QUOTE(MILTON @ Nov 29 2007, 07:47 PM) [snapback]3337999[/snapback]
how much do you hate/envy me? really please just let it out, because your "e-stalking" is really getting pathetic
HAHA you wish
really your arrogant precedes you 
Full Version: Spratley Islands
HAHA you wish
really your arrogant precedes you
We should ask the Americans to back to their bases, fu-king crap, why did we tell them to leave in the first place, they friggin patrolled the area for FREE now we have to pay with money we dont have...
bercause we will never learn to take care of ourselves if we continue look at other countries for help.
QUOTE(*promo @ Jan 6 2008, 08:52 AM) [snapback]3404945[/snapback]
bercause we will never learn to take care of ourselves if we continue look at other countries for help.
So you are saying that Korea, Japan and ect cant take care of themselves?
Theres no reason to be unrealistic, we dont have the money to protect ourselves in the sad event of a battle..
QUOTE(Masipag @ Jan 5 2008, 08:42 PM) [snapback]3405045[/snapback]
So you are saying that Korea, Japan and ect cant take care of themselves?
Theres no reason to be unrealistic, we dont have the money to protect ourselves in the sad event of a battle..
Theres no reason to be unrealistic, we dont have the money to protect ourselves in the sad event of a battle..
I don't care about the Spratley's. It's incredible dumb to fight over a resource that could only do more harm than good. Instead of buying Navy ships to patrol these waters, we should just invest in the future of our country in developing clean power producing technology. It's less bloody, and if China extracts the oil, they'll pollute their own country with it. We should suck it up, stop trying to find the easy way to get rich by getting that oil - its a lost cause and an extremely futile and costly endevour. Oil is not the answer to our problems.
QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Jan 9 2008, 01:06 AM) [snapback]3413216[/snapback]
I don't care about the Spratley's. It's incredible dumb to fight over a resource that could only do more harm than good. Instead of buying Navy ships to patrol these waters, we should just invest in the future of our country in developing clean power producing technology. It's less bloody, and if China extracts the oil, they'll pollute their own country with it. We should suck it up, stop trying to find the easy way to get rich by getting that oil - its a lost cause and an extremely futile and costly endevour. Oil is not the answer to our problems.
A true example of a Filipino being passive.
It's no wonder foreigners come to the Philippines and exploit everything they get their hands on....
QUOTE(sitataymo @ Jan 9 2008, 06:35 AM) [snapback]3413634[/snapback]
A true example of a Filipino being passive.
It's no wonder foreigners come to the Philippines and exploit everything they get their hands on....
It's no wonder foreigners come to the Philippines and exploit everything they get their hands on....
I don't understand you. Explain to me why I or people like me are the reason why our country is being exploited? I may be just an idiot but I can't seem to string your insult to relate with my post. What does believing in Alternate Energy have to do with being a sell out? Maybe I just don't believe in Blood for Oil.
Honestly man, if you wish to be taken seriously, better you not insult others by challenging their patriotism or intelligence, its rather inconsiderate and ill-mannered.
i think we should lobby the congress to enact a
legislation that will hasten the AFP modernization
law.
a strong foreign policy esp with AUSTRALIA, VIETNAM
INDONESIA, USA, INDIA, JAPAN and the latino countries
should be enforced.
without a doubt CHINA would be a very strong country in
the near future but we can too, all we have to do is
pay our due to the constitution, strong nationalism
and to adhere to the rule of law.
legislation that will hasten the AFP modernization
law.
a strong foreign policy esp with AUSTRALIA, VIETNAM
INDONESIA, USA, INDIA, JAPAN and the latino countries
should be enforced.
without a doubt CHINA would be a very strong country in
the near future but we can too, all we have to do is
pay our due to the constitution, strong nationalism
and to adhere to the rule of law.
sometimes you have to stand up to people who want to claim your territory for themselves.
hope the philippines solidify their presence on these islands.
hope the philippines solidify their presence on these islands.
QUOTE(alibata @ Jan 20 2008, 04:32 PM) [snapback]3437611[/snapback]
i think we should lobby the congress to enact a
legislation that will hasten the AFP modernization
law.
a strong foreign policy esp with AUSTRALIA, VIETNAM
INDONESIA, USA, INDIA, JAPAN and the latino countries
should be enforced.
without a doubt CHINA would be a very strong country in
the near future but we can too, all we have to do is
pay our due to the constitution, strong nationalism
and to adhere to the rule of law.
legislation that will hasten the AFP modernization
law.
a strong foreign policy esp with AUSTRALIA, VIETNAM
INDONESIA, USA, INDIA, JAPAN and the latino countries
should be enforced.
without a doubt CHINA would be a very strong country in
the near future but we can too, all we have to do is
pay our due to the constitution, strong nationalism
and to adhere to the rule of law.
A corrupt constitution and misguided nationalism is what you want to focus on? haha
QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Jan 9 2008, 11:57 AM) [snapback]3413980[/snapback]
I don't understand you. Explain to me why I or people like me are the reason why our country is being exploited? I may be just an idiot but I can't seem to string your insult to relate with my post. What does believing in Alternate Energy have to do with being a sell out? Maybe I just don't believe in Blood for Oil.
Honestly man, if you wish to be taken seriously, better you not insult others by challenging their patriotism or intelligence, its rather inconsiderate and ill-mannered.
Honestly man, if you wish to be taken seriously, better you not insult others by challenging their patriotism or intelligence, its rather inconsiderate and ill-mannered.
It's your passive nature to stand by and watch only to complain about it later on in the future when the opportunity was there in the first place.
We both know that natural resources are limited in the Philippines, we both know that it's there in OUR backyard, we
both accept that the Philippines does not have ability to defend itself against a powerhouse yet it has the backing of the US.
Put all that together, and it's obvious that we can make a stand for what this country needs and not to be passive in the face of aggression.
Why must Filipinos stand to the side and watch helplessly as we are overtaken by others?
Don'y you believe in the future that we have to safeguard for ourselves as well as our posterity?
If not now, when?
QUOTE(sitataymo @ Jan 20 2008, 11:14 PM) [snapback]3439429[/snapback]
It's your passive nature to stand by and watch only to complain about it later on in the future when the opportunity was there in the first place.
We both know that natural resources are limited in the Philippines, we both know that it's there in OUR backyard, we
both accept that the Philippines does not have ability to defend itself against a powerhouse yet it has the backing of the US.
Put all that together, and it's obvious that we can make a stand for what this country needs and not to be passive in the face of aggression.
Why must Filipinos stand to the side and watch helplessly as we are overtaken by others?
Don'y you believe in the future that we have to safeguard for ourselves as well as our posterity?
If not now, when?
We both know that natural resources are limited in the Philippines, we both know that it's there in OUR backyard, we
both accept that the Philippines does not have ability to defend itself against a powerhouse yet it has the backing of the US.
Put all that together, and it's obvious that we can make a stand for what this country needs and not to be passive in the face of aggression.
Why must Filipinos stand to the side and watch helplessly as we are overtaken by others?
Don'y you believe in the future that we have to safeguard for ourselves as well as our posterity?
If not now, when?
I never complain, I act. I don't believe in agressive defiance when more productive measures are available.
I believe we should stand up for ourselves by being the best that we can be. In relation to this topic, we should invest in alternative energy to safe guard our future. I believe in protecting what is ours which is the Kalayaan Islands, however, the Spratleys are not worth the trouble of war. I'm not afraid of the Chinese, I don't believe Oil is worth killing for especially in the Spratleys, so our best strategy should be long term.
QUOTE(Torete_ako_sa_yo @ Jan 21 2008, 12:32 AM) [snapback]3439642[/snapback]
I never complain, I act. I don't believe in agressive defiance when more productive measures are available.
I believe we should stand up for ourselves by being the best that we can be. In relation to this topic, we should invest in alternative energy to safe guard our future. I believe in protecting what is ours which is the Kalayaan Islands, however, the Spratleys are not worth the trouble of war. I'm not afraid of the Chinese, I don't believe Oil is worth killing for especially in the Spratleys, so our best strategy should be long term.
I believe we should stand up for ourselves by being the best that we can be. In relation to this topic, we should invest in alternative energy to safe guard our future. I believe in protecting what is ours which is the Kalayaan Islands, however, the Spratleys are not worth the trouble of war. I'm not afraid of the Chinese, I don't believe Oil is worth killing for especially in the Spratleys, so our best strategy should be long term.
It doesn't have to be war because if the Chinese were to choose that option, the US would be there to counter them just as what the US is doing for Korea, Japan and Taiwan. This is the leverage that the Philippines enjoys but ironically some people believe that the US do not support the Philippines. There are more pros than cons when we talk about the US-Philippine relation but that is another matter.
The issue here is that the Philippines must show itself when in the face of aggression. The Spratleys is contested by nations other than China but not one of those nations will back down on their claim.
Why should the Philippines be the one to back down?
Like i mentioned, not one of those nations will want to go to war, but to back down would show that we can't back up our claims as a nation to anything and this will haunt us in diplomatic talks with others if we were to turn tail now.
QUOTE(Masipag @ Jan 20 2008, 02:50 PM) [snapback]3438391[/snapback]
A corrupt constitution and misguided nationalism is what you want to focus on? haha
i said strong not misguided.
what do you mean when you wrote this "corrupt constitution"
QUOTE(alibata @ Jan 22 2008, 02:57 PM) [snapback]3441965[/snapback]
i said strong not misguided.
what do you mean when you wrote this "corrupt constitution"
what do you mean when you wrote this "corrupt constitution"
We have nationalism, and even strong at many, but its misguided!
Read our constitution, its your duty as a filipino to at least know some basics about it!
When you are done, you will see what i meant.. (at least if your a man after my head)
how on earth our constitution corrupt when it
guides validates all laws in our country. a law can
can be nulled if unconstitutional. who says its uncontitutional/
corrupt ciempre ang ating constitution. so pano nasabing corrupt ang
konstitusyon natin.our constitution came in effect after it was
supported by our great leaders and the people and branding
it as corrupt is ingrato and he who says this should be deported
to pluto.
guides validates all laws in our country. a law can
can be nulled if unconstitutional. who says its uncontitutional/
corrupt ciempre ang ating constitution. so pano nasabing corrupt ang
konstitusyon natin.our constitution came in effect after it was
supported by our great leaders and the people and branding
it as corrupt is ingrato and he who says this should be deported
to pluto.
Let's not include Sabah in this matter :P Sabah is a totally different case than Spratley Islands.
Differences
Sabah claim by the Philippines is historical and a historical fact, even the United Kingdom admitted and re-confirmed that Sabah is rightfully owned by the Sultan of Sulu, which is by today's Philippine constitution goes to the Philippines itself (with the Sultan of Sulu having a jurisdiction).
Sabah claim by the Federation of Malaysia is about the plebiscite Sabah did if they will join the Federation of Malaysia (which is still to be founded) or not. Majority voted to join the soon-to-be Federation of Malaysia.
United Nations stand... both countries must file a formal complaint to the ICJ (International Court of Justice) and let the ICJ decide. Until not, nothing happened.
ASEAN Decision? Non-Interference as usual, let them have a war, the other ASEANs will not interfere (kinda stupid).
Spratley claims on the other hand are based on the UN Law on Maritime Territories. I do not know the details already but as per that UN Law, there is a certain nautical miles borders of countries stretches to the open sea. Spratley Islands happens to fall into the territories of the following:
China
Philippines
Taiwan
Viet Nam
Malaysia
And because Spratley have oil reserves, everyone suddenly wants a piece of it. The countries that are very active with their claims in the following order:
1) Philippines
2) China
3) Viet Nam
Now there's a problem. Philippines and China are getting closer and closer every quarter (the NBN fiasco is not even a reason for the two countries to separate ways). China and Viet Nam are of course close together (China influenced and introduced Communism in North Viet Nam during the Viet Nam war and won). Viet Nam and Philippines are both members of the ASEAN and ever since have been close friends (Viet Nam war; Viet Nam refugees; etc.)
Malaysia is not that active because they have a Sabah issue to concentrate on. If the Philippines won over Sabah (and we are getting closer to achieving that - hence support the dam* charter change to solidify our stand), Malaysia will lose oil and a portion of its National GDP. BUT I DOUBT the United Nations will allow that since there will be mass exodus if that happens. So in the end, Malaysia will be obliged to pay the Philippines and the Sultan of Sulu all payments due to us, starting from centuries ago to the present with the appropriate currency fluctuation adjustments.
Of course Malaysia will not accept that. In the end, by the time this Sabah issue is settled, I'm sure ASEAN already achieved "Union" status similar to the European Union, African Union, and the South American Union.
IF not, I'm sure the ASEAN already have a One Visa policy and/or an Open-Border policy within Asean members. PLUS, our economies by that time would have been surely integrated already (though still have different currencies probably). So by then, no one cares if Sabah is under the Philippines or Malaysia because any Asean Citizen can go there anytime s/he wants to :p
So support the ASEAN Community!!
Visit http://aseanclan.blogspot.com to show your support! SPREAD THE LOVE!
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Differences
Sabah claim by the Philippines is historical and a historical fact, even the United Kingdom admitted and re-confirmed that Sabah is rightfully owned by the Sultan of Sulu, which is by today's Philippine constitution goes to the Philippines itself (with the Sultan of Sulu having a jurisdiction).
Sabah claim by the Federation of Malaysia is about the plebiscite Sabah did if they will join the Federation of Malaysia (which is still to be founded) or not. Majority voted to join the soon-to-be Federation of Malaysia.
United Nations stand... both countries must file a formal complaint to the ICJ (International Court of Justice) and let the ICJ decide. Until not, nothing happened.
ASEAN Decision? Non-Interference as usual, let them have a war, the other ASEANs will not interfere (kinda stupid).
Spratley claims on the other hand are based on the UN Law on Maritime Territories. I do not know the details already but as per that UN Law, there is a certain nautical miles borders of countries stretches to the open sea. Spratley Islands happens to fall into the territories of the following:
China
Philippines
Taiwan
Viet Nam
Malaysia
And because Spratley have oil reserves, everyone suddenly wants a piece of it. The countries that are very active with their claims in the following order:
1) Philippines
2) China
3) Viet Nam
Now there's a problem. Philippines and China are getting closer and closer every quarter (the NBN fiasco is not even a reason for the two countries to separate ways). China and Viet Nam are of course close together (China influenced and introduced Communism in North Viet Nam during the Viet Nam war and won). Viet Nam and Philippines are both members of the ASEAN and ever since have been close friends (Viet Nam war; Viet Nam refugees; etc.)
Malaysia is not that active because they have a Sabah issue to concentrate on. If the Philippines won over Sabah (and we are getting closer to achieving that - hence support the dam* charter change to solidify our stand), Malaysia will lose oil and a portion of its National GDP. BUT I DOUBT the United Nations will allow that since there will be mass exodus if that happens. So in the end, Malaysia will be obliged to pay the Philippines and the Sultan of Sulu all payments due to us, starting from centuries ago to the present with the appropriate currency fluctuation adjustments.
Of course Malaysia will not accept that. In the end, by the time this Sabah issue is settled, I'm sure ASEAN already achieved "Union" status similar to the European Union, African Union, and the South American Union.
IF not, I'm sure the ASEAN already have a One Visa policy and/or an Open-Border policy within Asean members. PLUS, our economies by that time would have been surely integrated already (though still have different currencies probably). So by then, no one cares if Sabah is under the Philippines or Malaysia because any Asean Citizen can go there anytime s/he wants to :p
So support the ASEAN Community!!
Visit http://aseanclan.blogspot.com to show your support! SPREAD THE LOVE!
One Community - ASEAN!
i remember this story
Southwest Cay InvasionSouthwest Cay Invasion
Date 1975
Location Southwest Cay
Result Vietnamese Capture of Southwest Cay
Belligerents
Philippines South Vietnam North Vietnam later as Vietnam (unified)
Southwest Cay, known as Pugad island in the Philippines, as (南子岛) Nanzi Dao in China and as Đảo Song Tử Ty in Vietnam, is an island that belongs to the Spratly chain. It was occupied by Philippine forces up to 1975 only when South Vietnam forces were able to invade the island. [7]
Southwest Cay is in the northern edge of the Spratly chain. It is within North Danger Reef which also contains the Philippine-occupied Northeast Cay (Parola Island), Vietnamese-occupied South Reef and unoccupied North Reef. Southwest Cay and Northeast Cay are just 1.75 miles (2.82 km) away from each other. Each island can actually see the other within their respective horizons.
The invasion took place when all the Philippine soldiers guarding the island of Pugad left to attend to the birthday party of their commanding officer who is based in nearby Parola Island. The storm that day is also believed to have persuaded all the soldiers to regroup temporarily in Parola island. A report also came out saying that South Vietnamese officials managed to send Vietnamese prostitutes to the birthday party to lure the Filipino soldiers guarding Pugad Island. It was said to be a "present" to the Philippine commander for his birthday and as a move of South Vietnamese forces to befriend all Filipino soldiers guarding the Spratlys. Philippine soldiers did not expect that South Vietnam will do a foul play since both Philippines and South Vietnam, together with United States, are allies in the Vietnam War. This tactic is believed to be the reason behind on why South Vietnamese forces knew that the Filipino soldiers left the island, an action that is usually carried confidentially.
After the party and after the weather cleared out, the returning soldiers were surprised that a company of South Vietnamese soldiers are already in the island. The South Vietnamese flag replaced the Philippine flag flying in the pole created by Philippine soldiers themselves. The soldiers returned to Parola immediately for fear that Parola is the next target. After higher-ups of the Philippines were informed about the situation, they instructed the troops based in Parola and Pagasa to stay on red alert status. For the following mornings, the only thing the Filipino soldiers can do in Parola is to "curse" while South Vietnamese sang their national anthem. Malacaang officials, who did not want to compromise the alliance while Vietnam War is still being fought, decided to remain silent.
Few months later, the recently formed unified Vietnam (with the North Vietnam successfully invaded South Vietnam) decided to remove all remaining South Vietnamese troops in Spratlys and establish a military control among the features. It was reported that dozens of South Vietnamese soldiers in Pugad Island swam all the way to Parola just to avoid being captured by North Vietnamese forces. It is then when Malacaang officials, headed by President Ferdinand Marcos, discussed on how the Philippines can reclaim the island. It had been apparent that most of the officials (who treat the communists as a threat to the Philippine national security) want to attack Pugad to reclaim it. However, after an intelligence report came stating that the unified Vietnam has already built a huge concrete garrison within a few weeks, the officials dropped the plan and tried to resolve the issue diplomatically. However, this approach eventually died along the process making Pugad a Vietnamese-occupied island up to this day.
damn. we should have bombed those commies..........
Southwest Cay InvasionSouthwest Cay Invasion
Date 1975
Location Southwest Cay
Result Vietnamese Capture of Southwest Cay
Belligerents
Philippines South Vietnam North Vietnam later as Vietnam (unified)
Southwest Cay, known as Pugad island in the Philippines, as (南子岛) Nanzi Dao in China and as Đảo Song Tử Ty in Vietnam, is an island that belongs to the Spratly chain. It was occupied by Philippine forces up to 1975 only when South Vietnam forces were able to invade the island. [7]
Southwest Cay is in the northern edge of the Spratly chain. It is within North Danger Reef which also contains the Philippine-occupied Northeast Cay (Parola Island), Vietnamese-occupied South Reef and unoccupied North Reef. Southwest Cay and Northeast Cay are just 1.75 miles (2.82 km) away from each other. Each island can actually see the other within their respective horizons.
The invasion took place when all the Philippine soldiers guarding the island of Pugad left to attend to the birthday party of their commanding officer who is based in nearby Parola Island. The storm that day is also believed to have persuaded all the soldiers to regroup temporarily in Parola island. A report also came out saying that South Vietnamese officials managed to send Vietnamese prostitutes to the birthday party to lure the Filipino soldiers guarding Pugad Island. It was said to be a "present" to the Philippine commander for his birthday and as a move of South Vietnamese forces to befriend all Filipino soldiers guarding the Spratlys. Philippine soldiers did not expect that South Vietnam will do a foul play since both Philippines and South Vietnam, together with United States, are allies in the Vietnam War. This tactic is believed to be the reason behind on why South Vietnamese forces knew that the Filipino soldiers left the island, an action that is usually carried confidentially.
After the party and after the weather cleared out, the returning soldiers were surprised that a company of South Vietnamese soldiers are already in the island. The South Vietnamese flag replaced the Philippine flag flying in the pole created by Philippine soldiers themselves. The soldiers returned to Parola immediately for fear that Parola is the next target. After higher-ups of the Philippines were informed about the situation, they instructed the troops based in Parola and Pagasa to stay on red alert status. For the following mornings, the only thing the Filipino soldiers can do in Parola is to "curse" while South Vietnamese sang their national anthem. Malacaang officials, who did not want to compromise the alliance while Vietnam War is still being fought, decided to remain silent.
Few months later, the recently formed unified Vietnam (with the North Vietnam successfully invaded South Vietnam) decided to remove all remaining South Vietnamese troops in Spratlys and establish a military control among the features. It was reported that dozens of South Vietnamese soldiers in Pugad Island swam all the way to Parola just to avoid being captured by North Vietnamese forces. It is then when Malacaang officials, headed by President Ferdinand Marcos, discussed on how the Philippines can reclaim the island. It had been apparent that most of the officials (who treat the communists as a threat to the Philippine national security) want to attack Pugad to reclaim it. However, after an intelligence report came stating that the unified Vietnam has already built a huge concrete garrison within a few weeks, the officials dropped the plan and tried to resolve the issue diplomatically. However, this approach eventually died along the process making Pugad a Vietnamese-occupied island up to this day.
damn. we should have bombed those commies..........
it belongs to us and us alone!! grr 
Interesting read 
Santiago wont act on baseline bill
April 25, 2008 14:19:00
Maila Ager
INQUIRER.net
MANILA, Philippines -- Efforts to pass the baseline bill, which is intended to define the national territory, suffered another setback after Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago, who chairs the committee on foreign affairs, decided on Friday not to act on the proposed measure.
“In my case, since Im the chair of the committee, Im certainly not going to act on [the bill],” Santiago told reporters after a hearing on a resolution proposing a congressional committee on national territory.
“Thats [inaction] one way sometimes of killing a bill or I will simply give them [bills] the lowest priority,” she said.
On Monday, the House foreign affairs committee headed by Cebu Representative Antonio Cuenco agreed to defer approval on third and final reading of the Lower Houses version of the proposed legislation pending consultations with senators and the executive department.
House leaders, however, said they remain confident the bill, which seeks to include the disputed Spratlys Islands and Scarborough Shoal within the countrys baselines, will be passed before Congress adjourns on June 13.
Malacaang has suggested it wants the Kalayaan Islands Group, the part of the Spratlys claimed by the country, excluded from inclusion within the countrys baselines to maintain good relations with other claimants, including China, which has openly voiced its opposition to the baseline bills passage.
Under the United Nations on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), each state-member has to draw its baselines before May 2009.
However, after listening to experts invited by her committee to shed light on the issue, Santiago stressed the need for further study of the matter before they can consider the baseline bill.
Among the resource persons invited to attend the hearing on a joint resolution for the creation of a congressional commission on national territory were Professor Merlin Magallona of the University of the Philippines, National Mapping and Resource Information Authority administrator Diony Ventura, and Foreign Affairs undersecretary Rafael Seguis.
Magallona told the committee that acceding to the UNCLOS would degrade the “traditional function” of the countrys baselines, particularly on the issue of the “right of innocent passage by foreign vessels.”
At present, the right of innocent passage is allowed only within the territorial seas, which extend 12 nautical miles from the countrys baselines, but is strictly prohibited within the internal waters.
Acceding to the UNCLOS would open both bodies of water to innocent passage by foreign vessels.
After the hearing, Santiago contended it would be a violation of international law if the country insists on including the Spratlys within its baselines since the drawing of baselines has “never been an accepted method of acquiring authority.”
“There are other methods such as, for example, effective occupation -- thats the common [practice] today -- or discovery [or] conquest,” she said. “But [the] drawing of our archipelagic baselines is not [one] of them so, if we include this Kalayaan Group of Islands just by drawingarchipelagic baselines, we would already be violating international law.”
***********************************************************************************************************************************
Ms. Miriam Defensor-Santiago and Ms. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo are TRAITORS!
Both do not deserve their title of senator and president of the Philippines.
Elected officers by the people, FOR the INTEREST and GOOD of the people, should PERSUE the INTEREST and SOVEREIGNTY of the COUNTRY'S PEOPLE!!!
The citizens of the Philippines are CLAIMING the Kalayaan Islands and Scarborough Shoals FOR ITS BEST INTEREST & FOR THE PROTECTION OF IT'S SOVEREIGNTY !!!!!!!!
Ms. Miriam Defensor-Santiago and Ms. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo are more DEFENDING the INTEREST of China THAN of the Philippines and its countrymen !!!!
They are TRAITORS of the Philippines!!!!
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I am highly frustrated that filipinos NEVER fights for its own best interest and prefer to be a puppet of more richer and powerfull nations.
I am sick of it!!
We, filipinos, should be proud of ourselves rather than degrade ourselves.
We should fight for our brothers and sisters, but mostly for our HOME.
We should make our country one of the best and sovereign country in the world.
We should help enriche our homeland and stop back-stabbing our own countrymen.
Be PROUD Filipinos, for The Philippines is a home to be PROUD of !!!!
April 25, 2008 14:19:00
Maila Ager
INQUIRER.net
MANILA, Philippines -- Efforts to pass the baseline bill, which is intended to define the national territory, suffered another setback after Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago, who chairs the committee on foreign affairs, decided on Friday not to act on the proposed measure.
“In my case, since Im the chair of the committee, Im certainly not going to act on [the bill],” Santiago told reporters after a hearing on a resolution proposing a congressional committee on national territory.
“Thats [inaction] one way sometimes of killing a bill or I will simply give them [bills] the lowest priority,” she said.
On Monday, the House foreign affairs committee headed by Cebu Representative Antonio Cuenco agreed to defer approval on third and final reading of the Lower Houses version of the proposed legislation pending consultations with senators and the executive department.
House leaders, however, said they remain confident the bill, which seeks to include the disputed Spratlys Islands and Scarborough Shoal within the countrys baselines, will be passed before Congress adjourns on June 13.
Malacaang has suggested it wants the Kalayaan Islands Group, the part of the Spratlys claimed by the country, excluded from inclusion within the countrys baselines to maintain good relations with other claimants, including China, which has openly voiced its opposition to the baseline bills passage.
Under the United Nations on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), each state-member has to draw its baselines before May 2009.
However, after listening to experts invited by her committee to shed light on the issue, Santiago stressed the need for further study of the matter before they can consider the baseline bill.
Among the resource persons invited to attend the hearing on a joint resolution for the creation of a congressional commission on national territory were Professor Merlin Magallona of the University of the Philippines, National Mapping and Resource Information Authority administrator Diony Ventura, and Foreign Affairs undersecretary Rafael Seguis.
Magallona told the committee that acceding to the UNCLOS would degrade the “traditional function” of the countrys baselines, particularly on the issue of the “right of innocent passage by foreign vessels.”
At present, the right of innocent passage is allowed only within the territorial seas, which extend 12 nautical miles from the countrys baselines, but is strictly prohibited within the internal waters.
Acceding to the UNCLOS would open both bodies of water to innocent passage by foreign vessels.
After the hearing, Santiago contended it would be a violation of international law if the country insists on including the Spratlys within its baselines since the drawing of baselines has “never been an accepted method of acquiring authority.”
“There are other methods such as, for example, effective occupation -- thats the common [practice] today -- or discovery [or] conquest,” she said. “But [the] drawing of our archipelagic baselines is not [one] of them so, if we include this Kalayaan Group of Islands just by drawingarchipelagic baselines, we would already be violating international law.”
***********************************************************************************************************************************
Ms. Miriam Defensor-Santiago and Ms. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo are TRAITORS!
Both do not deserve their title of senator and president of the Philippines.
Elected officers by the people, FOR the INTEREST and GOOD of the people, should PERSUE the INTEREST and SOVEREIGNTY of the COUNTRY'S PEOPLE!!!
The citizens of the Philippines are CLAIMING the Kalayaan Islands and Scarborough Shoals FOR ITS BEST INTEREST & FOR THE PROTECTION OF IT'S SOVEREIGNTY !!!!!!!!
Ms. Miriam Defensor-Santiago and Ms. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo are more DEFENDING the INTEREST of China THAN of the Philippines and its countrymen !!!!
They are TRAITORS of the Philippines!!!!
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I am highly frustrated that filipinos NEVER fights for its own best interest and prefer to be a puppet of more richer and powerfull nations.
I am sick of it!!
We, filipinos, should be proud of ourselves rather than degrade ourselves.
We should fight for our brothers and sisters, but mostly for our HOME.
We should make our country one of the best and sovereign country in the world.
We should help enriche our homeland and stop back-stabbing our own countrymen.
Be PROUD Filipinos, for The Philippines is a home to be PROUD of !!!!
^^^^ kung kaw ba naman ang nasa posisyon nila e susugal mo ba buhay ng mga pulubing sundalo,na asin at sardinas lang ulam?
so what are you gonna do about it? just rant and rave here?
^^^timing... brother... timing. if we can lure more investors and build up our economy,mpdernize our military then save competent generals.
this time is not yet the time. why sacrificing soldiers in very pathetic state?thats not heroism, thats stupidity.
im in you though,desperat,gasping,panting etc. coz we're led by corrupt pipol, but dont lose hope brother we could still have chance (hehe drama ko no?). everything has to undergo saturation,and that includes corruption and mis management. matatapos din tong kalokohan ng mga tonggressman tsaka senatong na mga yan.. unless education wont be trickled down to least fortunate,then matatapos din to lahat.. ok??nyahaha
this time is not yet the time. why sacrificing soldiers in very pathetic state?thats not heroism, thats stupidity.
im in you though,desperat,gasping,panting etc. coz we're led by corrupt pipol, but dont lose hope brother we could still have chance (hehe drama ko no?). everything has to undergo saturation,and that includes corruption and mis management. matatapos din tong kalokohan ng mga tonggressman tsaka senatong na mga yan.. unless education wont be trickled down to least fortunate,then matatapos din to lahat.. ok??nyahaha
War is hell! We ASEAN members should be united against those fat bullies. I might sound stupid and day-dreaming. But why dont we make a Common Fund for the ASEAN, wipe out those greedy Chineses, then use the profit from our islands for our common issues ?
dont even bother arguing with them Chinese, let them mentally masturbate, calling them self "Chung Hwa"- the @$$hole of the world. These islands belong to ASEAN.
dont even bother arguing with them Chinese, let them mentally masturbate, calling them self "Chung Hwa"- the @$$hole of the world. These islands belong to ASEAN.
QUOTE (drjackal @ Aug 16 2009, 10:12 AM) 
War is hell! We ASEAN members should be united against those fat bullies. I might sound stupid and day-dreaming. But why dont we make a Common Fund for the ASEAN, wipe out those greedy Chineses, then use the profit from our islands for our common issues ?
dont even bother arguing with them Chinese, let them mentally masturbate, calling them self "Chung Hwa"- the @$$hole of the world. These islands belong to ASEAN.
dont even bother arguing with them Chinese, let them mentally masturbate, calling them self "Chung Hwa"- the @$$hole of the world. These islands belong to ASEAN.
War monger
ASEAN has to unite, but not exclusively because of China. There are and there will be plenty more bullies around who will like to control not really so weak, but extremely divided nations. A navy would be a good idea, but maybe something more peaceful and less militaristic like a scientific venture (space programme, satellite network) should also create industry and unity. 
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THE Philippines has unsuccessfully attempted for a long time to find its position in the global community. Much of the thrust of this effort has been taken seriously by the West, in particular by the United States. The recent trip by the President to the US shows how impractical that effort can become.
The Philippines lost any potential influence with the US in 1991 with the Senate vote to cancel the bases agreement. I am not implying any judgment on that decision. It is simply a fact that when the Americans were told to leave, they also took any sort of influence or power that the Philippines may have wielded with the US.
Prior to President Arroyo’s US trip, headlines touted that terrorism would be high on the agenda. How foolish. Obama could not care any less about terrorism or internal conflicts in the Philippines. To say otherwise is to ignore his public statements and policy actions around the world. Were the Abu Sayyaf to march into Malacaang, there might even be some question about which side Obama would support.
The fact that President Arroyo was the first leader of a Southeast Asian nation to visit Obama perhaps says something about the opinion of the other leaders regarding the US’s perception of the region.
The local pundits that attempted to find some sort of hidden agenda in Obama’s statement that “the Philippines will be the coordinating country in the US relationship with Asean” is plain silly. To imply that Obama desires the oil that potentially lies in the disputed waters of the South China Sea is ridiculous. To get to that oil through the Philippines, the US would have to back the Philippines’ claim against China, and that is never going to happen.
Obama’s statement sounded more like a father preparing for a business trip, saying to his six-year-old son, “You’re the man of the house now.”
Granted, though, the Philippines has focused much of its attention on China. But I cannot shake the feeling that any relationship with China is a dance with the devil.
Read this from the Times of India, Manila, August 14 (Associated Press): “China rejects Philippine plans to extract oil from the Reed Bank in the disputed South China Sea as a violation of Chinese sovereignty, Beijing’s ambassador said today. Reed Bank is in the South China Sea but is closest to Palawan Island, which is uncontested Philippine territory.”
If China wants the Reed Bank and its potential oil, then the next China will be claiming is Boracay as its sovereign territory.
And look at the statement later from our dear friends, the Chinese. From Xinhua News Agency, August 14: “Insurgency battles, kidnappings and terrorism appearing now and then in the press hold back tens of thousands of potential Chinese tourists to the Philippines, China’s top envoy in Manila said Friday. Liu said ‘a sense of security’ was very important as Chinese tourists are bothered with media reports on violence in the Philippines.”
And what “media reports” is Ambassador Liu speaking of? Well, Xinhua News Agency is the official press agency of the Chinese government.
One way the Philippines could have created more influence is through the Association of Southeast Asian Nation (Asean). As a founding member of Asean, along with Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand, this could be the venue to place the region and, more important, the Philippines, in a more prominent position.
The purpose for Asean was to create stability and harmony among the members, as well as economic cooperation. After 40 years, little concrete has really been achieved. Asean did nothing in the dispute between Malaysia and the Philippines over the sovereignty of Sabah. The 1997 economic crisis saw it as a body sitting quietly on the sidelines as member-nations worked through their problems.
If you read the Fundamental Principles statement of Asean, you would think you were reading a statement from nations that had just been at war with each other. That is probably closer to the truth of Asean, since it was formed shortly after Singapore and Malaysia nearly went to war during the breakdown of the newly formed Malaysia. Indonesia and the former Federation of Malaya did go to war.
If you look at the last 10 years of Asean, nearly countless “road maps” have been developed for economic cooperation. Unfortunately, road maps do not necessarily lead to “roads.” For example, some sort of unified stock exchange or at least cross-border company listing and electronic trading has been talked about for years. And talked about endlessly with nothing being moved forward in a practical sense.
On the plus side, Asean has concluded fair-trade agreements with several nations, including China, Korea, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and India. But here again, each individual nation still must adhere and adapt to these agreements. Yet Asean itself has never achieved “open borders” between its member-nations.
Asean is like a ship without a captain. The Philippines could and should assume the predominant leadership role in Asean if it so desired. Then the rest of the world, and particularly the US, would give this nation the importance it needs in this new economic world. The Philippines cannot do it by itself. But the strength of Asean has the potential for success.
The Philippines lost any potential influence with the US in 1991 with the Senate vote to cancel the bases agreement. I am not implying any judgment on that decision. It is simply a fact that when the Americans were told to leave, they also took any sort of influence or power that the Philippines may have wielded with the US.
Prior to President Arroyo’s US trip, headlines touted that terrorism would be high on the agenda. How foolish. Obama could not care any less about terrorism or internal conflicts in the Philippines. To say otherwise is to ignore his public statements and policy actions around the world. Were the Abu Sayyaf to march into Malacaang, there might even be some question about which side Obama would support.
The fact that President Arroyo was the first leader of a Southeast Asian nation to visit Obama perhaps says something about the opinion of the other leaders regarding the US’s perception of the region.
The local pundits that attempted to find some sort of hidden agenda in Obama’s statement that “the Philippines will be the coordinating country in the US relationship with Asean” is plain silly. To imply that Obama desires the oil that potentially lies in the disputed waters of the South China Sea is ridiculous. To get to that oil through the Philippines, the US would have to back the Philippines’ claim against China, and that is never going to happen.
Obama’s statement sounded more like a father preparing for a business trip, saying to his six-year-old son, “You’re the man of the house now.”
Granted, though, the Philippines has focused much of its attention on China. But I cannot shake the feeling that any relationship with China is a dance with the devil.
Read this from the Times of India, Manila, August 14 (Associated Press): “China rejects Philippine plans to extract oil from the Reed Bank in the disputed South China Sea as a violation of Chinese sovereignty, Beijing’s ambassador said today. Reed Bank is in the South China Sea but is closest to Palawan Island, which is uncontested Philippine territory.”
If China wants the Reed Bank and its potential oil, then the next China will be claiming is Boracay as its sovereign territory.
And look at the statement later from our dear friends, the Chinese. From Xinhua News Agency, August 14: “Insurgency battles, kidnappings and terrorism appearing now and then in the press hold back tens of thousands of potential Chinese tourists to the Philippines, China’s top envoy in Manila said Friday. Liu said ‘a sense of security’ was very important as Chinese tourists are bothered with media reports on violence in the Philippines.”
And what “media reports” is Ambassador Liu speaking of? Well, Xinhua News Agency is the official press agency of the Chinese government.
One way the Philippines could have created more influence is through the Association of Southeast Asian Nation (Asean). As a founding member of Asean, along with Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand, this could be the venue to place the region and, more important, the Philippines, in a more prominent position.
The purpose for Asean was to create stability and harmony among the members, as well as economic cooperation. After 40 years, little concrete has really been achieved. Asean did nothing in the dispute between Malaysia and the Philippines over the sovereignty of Sabah. The 1997 economic crisis saw it as a body sitting quietly on the sidelines as member-nations worked through their problems.
If you read the Fundamental Principles statement of Asean, you would think you were reading a statement from nations that had just been at war with each other. That is probably closer to the truth of Asean, since it was formed shortly after Singapore and Malaysia nearly went to war during the breakdown of the newly formed Malaysia. Indonesia and the former Federation of Malaya did go to war.
If you look at the last 10 years of Asean, nearly countless “road maps” have been developed for economic cooperation. Unfortunately, road maps do not necessarily lead to “roads.” For example, some sort of unified stock exchange or at least cross-border company listing and electronic trading has been talked about for years. And talked about endlessly with nothing being moved forward in a practical sense.
On the plus side, Asean has concluded fair-trade agreements with several nations, including China, Korea, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and India. But here again, each individual nation still must adhere and adapt to these agreements. Yet Asean itself has never achieved “open borders” between its member-nations.
Asean is like a ship without a captain. The Philippines could and should assume the predominant leadership role in Asean if it so desired. Then the rest of the world, and particularly the US, would give this nation the importance it needs in this new economic world. The Philippines cannot do it by itself. But the strength of Asean has the potential for success.
businessmirror
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