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Najjiah
check this out....

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Donna was a first class live-in foreign maid, I thought. Like many maids from the Philippines now working in Singapore, she had a high school education plus some college and spoke English fluently. When she came to work for me she had 8 years of experience behind her and great reference from all 3 of her previous employers, a local and 2 expats. The references were genuine for clearly her employers were not motivated by their unwillingness to fork out the cost of repatriating her. They could not all three have lied about her cooking, for example. And she had taken care of a few children with ages ranging from newborn all the way up to 12.





She worked for me for two months and she was really a very good cook. She was equally adept with Chinese as well as western dishes, both of which I enjoy. However, she walked out on me after an incident.

I had refused to give her a key to my apartment so that she could not sneak out when I was out. It was too early for me to trust her completely. I suppose my sixth sense was right. Yesterday she had to have "rempah" or freshly ground spices for preparing my favourite chicken curry. She had supposedly ordered it from our grocer and when the delivery man called, she went downstairs to collect her order, leaving the door to my apartment unlocked.



My 8-year old daughter was taking her shower, getting ready for school. When came out of the bathroom, she saw that the front door was ajar. Just then Donna walked in. When my daughter told me about it that night, I was upset. I thought I should put Donna on notice. Even though it was late, I could not control myself and I went to her room and knocked. It was only 9.30 p.m. so I thought she was still up. She pretended that I had awokened her but I did what I came to do. I did not care to hide my anger and irritation and said to her in a rather unfriendly tone: "If I catch you leaving the house without locking the door again, I will fire you and send you home." To avoid any arguments in future, I put my warning on paper and asked her to acknowledge it.

But when she defiantly refused to sign, giving the excuse that she had to read what it was first, I lost my cool. Does it mean that I have to put up with her sneaking out again in future, leaving the door unlocked? When it became clear to me that she would not sign, I blurted out, "You damn well obey my house rules or get out of my house". I expected her to buckle, apologise and sign. She said, okay, but not tonight. For the moment I let matters stand.



The next morning I had cooled down and I thought that my outburst was sufficient to convince Nida that I meant what I had said. But when I came home later that day, I was shocked to find her waiting for me, with her luggage wide open, inviting me to inspect it. I was stunned. What I blurted out in anger the night before she took to mean literally. Well, I could not back down now and plead with her to stay. So I made a cursory check and let her go.

I would not have found out that she had sneaked out if my daughter had left for school. What if she should in future sneak out only after my daughter had gone and there was no one to blow the whistle on her? I have heard so many horror stories about maids who would not change their ways because their employers were too kind or too soft. So I decided that I had to make a strong impression on her.

http://www.lucky.com.sg/case/byeboss.htm





wow. this dumb singaporean chinese b!tch actually thinks its ok to treat the pinay like a caged animal for 2 months?????. no keys? the maid just left the door open to pick up the groceries downstairs & this is the treatment that she gets? freakin singaporean chekwa whore.



wtf?
mongo
what kinda site is that? a sight that warns people about filipino maids?
Bhaskara
WTF? b!tch!!! She thinks it's okay to keep a human being in her house?

I feel for u, we have similar problems with Indonesian maids abroad too. The best we can do is to make sure they got protection of the law. I think this Nida girls is a smart one, good for her beerchug.gif
JMAC
I will beat Hola's face if he ever does that to his Filipina maid madgo.gif Filipina's shouldnt even tolerate such $hit, give them the big fu-k you!
P. Bredahl
Danish soldiers in Iraq also treat the Filipinos working in the camp like animals.
JMAC
^ really? how so?
KristlehI
I read in a news that there are around 2.5 million FIlipinas working abroad who are at risk of abuse and exploitation. That's sad. icon_sad.gif

Mababa talaga ang tingin sa atin ng mga karatig bansa natin. Hindi naman sa nilalahat ko pero karamihan. Kasi tayong mga pinoy basta kahit anong trabaho kukunin natin para lang makaraos yung pamilya natin. Wala namang kasing kaso kung katulong o tubero yung trabaho pero tayo tingin natin mababang uri sila. Well kung malaki sweldo ng katulong kesa sa engineer ewan ko na lang kung maliitin pa sila.

Most of the Filipinos working overseas are in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Saudi Arabia. Their typical jobs are plumbers, maid, entertainers, etc. Mag Flip pride pa kaya yung mga Fil-Am diyan? hehehehehe biro lang
santoloco
this is old issue guys! icon_sad.gif

remmber Flor Contemplacion? the maid who got hanged in Singapore?

also Sarah Balabagan who got jailed in Saudi Arabia and was abused by her masters. damn she got it worse in jail. lashings every friday! ouch
Mid-Night_Sun
its nice how you bolded all the biased parts. i suppose since you're both flip its ok to leave out that the woman has an 8 year old daughter who almost wandered out because the door was unlocked.

the mother left the care of her kids with someone else, its not unreasonable under those conditions that the doors be kept locked...

in fact, even without the HUGE kids factor, most people lock their doors when they leave...
santoloco
i really cant stand it that other ppl really look down upon us filipinos! but dont wrry, hongkong, taiwan, singapore etc are only launching points for many to get to america. icon_wink.gif
KristlehI
^dibale may araw din yang mga yan. sabi nga nila weather-weather lang yan. hehehehe
santoloco
QUOTE(KristlehI @ Mar 14 2007, 10:17 AM) [snapback]2790857[/snapback]

^dibale may araw din yang mga yan. sabi nga nila weather-weather lang yan. hehehehe


iboto nyo kong presidente! papalakas ko philippine military! sasakupin ko mga bansang yan! rockon.gif

jke biggrin.gif
Sonofvisayas
Ive heard worst shrug.gif but my mom was lucky working for nice people in Bahrain, they treated her like family and up until now after 12 years, my mom and her old employers still talk over the phone once in awhile.
JMAC
QUOTE(Mid-Night_Sun @ Mar 14 2007, 11:07 AM) [snapback]2790841[/snapback]
its nice how you bolded all the biased parts. i suppose since you're both flip its ok to leave out that the woman has an 8 year old daughter who almost wandered out because the door was unlocked.

the mother left the care of her kids with someone else, its not unreasonable under those conditions that the doors be kept locked...

in fact, even without the HUGE kids factor, most people lock their doors when they leave...
while I agree you shouldnt leave little kids unattended this case is just ridiculous, did you read the entire article??? Read!!! geeez, the parent is a controlling b!tch!



How is she suppose to pick up the spices she ordered? The 8 year old daughter is old enough to take a shower by herself, isnt she old enough not to know not to go anywhere? The b!tch clearly mentions just when her daughter got out of the shower the maid just got in, the maid never left the kid unattended for hours and not even minutes.



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I did not care to hide my anger and irritation and said to her in a rather unfriendly tone: "If I catch you leaving the house without locking the door again, I will fire you and send you home."
Is that how you talk to someone? its clearly talking down on someone. How the fu-k can she lock the door if the b!tch refuses to give her the keys??? Thats some dumb b!tch alright. You dont talk to someone that demeaning, no wonder she refuses to cooperate.



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I would not have found out that she had sneaked out if my daughter had left for school. What if she should in future sneak out only after my daughter had gone and there was no one to blow the whistle on her? I have heard so many horror stories about maids who would not change their ways because their employers were too kind or too soft. So I decided that I had to make a strong impression on her.
What the fu-k is she? A fu-kin prisoner? Sounds like those fu-kin Singaporeans think maids are lower class citizens they can control and keep just inside the house.



Give me a break, anyone with their right mind wouldnt act like the way this Singaporean b!tch did, unless you're biased.

She did the right thing and left the employer, she doesnt need to be treated like that and be controlled like that.
santoloco
QUOTE(JMAC @ Mar 14 2007, 12:17 PM) [snapback]2791057[/snapback]

while I agree you shouldnt leave little kids unattended this case is just ridiculous, did you read the entire article??? Read!!! geeez, the parent is a controlling b!tch!



How is she suppose to pick up the spices she ordered? The 8 year old daughter is old enough to take a shower by herself, isnt she old enough not to know not to go anywhere? The b!tch clearly mentions just when her daughter got out of the shower the maid just got in, the maid never left the kid unattended for hours and not even minutes.



Is that how you talk to someone? its clearly talking down on someone. How the fu-k can she lock the door if the b!tch refuses to give her the keys??? Thats some dumb b!tch alright. You dont talk to someone that demeaning, no wonder she refuses to cooperate.



What the fu-k is she? A fu-kin prisoner? Sounds like those fu-kin Singaporeans think maids are lower class citizens they can control and keep just inside the house.



Give me a break, anyone with their right mind wouldnt act like the way this Singaporean b!tch did, unless you're biased.

She did the right thing and left the employer, she doesnt need to be treated like that and be controlled like that.


JMAC bowdown.gif
BatangDamo
You tell em JMAC, sadly... most poor people in Pinas end up with this kind of jobs when seeking a better work outside the country.
Hensoldt
It's a sad fact that maids, construction workers and the likes are menial jobs. It just blows my mind why educated Filipinos would willing take such menial work. Sure they would earn more in other countries, but they're just throwing away the education they attained, not to mention their dignity for a few more cash.

OFWs should stay away from Asian countries and the middle east, especially the educated OFWs.

I'd say GO WEST! Preferably to the US, Canada and Europe. Heck even Filipino maids and cooks in Italy and Spain get a lot better treatment and are protected by laws of those countries. They also get a greater opportunity for growth and professional development in the west.

And other Asians wonder why Filipinos are westernized? sure.gif

QUOTE(KristlehI @ Mar 14 2007, 07:00 AM) [snapback]2790834[/snapback]

Most of the Filipinos working overseas are in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Saudi Arabia. Their typical jobs are plumbers, maid, entertainers, etc. Mag Flip pride pa kaya yung mga Fil-Am diyan? hehehehehe biro lang


Hmpf!!! madgo.gif Tse! tongue.gif
santoloco
QUOTE(Hensoldt @ Mar 14 2007, 02:10 PM) [snapback]2791226[/snapback]

It's a sad fact that maids, construction workers and the likes are menial jobs. It just blows my mind why educated Filipinos would willing take such menial work. Sure they would earn more in other countries, but they're just throwing away the education they attained, not to mention their dignity for a few more cash.




many do it to save up a bit then go back to school because other countries dont trust our education. icon_confused.gif
Hensoldt
QUOTE(santoloco @ Mar 14 2007, 12:42 PM) [snapback]2791343[/snapback]

many do it to save up a bit then go back to school because other countries dont trust our education. icon_confused.gif

Working in fastfoods, security or in the mall in the west to put oneself to school is much much better than being subjected to maltreatment working in those pseudo civilized countries. Mid east and other Asian countries are notorious for ill-treating foreign workers in their country. I'd say they should look else where for their manpower needs, the west is where Filipinos thrive and flourish.
*promo
looks like she got an educated one.

her out burst was uncalled for.

........I'm just pissed how this other asians think of Filos.
santoloco
QUOTE(Hensoldt @ Mar 14 2007, 05:42 PM) [snapback]2791454[/snapback]

Working in fastfoods, security or in the mall in the west to put oneself to school is much much better than being subjected to maltreatment working in those pseudo civilized countries. Mid east and other Asian countries are notorious for ill-treating foreign workers in their country. I'd say they should look else where for their manpower needs, the west is where Filipinos thrive and flourish.


like i said, those other asian countries are launching points for many juz to get to the west. many struggle to get visas coming straight from the philippines and its easier to get it while working or living in the countries mentioned above. infact my dad is pickin up a friend at the airport tommorow fresh from hongkong! icon_confused.gif icon_wink.gif
Hensoldt
QUOTE(santoloco @ Mar 14 2007, 04:12 PM) [snapback]2791584[/snapback]

like i said, those other asian countries are launching points for many juz to get to the west. many struggle to get visas coming straight from the philippines and its easier to get it while working or living in the countries mentioned above. infact my dad is pickin up a friend at the airport tommorow fresh from hongkong! icon_confused.gif icon_wink.gif

Good for him. biggthumpup.gif

I think the problem with getting visas, tourist visas in particular is because it is contantly abused by some of our countrymen. Why won't they just apply for an immigrant visa or workers visa, especially if they are a nursing graduate? It would be much easier to get those, if one has the proper credentials.
santoloco
QUOTE(Hensoldt @ Mar 14 2007, 08:00 PM) [snapback]2791652[/snapback]

Good for him. biggthumpup.gif

I think the problem with getting visas, tourist visas in particular is because it is contantly abused by some of our countrymen. Why won't they just apply for an immigrant visa or workers visa, especially if they are a nursing graduate? It would be much easier to get those, if one has the proper credentials.


actually its a her. embarassedlaugh.gif

thats hard to do since not everyone in the philippines apply with nursing degrees. it might have been easier before, but at these times its very hard especially after hightened security and standards due to some recent unfortunate events.
RL33
QUOTE(Mid-Night_Sun @ Mar 14 2007, 07:07 AM) [snapback]2790841[/snapback]

its nice how you bolded all the biased parts. i suppose since you're both flip its ok to leave out that the woman has an 8 year old daughter who almost wandered out because the door was unlocked.

the mother left the care of her kids with someone else, its not unreasonable under those conditions that the doors be kept locked...

in fact, even without the HUGE kids factor, most people lock their doors when they leave...


Can you honestly say thats an environment that you want to be in?? Your required to do menial tasks that you are way overqualified over, then you are given limited access ( no keys) because they think you nothing more than a common thief and cannot be trusted. Not to mention that you were actually recommended by previous employers because you are known for being good at your profession.

fu-k that $hit!!! that stupid b!tch of a control freak can microwave her own cup noodles.
Hensoldt
QUOTE(santoloco @ Mar 14 2007, 05:06 PM) [snapback]2791657[/snapback]

actually its a her. embarassedlaugh.gif

thats hard to do since not everyone in the philippines apply with nursing degrees. it might have been easier before, but at these times its very hard especially after hightened security and standards due to some recent unfortunate events.

As for the nursing exam fiasco, heads are still rolling as we speak. icon_twisted.gif

I believe working visas will be much easier to acquire in the very near future because the NCLEX (American nursing board exam) will be available in the Philippines. biggthumpup.gif

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NCLEX® Examinations To Be Offered in the Philippines Through Pearson VUE
Wednesday February 21, 8:47 am ET
NCSBN approves a Pearson Professional Center test site in Manila, Philippines for international NCLEX examination delivery


BLOOMINGTON, Minn., Feb. 21 /PRNewswire/ -- Following the successful implementation of the NCLEX® examination at Pearson Professional Centers in sites throughout the world, the National Council of State Boards of Nursing (NCSBN) has authorized Pearson VUE to expand testing availability for the examination to a site in Manila, the capital of the Philippines.

"We've been exploring test administration in the Philippines for some time; however, security is a critical issue for us. By utilizing the latest in biometric technology in its owned and operated network of Pearson Professional Centers, the NCSBN will be able to provide greater customer service to nurses without compromising the integrity of the NCLEX examination process," said Casey Marks, PhD, Associate Executive Director, Business Operations.

Robert Whelan, president of Pearson VUE added, "The NCSBN places a high value on protecting the integrity of its exam administration process, and we not only echo that sentiment, we back it up -- by providing an unparalleled, patented security solution in each Pearson Professional Center. We are pleased to offer nurse candidates in the Philippines the most consistent and secure testing experience possible."

The Manila, Philippines, site will join the following Pearson VUE locations in offering NCLEX testing: London, England; Seoul, South Korea; Hong Kong; Sydney, Australia; Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver, Canada; Frankfurt, Germany; Mumbai, New Delhi, Hyderabad, Bangalore, and Chennai, India; Mexico City, Mexico; Taipei, Taiwan; and Chiyoda-ku and Yokohama, Japan. The NCLEX examination is also available at over 200 Pearson Professional Centers throughout the United States and its territories.

Intended for the purposes of domestic nurse licensure in U.S. states and territories, all security policies and procedures currently used to administer the NCLEX examination domestically will be fully implemented at the Pearson Professional Center in Manila. At this time, no schedule of implementation has been set.
Mid-Night_Sun
QUOTE(JMAC @ Mar 14 2007, 02:17 PM) [snapback]2791057[/snapback]

while I agree you shouldnt leave little kids unattended this case is just ridiculous, did you read the entire article??? Read!!! geeez, the parent is a controlling b!tch!



How is she suppose to pick up the spices she ordered? The 8 year old daughter is old enough to take a shower by herself, isnt she old enough not to know not to go anywhere? The b!tch clearly mentions just when her daughter got out of the shower the maid just got in, the maid never left the kid unattended for hours and not even minutes.


yeah i did...

1. if anything happened to the child while the maid was out, ESPECIALLY, if its because the door was unlocked and she got out or someone came in, she would be charged with negligance.

2. also, your assumption is stupid. 8 year olds are supposed to know alot of things, but that doesnt excuse responsiblity.kids arent supposed to run out into the road, doesnt mean you take a nap when your 8 yr olds are playing tag on a street.

3. the mother was rude, but it was after she was scared for her child. theres nothing wrong with the mom wanting to make sure the maid doesnt leave her house, without locking the doors, while her kids are there.

4. she went downstairs to get the spices she ordered right? which means they do delivery. all she had to do was say, "bring it to apartment #____". even room service in hotels bring it to your door, they dont leave it in the lobby...

overall, the mother did nothing wrong. she was rude, but she didnt do anything wrong. she saw an issue, and decided to try and fix it with a legal document. if the maid just told the deliverer to bring it to the apartment none of this would have happened. it was also the mothers personal choice not to give the maid the keys. the maid didnt have the keys because she isnt supposed to go outside. unless there is a law there that says maids get to have time off to leave the house during work hours, nothing can be established based on pure...feelings. fact is we dont have a copy of the contract the maid was bound to, so everyones personal feelings about her not being allowed to go outside is irrelevant, especially if the maid signed a contract that didnt say she had to be able to.

(also note the maid was smart enough not to sign the second document, so shes not stupid or tricked. she entered into a legal agreement the first time with no problem and began working. keys apparently wasnt an issue to her)
JMAC
QUOTE(Mid-Night_Sun @ Mar 14 2007, 09:38 PM) [snapback]2791699[/snapback]


yeah i did...

1. if anything happened to the child while the maid was out, ESPECIALLY, if its because the door was unlocked and she got out or someone came in, she would be charged with negligance.

Yes. The maid would be responsible if something happened to the child. Did anything happened? No, the child was taking a shower, the maid knowing that the child is taking a shower took the opportunity to multi-task so she would save time.

QUOTE(Mid-Night_Sun @ Mar 14 2007, 09:38 PM) [snapback]2791699[/snapback]

2. also, your assumption is stupid. 8 year olds are supposed to know alot of things, but that doesnt excuse responsiblity.kids arent supposed to run out into the road, doesnt mean you take a nap when your 8 yr olds are playing tag on a street.

If the kid went outside then she would've run into the maid who's just outside taking the delivered product. The kid was taking a shower inside the house and the maid wasnt sleeping just performing other task. Your comparative argument is weak.

QUOTE(Mid-Night_Sun @ Mar 14 2007, 09:38 PM) [snapback]2791699[/snapback]

3. the mother was rude, but it was after she was scared for her child. theres nothing wrong with the mom wanting to make sure the maid doesnt leave her house, without locking the doors, while her kids are there.

Then give the fu-kin keys to the maid. icon_rolleyes.gif Wheres the argument there? icon_rolleyes.gif
QUOTE(Mid-Night_Sun @ Mar 14 2007, 09:38 PM) [snapback]2791699[/snapback]

4. she went downstairs to get the spices she ordered right? which means they do delivery. all she had to do was say, "bring it to apartment #____". even room service in hotels bring it to your door, they dont leave it in the lobby...

The fact is, she HAD to go get it outside meaning she was probably ordered to do so. She was only doing her job.

QUOTE(Mid-Night_Sun @ Mar 14 2007, 09:38 PM) [snapback]2791699[/snapback]

overall, the mother did nothing wrong. she was rude, but she didnt do anything wrong. she saw an issue, and decided to try and fix it with a legal document. if the maid just told the deliverer to bring it to the apartment none of this would have happened. it was also the mothers personal choice not to give the maid the keys. the maid didnt have the keys because she isnt supposed to go outside. unless there is a law there that says maids get to have time off to leave the house during work hours, nothing can be established based on pure...feelings. fact is we dont have a copy of the contract the maid was bound to, so everyones personal feelings about her not being allowed to go outside is irrelevant, especially if the maid signed a contract that didnt say she had to be able to.

(also note the maid was smart enough not to sign the second document, so shes not stupid or tricked. she entered into a legal agreement the first time with no problem and began working. keys apparently wasnt an issue to her)
Hahahah thats where you're wrong. The Singaporean b!tch is a controlling dumbass. She saw an issue, well address the issue properly and civilize. icon_rolleyes.gif Well it just happens that shes a b!tch.

The maid does alot of things, if she had a choice of doing less job, a maid would choose that option, it would be illogical for a maid to voluteer to do more task if she had the option of not doing so, if the delivery guy can deliver up to the door, the maid would just appreciate that. But the FACT is she HAD to get the delivery outside.

Theres no need to have a copy of the contract, the b!tch clearly says "she didnt trust the maid" so its purely from her. The maid had very good reference.

Obviously who would sign the stupid @$$ contract, I would've shoved down her throat. The way the b!tch talked to her is enough to be frowned upon.

Man...who the fu-k these Singaporeans think they are, how they can treat maids like these...pathetic....
Mid-Night_Sun
QUOTE(JMAC @ Mar 14 2007, 11:00 PM) [snapback]2791730[/snapback]

Yes. The maid would be responsible if something happened to the child. Did anything happened? No, the child was taking a shower, the maid knowing that the child is taking a shower took the opportunity to multi-task so she would save time.


If the kid went outside then she would've run into the maid who's just outside taking the delivered product. The kid was taking a shower inside the house and the maid wasnt sleeping just performing other task. Your comparative argument is weak.


Then give the fu-kin keys to the maid. icon_rolleyes.gif Wheres the argument there? icon_rolleyes.gif

The fact is, she HAD to go get it outside meaning she was probably ordered to do so. She was only doing her job.

Hahahah thats where you're wrong. The Singaporean b!tch is a controlling dumbass. She saw an issue, well address the issue properly and civilize. icon_rolleyes.gif Well it just happens that shes a b!tch.

The maid does alot of things, if she had a choice of doing less job, a maid would choose that option, it would be illogical for a maid to voluteer to do more task if she had the option of not doing so, if the delivery guy can deliver up to the door, the maid would just appreciate that. But the FACT is she HAD to get the delivery outside.

Theres no need to have a copy of the contract, the b!tch clearly says "she didnt trust the maid" so its purely from her. The maid had very good reference.

Obviously who would sign the stupid @$$ contract, I would've shoved down her throat. The way the b!tch talked to her is enough to be frowned upon.

Man...who the fu-k these Singaporeans think they are, how they can treat maids like these...pathetic....


you are assuming you know when the kid went in to take a shower and how long the kid takes.

now you somehow know what the apartment looks like. ive been in a few myself, theres ALWAYS more than one way out. my comparative argument has as much weight as your assumptions that a child knows not to run outside. calling it "weak" isnt going to change the fact that people, even adults, do things they arent supposed to. which is why there is something called responsibility.

the mother said she didnt trust the maid with keys...thats the argument. its her preference...

now you are being unreasonable, theres no reason why a delivery person cant just bring it to the apartment. the maid just wasnt thinking to ask. so its not fact she had to go anywhere. its DELIVERY. go look up what that means. at the extremeeeee least, she could have at least waited till the child was out and told her she was going out for a second. that also would have prevented all this.

the "b!tch" did go about it in a civil and legal manner. she was rude, but the method is well within her legal rights AND a much cooler response than alot of members on here, including you.

...wow...yeah, the contract isnt important...you realize a contract is made so things like this are outlined and there isnt any confusion who is wrong right? jeez...

now you go and judge a whole group of people. are you flip? you clearly cant look at this objectively and all your arguments would be slaughtered in court.
education
I have a real problem with certain individuals and the language there using if your going to condemn anything then condemn the actions of these two individuals and not an entire group of people. First off the singaporean lady or the chinese bi*ch or chewka as some of you have already so eloquently put it was a complete harda** and extremely unreasonable if you really had some hidden vandetta regarding a certain group then you shouldnt have even hired them, but as such when you do hire them you have an obligation that means more then just paying there wages it also means treating them with respect and courtesy something which I honestly felt she didnt do and it showed.

However with that being said alot of people here have brought race into this arguement and it never said specifically in this article that race even played a factor? So unless you guys are going on concrete facts here or just making wild assumptions then I would strongly urge you to revise what you say. Ultimately and I do mean ultimately the mother was wrong here and Ill tell you why. As a boss and somebody who hires a maid you are the one responsible in planning for any possible scenario that might occur from any situation as a mother you should be able to figure out that at some point in time you were going to have to provide the maid with her own set of keys in situations like this where she will be forced to step out for a couple of seconds. Alot of you ask why its such a big deal that she only left the door open for a couple of seconds and Ill tell you why its a big deal because chinese parents in general worry. And I know this because I experienced this with my mom. I live in an apartment and everytime I go out to throw the garbage down the chute I make it a habit to lock the door even though it only takes me less then 30 secs but in that 30 secs somebody could sneak into your apartment and you wouldnt know it until its to late especially with my particular suite which is located right beside the stairs its even easier for strangers to break in.

But having said that it still doesnt excuse the behavior of the boss because you cant tell somebody to lock the door when she doesnt have the key I can understand her getting upset if she had given her keys and she still didnt use it but in this case I do think its her fault but I also think it could be attributed to cultural differences. Chinese people are just more worrisome and conservative and safety of our family is a huge priority I think we just show it in different ways and it comes off as anal to others.

*And Najaih seriously what is up with your racial comments I thought we had this talk before?

Kian Seng
QUOTE(*promo @ Mar 14 2007, 05:04 PM) [snapback]2791479[/snapback]

looks like she got an educated one.

her out burst was uncalled for.

........I'm just pissed how this other asians think of Filos.


Thats why I think we should ignore what other think about us. We are who we are and we shouldn't change, It seems at least in Philippines people are happy.
Bhaskara
Gee, midnight sun, u're as dim as ur name. The fact is u cannot keep a human being inside ur house as if she's a pet, period. This goes to every race in the world, so it's not about being racist or sumthin. If it was an American b!tch or an Arabian b!tch, she'd still be a b!tch, no need to be biased just because shw is a Chinese
education
Well apparantly it is racial. Look at what the thread starter and others have already said and tell me who you think is the one thats bringing up race in a matter thats purely not about race?


QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Mar 14 2007, 11:23 PM) [snapback]2791887[/snapback]

Gee, midnight sun, u're as dim as ur name. The fact is u cannot keep a human being inside ur house as if she's a pet, period. This goes to every race in the world, so it's not about being racist or sumthin. If it was an American b!tch or an Arabian b!tch, she'd still be a b!tch, no need to be biased just because shw is a Chinese

Mid-Night_Sun
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Mar 15 2007, 12:23 AM) [snapback]2791887[/snapback]

Gee, midnight sun, u're as dim as ur name. The fact is u cannot keep a human being inside ur house as if she's a pet, period. This goes to every race in the world, so it's not about being racist or sumthin. If it was an American b!tch or an Arabian b!tch, she'd still be a b!tch, no need to be biased just because shw is a Chinese


you're kidding...you are going to make fun of my freakin account name?

i believe you are the one who is "dim". its not fact. the only way she "cant" keep the maid in the house is if the contract said that the maid is allowed to go outside during work hours. the mother didnt give her the keys and said she didnt want the maid sneaking out, meaning it WASNT in the contract to allow her to do so, otherwise its a breach of contract.

i hate it when people like you try and force your own code of ethics on the whole world.

last but most importantly, shes from Singapore, i live in Canada, and my roots go to HK, not Singapore.

but lets say i was, fuk, lets say i was her freakin relative. SHOW ME where what i have said is bias. ALL my arguments are based on law and common sense, i havent even mentioned any ethnicities and certainly didnt draw any conclusions based on them.

thank you come again.
KristlehI
ano ba yan? masyadong defensive ang mga lahing lumpia. hehehehe. may intense analysis pa silang nalalaman may panumber-number pa. hindi lang naman yang website na yan yung pagbabasehan. ang dami daming kaso kung saan umuuwing bangkay o traumatized yung mga Pinay maids.
hehehehe
RL33
QUOTE(education @ Mar 14 2007, 06:39 PM) [snapback]2791794[/snapback]

I have a real problem with certain individuals and the language there using if your going to condemn anything then condemn the actions of these two individuals and not an entire group of people. First off the singaporean lady or the chinese bi*ch or chewka as some of you have already so eloquently put it was a complete harda** and extremely unreasonable if you really had some hidden vandetta regarding a certain group then you shouldnt have even hired them, but as such when you do hire them you have an obligation that means more then just paying there wages it also means treating them with respect and courtesy something which I honestly felt she didnt do and it showed.

*And Najaih seriously what is up with your racial comments I thought we had this talk before?


Just to let you know chekwa is not a racist term, its filipino slang for chinese similar to hispanic term chino which we also use sometimes.
education
Well it doesnt matter what it is now does it especially when said in a manner like f*cking singaporean chewka(chinese) whore??? Would you be any less offended if I said f*cking american flip whore?

QUOTE(RL33 @ Mar 15 2007, 01:16 AM) [snapback]2792091[/snapback]

Just to let you know chekwa is not a racist term, its filipino slang for chinese similar to hispanic term chino which we also use sometimes.

KristlehI
well, since it's american flip whore, no. hehehehe. for filipinos in the Phils. "flip" doesn't mean a thing. the american-flip whores might get offended. but not me. hehehehe. joke joke joke. relax. take it easy. cool down. biggrin.gif your role in AF is something like education - defender of chinese culture and dignity. hehehe. kiddin'... relaks and chillax dude. biggrin.gif hehehehe

-from your fellow chekwa, kristleh biggrin.gif
bari
I think THAT B!tch is rascist!!!! I mean everyone can see, that she is not taking the maid as human being with dignity.... lets show some respect people!!!! i can see none in that article! and i ddont know why it IS that big issue to that B!TCH about the keys thing???? is Singapore that dangerous??? i thought the philippines was a more dangerous place... but now I wonder!!!! heck! we do not lock our doors at daytime. arent they friends with their apartment mates or sumthing? what kind of place is that???
JMAC
@midnightssun
I do apologize for using the ethnicity then a foul word but because I found it fu-kin ridiculous, how many times I've heard so many horror stories not online but from a cousin, an aunt or relative's friends experiences in Singapore, Middle-East, etc... You have the right to call me there.

I suppose having 8 tears of experience and 3 good reference doesn't mean $hit to anyone huh? Its a question of trust and treating a maid like a human being. We had live in maids back in the Philippines, we had numereous ones actually, yet we treat them like family, they can go out whenever they want to if they need to as long as its part of the job and they're doing what they're suppose to do. If they have to go buy groceries its fu-kin obvious they have to go outside and buy them. We treat them equally, we dont talk down on them either.

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you are assuming you know when the kid went in to take a shower and how long the kid takes.
It was documented the kid got out of the shower then the maid got in. I assuming the maid would know her routine already since shes been with them for the past 2 months, shes been a caretaker for the past 8 years, you dont think she doesnt know what shes doing??? 3 good reference and this b!tch comes up?! ridiculous.


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now you somehow know what the apartment looks like. ive been in a few myself, theres ALWAYS more than one way out. my comparative argument has as much weight as your assumptions that a child knows not to run outside. calling it "weak" isnt going to change the fact that people, even adults, do things they arent supposed to. which is why there is something called responsibility.
I live in an apartment. I dont know how their apartment looks like and you dont either. You comparative argument cannot be compared to what happened, she didnt take a nap or anything, the kid was inside taking a shower so she took the opportunity to take the delivery while she had the knowledge that the kid was in the shower. You dont know how maids do it, you dont know how its like being a maid do you? my mom was a caretaker when she got here to Canada, took care of 2 kids since they were 5 and 7 until 8 and 10, you simply cant do a choir at a time, you have to multi-task or else you would never finish your job, the maid is simply multi-tasking. You have to be efficient. Im not saying all maids are perfect but if someone has 8 years experience and her last 3 reference are good, like wtf..why you have to treat someone like that? icon_rolleyes.gif

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the mother said she didnt trust the maid with keys...thats the argument. its her preference...
Yes its her preference not to trust the maid and treating her like $hit. Then she shouldnt complain why the door was unlocked because she didnt have the keys. She was never given the keys. If she had the keys then she could;ve locked the doors and properly function on her job. How hard is that?



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now you are being unreasonable, theres no reason why a delivery person cant just bring it to the apartment. the maid just wasnt thinking to ask. so its not fact she had to go anywhere. its DELIVERY. go look up what that means. at the extremeeeee least, she could have at least waited till the child was out and told her she was going out for a second. that also would have prevented all this.
Well WE dont know why the delivery person didnt deliver it to her doorstep, Im sure the maid would've prefered it to be delivered to her doorstep. A maid does alot of things and Im sure she would prefer if her work can be less. Why would she had to go down and pick it up? Thats extra work.
1) Delivery person cant deliver it to her doorstep.(Beats the purpose of delivery like you said)
2) She didnt ask the delivery person to deliver it to her doorstep. (Now why would she choose something that requires more effort? Doesnt make sense)
If she knew the delivery person can deliver it to her, she would've made the decision, why not? I dont know but shes been a maid for 8 friggin' years with 3 good references, Im sure she knows whats shes doing and shes not dumb. So ask yourself that. Im sure she got deliveries before and know how to handle them.

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the "b!tch" did go about it in a civil and legal manner. she was rude, but the method is well within her legal rights AND a much cooler response than alot of members on here, including you.
The "b!tch" DID NOT go about it in a civil manner! She was rude alright but its her right to question the maid but not in a rude way, you call that a cool response? icon_rolleyes.gif

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She pretended that I had awokened her but I did what I came to do. I did not care to hide my anger and irritation and said to her in a rather unfriendly tone: "If I catch you leaving the house without locking the door again, I will fire you and send you home." To avoid any arguments in future, I put my warning on paper and asked her to acknowledge it.
Look at how she reacted, "unfriendly tone". How is someone suppose to react from a threat like that? icon_rolleyes.gif

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I blurted out, "You damn well obey my house rules or get out of my house". I expected her to buckle, apologise and sign.
If you call that civil then you have problems. I would;ve b!tch slapped that b!tch.

The maid should have never "made' her favourite chicken curry, how does she expect the maid to do her job if she limits what she does and treats her like that for making her food, fu-kin ridiculous. Its like saying water the plants on the garden but you cant go outside. How the hell are you suppose to do that?

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...wow...yeah, the contract isnt important...you realize a contract is made so things like this are outlined and there isnt any confusion who is wrong right? jeez...

the contract is important however she never mentioned that it was in the contract, she clearly stated she just didnt trust her, you have no proof it was in the contract, it was only her decision not to trust her, her preference like you said. If it was on the contract then the maid would've already understood the guidelines or not, she could easily not agree or not.

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you clearly cant look at this objectively and all your arguments would be slaughtered in court.
I'll take your challenge if my argument would be slaughtered in court.

People thesedays treat other people like low class citizens just because they're either a blue collar worker or with jobs like maid, janitor, waitress, taxi driver, etc...People fail to treat others humanely, like how they also want to be treated. The "b!tch" isn't a trustfull person, shes a paranoid maniac and a controlling @$$. If you want to be treated well, treat others well and many maids are victims of being treated inhumanely.

Im sorry but if people cannot relate nor have a good relationship with people around them, they will fail miserably.

@education, I do apologize my generalization. My ignorant generalization was due to frustration upon hearing thesame stories numerous times. The maid could have been culturally sensitive and aware of such mentality as she had previous local experience but from what happened I assume she never expected it as she just walked away.
RL33
QUOTE(education @ Mar 15 2007, 02:20 AM) [snapback]2792590[/snapback]

Well it doesnt matter what it is now does it especially when said in a manner like f*cking singaporean chewka(chinese) whore??? Would you be any less offended if I said f*cking american flip whore?


No I wouldn't be offended at all flip means nothing me(or most filipinos) nor am I american. Most people in Fil chat will definitely always side with the maids here, we have heard this type of story many times before, its nothing new. Its not enough that these women have to sacrifice their dignity and bodies but they are treated like criminals.
santoloco
oh damn i hate reading long replies! please refrain from doing that nex time, i lose my urge. icon_rolleyes.gif
Mid-Night_Sun
QUOTE(JMAC @ Mar 15 2007, 10:28 AM) [snapback]2792700[/snapback]

I do apologize for using the ethnicity then a foul word but because I found it fu-kin ridiculous, how many times I've heard so many horror stories not online but from a cousin, an aunt or relative's friends experiences in Singapore, Middle-East, etc... You have the right to call me there.

I suppose having 8 tears of experience and 3 good reference doesn't mean $hit to anyone huh? Its a question of trust and treating a maid like a human being. We had live in maids back in the Philippines, we had numereous ones actually, yet we treat them like family, they can go out whenever they want to if they need to as long as its part of the job and they're doing what they're suppose to do. If they have to go buy groceries its fu-kin obvious they have to go outside and buy them. We treat them equally, we dont talk down on them either.

thats nice, but its still your families preference. unless the contract said she had to be nice to the maid (which i doubt) it wasnt illegal. being rude is not illegal unfortunately.

It was documented the kid got out of the shower then the maid got in. I assuming the maid would know her routine already since shes been with them for the past 2 months, shes been a caretaker for the past 8 years, you dont think she doesnt know what shes doing??? 3 good reference and this b!tch comes up?! ridiculous.

i agree she would have an idea, but knowing how long someone takes a shower isnt realistic to me. sometimes i take 15 min showers, sometimes 30, sometimes im in there for an hour...there isnt a set time for me. cant assume the kid has a set time. even if the kid did, then why wouldnt the maid just wait till she was done and told her she was going? say i agree with you, the maid knows when the kid is done the shower, why couldnt she just wait a bit for the kid to come out then tell her?

I live in an apartment. I dont know how their apartment looks like and you dont either. You comparative argument cannot be compared to what happened, she didnt take a nap or anything, the kid was inside taking a shower so she took the opportunity to take the delivery while she had the knowledge that the kid was in the shower. You dont know how maids do it, you dont know how its like being a maid do you? my mom was a caretaker when she got here to Canada, took care of 2 kids since they were 5 and 7 until 8 and 10, you simply cant do a choir at a time, you have to multi-task or else you would never finish your job, the maid is simply multi-tasking. You have to be efficient. Im not saying all maids are perfect but if someone has 8 years experience and her last 3 reference are good, like wtf..why you have to treat someone like that? icon_rolleyes.gif

i only mentioned how the apartment looked because you said theres only one way out. which most likely isnt true, you cant build buildings with only one way out, i know because i have family who builds buildings. there are codes set by the city builders have to follow. this would fall under the fire safety section. my...example just happened to use a nap, the common theme is about responsibility and negligance. im not a maid, i dont know any maids, dont know anyone that has them except maybe some relatives back in HK, that part is true.

Yes its her preference not to trust the maid and treating her like $hit. Then she shouldnt complain why the door was unlocked because she didnt have the keys. She was never given the keys. If she had the keys then she could;ve locked the doors and properly function on her job. How hard is that?

yeah, she didnt trust the maid, didnt give the keys. the mother didnt want the maid going out. when she said the maid should have locked the doors, it was a hypathetical situation because its clear she never intended the maid leave in the first place, and she stated that.


Well WE dont know why the delivery person didnt deliver it to her doorstep, Im sure the maid would've prefered it to be delivered to her doorstep. A maid does alot of things and Im sure she would prefer if her work can be less. Why would she had to go down and pick it up? Thats extra work.
1) Delivery person cant deliver it to her doorstep.(Beats the purpose of delivery like you said)
2) She didnt ask the delivery person to deliver it to her doorstep. (Now why would she choose something that requires more effort? Doesnt make sense)
If she knew the delivery person can deliver it to her, she would've made the decision, why not? I dont know but shes been a maid for 8 friggin' years with 3 good references, Im sure she knows whats shes doing and shes not dumb. So ask yourself that. Im sure she got deliveries before and know how to handle them.

its clear the maid just thought she could go down and pick it up with nothing happening. with the experience under her, she probably didnt feel it was a big deal to just go down and bring the stuff up. what people arent understanding is...its a big deal to a mother.

The "b!tch" DID NOT go about it in a civil manner! She was rude alright but its her right to question the maid but not in a rude way, you call that a cool response? icon_rolleyes.gif

Look at how she reacted, "unfriendly tone". How is someone suppose to react from a threat like that? icon_rolleyes.gif

If you call that civil then you have problems. I would;ve b!tch slapped that b!tch.

The maid should have never "made' her favourite chicken curry, how does she expect the maid to do her job if she limits what she does and treats her like that for making her food, fu-kin ridiculous. Its like saying water the plants on the garden but you cant go outside. How the hell are you suppose to do that?
the contract is important however she never mentioned that it was in the contract, she clearly stated she just didnt trust her, you have no proof it was in the contract, it was only her decision not to trust her, her preference like you said. If it was on the contract then the maid would've already understood the guidelines or not, she could easily not agree or not.

like i said many times, she was rude, but it was civil, even when compared with responses here. look, you just said you would have slapped her. thats assault, the mother easily could have done something like that, but she went for a signed legal document. there was no doubt she was pissed too. i dont know where you live, or how it works around there, but here, when people are pissed, they get violent, they dont whip out legal papers. trust me, for a mother who was concerned for her child, she did a very calm thing (especially when you take into account she didnt trust the maid)

I'll take your challenge if my argument would be slaughtered in court.

People thesedays treat other people like low class citizens just because they're either a blue collar worker or with jobs like maid, janitor, waitress, taxi driver, etc...People fail to treat others humanely, like how they also want to be treated. The "b!tch" isn't a trustfull person, shes a paranoid maniac and a controlling @$$. If you want to be treated well, treat others well and many maids are victims of being treated inhumanely.

Im sorry but if people cannot relate nor have a good relationship with people around them, they will fail miserably.

unfortunately being rude isnt the same as treating someone inhumanely. (with regards to her being in the house) and like i said many many times, unless the contract said the maid was allowed to have keys, allowed to go out during work hours, the mother did nothing wrong confronting her about it. the maid could be charged with negligance, but the mother isnt going to be charged with being mean.

"You damn well obey my house rules or get out of my house" my parents have said that to me several times. education has a very strong point, to understand the mother, you have to take into account cultural differences, but i avoided that because i didnt want to go into ethnicity, unlike alot of people here who are jumping all over it.


JMAC
QUOTE(Mid-Night_Sun @ Mar 15 2007, 12:01 PM) [snapback]2792837[/snapback]


thats nice, but its still your families preference. unless the contract said she had to be nice to the maid (which i doubt) it wasnt illegal. being rude is not illegal unfortunately.

*LOL no one said you have to be nice but we live in a world where relationships are unavoidable, you can choose to be an @$$ or be nice. People who becomes an @$$ dont go too far.

i agree she would have an idea, but knowing how long someone takes a shower isnt realistic to me. sometimes i take 15 min showers, sometimes 30, sometimes im in there for an hour...there isnt a set time for me. cant assume the kid has a set time. even if the kid did, then why wouldnt the maid just wait till she was done and told her she was going? say i agree with you, the maid knows when the kid is done the shower, why couldnt she just wait a bit for the kid to come out then tell her?

*maybe because shes has alot of things to do and no time to waste? We can keep on guessing but I assure you we will never get to the bottom of this.


like i said many times, she was rude, but it was civil, even when compared with responses here. look, you just said you would have slapped her. thats assault, the mother easily could have done something like that, but she went for a signed legal document. there was no doubt she was pissed too. i dont know where you live, or how it works around there, but here, when people are pissed, they get violent, they dont whip out legal papers. trust me, for a mother who was concerned for her child, she did a very calm thing (especially when you take into account she didnt trust the maid)

*Hahaha yeah I would've slapped her out of misbelief, why? for pissing me off. Really I would just be appaled and surprised and leave that place. I dont need to be mistreated like that. Unless she provokes me then it would have been different. I just dont know anyone who can be that rude to someone who's helping her. Just an unappreciative b!tch.

unfortunately being rude isnt the same as treating someone inhumanely. (with regards to her being in the house) and like i said many many times, unless the contract said the maid was allowed to have keys, allowed to go out during work hours, the mother did nothing wrong confronting her about it. the maid could be charged with negligance, but the mother isnt going to be charged with being mean.


*The mother did nothing wrong? Ok so being rude is fine with you then. For many people, its uncivilized, unfriendly and its not how you're suppose to communicate with people. Did you know what? The maid can be charged if something happened to the child but being left unattended because she was taking a shower would not be sufficient argument.

Point is, the mother overreacted and doesnt know how to deal with PEOPLE. Needs better interpersonal communication skills. She needs to hone up if she wants to get along with people in the future. Its how you are to other people and not some contract to say "ohhh i cant be nice to you" embarassedlaugh.gif it shows shes not good with people.


santoloco
both of u come back at each other like girls! laugh.gif

seems like all the blood vessels are running both ur whole brains!
JMAC
lol Im done, I already made my point.

This...is...la islaaaa Filipinaaaaa!!!!! madgo.gif


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dang, come to think of it, I'd love to do a Lapu-lapu film embarassedlaugh.gif
Mid-Night_Sun
sanataloco: if you have nothing important to say, just dont post...

jmac: yes...she was rude. i agreed to that many times, but the accusations about caged animals, inhumane treatment, shyt about being singaporean/chinese, even some stuff about how asians look down on flips...was all unwarranted in this case.
Tara_Na_Biyahe_Tayo
QUOTE(JMAC @ Mar 15 2007, 12:55 PM) [snapback]2792999[/snapback]

lol Im done, I already made my point.

This...is...la islaaaa Filipinaaaaa!!!!! madgo.gif
embarassedlaugh.gif

dang, come to think of it, I'd love to do a Lapu-lapu film embarassedlaugh.gif


Its already been done....
santoloco
QUOTE(Mid-Night_Sun @ Mar 15 2007, 07:56 PM) [snapback]2793773[/snapback]

sanataloco: if you have nothing important to say, just dont post...



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what the hell i do now? laugh.gif

but its true... i said that to cool ur butts down, u sucha hot head.

who the hell are u to tell me what to do? u get the hell off my block!! kick.gif
KristlehI
^hahaha. mahirap kausapin si hating gabing araw. hahahaha para kang nakikikipag-usap sa pader. hehe
pinoyako
QUOTE(KristlehI @ Mar 15 2007, 09:16 PM) [snapback]2793931[/snapback]

^hahaha. mahirap kausapin si hating gabing araw. hahahaha para kang nakikikipag-usap sa pader. hehe

hahha tama ka dyana pare, hindi nga nakakaintindi kc hindi nya nararanasa yung mga hirap na pinagdadaanan ng mga katulong o etc. mahirap kausapin ang mga taong makikitid ang ulo.
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