Where's his turban and beard?

i m sehajdhari sikh...not all sikhs are turban wearing. by the way i am not too much religious.

whats a trini, express yourself are you a pinoy izzit?
jattwithgutts, are you married man?

I'm 100% Indian.

oh you're indian, thats unlucky. just kidding kekek

lol..i aint married yet ..what made u think i m married

most second generation are like that. The more conservative the culture, the more likely it is to be broken in the West.

shut up your mouth jatt

you trying to make it seem as if all white people disrespect their elders

R your a virgin? i douth it, so shut up about virginity, its not only in the indian religion that
having sex is sin before marriage, even in christian religion it is a sin to do sex before marriage,
as a matter of fact if u studied about religion its sin to do sex before marriage in any religion.....but alot of people don't really follow that.
I'm not indian, do i disrespect my elders? no. I'm not having sex, i have never drank in my life and never going to, i dont smoke-even though i'm 21, do i wear short skimpy clothes like u thinks all girls out here do?-no! i also think its sin to have sex before marriage, was a brought up in india?no
i got some friend here in west who have the same views as i do, now please don't be so close minded sheesh.....

lol next u gonna be saying im indian washed

You're not Indian? What are you then?


By "indian religion," do you mean Hinduism? Indian religions can be anything, since Christians, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Jains, Parsis, and Sikhs are found in India.

yes

but in every religion in this world its a sin to do sex before marriage

what countru do you live in Mona?

what about satanist

You can do what you want in satanism. It's a self-worshipping religion.

Wicca also doesn't care about having pre-marital sex.

and Christians

Mona darling this topic is so complex, how could you be so direct. This should be of some help for curious minds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_sexuality

Mona darling!!! please don't mind my remarks. You remind me of Ajit, the famous actor of Bollywood movies, he played a villian in most of his films. He had expired long ago but his Mona jokes are still famous.
I will share few Ajit jokes with you people. Boss = Ajit, Secretary = Mona.

Scene: Ajit & Mona were romancing in their secret den, robert came over and broke the news about sona(gold)
Robert: Boss boss aaj raat ko sona aaraha hai. code word kya hoga. (Boss boss the gold will come tonight, what would be the code word)
Ajit: Very simple !!! code word hoga(would be) ,'two sexy legs'. MONA DARLING !! NOW SPREAD THE CODE WORD...

Raabert(Robert): Boss? Is kaa kyaa kare boss? (Boss? What shall we do with him boss?)
Ajeet: Rawbert! Is pille ko liquid oxygen me daal do. Liquid ise jeene nahi dega, aur Oxygen ise marne nahi dega. (Rawbert! put this cub in liquid oxygen. Liquid wouldn't let him live, and Oxygen wouldn't let him die.)

Ajeet: Mona, tum Toni se shaadi mat karnaa, bahut mona-toni ho jaegi. (Mona, don't marry Toni at all or there would be a lot of mona-toni.)

you forgot this one

ajeet: mujhay duniya may teen hee cheejhay aschee lagti hai....mona, sona aur mona k saath sonah

i know someone would say wicca, but, i really don't consider wicca to be a religion so lol

its no use trying to convince me its just not a religion as far as im concerned, lol someone probably gonna say im close minded, thats cool, i respect other people's religion, from hindu to islam, budda etc, but wicca lol.......maybe i should learn more about wicca then i'll understand more about it....aah nevermind i dont want to lol



its not OK for Christians to have sex before marriage according to the bible
i did religion in school, ur not christian and u don't know the laws,
The majority of people out here in the western world are from christian background, but not all of them are true christians, even me I'm not a true christian though i'm from a christian background (if a person from another religion ask me what's my religion i will tell them christan but if a true christian ask me if im a christian i will say no, caz by saying no that person, they will know that i still have not gone through the ritual of been a true christian). To be a true christian u have to get baptized and do good deeds and be a good person. I'm not baptized and I'm not exactly following the laws of being a true christian. Most people in western world who says they are christian they only mean they are from a christian background, they don't necessarily mean their following the laws of the bible, and so someone who has a christian background but is having sex does not represent true christian, u have to turn your life over to be a true christian and become a good person at heart.....

i dont go to church, i categorize myself as a christian, but if a non christian ask whats my religion, i cant bother to go through the whole thing of saying well im from christian background but im not a true christian, and complicate things

1. You shall have no other gods before me.

2. You shall not make for yourselves an idol.

3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.

4. Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

5. Honor your father and your mother.

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.(Thou shalt not lie)

10. You shall not covet.


those are the Ten Commandments
but do u see every person who claims they are christian following these laws?

i call out the Lord name in vein everyday, so thats already a sin lol

its also sin to do sex before marriage even though not listed there, its in some other scriptures

infact christians are not suppose to even use curse words, i douth u would find a true christian using curse words

although i'm not a christian, im trying to live a good life, and not tell lies etc

I like this one. Translation for the firangis. Sona has two meanings "gold" and "to sleep".

Ajeet: I like only three things in this world Mona, Gold(Sona) and to sleep with Mona (Mona ke saath sona).

I had Catholics even telling me that masturbating and performing oral sex is your one way ticket to hell. I don't think they believe in using birth control either.

yes lol

i also try not to masturbate caz its a sin
but then im horny

what to do?

Do other forms of Christianity say the same thing? Sorry if I sound ignorant. I'm more familiar with Catholicism because that's who I grew up with. I don't know if protestants, baptists etc are as strict.

I think some Indians just confuse Western culture with Christianity, which is why some people think that it's okay for a Christian to have sex before marriage.

What film is it from? Some translations don't rhyme in English though.

i know they not allowed, ive studied it to but you wont believe the amount of ppl who just say their chirtain and dont follow any of their teachings



yeh something in the a scripture about fantasizing about women is the same as comiting adultly so i kept asking them questions about loopholes and stuff like is it ok to yank it if your fantasizing about some who isnt real and so that would make it ok and what about the ppl who watch hentai they would go to haven since its not real and yeh catholics don't use birth control they also believe in limbo/pergitory if your not good or bad your sent there and your family has to pay the priest to do a pray to get you into haven even tho is doesnt say anything in the bible about it

The film Kalicharan. Ajit played the underwold don "Lion" in that film. I did my best to translate those jokes properly but they don't pack enough punch in english. Anyway I am going to make a separate thread for Bollywood gup-shup.

your can ask any priest or pastor and he will say sex only after marriage

Every form of Christianity says the same things, the churches don't make the rules, the bible do.

Every church use the same bible, with the same scriptures.

It's not up to the different churches to say weather sex before marriage is sin or not, they follow what the bible says.


hence...
No pastor in he's right mind is gonna say sex before marriage is ok.

It's stated clearly in the bible that sex before marriage is a sin, the church would follow what
the scriptures says i presume.

I don't belong to a certain church, church is church- i dont belong to a particular branch, i go there to worship God not people.
I've been to every different types of church u can think of and all says the same thing
Ask any true christian weather sex before marriage is a sin.......and i assure they will start giving a long lecture and start quoting scriptures of the bible to u about y premarital sex is not right..

Its a sweeping generalization to presume that "whites" (whatver one defines that as) disrespect their elders.

Theres uneducated people everywhere. There are SOME older people who are simply uneducated and pretend they know it all. Sort of like there are some poor uneducated country folks/farmers who say some really dumb things.
(Like how "black people are all evil" "because the color black is the same color as the Devil" etc. Or some other ridiculous statement. )

your so stupid

honestly!

u think its ok and cool to stereotype on people

what if i should say the same about u
what if i should take what ur saying and generalize and say all Punjabi people are prejudice

because of the experience i have with u

i m not stereotyping. i observed respenses of some of the forum members on matters relating to indian culture and values and came to the conclusion that a lot of them have serious inferiority complexes. y should we blindly copy western way of living .. y shouldnt we be proud of indian way of life??????

never seen an abcd appreciating indan way of life. salay fuudu.

Define "western way of living"?




What do you mean by "Indian way of life".
Alot of Indians from younger generations in modern the cities like Dehli are changing values. Class is not seen as important as befor and more women are going out to find jobs and careers.

I was just about to respond something that got deleted.


I think he means the "Indian way of life" as in being simple, humble, having strong family values, living in joint families, avoiding Western style-dating/pre-marital sex, etc...stuff along those lines.

Customs may differ from various Indian ethnic groups , but they're minor in the big picture. There are major characteristics that unite all Indians, and that's what makes the "Indian way of life."

Keep in mind not all westerners are into pre-marital sex. There are some very conservative westerners. Especially if they are religious. There are westeners who are very family oriented as well. Especially among Italian Americans.

Keep in mind that pre-marital sex is practiced among certain groups in India as well (like among some Tantric groups).
Not to mention there are also the the hijras ( cross dressers).

I think what she and jatt may be referring to is secular Western culture rather than Christian Western culture. Like Mona said before, there are many traditional Christians who are more family-oriented and abstain from pre-marital sex (much like traditional Indian culture), but in modern secular Western culture, independant lifestyles and pre-marital sex are encouraged, and this is also becoming somewhat more prevalent in modern secular Indian culture aswell.

I tend to agree.

You know I think some of the most conservatives (at least in North America) are the Mennonites, Quakers and the Amish. They usually dont marry outside of their people and many are still living in the 1800's (they dont own modern things and still ride in horses.)

I know that, but people generally think of that when they say "traditional Indian culture." I grew up with bible-belt WASP Catholic families, so I know that some Westerner families are just as staunchly conservative as some Indians, BUT let's compare the number of people in the West that are openly okay with pre-marital sex compared to the amount of people in India that are openly okay with it. Which area do you think is going to have a higher number?

Even though there are some Indian groups that do have pre-marital sex, it's still not acceptable in the bigger picture nor does it change traditional Indian culture's views on sex. The Hill Maria is an Indian group that's okay with pre-marital sex, but the majority of Indians view the Hill Maria to be savages.


The only reason why I used "Western-style dating" is because that's more commonly practiced in the West, even though there are Catholic families that don't approve of dating or pre-marital sex. People in the bigger cities in India started to date and have love marriages after this concept was established in the West. If you go to the rural areas of India and the smaller cities though, dating and holding hands is unheard of.

Keep in mind they arnt living in India anymore. Many people among western countries question religion
(all relgions) and the philosophy of morality.




In some ways "one night stands" are still unacceptiple in western countries (espcially if its a female).

Also if a women has alot of sex with alot of people its still consider not acceptiple to most men in North America (when I say "alot" I mean alot. They would refer to her as a "whore".).

But if an Indian man has sex outside of marrage how does Indian society view this?

Yeah, but how much of a presence do these people have in mainstream Western culture? Modern, secular Indian culture is still emerging and growing, while modern secular Western culture has already been established and is well-known throughout the world.


The lavish, independent and progressive Indians make up a minority in comparison to the bigger population in India. On the other hand, modern secular people in America and Europe are very easy to find. You can find one more easily than finding an Amish person. I think I only saw an Amish group of people once in my life.

I just added that because I thought someone might find it interesting.

Although I would also comment that in America's south ("The Bible Belt" region) there are some really religious conservatives. Mainly evangelical protestants Christians. (for those who didnt know)

Not to mention you have alost of weird sects like certain Mormon groups (that broke off from official Mormon churches) that practice polygymy (having more than one wife). Its still illegal but its still practice from some of these cults.

Have you heard of any polygymay being practice practiced by Muslims in India (I think its illegal as well but not 100% sure on that one).

There's still a difference though. One night stands and sleeping around isn't the same thing as having pre-marital sex with your fiance or long-term boyfriend.


In traditional Indian culture, you're a slut if you have sex just ONCE before marriage. Even if you had sex with your fiance the night before marriage, it still would be viewed as wrong. It's supposed to apply to both men and women, but some families might be lenient on their sons if they found out that their son isn't a virgin. This doesn't mean that Indian parents encourage their sons to sleep around. It's just that it's worse for a female non-virgin, compared to a male that's not a virgin.


Now, how many Westerners do you know who think that having sex with your fiance or your boyfriend for 5 years makes you a slut? I think it's safe to say that modern Western culture is okay with pre-marital sex as long as it's within certain boundaries. Obviously, many still look down on female promiscuity......but a girl having sex just once with her boyfriend in America would have it easier compared to a girl in India sleeping with just one man before she got married.

Talking about seeing Amish. It was in the summer I saw some Amish in the middle of the city (i'm not joking ) I think they were waiting for someone at a hosptial or something. I couldnt believe my eyes. It was so weird and out of place.



Yeah I agree with you. I find that in many Asian countries its still not acceptible to have sex outside of marrage (especially if they are Muslim etc.). Having sex once is still consider bad. Some countries its alittle bit more relax like in Thailand and Vietnam (unless they are hard core Buddhists of course).

When I tell people from all over America that I spent some time in Alabama, they laugh and poke fun at the South. They think Southerners are backward hicks, and it seems like the rest of America doesn't care much for bible-belter areas (at least that's what I've gathered).

In Asian cultures, most people probably wouldn't think of Alabamians as being backward hicks. This is what I mean when liberal values just seem to be more prominent in the West?


My mom said she knew a Muslim man that had two wives at the same time in India. I don't know if it's illegal or not.




I forgot to mention that another important aspect of Indian culture is family honor, which is seen in other Eastern cultures too. Western culture is more individualistic, while Eastern culture is about the group unit. If one person in your family screws up, the whole family goes down with you.

That's where these honor killings stem from (which is too extreme), but there are some advantages to having a group mentality too. I think both Western and Eastern culture have their good and bad sides. Maybe Indian-Americans just come off as "messed up" to people in India, because we're trying to balance both cultures and seeing what's best for us.

indian culture might have short comings but still it holds our family toghether. still divorces are very rare in indian society. the day we will become more civilised and more progressive like these americans we will loose everything. we will loose our culture language and family. divorces will become common.

i will prefer to live in 1800s than this kind of modern world.

by the way being progressive doest mean having pre martial sex, drinking alcohol, being single mothers or disobeying your parents.

Indians can progress and become more modernized like the West without losing morality. I blame Americas lost morals on the 60s. All the drugs, free speech, anti-religion, anti-government really fu-ked $hit up.

see a white boy knows the virtues of indian culture. shame on you brown babu jis.

lol gah! i'm not White. All i was trying to say is you can be modern without being immoral. People look at America, that is probably the most progressive country in the world, and see it's lack of morals as an example of what can happen to their country if they become progressive and more modernized. It's not. I don't really know anything about Indian culture besides what i've learned in school and on tv. I was just speaking generally, based on every culture that has high morals.

Divorce is rare because people have a reputation to uphold, and the Indians that are divorced keep it a secret. According to Vedic scriptures from what I remember, divorce and remarriage is acceptable with cases of abuse, if the spouse is evil, an outcast, etc. You shouldn't divorce over petty things though, which is what some Westerners are doing.


The effects of divorce and living in a one-parent household can be damaging, but there's still a chance of psychological damage even if you grew up with two parents depending on the circumstances (physical, sexual and verbal abuse happening in the household). Obviously, if kids are constantly exposed to a violent father.....that's going to have an effect on them.

What is consider "moral" or what is "immoral" is a social construct.
Its a whole philosophical debate on its own. Its never ending.


Its like those debates with various religion. Its never ending.

Polygamy is illegal in India just like most other democratic countries, but it is possible to marry a second wife (or husband) without actually registering the second marriage. I saw something like that mentioned in Little Mosque on the Prairie.

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