retardsrox
Jan 27 2007, 08:41 AM
‘Why should Indians support Tibet?’, was the catchline for todays seminar where ‘2007: Year of Intensive support for Tibetan Cause’ was launched with a very modest function here at Shri Ram Centre, Auditorium in New Delhi. The event was jointly organized by India Tibet Friendship Society, Bharat Tibbat Salyog Manch, Himalayan Parivar and Himalayan Committee for Action on Tibet (HIMCAT). The function was attended by about 100 audiences.
Mr. Vijay Kranti, a prominent journalist and a long-time friend of Tibet was the moderator for the event. Shri Satya Prakash Malvivya being the chief guest, lit the lamp to inaugurate the function.
Dr. N.K. Trikha, National Convener, Core Group for Tibetan cause in his introductroy speech, announced that the year 2007 will be observed as the Year of Intensive Support for Tibetan Cause all over India.
The Seminar included eminent and renowned people like Prof. Brahma Challaney, strategic expert, Prof. V.K. Malhotra (BJP), deputy leader of the Opposition (Lok Sabha), S.P. Malviya, Congress leader and former Union Minister, JDU General Secretary K.C. Tyagi, RJD MP Vijay Krishna, JNU Prof. Anand Kumar and Lama Choesphel Zotpa, member-National Commision for Minorities.
The Kalon for Information and International Relations, Tempa Tsering, who is also the representative of His Holiness the Dalai Lama at New Delhi, addressed the gathering and put forward his point of view. He said, ‘Our demand has been a Genuine Autonomy for Tibet and this approach has remain very consistent so far. And we pursue to stick on to this middle way path proposed by His Holiness the Dalai Lama. But if the issue of Tibet is not resolved within the lifetime of Dalai Lama, then this is very sad and unfortunate’.
He also appealed to the people present at the seminar to make a unified commitment to move forward with the Tibetan issue.
Various print materials such as pamphlets, booklets and notes etc were distributed to the audience which highlighted and emphasized on the need for India to support Tibet. Besides this, a special poster and sticker of ‘Year 2007: Intensive support to Tibetan Cause’ was launched by the chief guest Shri Satya Prakash Malvivya, Congress leader and former Union Minister.
Mr. Brahma Chellaney, the key speaker for the Seminar, opened his speech by saying that supporting Tibet would not be a favour to the Tibetans but India must support Tibet for its own Interest. Calling China’s major efforts to colonize Tibet with the recent completion of Lhasa-Golmud Railway project, Mr. Chellaney said that Chinese have failed to win over Tibetans and Tibet very much remains an alive issue.
He also emphasized that Tibet is Asia’s major water reservoir and almost all the Asian counrties are dependent on Tibet for water. Therefore Government of India ought to support the Tibetan cause in a very subtle and measured way to revive the Tibet’s issue.
Other panelists also presented their views and thoughts in support of Tibetan cause. Eventually, the function ended on a very positive and encouraging note. Shri. Surendra Kumar, Core group member in conclusion thanked the speakers for their informed and inspiring speeches for remarkably highlighting the reasons for suppoting Tibet.
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?ar...ay&id=15457
gomeny
Jan 27 2007, 07:26 PM
i totally agree with this. Nehru was a coward for not helping our brothers in sisters in Tibet. I keep hearing that a lot of the younger generation is turning away for the Dali Lama and embracing militantacy?
AnAmericanInAsia
Jan 28 2007, 12:33 AM
God Bless India for everything they have done for the Tibetans, and for not handing Aranuchal Pradesh back over to the Chinese.
I think it is very important that Tibet stays an active issue in the global fight for social justice.
Too often people dismiss Tibet as a lost cause, and that makes me very sad.
With each passing year the Chinese stranglehold over Tibet becomes more and more severe. We cannot simply stand back and let this happen. We need to send a message to China that the world will not stand for their cultural genocide, for their aggression, and for their misplaced ideas of "development' and "progress".
I hope that, as the world turns its eyes to China on the eve of the Olympics, we can demonstrate to the world the terrible things that Chinese rule has done to Tibet (and Xinjiang!!)
retardsrox
Jan 28 2007, 01:53 AM
xingjians is almost dead... you know it...
but you know i believe that there is a deeper meaning to why inidia is helping Tibet. don't get offended
1. they won't china to be too big
2. US also dosen't want china to be big and US also gives a lot of financial aid to india and this could be their doing as well
Tenjikuronin
Jan 28 2007, 10:15 AM
QUOTE(retardsrox @ Jan 27 2007, 10:53 PM)

2. US also dosen't want china to be big and US also gives a lot of financial aid to india and this could be their doing as well
US hardly gives India anything.
ACMILAN1983
Jan 28 2007, 10:20 AM
Isn't it Japan that gives India the most aid?
Tenjikuronin
Jan 28 2007, 02:25 PM
QUOTE(ACMILAN1983 @ Jan 28 2007, 07:20 AM)

Isn't it Japan that gives India the most aid?
Yeah, Japan does give a lot through the private sector. Maruti Suzuki, Swaraj Mazda, etc. are all joint Indo-Japanese ventures (supported by an agreement between the companies and the Indian Government).
jiggyiggy
Jan 28 2007, 02:31 PM
Dude man India is hardcore, after the Tsunami the gov't was like yeah our east coast just got wiped out, but fu-k no we don't want no aid.
kkdkckrl
Jan 28 2007, 04:26 PM
QUOTE(Tenjikuronin @ Jan 28 2007, 02:25 PM)

Yeah, Japan does give a lot through the private sector. Maruti Suzuki, Swaraj Mazda, etc. are all joint Indo-Japanese ventures (supported by an agreement between the companies and the Indian Government).
Japan gives loans, That is hardly AID! Japanese ppl want that money back! How the hell is it AID?
jiggyiggy
Jan 28 2007, 06:25 PM
those greedy fu-ks.
Tenjikuronin
Jan 28 2007, 08:03 PM
QUOTE(kkdkckrl @ Jan 28 2007, 01:26 PM)

Japan gives loans, That is hardly AID! Japanese ppl want that money back! How the hell is it AID?
Loans are a seperate thing. I was talking about joint ventures between the Indian Government and Japanese companies.
Most "aid" that comes into India comes in the form of investment more than it does through charity.
retardsrox
Jan 29 2007, 11:07 AM
because japan and US also have close ties... and Japan also hates china to be big as they will lose their power in the region....
Jhangora
Jan 30 2007, 02:22 AM
retardsrox
Jan 30 2007, 08:01 AM
hopefully tibet will be free and tibet will own a huge debt to india (not in money but fro giving them freedom) and both of them will work hard to become economically powerful
Jhangora
Jan 30 2007, 08:33 AM
retardsrox
Jan 30 2007, 09:35 AM
tibet was actually larger than that but it became smaller after china began to throw parts of tibet into their own territory
aaaw
Jan 30 2007, 09:38 AM
QUOTE(retardsrox @ Jan 29 2007, 11:07 AM)

because japan and US also have close ties... and Japan also hates china to be big as they will lose their power in the region....
It is you who hate China because you got beat up by some scrawing Chinese kid in grade 5 right Chol?
retardsrox
Jan 30 2007, 11:05 AM
why grade five? and i was never beaten by them i did not really talk to them either
moobie
Jan 30 2007, 06:08 PM
QUOTE
Too often people dismiss Tibet as a lost cause, and that makes me very sad.
It is a lost cause. You will never wrest Tibet out of China's iron grip; but people can hope to see them treat Tibet better and perhaps give it some autonomy in 20+ years.
It is pretty hypocritical for anyone from Europe or America to be overly critical without recognizing their own past sins. Texas anyone? British Empire? But yes two wrongs don't make a right, to further overuse an aphorism. China isn't going to bow down unless you get the support of the government and frankly, they're more preoccupied with trade deficits and probably couldn't care less about expansionism (as they're doing it themselves).
What I mean to say is China will NEVER reconcile ANYTHING with Americans with this kind of tone because face it, it's in America's best interest that China remains in the status quo; i.e lead by despotic communists who abrade their own soft power appeal. That, and China's leaders are adept at regurgitating reactionary propaganda.
I estimate that Students for a Free Tibet will accomplish getting China to vomit up some propaganda, and nothing else. China hates "revolutionaries". If you were there they'd probably drive a tank over your head.
Jhangora
Jan 31 2007, 09:10 AM
retardsrox
Jan 31 2007, 10:51 AM
good! you can see how much tibetian land they have thrown into china's teritories in that map
jiggyiggy
Jan 31 2007, 11:52 AM
I think Islam would suit the Tibetans better.
retardsrox
Feb 1 2007, 06:05 AM
tibet is unique for their buddism...
FIVB
Feb 1 2007, 09:52 AM
Then
Chinese should support Pakistan on Kashmir problem
Unity_Asia
Feb 1 2007, 10:24 AM
Deleted.
ktchong
Feb 1 2007, 10:29 AM
Huh? India wants to go to war with China over Tibet?
FIVB
Feb 1 2007, 10:50 AM
QUOTE(Unity_Asia @ Feb 1 2007, 11:24 PM)

I agree. That's why India should officially stay the fuk out of Chinese business. Seriously, these are the things that can destabilize an entire region. Of course, nothing wrong with the Indian people themselves supporting Tibet, like they have been for the past little while (I kinda support Tibet as well, actually). Its just that if the Indian government officially takes a stance, bad things can happen.
China has no choice
Make alliance with Pakistan against India and Israel
ACMILAN1983
Feb 1 2007, 11:32 AM
QUOTE(Unity_Asia @ Feb 1 2007, 03:24 PM)

I agree. That's why India should officially stay the fuk out of Chinese business. Seriously, these are the things that can destabilize an entire region. Of course, nothing wrong with the Indian people themselves supporting Tibet, like they have been for the past little while (I kinda support Tibet as well, actually). Its just that if the Indian government officially takes a stance, bad things can happen.
the Indian government already acknowledged Tibet as a part of China around 5 decades ago.
Tenjikuronin
Feb 1 2007, 11:42 AM
QUOTE(FIVB @ Feb 1 2007, 06:52 AM)

Then
Chinese should support Pakistan on Kashmir problem

In case you haven't noticed, China is already doing that. Maybe China needs to mind its own business and stick to Tibet rather than meddling in Kashmir.
froglee
Feb 1 2007, 07:26 PM
QUOTE(Tenjikuronin @ Feb 1 2007, 11:42 AM)

In case you haven't noticed, China is already doing that. Maybe China needs to mind its own business and stick to Tibet rather than meddling in Kashmir.
Lol, does China need India's approval to support Pakistan? And Tibet is already part of China. The Kasgmir issue is more like an international affair, instead of an domestic one.
Tenjikuronin
Feb 1 2007, 10:13 PM
QUOTE(froglee @ Feb 1 2007, 04:26 PM)

Lol, does China need India's approval to support Pakistan? And Tibet is already part of China. The Kasgmir issue is more like an international affair, instead of an domestic one.
Actually, no. Kashmir is a domestic affair of India.
Anyways, time to get this thread back on track otherwise I'm going to close it.
froglee
Feb 2 2007, 02:38 AM
QUOTE(Tenjikuronin @ Feb 1 2007, 10:13 PM)

Actually, no. Kashmir is a domestic affair of India.
Anyways, time to get this thread back on track otherwise I'm going to close it.
Actually, BOTH Pakistan and India claim Kashmir, so it is not a domestic issue. And don't close a thread when you start losing an argument.
Tenjikuronin
Feb 2 2007, 03:34 AM
QUOTE(froglee @ Feb 1 2007, 11:38 PM)

Actually, BOTH Pakistan and India claim Kashmir, so it is not a domestic issue. And don't close a thread when you start losing an argument.
Who's losing an argument?......especially when there is no argument. Kashmir is an Indian state, therefore it is a domestic issues. Plain and simple.
However, this thread is about Tibet. Therefore, I am attempting to bring the conversation back on the original topic. If you would like to discuss Kashmir further, please create a new topic.
retardsrox
Feb 2 2007, 05:43 AM
so fun to see people turning an argument into another argument... ^^ lol
would tibet ever be independent, i mean east timor did get independence
ACMILAN1983
Feb 2 2007, 06:27 AM
I want NW Student to take note of the posts by froglee, as he's posting bs on India chat, outside of Chinese chat!
Kashmir is technically an Indian state, which Pakistan lays claims on. It is NOT an International issue, but a domestic one as Tenjikuronin said. Maharaja Hari Singh, ruler of Kashmir in 1947 signed the Instrument of Accession, a legal document which gives control of Jammu and Kashmir princely state (includes Jammu, Kashmir, Northern Areas, Ladakh and Aksai Chin) to the government of India.
There are 2 clear trolls in here, FIVB and Froglee, both of which are have made claims which are incorrect, either in this thread or previously in India chat.
So to NW Student, seeing as we discussed this matter in the past, for it to end with you saying that Froglee keeps his trolling confined to Chinese chat, here is a clear example otherwise. Note, his inane argument has not gone unnoticed or has been ignored either, as both Tenjikuronin and I have argued against it.
As for the Tibet argument, seeing as that's supposed to be the topic here, every thread about Tibet on this forum generally seems to ignore the Tibetans, their wishes and the effect all this has on them.
Jhangora
Feb 2 2007, 07:05 AM
retardsrox
Feb 2 2007, 11:40 AM
erm Jhangora, you only post pictures but never talk -_-"'
Bhusam
Feb 2 2007, 12:29 PM

China has incorporated the province of Qinghai & Sichuan (Orange/Red), claimed by the Tibetan Government in Exile as a whole historic Tibet, into PRC although the region has historically been inhabited by the Tibetans.
I thank the Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch and Himalaya Parivar for their support of the Tibetan cause as it is significant on the Indian national security to keep Tibet as a buffer zone. This is going in the right direction & Tibet still is, as they see it, an active thriving cause & not a lost one. Everything changes, only time will tell & we Tibetans are always optimistic about finding our solution. Thanks!
Titanium
Feb 2 2007, 02:46 PM
Tibetan independence talk is truly getting out of hand. Which one is more reminsicent of reality? Talking behind a keyboard vs. building a railway in real life?
Jagger
Feb 2 2007, 06:21 PM
QUOTE(ACMILAN1983 @ Feb 2 2007, 11:27 AM)

Kashmir is technically an Indian state, which Pakistan lays claims on. It is NOT an International issue, but a domestic one as Tenjikuronin said. Maharaja Hari Singh, ruler of Kashmir in 1947 signed the Instrument of Accession, a legal document which gives control of Jammu and Kashmir princely state (includes Jammu, Kashmir, Northern Areas, Ladakh and Aksai Chin) to the government of India.
Although I rarely ever agree with froglee, he does have a point here. Azad Kashmir and Northern Areas are under Pakistani control, while Aksai Chin is under Chinese control, hence the Kashmir issue is a semi-international affair.
froglee
Feb 2 2007, 07:37 PM
QUOTE(ACMILAN1983 @ Feb 2 2007, 06:27 AM)

.
There are 2 clear trolls in here, FIVB and Froglee, both of which are have made claims which are incorrect, either in this thread or previously in India chat.
.
Wow, just because I have a different opinion here, then I am considered a troll? It is interesting you label all the Chinese posters on this thread as trolls. So I guess the Indian posters on Chinese chats are trolls too?
QUOTE(Tenjikuronin @ Feb 2 2007, 03:34 AM)

Who's losing an argument?......especially when there is no argument. Kashmir is an Indian state, therefore it is a domestic issues. Plain and simple.
However, this thread is about Tibet. Therefore, I am attempting to bring the conversation back on the original topic. If you would like to discuss Kashmir further, please create a new topic.
Lol, I am NOT the one who start the Kashmir debate. And the argument has already started. But, heck, you are a powerful mod on this forum. What can I do?
Jhangora
Feb 3 2007, 01:36 AM
QUOTE(retardsrox @ Feb 3 2007, 01:40 AM)

erm Jhangora, you only post pictures but never talk -_-"'
I support full freedom and sovereignity for Tibet.Pictures are for people who don't know about Tibet.
Tibetan Women : Oppression and Discription in Occupied Tibet
retardsrox
Feb 3 2007, 05:00 AM
you know chinese people hate to hear people taking about free tibet. i don't understand why when they hate tibetans so much they still won't let them go. most likely because of the natural resources in tibet
badguy2000
Feb 3 2007, 09:50 AM
face the reality.
China is becoming more and more powerful.
unless china were to collapse like USSR,tibet has no chance to get independence.
retardsrox
Feb 3 2007, 10:10 AM
yeah true.. because indonesia was poor thats why timor could get independence, but you know, humans live on because they have hope
ACMILAN1983
Feb 3 2007, 11:27 AM
QUOTE(Jagger @ Feb 2 2007, 11:21 PM)

Although I rarely ever agree with froglee, he does have a point here. Azad Kashmir and Northern Areas are under Pakistani control, while Aksai Chin is under Chinese control, hence the Kashmir issue is a semi-international affair.
You do have a point, but officially that isn't really the case (as technically, it was supposed to be India controlled). Pakistan's claim to Kashmir doesn't hold firmly, and what control they have up until now has been through force. The part that is under Chinese control is also due to Pakistan's control (rather than China actually claiming it).
I would say to a very small degree it's possible to call it an International affair, but overall I'd still call it a domestic affair due to the technicalities. But this thread isn't about Kashmir, and it's a complicated topic I don't like to go into detail over unless I really have to.
QUOTE(froglee @ Feb 3 2007, 12:37 AM)

Wow, just because I have a different opinion here, then I am considered a troll? It is interesting you label all the Chinese posters on this thread as trolls. So I guess the Indian posters on Chinese chats are trolls too?
You're not a troll because of your different opinion. You're a troll because pretty much every post you make is an insult to Indians or lies (and you're well aware of this). Also, I only called you and FIVB trolls, I don't remember ktchong, Titanium or others who have posted in this thread trolls, and as far as I'm aware, they're also Chinese. If you want to stop being called a troll, stop making offensive posts to Indians.
retardsrox
Feb 7 2007, 08:24 AM
hmm i see, there's racism in this forum
Jhangora
Feb 9 2007, 09:35 AM
retardsrox
Feb 9 2007, 10:39 AM
gomeny
Feb 9 2007, 03:04 PM
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