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The pots of Dai Viet
10:26' 18/10/2005 (GMT+7)

A slice of the golden age of the Dai Viet civilization in Vietnam a thousand years ago, can be seen at the Vietnam Historical Museum with over 200 antiques on display to the public.


Under the Ly Dynasty (11th and 12th centuries) and the Tran Dynasty (13th and 14th centuries), the country Dai Viet created a highly effective administration and a solid national structure.


This meant regions hitherto unconnected became integrated, access to mountainous areas was improved and a strong national defence was formed.


Now, it is considered to be the first golden age of Vietnam. After over one thousand years of Chinese domination, creativity flourished in the new era of independence.

There is a third golden age: the part of the Le dynasty when the code of the Le was created and put into effect. This code was a couple of hundred years ahead of any of its European contemporaries, created a Vietnamese society that was worth defending and went a long way toward helping us integrate the Cham into Dai Viet.

Do you know what centuries is this third golden age?

The code of the Le was in effect between 1428-1788

Wow, Viet people need to make a long movie describing the Golden Age of Dai Viet.

Hopefully, we will have many more Golden Ages to come - a single, endless Golden Age would be my first choice, though

Don't worry, blacklight. The 21st Century is Vietnam's Golden Age. Make sure we take care of ourselves so that we can live until 2100 so that we can help and contribute.

Where is blacklight?

It is important to learn how these golden ages came about. How do you think these golden ages came about?

Khổng giáo

It's a start but it needs more. Ask why China does not have much of it or other countries. A society is very much like you. It comes from years of cultivation. Like they say, Rome was not built in one day.

Also ask what is the most valuable thing in a country. This is what Golden ages are all about. And then why we don't have that Golden age now. Remember all things are related; past, present and future intertwine. You can't have present without the past etc....

People in the Golden ages knew about these things. Thus they had Golden ages.

You're Viet bro? I thought you were Chinese.

Really these are questions that any forward Viet thinkers should be thinking, not simply reading and regurgitating and wishing, but understanding how it all relates.

The golden age?
See here's the problem with the neo-generation
Forget about the past & move forward, & i mean it's not 1976 anymore which many who weren't even born before then have the mentality due to it being passed on by the generation before.

The reason for the whole of Vietnam riseing is because #1 the reunification & #2 it's the Cong Sans who started it all.
Otherwise the same situation would apply like the 2 Korea's, if we had a N. & S Vietnam they too will be like the 2 Korea's.

Sounds like typical facism and communism where they like to burn books and eradicate the past so they can all be stupid and corrupt.

These people calling to forget about the past may be because they are uneducated. They can't learn anything so they tell you to not to learn. As I said, you want to be a hypocrite then ignore the past, because you are ignoring lessons to be learnt and ignore the sacrifies.

Any Viet thinkers can explain where all these Golden Ages came from and where did it all go? Will there ever be other Golden Ages? What will it take?

I'm not a hypocrit, you are!
The past is the past and we can't change it, the one thing that bothers me is people like you who whine & complain much like a grandmother. So what if its Communist Vietnam for the past 30 + years.
It's finally moving forward.
The golden age & South Vietnam isn;t around anymore, and neither is George Washington or Michael Jordan playing for the Chicago Bulls.
Lets move forward, and accept the current situation & help build around it.

Again, learn nothing and ignore sacrifies then be a hypocrite. Real people learn from the past and appreciate sacrifies.


If you learn anything it will be the past. The more you learn and research the further you will look.

Read what I said below:

Flame .
The Golden Age is coming....

Anything to base that on? Even if it seems near to others, if you are going at a snail's pace, it will be too far to reach.

Vietnam's next golden age would not come about for at least another 50 years when most of us would have been dead or nearly dead. THe education system in vietnam is deaply flawed so those who received it are wasting their efforts now for no good. That would last 50 years for our generation at least. We need a fresh flock of thinkers, artists, scientists... but the system in vietnam symply denied us that. I recalled a history lesson i had in vietnam when i criticised the Tay Son government for their ruthless actions and policies and I was kicked out of class for that lesson because they said it was 'poisonous way of thinking'.

Vietnam in the past entered the golden age due to many factors but most important of all is the proper attention towards education which creates i think is the core of any successful society.

Oh oh , don't think like that buddy .
Can u tell us what's that "ruthless actions"?
U are right in not easy to say what u think for that event, but u shoudn't say that to the whole clazz, u can think about that later. About the education in Viet Nam, the History program for Vietnamese is "almostly" correct. Sometimes i think like u, but i just ignore it. Cẩn thận nhá.

YOU're exactly right, that's the way we should behave in vietnam, keep everything to ourselves, particularly out thoughts. But doing that also means we cannot correct the mistakes that we see. About the rightless of Tay Son, you have to do deeper research to be able to understand what i mean, the scope of this forum doesnot allow me to explain it to you. But what i know is from first hand sources : manuscript handed down from Tay Son historians, Nguyen historians, Western Priests.... which are accessible to me because i can read (with difficulties) Nom and Han scripts which most vietnamese cannot.

It is great that you guys are interested in history. Viets who are stuck in the past don't want you to learn and make sense about it.

But any ideas why we study histories all at?

Yes, pm? . Can u teach me Nom and Han


Good question. We study history to correct things happen now. But, with tientriettungdam's opinion, maybe my answer is particularly wrong.

Good answer. I am particularly interested in tientriettungdam's opinion as well. So which history should we study most to correct or understand what is happening now?

let's make sure we take good care of ourselves and live during the period of 2050 to 2100

I like your attitude SoCal. With medical technology in our future, who knows how long we will live. And I'm confident that Vietnam will achieve great economic growth within the next 20 years.

Only because our economy is rock bottom right now and we have no other direction to go but up.

I'm all for Vietnamese unity and all but with the current government, the future for Vietnam seems hardly anything other than hopeless.

Saw this in another forum and I have to say I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.

David Lamb, replied when asked "What can Vietnam do to develop VN into a regional power?"

His reply "Nothing, just let loose its people. This is a top-class racehorse that has been holding back by its incompetent rider!"