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kkdkckrl
I came across this news article, and I was actually stunned that such thing exists. I thought that it was an urban story, but I guess it is true!

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Muslim extremists who try to force teenage Hindu girls to convert to Islam are being targeted in a new police crackdown.

The recruiters – often paid £5,000 for each success – are stepping up 'aggressive conversion' tactics, especially around universities, religious leaders believe.

The Metropolitan Police have stepped in after commissioner Sir Ian Blair said many Hindus felt neglected by Scotland Yard.

Some young students have been beaten up and forced to abandon their courses by extremists, Hindu leaders told a security conference.

Islamic extremists invited the girls on dates before beginning campaigns of 'terrorism' until they converted, they claimed.

Ramesh Kallidai, from the Hindu Forum of Britain, said: 'Extremist Muslims make life miserable for Hindu girls.

'Some are petrified; they feel these men have complete hold on them.

One girl was beaten up in the street and others have been forced to leave university.'

The problem was most common in cities such as Birmingham, Leeds and Bradford, he added, while London universities had 'at least two or three cases' each.

Mr Kallidai estimated hundreds of girls had been targeted, with some reports of Muslim boys being offered £5,000 'commissions'.

The National Union of Students said it did not want to discriminate against Muslims but agreed some extremists were causing concern.

They have managed to infiltrate Brunel University in West London, Bedfordshire University, Sheffield Hallam University and Manchester Metropolitan University, according to a Muslim charity.

Sheikh Musa Admani, a 'troubleshooting' imam, fears many radicals are easily by-passing university bans on extremist sects such as Hizb ut Tahrirs and Al-Mujahiroun.

Scotland Yard is to set up a Hindu Safety Forum with 'aggressive conversion' as its top priority.

Sir Ian said: 'There is a feeling in the Hindu community that we have not given them as much attention as other groups.'
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?i...p;in_page_id=34
ExpressYourself
Wasn't there something previously about Sikh girls in the UK? They were sending pamphlets teaching others how to lure Sikh women and convert them. There was one story on the net where a UK Sikh girl converted and ended up being deserted in a Pakistani whore house by her "husband" shrug.gif
ACMILAN1983
I don't see the point of forced conversion. To make people believe through fear isn't going to change what they believe (actually it will make them less likely to want to believe in that stuff). The only realistic reason is those who force conversion have personal gains from doing so (in this case, money it seems). These people shouldn't even deserve to be called believers of the religion.
jatt_with_gutts
there is no such thing as forced conversion. i think there is no need to worry about these demee type shameless bithes cause our religion is getting purified from these whores . mostly hindu/sikh women are proud and will never gave up their religion cause they fancy some guy.
-=(-_-)=- HI-hit
QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Feb 24 2007, 12:47 PM) *

Wasn't there something previously about Sikh girls in the UK? They were sending pamphlets teaching others how to lure Sikh women and convert them. There was one story on the net where a UK Sikh girl converted and ended up being deserted in a Pakistani whore house by her "husband" shrug.gif

sikh turning Muslim?

QUOTE(jatt_with_gutts @ Feb 24 2007, 11:12 PM) *

there is no such thing as forced conversion. i think there is no need to worry about these demee type shameless bithes cause our religion is getting purified from these whores . mostly hindu/sikh women are proud and will never gave up their religion cause they fancy some guy.

lol i have a feeling you do more then slam the door to Jehovah's witness
Jagger
QUOTE(kkdkckrl @ Feb 24 2007, 01:42 AM) *

I came across this news article, and I was actually stunned that such thing exists. I thought that it was an urban story, but I guess it is true!

I'd probably be tempted to convert people as well if I was offered £5000. I'd have to brush up on my women-beating skills though.
Love*3
QUOTE(Jagger @ Feb 24 2007, 08:35 AM) *

I'd probably be tempted to convert people as well if I was offered £5000. I'd have to brush up on my women-beating skills though.

I would be too. I would get £5000 just for converting myself. embarassedlaugh.gif
deeme2000
QUOTE(jatt_with_gutts @ Feb 24 2007, 07:12 AM) *

there is no such thing as forced conversion. i think there is no need to worry about these demee type shameless bithes cause our religion is getting purified from these whores . mostly hindu/sikh women are proud and will never gave up their religion cause they fancy some guy.



too bad there aren't any way to keep boneheads like you from procreating.
Tenjikuronin
Warnings have been given out, please stay on topic.
lisper
Before judging any religion please look at it scriptures and teaching rather then the action of those who claim to be of the religion. this statement goes for any religion.

here r some of the verses of the Quran which r precious word of guidance for the muslims:

An-Nisa (The Women)
4:135
O YOU who have attained to faith! Be ever steadfast in upholding equity, bearing witness to the truth for the sake of God, even though it be against your own selves or your parents and kinsfolk. Whether the person concerned be rich or poor, God's claim takes precedence over [the claims of] either of them. Do not, then, follow your own desires, lest you swerve from justice: for if you distort [the truth], behold, God is indeed aware of all that you do!


Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread)
5:8
O YOU who have attained to faith! Be ever steadfast in your devotion to God, bearing witness to the truth in all equity; and never let hatred of any-one lead you into the sin of deviating from justice. Be just: this is closest to being God-conscious. And remain conscious of God: verily, God is aware of all that you do.


Islam is more then what people know about it.
Proud_Panjabi
If the girls want to convert, date out of religion, theres nothing anyone can do, as it is their choice. There has been 'forceful' conversions done to many Hindu/Sikh girls...

This is a known problem in England, as the Punjabis in Canada/America keep saying, that the Pakistani gangs wouldnt dare do anything like this on Sikhs there, or they will get 'killed' lol. There was a group or known as a "gang" by people, Shere-E-Punjab who would go around beating up these these kind of people, protect the Sikh/Hindu girls, back in the 1990s.



friend_of_elmo
Them girls overlook the most common way to get those extremist out of their face. Tell them they are transexuals embarassedlaugh.gif
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(-=(-_-)=- HI-hit @ Feb 24 2007, 08:26 AM) *

sikh turning Muslim?



Yeah. The number is pretty small though over here. Some Hindus and Sikhs do have a Muslim bf/gf at some point when they're in highschool/early college, but most of them don't end up marrying them.

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i think there is no need to worry about these demee type shameless bithes cause our religion is getting purified from these whores


Deeme's bf is Hindu. Even the older generation is okay with Hindus marrying Sikhs. It's not looked at in the same light as Sikhs marrying Muslims.
feiying
I wonder if that is how Islam spread? The Arabic and Turkic empires probably spread in the same manner. Stealing others women and forcing them into marriage and conversion.
swathi
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Yeah? The number is pretty small though over here. A lot of Hindus and Sikhs do have a Muslim bf/gf at some point in their life (can't help being a curious teenager), but most of them don't end up marrying them.



express urself u are making a lot of generalizations here. there is no such thing as curiosity factor u are making us sound like we are sexually promiscious which we are not..

ExpressYourself
QUOTE(swathi @ Feb 24 2007, 08:44 PM) *

express urself u are making a lot of generalizations here. there is no such thing as curiosity factor u are making us sound like we are sexually promiscious which we are not..


I wasn't even talking about sex in the first place. I don't think being curious to date outside of your race and religion has anything to do with sexual promiscuity. Being curious can mean wanting to see what it's like to date someone different from your background, wanting to see if the right person for you is found outside of your religious/racial group, or wanting to learn about different cultures. Since when did dating have to only be about sex? You don't even need to be sexual to date someone. My Sikh friend in America had a long distance relationship with a Muslim boy in India, and all what she did was talk on the phone and talk online with him. They never did anything physical with each other. Not even kiss or hold hands.


The thing is is that some highschool people simply don't care what race or religion a person is because they're at that stage where they are just getting to know people. If they like someone, they will go for it and not let religion get in the way. When people reach their 20's/30's and are ready to choose a life partner, more people might start to care about religion and race.
swathi
you might not be talking about sex but if an outsider reads this it implies more or less sex... hence. agree with you on all counts.
jatt_with_gutts
QUOTE(Proud_Panjabi @ Feb 24 2007, 03:42 PM) *

If the girls want to convert, date out of religion, theres nothing anyone can do, as it is their choice. There has been 'forceful' conversions done to many Hindu/Sikh girls...

This is a known problem in England, as the Punjabis in Canada/America keep saying, that the Pakistani gangs wouldnt dare do anything like this on Sikhs there, or they will get 'killed' lol. There was a group or known as a "gang" by people, Shere-E-Punjab who would go around beating up these these kind of people, protect the Sikh/Hindu girls, back in the 1990s.

well this ist a issue in canada. sikh women marrying muslims is kinda rare here. how big is it a problem in uk. i have heard sikh women are the most currupted ones there.
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(swathi @ Feb 24 2007, 09:46 PM) *

you might not be talking about sex but if an outsider reads this it implies more or less sex... hence. agree with you on all counts.



I will change my post then, but the next post clarifies to anyone else that I'm not talking about sex. icon_smile.gif

QUOTE(jatt_with_gutts @ Feb 24 2007, 10:03 PM) *

well this ist a issue in canada. sikh women marrying muslims is kinda rare here. how big is it a problem in uk. i have heard sikh women are the most currupted ones there.



Maybe it's because there are so many Sikhs in Canada. Even white people know what a Sikh is and what a Punjabi is. In the UK, there seems to be more Muslims so the numbers of a non-Muslim ending up with a Muslim becomes higher. I've even heard girls in my city complaining how there's not enough Sikhs or Hindus to date/marry. From what I see, Muslim parents have bigger families in the West and that increases the population.
jatt_with_gutts
QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Feb 24 2007, 09:38 PM) *

I will change my post then, but the next post clarifies to anyone else that I'm not talking about sex. icon_smile.gif
Maybe it's because there are so many Sikhs in Canada. Even white people know what a Sikh is and what a Punjabi is. In the UK, there seems to be more Muslims so the numbers of a non-Muslim ending up with a Muslim becomes higher. I've even heard girls in my city complaining how there's not enough Sikhs or Hindus to date/marry. From what I see, Muslim parents have bigger families in the West and that increases the population.

there are lots of sikhs in UK. probably sikhs in uk are not as "ghairatmand" as canadian sikhs.
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(jatt_with_gutts @ Feb 24 2007, 10:50 PM) *

there are lots of sikhs in UK. probably sikhs in uk are not as "ghairatmand" as canadian sikhs.



Sometimes it's hard to find others when you're not in the right places. Even if there are a lot of Sikhs, maybe they don't get to meet each other and keep running into non-Sikhs. That's possible.
jiggyiggy
Anyone who takes religon seriously enough to go out and try to convert other ppl has serious issues.
Tenjikuronin
QUOTE(jiggyiggy @ Feb 24 2007, 07:08 PM) *

Anyone who takes religon seriously enough to go out and try to convert other ppl has serious issues.

*Cough* Islamic fundamentalists *Cough*
Jagger
QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Feb 25 2007, 02:38 AM) *

I will change my post then, but the next post clarifies to anyone else that I'm not talking about sex. icon_smile.gif
Maybe it's because there are so many Sikhs in Canada. Even white people know what a Sikh is and what a Punjabi is. In the UK, there seems to be more Muslims so the numbers of a non-Muslim ending up with a Muslim becomes higher. I've even heard girls in my city complaining how there's not enough Sikhs or Hindus to date/marry. From what I see, Muslim parents have bigger families in the West and that increases the population.

The Sikh sommunity in the UK is just as large as Canada, and the Muslim community is larger than the Sikh community in Canada as well. There is no real difference between British Sikhs and Canadian Sikhs, nor are there any stats on the intermarriage rates between Sikhs and Muslims.
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(Jagger @ Feb 25 2007, 12:29 AM) *

The Sikh sommunity in the UK is just as large as Canada, and the Muslim community is larger than the Sikh community in Canada as well. There is no real difference between British Sikhs and Canadian Sikhs, nor are there any stats on the intermarriage rates between Sikhs and Muslims.



The way how people talk online make it seem like Sikhs dominate the Desi diaspora in Canada shrug.gif I have a Muslim friend in Canada, who says she will probably end up marrying a Sikh guy because there aren't too many Muslim guys where she is.
Jagger
QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Feb 25 2007, 04:38 AM) *

The way how people talk online make it seem like Sikhs dominate the Desi diaspora in Canada shrug.gif I have a Muslim friend in Canada, who says she will probably end up marrying a Sikh guy because there aren't too many Muslim guys where she is.

That's probably because Canada is more scarcely populated than the UK. Canada is many times larger than the UK but with only half the population. It's only in the major cities where the population density is similar to the UK.
ACMILAN1983
QUOTE(jatt_with_gutts @ Feb 24 2007, 12:12 PM) *

there is no such thing as forced conversion. i think there is no need to worry about these demee type shameless bithes cause our religion is getting purified from these whores . mostly hindu/sikh women are proud and will never gave up their religion cause they fancy some guy.


Jatt how about you stop picking on deeme in every post you make, it makes you look shameless and pathetic.
jatt_with_gutts
QUOTE(Jagger @ Feb 24 2007, 11:29 PM) *

The Sikh sommunity in the UK is just as large as Canada, and the Muslim community is larger than the Sikh community in Canada as well. There is no real difference between British Sikhs and Canadian Sikhs, nor are there any stats on the intermarriage rates between Sikhs and Muslims.

well i dunno about stats but if you look out you will run into more sikhs than muslims in toronto, vancouver and calgary. there are more muslims than sikhs only in montreal.

QUOTE(ACMILAN1983 @ Feb 25 2007, 05:13 AM) *

Jatt how about you stop picking on deeme in every post you make, it makes you look shameless and pathetic.

ignore my posts if you dont like them. i always speak truth wheather someone like it or not.
Proud_Panjabi
It has been advertised very much by the community leaders...but then again what can the anyone do if Hindu/Sikh girls want to date and convert?...its their choice what they do. The Hindu UK community is now involving the police as it is probably getting out of hand.

There is a big population of Panjabi-Sikhs in UK...but apparently theres more in Canada now. Also more 'Gurmat'/Sikh Schools etc in Canada compared to UK...Canadian/American are known to be more 'militant'.

The Canadian-Punjabis have more population in areas like Vancouver/Toronto/Calgary and are more populated in areas together, similar to the Punjabi-Americans in places like California and New York...in comparison to UK Sikhs who are scattered around more in different town/cities across the UK.
ACMILAN1983
QUOTE(jatt_with_gutts @ Feb 25 2007, 11:42 AM) *

ignore my posts if you dont like them. i always speak truth wheather someone like it or not.


laugh.gif good joke

Also, this isn't a case of whether I like your posts, personally I think you speak trash that most people shouldn't be subjected to, but you've been insulting Deeme (who you don't even know) in pretty much every post you make since she joined, which quite frankly she's done nothing to deserve.
VAMAN
Very scary topic. I think this topic should go in "India Serious Talk". Moderator please take notice.
-=(-_-)=- HI-hit
QUOTE(ACMILAN1983 @ Feb 25 2007, 09:13 PM) *

Jatt how about you stop picking on deeme in every post you make, it makes you look shameless and pathetic.


he didn't even talk to deeme on this thread
Jagger
QUOTE(-=(-_-)=- HI-hit @ Feb 26 2007, 08:17 AM) *

he didn't even talk to deeme on this thread

Haven't you read his first post in this thread?

QUOTE(Love*3 @ Feb 24 2007, 04:24 PM) *

I would be too. I would get £5000 just for converting myself. embarassedlaugh.gif

Now that I think about it, that's a good idea. The conversion organization should just hand out £5000 to all new convertees instead of the missionaries.
-=(-_-)=- HI-hit
QUOTE(Jagger @ Feb 26 2007, 08:19 PM) *

Haven't you read his first post in this thread?


ohh i thought (wen i red it at the time) deeme was like a Hindi word or something
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(Tenjikuronin @ Feb 25 2007, 12:08 AM) *

*Cough* Islamic fundamentalists *Cough*



you forgotz them bible belters in alabama. icon_smile.gif
Jagger
QUOTE(Proud_Panjabi @ Feb 25 2007, 12:45 PM) *

It has been advertised very much by the community leaders...but then again what can the anyone do if Hindu/Sikh girls want to date and convert?...its their choice what they do. The Hindu UK community is now involving the police as it is probably getting out of hand.

There is a big population of Panjabi-Sikhs in UK...but apparently theres more in Canada now. Also more 'Gurmat'/Sikh Schools etc in Canada compared to UK...Canadian/American are known to be more 'militant'.

The Canadian-Punjabis have more population in areas like Vancouver/Toronto/Calgary and are more populated in areas together, similar to the Punjabi-Americans in places like California and New York...in comparison to UK Sikhs who are scattered around more in different town/cities across the UK.

The reason why inter-religious relationships between Hindus/Sikhs and Muslims are more common in the UK is not necessarily because there are more Muslims, but because the number of South Asian Muslims is larger in the UK, so it's because of similar ethnic and cultural origins (e.g. between Punjabi Indians and Punjabi Pakis).
jatt_with_gutts
QUOTE(Jagger @ Feb 26 2007, 06:26 AM) *

The reason why inter-religious relationships between Hindus/Sikhs and Muslims are more common in the UK is not necessarily because there are more Muslims, but because the number of South Asian Muslims is larger in the UK, so it's because of similar ethnic and cultural origins (e.g. between Punjabi Indians and Punjabi Pakis).

wot are you talking about. punjabi sikhs have nothing in common with muslim punjabis of pakistan except common punjabi language. i know this might sound inappropriate in this forum but sikhs hate muslim punjabis of pakistan. we are nothing like pakistanis. you will never find salwar kamig wearing sikhs or shuttle cawk burka wearing sikh women. i feel pity for those few sikh women who marry pakis and degrade themselves to the level of pakistanis.
Tenjikuronin
QUOTE(Jagger @ Feb 26 2007, 03:26 AM) *

(e.g. between Punjabi Indians and Punjabi Pakis).

I have to agree with Jatts here (shockingly). Indian Punjabis really don't have all that much in common with Pakistani Punjabis, even when it comes to language. In Pakistani Punjab they primarily use Landha along with with the Shahmukhi script rather than Gurumukhi script. Half of my family comes from Lahore (pre-partition) and we really don't have much in common with the people living there today, as most of the people who were like us moved to India.
hgnis
Funny how the more educated people seem, the more they let themselves be divided by minor differences.
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(Tenjikuronin @ Feb 26 2007, 12:50 PM) *

I have to agree with Jatts here (shockingly). Indian Punjabis really don't have all that much in common with Pakistani Punjabis, even when it comes to language. In Pakistani Punjab they primarily use Landha along with with the Shahmukhi script rather than Gurumukhi script. Half of my family comes from Lahore (pre-partition) and we really don't have much in common with the people living there today, as most of the people who were like us moved to India.



From my experience only (both online and offline), Pakistani Punjabis do seem want to be associated with Indian Punjabis only (not other Indians) or they will say that "We're the same". It might be because the word "punjabi" is often associated with Indian Sikhs and Pakistanis also want to retain their Punjabi identity. It's a habit for Indians to just use the word Muslim and Pakistani as if it's something totally different, but Pakistanis also want to be recognized as being Punjabi...so they probably feel why not lump the Indian Punjabis with them.
Tenjikuronin
QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Feb 26 2007, 09:36 AM) *

From my experience only (both online and offline), Pakistani Punjabis do seem want to be associated with Indian Punjabis only (not other Indians) or they will say that "We're the same". It might be because the word "punjabi" is often associated with Indian Sikhs and Pakistanis also want to retain their Punjabi identity. It's a habit for Indians to just use the word Muslim and Pakistani as if it's something totally different, but Pakistanis also want to be recognized as being Punjabi...so they probably feel why not lump the Indian Punjabis with them.


I've had the opposite experience. Some Pakistani Punjabis around here are so out of touch with their heritage that they don't even know the significance of eating Saag (Spinach) during Lordi.

Although, to be fair, most of the Pakistanis I know in person are from Karachi and they seem to preserve their Sindhi heritage quite well. From my experience, they get along with Gujaratis quite well and usually get along with Indians in general. Its the Pakistani Punjabis that seem more inclined upon segregation around here, but I guess it varies from area to area.....

ExpressYourself
QUOTE(Tenjikuronin @ Feb 26 2007, 03:19 PM) *

I've had the opposite experience. Some Pakistani Punjabis around here are so out of touch with their heritage that they don't even know the significance of eating Saag (Spinach) during Lordi.

Although, to be fair, most of the Pakistanis I know in person are from Karachi and they seem to preserve their Sindhi heritage quite well. From my experience, they get along with Gujaratis quite well and usually get along with Indians in general. Its the Pakistani Punjabis that seem more inclined upon segregation around here, but I guess it varies from area to area.....




What I mean is that they just like to hold on to the title "Punjabi." I don't think they care about the actual "culture" or "heritage". They just want to be known as Punjabi.

What you said is applicable because India's Punjab and Kashmir is probably the only thing that Pakistanis would want to associate with, and those areas are a small portion of India overall. It's just easier on the tongue for them to say that they don't want to generally associate with India (because most Indians aren't Punjabi or Kashmiri).

My guess is that if they diss Indian Punjabis and Indian Kashmiris, it's like dissing themselves ........shrug.gif
Jagger
QUOTE(jatt_with_gutts @ Feb 26 2007, 02:37 PM) *

wot are you talking about. punjabi sikhs have nothing in common with muslim punjabis of pakistan except common punjabi language. i know this might sound inappropriate in this forum but sikhs hate muslim punjabis of pakistan. we are nothing like pakistanis. you will never find salwar kamig wearing sikhs or shuttle cawk burka wearing sikh women. i feel pity for those few sikh women who marry pakis and degrade themselves to the level of pakistanis.

QUOTE(Tenjikuronin @ Feb 26 2007, 04:50 PM) *

I have to agree with Jatts here (shockingly). Indian Punjabis really don't have all that much in common with Pakistani Punjabis, even when it comes to language. In Pakistani Punjab they primarily use Landha along with with the Shahmukhi script rather than Gurumukhi script. Half of my family comes from Lahore (pre-partition) and we really don't have much in common with the people living there today, as most of the people who were like us moved to India.

That may be true for America or Canada, but it's not exactly the same in Britain (which is what I was referring to). There is a lot more unity among Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans in the UK as far as I've noticed (maybe the label "Asian" really does bring them closer?). As for British Punjabis, some of them don't even refer to themselves as "Indian" or "Pakistani", but just Punjabi. (For example, the Rishi Rich crew members hardly ever mention whether they are Indian or Pakistani in interviews, but they would always say they are either Asian or Punjabi.)
jatt_with_gutts
QUOTE(Jagger @ Feb 26 2007, 06:30 PM) *

That may be true for America or Canada, but it's not exactly the same in Britain (which is what I was referring to). There is a lot more unity among Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans in the UK as far as I've noticed (maybe the label "Asian" really does bring them closer?). As for British Punjabis, some of them don't even refer to themselves as "Indian" or "Pakistani", but just Punjabi. (For example, the Rishi Rich crew members hardly ever mention whether they are Indian or Pakistani in interviews, but they would always say they are either Asian or Punjabi.)

i have heard indian sikhs and hindus in uk dont wanna be lumped with pakis and bangladeshis under asian label. sikhs have a reputation of being brave and big whereas pakistani punjabis are seen as pussies. sikh men dance bhangra and women dance gidha whereas pakistanis dont even know about gidha and bhangra. punjabi culture revolve around sikhs.
Jagger
QUOTE(jatt_with_gutts @ Feb 26 2007, 11:42 PM) *

i have heard indian sikhs and hindus in uk dont wanna be lumped with pakis and bangladeshis under asian label. sikhs have a reputation of being brave and big whereas pakistani punjabis are seen as pussies. sikh men dance bhangra and women dance gidha whereas pakistanis dont even know about gidha and bhangra. punjabi culture revolve around sikhs.

Indeed. The Indian Sikhs are the superior master race of South Asia.
ExpressYourself
Does anyone have a picture of that pamphlet or news article where they were instructing how to woo Sikh women? It might have been fake, but I'm trying to look for it and can't find it.
jatt_with_gutts
QUOTE(Jagger @ Feb 26 2007, 07:04 PM) *

Indeed. The Indian Sikhs are the superior master race of South Asia.

its not about sikhs being better than anyone else. wot i mean is real punjabi culture revolved around sikhs. if you go in pakistani punjab, you wil see salwar kamig wearing men everywhere. women wear burkas. punjabi language is fading out of punjab and people speak urdu. all punjabi music is coming out of indian punjab. not many people even know about the existence of pakistani punjab. pakistani punjabis contribution to anything punjabi is zero. moreover indian punjabis have a glow on their faces whereas pakistani punjabis look dull with no life.
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(jatt_with_gutts @ Feb 27 2007, 08:18 PM) *

moreover indian punjabis have a glow on their faces whereas pakistani punjabis look dull with no life.



explain? confused.gif
Jagger
QUOTE(jatt_with_gutts @ Feb 28 2007, 12:18 AM) *

its not about sikhs being better than anyone else. wot i mean is real punjabi culture revolved around sikhs. if you go in pakistani punjab, you wil see salwar kamig wearing men everywhere. women wear burkas. punjabi language is fading out of punjab and people speak urdu. all punjabi music is coming out of indian punjab. not many people even know about the existence of pakistani punjab. pakistani punjabis contribution to anything punjabi is zero. moreover indian punjabis have a glow on their faces whereas pakistani punjabis look dull with no life.

Corrections: Punjabi culture has existed before Sikhism or Islam, Punjabi is still the native language of half of Pakistan's population, Punjabi women in both India and Pakistan wear salwar kameez (and saris in weddings), most of the popular Bhangra music these days is coming from the UK.

And no offense but Punjabis from India and Pakistan all look the same to me. icon_redface.gif
swathi
punjabis are not all about sikhs!!! there are millions of punjabi hindus too....
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