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Hensoldt
Circumcision’s Anti-AIDS Effect Found Greater Than First Thought

By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Published: February 23, 2007

Circumcision may provide even more protection against AIDS than was realized when two clinical trials in Africa were stopped two months ago because the results were so clear, according to studies being published today.

The trials, in Kenya and Uganda, were stopped early by the National Institutes of Health, which was paying for them, because it was apparent that circumcision reduced a man’s risk of contracting AIDS from heterosexual sex by about half. It would have been unethical to continue without offering circumcision to all 8,000 men in the trials, federal health officials said.

That decision, announced on Dec. 13, made headlines around the world and led the two largest funds for fighting AIDS to say they would consider paying for circumcisions in high-risk countries. But the final data from the trials, to be published today in the British medical journal The Lancet, suggest that circumcision reduces a man’s risk by as much as 65 percent.

The December announcement described only the follow-up on the men as originally divided into two groups: those who agreed to be circumcised and those who agreed not to. But some in the first group never went to the circumcision clinic, and some in the second had private circumcisions before the study ended.

Re-evaluating the data, excluding a few men whose H.I.V. status was misdiagnosed during the trial and combining the results of three trials — those in Uganda and Kenya as well as one in South Africa that was stopped in 2005 when the protective effect became apparent — produces a protection rate of about 65 percent.

Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which paid for the trials, said he planned to keep saying officially that circumcision cuts a man’s risk by about half, not by 65 percent, because the validity of clinical trials depends on following randomized groups of patients, not selected ones.

“But, yes, the 65 percent makes me feel better,” he conceded.

“Look,” he added. “This is a one-time, permanent intervention that’s safe when done under the appropriate medical conditions. If we had an AIDS vaccine that was performing as well as this, it would be the talk of the town.”

He said President Bush’s $15 billion AIDS initiative and the World Health Organization were considering paying for circumcisions in high-risk countries, but must work out what training and equipment they would require circumcisers to have.

Daniel Halperin, an AIDS expert at the Harvard Center for Population and Development, noted that the world’s highest rates of infection with H.I.V., the virus that causes AIDS, are in southern African countries like Botswana, Swaziland and South Africa, which are relatively wealthy by African standards and the best prepared to offer safe circumcisions in public hospitals.

Acceptance of circumcision is growing among African men, Dr. Halperin said. Muslims in East and West Africa have long practiced it, as have some ethnic groups.

A review of 13 surveys in different African communities published last year in the journal AIDS and Behavior found that 29 percent to 87 percent of uncircumcised men said they would be willing to be circumcised if it protected them against AIDS.

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I'm thankful that circumcision is part of Philippine customs. madcool.gif

It becomes more evident by looking at how low the Philippines' AIDS prevalence rate, despite of the relatively high population.
santoloco
yep! im so pleased that i have mine cut! pheew* embarassedlaugh.gif

man i really cherish my boy! rockon.gif
Hensoldt
^ It looks good too when circumcised. I'd very much prefer my boy to look like a wehrmacht, than an anteater. embarassedlaugh.gif
Hi Tone
If you have unprotected sex with someone with aids, your going to catch aids.
Remember this when you guys go to a brothel.
Jc2
98% of the Filipino male population are circumcised thats why we are among the countries with the lowest AIDS population

Only 10,000 out of 90,000,000 have AIDS

Let us continue discriminating those supots so we won't end up like Africa or any other places with high AIDS population
agentslayer
QUOTE(Jc2 @ Feb 26 2007, 07:02 PM) [snapback]2753142[/snapback]

98% of the Filipino male population are circumcised thats why we are among the countries with the lowest AIDS population

Only 10,000 out of 90,000,000 have AIDS

Let us continue discriminating those supots so we won't end up like Africa or any other places with high AIDS population



It is underreported.
Hensoldt
^ Filipinos are quite conservative too. We are less likely to do over the top kinky sex acts. We always prefer sex to be in its purest form.

I know some Filipinos are notorious womanizers, but I wonder if they only have like, say 5 women in their lives the most. In contrast to a guy who had 50 sexual partners even before settling down.

Something to think about.

QUOTE(agentslayer @ Feb 26 2007, 07:19 PM) [snapback]2753181[/snapback]

It is underreported.

Supot ka no? laugh.gif
agentslayer
QUOTE(Hensoldt @ Feb 26 2007, 07:22 PM) [snapback]2753185[/snapback]

^ Filipinos are quite conservative too. We are less likely to do over the top kinky sex acts. We always prefer sex to be in its purest form.

I know some Filipinos are notorious womanizers, but I wonder if they only have like, say 5 women in their lives the most. In contrast to a guy who had 50 sexual partners even before settling down.

Something to think about.
Supot ka no? laugh.gif



Yeah, it was my way of denouncing the Catholic faith.

and laugh.gif about the Filipino's kinkiness. Trust me, we are as fu-ked up as any other people in the world. Purest form my @$$. laugh.gif

A man having different children with at least three other woman is considered a medal of honor.
Hensoldt
^ Damn! That's some hefty childsupport payments. I don't need that $hit in my life, man.
ross_diadame
ofcourse... yer prepuce (the skifold) catches viruses etc and higher to those uncircumcised. lots can still cling to the very folds and grow even tho yo washd ... yuck!!! LOL

and pangit ding tignan...

and teh supot thiur... damn i cant blieve thur r still some who are thick-skinned... ROFL eek.gif

ay_naku
QUOTE(Hensoldt @ Mar 1 2007, 03:59 AM) [snapback]2757178[/snapback]

^ Damn! That's some hefty childsupport payments. I don't need that $hit in my life, man.


not necessarily coz' sometimes its the women who support the man despite him being a loser....
Jc2
QUOTE(agentslayer @ Feb 27 2007, 03:10 AM) [snapback]2753690[/snapback]

Yeah, it was my way of denouncing the Catholic faith.


I think most Filipino men are circumcised is not because of religion but because of cultural reasons
kurt123
QUOTE(Jc2 @ Mar 1 2007, 09:34 AM) [snapback]2759071[/snapback]

I think most Filipino men are circumcised is not because of religion but because of cultural reasons

I have to agree with this. Not many kids enjoy being called 'supot'.

Also, even going to all those classes about Roman Catholics, I never heard anything about circumcision as one of the requirements for being a Roman Catholic. Its not even among the seven holy sacraments for RC.
OrientalPearl



fu-ked up people get fu-ked up aids bawling.gif
Suzuka00
i think because it is easy to wear a condom when ur circumcised.
sitataymo
Just wear a condom anyway. If it's not AIDS, it's other forms of VD or unwanted pregnancy contributing to our overpopulation.
Ek-ek
5 women only? Speak to ERAP
Suzuka00
QUOTE(Ek-ek @ Oct 30 2007, 05:56 AM) [snapback]3291891[/snapback]
5 women only? Speak to ERAP

ramon revila sr. has many children.
Ek-ek
He had about 86?
felltohell
cicumcized weiner is aesthetically and medically pleasing....
Iki
who here have done the bayabas or running to the ilog thing?... LMAOOOOOO...
Suzuka00
i think most filos nowadays just circ at birth.
etano
female circumcision ?
jaski
sa middle eastern countries uso to....

Jc2
QUOTE(etano @ Nov 2 2007, 10:31 AM) [snapback]3295620[/snapback]
female circumcision ?


Female circumcision is banned in the Philippines I think, if it's not then they should ban it as soon as possible
iMumble
Heck more males in the Philippines are circumsized than in Israel, a Jewish state.
philfighter
Circumcision here is a symbol of manhood. If you're not circumcised, you are criticized...at least that's what happens during my elementary days.

Still the best contraceptive is abstinence and have sex with your spouse only. The fight on AIDS has made the Catholic Church as the one controlling the scenario. They have the more reason on why people have AIDS and why we are still safe.
astig
Circumcision here is a symbol of manhood. If you're not circumcised, you are criticized...


or you gonna have nickname till you die..like supotski, supot, kupal or kupalski.
P. Bredahl
thats very ignorant
EyEsTrAiN
QUOTE(astig @ Nov 3 2007, 04:35 PM) [snapback]3296996[/snapback]
Circumcision here is a symbol of manhood. If you're not circumcised, you are criticized...


A Filipina would make fun of any pinoy who's not circumcised.
philfighter
QUOTE(P. Bredahl @ Nov 4 2007, 07:18 AM) [snapback]3297093[/snapback]
thats very ignorant

What can you do...it's our culture. beerchug.gif
iMumble
QUOTE(EyEsTrAiN @ Nov 3 2007, 05:48 PM) [snapback]3297111[/snapback]
A Filipina would make fun of any pinoy who's not circumcised.


Dang it's that bad over there?
Sonofvisayas
QUOTE(P. Bredahl @ Nov 3 2007, 07:18 PM) [snapback]3297093[/snapback]
thats very ignorant

Bro it's not too late you can always have it cut biggthumpup.gif

QUOTE(iMumble @ Nov 4 2007, 08:56 AM) [snapback]3297853[/snapback]
Dang it's that bad over there?

Yes! so if you're not cut, dont tell anyone.
P. Bredahl
QUOTE(philfighter @ Nov 4 2007, 09:47 AM) [snapback]3297697[/snapback]
What can you do...it's our culture. beerchug.gif


education.

QUOTE(Sonofvisayas @ Nov 4 2007, 02:04 PM) [snapback]3297858[/snapback]
Bro it's not too late you can always have it cut biggthumpup.gif


Or stick to the facts and natural state as i was born.
Not conform to some ridicolous macho bull$hit set standard or mothers or other girls physical aestehical preferences which is all it is.
Sonofvisayas
Outta boy! it's your call.
EyEsTrAiN
QUOTE(iMumble @ Nov 4 2007, 07:56 AM) [snapback]3297853[/snapback]
Dang it's that bad over there?


The girls are gonna give you that look eek.gif if you tell them ur not circumcised. Filipinos love spreading rumors, so don't speak about it.

QUOTE(P. Bredahl @ Nov 4 2007, 08:05 AM) [snapback]3297861[/snapback]
Not conform to some ridicolous macho bull$hit set standard or mothers or other girls physical aestehical preferences which is all it is.


Better stick with the white girls than. lol
astig
QUOTE(EyEsTrAiN @ Nov 4 2007, 05:26 AM) [snapback]3297909[/snapback]
The girls are gonna give you that look eek.gif if you tell them ur not circumcised. Filipinos love spreading rumors, so don't speak about it.
Better stick with the white girls than. lol

Yup..thats right. Knowing the fact that you're a bonafide SUPOT, a BJ is out of the question.
And if you lack personal hygene down there, dont clean it often, underneath the foreskin of an uncicumcised d!ck leaves a cheeselike stuff we call KUPAL.
And this $hit stinks. If your Pinoy friends or pinay girlfrinds found out, you are going to be famous as your nickname will be BOY KUPHAL.. beerchug.gif
sitataymo
QUOTE(astig @ Nov 5 2007, 04:53 PM) [snapback]3299639[/snapback]
Yup..thats right. Knowing the fact that you're a bonafide SUPOT, a BJ is out of the question.
And if you lack personal hygene down there, dont clean it often, underneath the foreskin of an uncicumcised d!ck leaves a cheeselike stuff we call KUPAL.
And this $hit stinks. If your Pinoy friends or pinay girlfrinds found out, you are going to be famous as your nickname will be BOY KUPHAL.. beerchug.gif

That's alot of details that you're sharing with everyone. I guess you know it from experience. Nice of you to share the knowledge, too explicit though.
Lower the dosage of whatever it is that made you so vulnerable.
philfighter
QUOTE(sitataymo @ Nov 6 2007, 09:11 PM) [snapback]3300591[/snapback]
That's alot of details that you're sharing with everyone. I guess you know it from experience. Nice of you to share the knowledge, too explicit though.
Lower the dosage of whatever it is that made you so vulnerable.

It's an accepted discussion here in the Philippines you know... laugh.gif
Ek-ek
This thread is getting long! We had a lot of this topic in the Philippine chat
Suzuka00
taas
sweet misery
QUOTE(Jc2 @ Nov 2 2007, 09:58 AM) [snapback]3295628[/snapback]
Female circumcision is banned in the Philippines I think, if it's not then they should ban it as soon as possible

pano po ba ung sa female circumcision???
philfighter
^^ Well, they stitch the who so it it'll be smaller. Reason: ??? Probably to avoid sex before marriage. The husband can rip it off lols
film4reel
QUOTE(philfighter @ Dec 21 2007, 04:59 PM) [snapback]3379999[/snapback]
^^ Well, they stitch the who so it it'll be smaller. Reason: ??? Probably to avoid sex before marriage. The husband can rip it off lols


that's not funny. thumbsdown.gif

you have girls dying over this sickening procedure. if they do survive, their genitals are mutilated for life.
P. Bredahl
QUOTE(EyEsTrAiN @ Nov 4 2007, 04:26 PM) [snapback]3297909[/snapback]
Better stick with the white girls than. lol


Ive been with a filipina and even if she told(or already has spread the rumour) why would i honestly care? serisouly? I dont live there im from a civilized country where only 1,6% of males are circumcised(jews/muslims/medical problems) where youre genitals are accepted in their natural state. Nice try though. Although not nearely the same there internatilona laws on female circumcision its very illegal... same should go for babyboys... give them a say in all this too.

Men with foreskin are 1,37% greater risk and out all HIV cases 27% might be caused because of the foreskin. If we take US(80-90% circumcision?) as an example where the rate is around 16 cases of HIV out of 100,000 then what it would take around 25-30,000 circumcisions to prevent 1 case of AIDS and out of those mayeb 40-50 of teh circumcisions are gonna be life threatning... or UK with 80,000 circumcisions to avoid 1 case of AIDS and probably several hundred of those which are gonna end up in complications. Dont even wanna imagine whats gonna happen in Africa if theyre gonna bring all african males under the knife even if they have these cleaner clinics. And in all the years US has had circumcision starting off to stop people from masturbating to stopping blindness and mental illness and now AIDS theres still AIDS in the USA from heterosexual sex.

Next thing the WHO and UN is going to suggest pre-emptive removal of breast tissue or replace a testical with a plastic ball in countries with high risk of breast/testicular cancer. Better yet remove left chest and the penis and have 100% decline in cancer.

Instead of giving up on African WHO and UN(who have a miserable history of fighting AIDS) should educate, educate, educate and educate in a problem that has to do with morals, promiscuity, lifestyle, respect for yourself and women.
Not only is it saying that they can have sex without worrying because theyre circumcised and that they shojuldnt care about condoms, HIV unwanted pregnancy. The Africans are going to continue their sexual habits as long theyre kept unedcated. Circumcised or not.

And about some of your hygiene horrorstories that some of you liek to brag about in case you havent heard theres something called showering... soap and water. an alien concept for some i see. I guess its hard for some of you to believe that you can actually live a perfectly normal life with something that all babyboys are born with when youre lied to in the face all the time. The Catholic church(who have very strong power in some places of africa preaching against the use of condoms) should be against it too when christianaity among other things preaches being "faithfull" and stay waway from random sex e.g. prostitutes... why prevent HIV with such drastic measures when youre supposed to stay with 1 partner? And im done with this fu-king circumcision talk.
philfighter
QUOTE(film4reel @ Dec 22 2007, 08:32 AM) [snapback]3380203[/snapback]
that's not funny. thumbsdown.gif

you have girls dying over this sickening procedure. if they do survive, their genitals are mutilated for life.


Oh my. Sorry for my ignorance. I never knew this. This method is limited to Africa nowadays though icon_neutral.gif
sweet misery
QUOTE(philfighter @ Dec 21 2007, 04:59 PM) [snapback]3379999[/snapback]
^^ Well, they stitch the who so it it'll be smaller. Reason: ??? Probably to avoid sex before marriage. The husband can rip it off lols

ouchhh...im just wondering bout d porn pics of girls exposing the c**t...why is that parang circumsized?!basta it look different talaga,may similarity dun sa male circumcized part. That's why i thought un ung female circumcision mentioned above.
It really freaks me out that i had to check mine if its visible pero hindi talaga eh.

PinoyMogul
what happened to brother Hensoldt? anyone knows?
Patton
QUOTE(kurt123 @ Mar 1 2007, 05:29 PM) [snapback]2760032[/snapback]
I have to agree with this. Not many kids enjoy being called 'supot'.

Also, even going to all those classes about Roman Catholics, I never heard anything about circumcision as one of the requirements for being a Roman Catholic. Its not even among the seven holy sacraments for RC.

I remember once reading that the Catholic Church once tried to supress the practice in the Philippines because they saw it as coming from the influence of Islam.
When done for religious purposes it is pretty much limited to Judism and Islam. The New Testament specifically says that it is not necessary. I think the not even the Seventh Day Adventist who empahsis keeping Old Testament laws teach that circumcision is to be done.
Torete_ako_sa_yo
QUOTE(P. Bredahl @ Dec 21 2007, 07:40 PM) [snapback]3380209[/snapback]
Ive been with a filipina and even if she told(or already has spread the rumour) why would i honestly care? serisouly? I dont live there im from a civilized country where only 1,6% of males are circumcised(jews/muslims/medical problems) where youre genitals are accepted in their natural state. Nice try though. Although not nearely the same there internatilona laws on female circumcision its very illegal... same should go for babyboys... give them a say in all this too.

Men with foreskin are 1,37% greater risk and out all HIV cases 27% might be caused because of the foreskin. If we take US(80-90% circumcision?) as an example where the rate is around 16 cases of HIV out of 100,000 then what it would take around 25-30,000 circumcisions to prevent 1 case of AIDS and out of those mayeb 40-50 of teh circumcisions are gonna be life threatning... or UK with 80,000 circumcisions to avoid 1 case of AIDS and probably several hundred of those which are gonna end up in complications. Dont even wanna imagine whats gonna happen in Africa if theyre gonna bring all african males under the knife even if they have these cleaner clinics. And in all the years US has had circumcision starting off to stop people from masturbating to stopping blindness and mental illness and now AIDS theres still AIDS in the USA from heterosexual sex.

Next thing the WHO and UN is going to suggest pre-emptive removal of breast tissue or replace a testical with a plastic ball in countries with high risk of breast/testicular cancer. Better yet remove left chest and the penis and have 100% decline in cancer.

Instead of giving up on African WHO and UN(who have a miserable history of fighting AIDS) should educate, educate, educate and educate in a problem that has to do with morals, promiscuity, lifestyle, respect for yourself and women.
Not only is it saying that they can have sex without worrying because theyre circumcised and that they shojuldnt care about condoms, HIV unwanted pregnancy. The Africans are going to continue their sexual habits as long theyre kept unedcated. Circumcised or not.

And about some of your hygiene horrorstories that some of you liek to brag about in case you havent heard theres something called showering... soap and water. an alien concept for some i see. I guess its hard for some of you to believe that you can actually live a perfectly normal life with something that all babyboys are born with when youre lied to in the face all the time. The Catholic church(who have very strong power in some places of africa preaching against the use of condoms) should be against it too when christianaity among other things preaches being "faithfull" and stay waway from random sex e.g. prostitutes... why prevent HIV with such drastic measures when youre supposed to stay with 1 partner? And im done with this fu-king circumcision talk.

I don't know about the statistical accuracy of the claim with Aids - but circumcision isn't the answer to the Aids epidemic. But in my view, circumcision is purely a religious and/or cosmetic operation. Religious as in, it symbolizes our inherited covenant between God and Abraham. Cosmetic - some girls simply prefer a cut man, over an uncut man, more so than vise versa. An uncircumcised man has nothing to be ashamed of or fear.

I agree with you. Baby boys shouldn't go through that ordeal, rather they should be properly circumcised at the right age - 8 and above - by a medical professional. I think that's the right context for such an irreversible operation.
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