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joonson
Bonifacio and Rizal are heroes in our country... but Rizal was the one proclaimed as a national hero.

But i think Bonifacio is the one to be our national hero coz he really fight for our country's independence. Yes, Rizal died in Luneta but he made an agreement that he wants the Philippines to be a province of Spain.

What do you think?
halohalo
QUOTE (joonson @ Jun 28 2004, 04:19 AM)
Bonifacio and Rizal are heroes in our country... but Rizal was the one proclaimed as a national hero.

But i think Bonifacio is the one to be our national hero coz he really fight for our country's independence. Yes, Rizal died in Luneta but he made an agreement that he wants the Philippines to be a province of Spain.

What do you think?

Really? Rizal wanted Philippines to be a province of Spain? I never knew that....
confused.gif If that was the case I might juz change my mind and go for Bonifacio to be the national hero instead.
joonson
Yes, he had three or four conditions... its in the Philippine history
flipcombatmedic
it sounds bad so but you can't blame the gat. i mean pi was already a province of spain, and also rizal didn't have the wildest dream that the individual provinces of pi would unite, i mean spain still had the hold in pi, not until the americans helped out by sending aguinaldo and fighting the spanish in all parts of the world did we had actual hope of kicking out the spanish. the revolt would have lasted and spain was already weak, but still logically rizal would have thought it was half crazy to actually have real philippine independence, so if this is true id say that rizal would have wanted at least to barter for partial independence.
BatangDamo
QUOTE (joonson @ Jun 28 2004, 04:19 AM)
Bonifacio and Rizal are heroes in our country... but Rizal was the one proclaimed as a national hero.

But i think Bonifacio is the one to be our national hero coz he really fight for our country's independence. Yes, Rizal died in Luneta but he made an agreement that he wants the Philippines to be a province of Spain.

What do you think?

Rizal Fought with the pen, Bonifacio with the sword...
JMAC
I never knew about Rizal's intention in details...
come to think about it....I might favour Bonifacio instead....
dalawapo
did someone in here tell me that rizal spoke of austronesian unity? confused.gif (im not talking about political, but cultural)
flipcombatmedic
yes he did you can find it said on the asean or A.S.E.A.N. website, it talked of how rizal thought of such thing.
kim_kayie
bonifacio....
matapang na tao!!!
anjing
bonifacio...
always on the go!!!
Rocky Cuong V
Interesting reading about Philo hero. Damn those name is so hard to remember
joonson
QUOTE (Cuong @ Jun 30 2004, 08:56 AM)
Interesting reading about Philo hero. Damn those name is so hard to remember

embarassedlaugh.gif better learn Filipino language. its great!
Ek-ek
Still Jose Rizal !
joonson
QUOTE (Ek-ek @ Jun 30 2004, 12:50 PM)
Still Jose Rizal !

Why still Rizal?
kim_kayie
i think there's no issue about these two heroes..
both of them did the same great heroic act, in their own way....
joonson
QUOTE (kim_kayie @ Jul 1 2004, 09:28 AM)
i think there's no issue about these two heroes..
both of them did the same great heroic act, in their own way....

that may be the root of this topic... both of them did the same great heroic act, in their own way... but why Rizal became the national hero?
kim_kayie
and why bonifacio does not? embarassedlaugh.gif
kiss_me
bonifacio

atapang atao
aputol akamay indi atakbo biggrin.gif
joonson
QUOTE (kim_kayie @ Jul 1 2004, 09:39 AM)
and why bonifacio does not? embarassedlaugh.gif

ya, you may answer that question coz you chose bonifacio in your previous post. embarassedlaugh.gif
BatangDamo
QUOTE (joonson @ Jul 1 2004, 09:35 AM)
QUOTE (kim_kayie @ Jul 1 2004, 09:28 AM)
i think there's no issue about these two heroes..
both of them did the same great heroic act, in their own way....

that may be the root of this topic... both of them did the same great heroic act, in their own way... but why Rizal became the national hero?

you know what, i read something in a book that maybe the americans during the early 1900's looked for a role model for the Filipino people to look up upon. They chose and made Rizal the official Philippines hero after the Spaniards have been defeated, i guess they chose him because of his accomplishments...............or not
maybe they just chose Rizal over Bonifacio because to them, Bonifacio is a bad example and his revolutionary traits and anti American occupation might spark some hatred or revolutions towards them......
kim_kayie
aputol daliri...
hindi atakbo...

apatak kalamansi.... embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
joonson
QUOTE (kim_kayie @ Jul 1 2004, 09:47 AM)
aputol daliri...
hindi atakbo...

apatak kalamansi.... embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

great! embarassedlaugh.gif
kim_kayie
tumakbong matulin.....
i think i heard that from anjo yllana? am i right?lolz
joonson
QUOTE (kim_kayie @ Jul 1 2004, 10:01 AM)
tumakbong matulin.....
i think i heard that from anjo yllana? am i right?lolz

yeah, you're right! in "Abangan ang susunod na kabanata..."
kim_kayie
hindi ba sa palibhasa lalaki?

QUOTE
you know what, i read something in a book that maybe the americans during the early 1900's looked for a role model for the Filipino people to look up upon. They chose and made Rizal the official Philippines hero after the Spaniards have been defeated, i guess they chose him because of his accomplishments...............or not
maybe they just chose Rizal over Bonifacio because to them, Bonifacio is a bad example and his revolutionary traits and anti American occupation might spark some hatred or revolutions towards them......


well tama nga si BAtangdamo, na iniisip ng iba na ang pagiging rebolusyonaryo ni bonifacio ay baka makasama...
joonson
but then, i think Bonifacio is more deserving to become a national hero. Mas makabayan at mas pro-independence siya kaysa kay Rizal.
Bonifacio fought for our independence and Rizal fought only for equal treatment of the Filipinos from the Spaniards-for reform.
kim_kayie
:genius: so true!
im also in favor of bonifacio,
rizal was ok, but bonifacio is very brave and courageous...
and MAKABAYAN....
Ek-ek
But He caknowledge that it was Rizal who gave him the inspiration to fight those Spaniards
flipcombatmedic
to me rizal and bonifacio are both very noble filipinos, but i don't think that anyone is greater thatn the other sacrifices. they both lost their lives for the cause, it's just rizal were more like ghandi, while bonifacio took the stance of bolivar. but since rizal had been given the title, i don't think it should be changed, just cause for generations we had looked at him as the symbol, yet we cant deny the sacrifices of the supremo.
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