1) Deepa Mehta - the ultimate self hater and sellout. I'm hoping they stone her the next time she's in India.

2) Dinesh D'Souza - because I hate hardcore conservative types, it goes double for him.

3) Anyone associated with the RSS - you can't trust anyone that does that seig heil salute crap or whatever. on top of that, they're religious quacks.

4) Those terrorists in Kashmir- anyone who takes religon seriously enough to kill other people should be shot.

5) That Jinnah guy - face it my Pakistani brothers and sisters, the guy was Gujarati and he didn't even know Urdu!!!

Feel free to add, get your hate on

I wouldn\'t consider any of them India, they all become honorary \"Citizens of Pakistan\".

I dislike the following people....

-- Arundathi Roy

-- M.F. Hussain

-- Dawood Ibrahim

He was a fu-king dumbass

Rakhi Sawant.

All Indian politicians. Especially the Commies.

You could say that for Muhammad Ali Jinnah and the Kashmiri terrorists, but the rest on jiggy's list are not Muslim.

is she really self hateing?



can you tell me what RSS is

yes

and it's some right wing organization almost similiar to the Nazis, expect them making a chat house putsch within the next few years.

so like what do they do

google is your friend.

yeh i already tried it before and gave me a wekipedia thing of them i couldnt be bother reading the whole thing i was hoping you could sum it up for me

Indian kids are getting too lazy these days.

I don't know much about Deepa Mehta other than the fact that she's made contraversial movies about Indian Culture.. can anyone explain why so many Indian people dislike her? I've seen her Movie "Earth" I think it was.. and it was about the Partition between India and Pakistan, and I didn't think it was offensive..

I heard "Fire" had lesbian content and was why people in India didn't like it, though.

Deepa Mehta is notorious for portraying Hinduism wrongfully and negatively in her movies. Extremist groups obviously didn't like the lesbian content in Fire, but liberals have a different opinion.

The movie acted as if Hinduism was rigidly against homosexuality and treated women like servants. Compared to abrahamic religions though, more arguments are available in Hinduism about the allowance of homosexuality.

There was also a scene in Fire where the husband said, "You should be touching my feet and asking for forgiveness, because of your behavior." Um, not even the most abusive Hindu husbands that I've met ask their wives to touch their feet and "beg for forgiveness."

Deepa Mehtha just throws in all of the extreme misconceptions that the West has of India in her movies. Once you watch Water, you will definitely get the idea. Someone interestingly said that Deepa Mehta won't make movies wrongfully depicting Islam or Christianity, because she knows she's going to get messed with seriously (ie killed).


I will add Shabana Azmi to this list. She's pretty, but I'm starting to wonder why she never acts in a movie that wrongfully portrays Muslim women. She's so quick to want to act in Mehta's movies.

Oh wow..
That's kind of lame how she's portraying her own heritage in a negative manner..
Perhaps she came from a dysfunctional family?

Then again, some say she's just throwing that in for the entertainment and appeal. No Westerner wants to watch an Indian movie like Kal Ho Na Ho where Indians act like everyday people and maybe even somewhat "Westernized." Maybe they want to see something "exotic".

It's like how Hollywood can't decently portray blacks and East Asians. East Asians will always be in some martial arts role, and blacks will be shown in the hood, being players, etc.

That's certainly true.

But for some reason it kind of seems like she's picking out the bad and not including much of the good. Though when I think it over, I wouldn't want to watch a happy happy movie with no plot twists either.

I just hope it's made apparent in the movie that it happened years ago, and not so much now. (does it still happen?! ._. that'd be so terrible)

You're right. Come to think of it, Mira Nair's Monsoon Wedding and Chadha's Bend it Like Beckham had some extreme stereotypes and drama thrown in, BUT both movies showed how something negative could turn into something positive. Monsoon Wedding gave the message that arranged marriages can turn successful even when you don't like somebody in the beginning, and Bend It Like Beckham showed family unity in the midst of cultural confusion and identity struggles.

Mehta's movies end in a negative and odd way.

Before anyone brings up the molestation scenes in Monsoon Wedding, I don't think that was intended to make Indians look bad. I think they threw that in for societal awareness. We all know that most of us don't want to admit that such things can happen in Indian society (when it does), and being Indian makes it even harder for the molestation victim to talk about/deal with.

less discussing and more hating. I WANT NAMES PEOPLE.

I found that pretty funny. Never knew that till now. Gotta bring that up when I see my friend next time.



LOL She was funny Masti.

That molestation mentioning made me really sad, it was realistic the way she reacted. I felt really bad. I thought the guy was white =\ he didnt look Indian to me (the guy that did it )

The character was Indian....the dad's brother or something. I think he was Indian in real life too.

Yeah, I liked how the director portrayed the molestation realistically with all of the right signs. The molestor was portrayed as a caring and close relative, and said he would pay for the girl's education (most real-life molestors are the "sweet" people you wouldn't suspect). The molested victim repressed it and kept it a secret until adulthood, and then saw how the cycle repeated with the younger girl. Then, the elders didn't believe her when she finally confessed.

If anybody studies up on molestation, that's the classic situation that usually happens.


Of course, I heard plenty of aunties and uncles saying "Oh how dare she show that in the movie..that doesn't happen in our culture."

Exactly.. and it's really unfortunate that it actually does happen. It's happened a lot in my dad's brothers family I think (the family we're not on good terms with) example:

My dads brother wants his oldest son to get married to a clueless rural girl from India, so that he can use her as his personal sex-toy for himself and his younger son.

Things like that disgust me =\. My family has a history of men abusing women all due to their "I'm almighty" mindset. It's wrong on so many levels. I'll break that cycle though~ as will my sis. My mom was SO shocked to hear her say "I'll get a divorce if my husband abuses me when im older" which I thought was pretty funny, since divorce is seen as pretty taboo in Indian culture too.

But trying not to get off topic, I felt so mad when noone believed her.. their mindsets are just so wrong. I remember a real life situation where an Indian boy was molested, and people -laughed- because they thought his accusation was silly. ._.

Man thats crazy. Thats like another world to hear that.

But I do have a question on this matter. Any idea if its from the Indian culture itself or if it was adopted? I'm Muslim but lets get real, a lot of men in Islam are like that. I read that Goa and other parts of India are turning so Islamic that when husbands get back from Arabia, they get more strict and adopt more things "Islamic".

I'm not sure if it's all islamic influence.. it could just be that a large proportion (not all) of Indian males feel that they deserve complete dominance over their spouses. I'm hoping that India doesen't become an Islamic country, only because I'd feel sad to see Hinduism deteriorate and become a minority.. it's in so few countries anyways.

Not sure what religion these people are, but I did hear that in some rural parts in India they kill the women if she can't give them an heir? Also a lot of men give these women AIDS and such which is pretty sad.

Hinduism is pretty unique I'll agree. I like the Gitas myself.

Unfortunately, it's the norm for us. Some victims still live with their sexual abusers and are just trying to chuck it up. It's not as easy as one would think it is to just report molestation or rape in our community.

When you're molested by a father, step-father, an uncle, a cousin, etc, people are too scared to break up the family. A lot of South Asian women are hesitant to get a divorce OR they can't support themselves on their own. The molestor is often the provider of the family, and divorce is still looked down upon. On top of that, a lot of people don't want to believe that their own husband, relative or friend (whatever the case is) could do such a thing. South Asians think that their family values are too strong for something like this to happen.


Virginity is highly important in the community, so most people wouldn't want to advertise that their daughter is spoiled goods now. And, the family will be shamed. Nobody will want to marry you once they find out that there's a child molestor in the family.

Yeah, I was talking to my mother on why noone wants daughters in India. I thought it was because the daughters would be married off, and the parents would be sad, but that's not the case.

Apparently a LOT of girls get married off, and the girls in-laws and husband sometimes abuse her and force her to ask her parents for a dowry (money from her parents). If she cannot do this they usually douse her in gasoline, light her on fire, and pretend it was a cooking accident.

This is only if she doesen't commit suicide first.

Yeah, but the AIDS thing is also because a lot of women are uneducated. Having a child is VERY important to Indian women. If the husband sleeps around and gets AIDS he's too ashamed to admit it to his family, and when the wife finds out she's uneducated and doesen't know the consequences, and thinks "To hell with aids, just give me a child."

Unfortunately this leads to AIDS for the child, and wife. It's terrible.

It's also a show of how many of the AIDS infected males aren't monogomous with their wives, usually visiting prostitutes. (apparently over 50% of bombay prostitutes have AIDS) I Don't think the husbands want to give their wives AIDS though.




Exactly. Though I know that if something like this occurred in my family that my relatives would not try to cover it up entirely, they'd confront the problem within the family, most definately.

What I'm still blurry on is weather or not my family could ever press charges.. bringing something like this to the public is like a death sentence in a way. News between Indians travels -Fast- around here (and most places) I think. I swear, if my parents ever see an Indian girl with a guy they try to find out who's daughter it is, etc etc, and then tell their relatives and stuff.

Express, I knew about that virginity thing before. What exactly happens to a woman that cannot be married off? Does she stay a widow or does she just have no function in the community?

NoAnger, I knew about dowry (it's used in Islam as well except that it's opposite in Indian culture) but I didnt know they would kill her just for that!

Speaking of prostitutes, my friend told me about how his cousin would go with prostitutes in Pakistan...I didn't know it was so liberal.

It's opposite in Indian culture? You mean in Islam the guys family pays the dowry to the girl?

It's more liberal in some areas. But in others it's a little unheard of (though it still does occur).

Just my opinion on the question about a woman who cannot be married off -- I think my parents would either keep my sister around if that happened, and keep trying to get her married off. Or they would get her a job and kind of treat her as a 'son' in a way. Each family could deal with it differently though.

In Islam the man gives the woman the dowry.

Treat her as a son...no offense, but I kind of like that idea. I personally think that daughters should be treated as sons in most cases. But youre right, its better to be single than married and in an oppressive life.

I wonder about men who beat their wives, how do they treat their daughters? In America I think most of it is different. From what I know, some men beat their wives but are protective of their children. I cannot understand that mindset, it clashes within itself. It's like how men, who see their mom beating up, would kill their father if he did it again, but still beat up their wife. Its crazy.

That's terrible that they would use a poor girl like that. It's a shame how people don't realize how much this psychologically can affect a person. Hell, it's a shame that the victims themselves aren't aware of how it will affect them until it's too late. Many victims end up being promiscuous, in the adult entertainment business, and even child molestors themselves. It's a cycle that repeats itself. You don't just wake up one day and decide to sell your body or sleep with anything that walks. Desi parents talk so much about the daughter's virginity, so how can these people ruin these people's lives like that?

Let's face it though. Most parents don't want to hear about their kid turning promiscuous or aspiring to be a stripper. If I try to tell this stuff to Desi parents, they will think I'm crazy even though the most sluttiest Desis I know were sexually abused.

Westerners can be ignorant too though, because I guess people don't want to imagine that someone could do something like that. Hell, nobody ever taught me what sexual abuse, rape or child molestation was when I was young.




I have never seen that happen, but I'm guessing she might become a prostitute or maybe some kind of religious figure. Don't rely on that though. I'm not sure, because such a thing is practically unheard of. There is always someone that will marry the daughter, even if it's an indentured servant.

Unmarried men can live as they please though. My uncle never married.

I know about the men. Ive seen some of those Holy Men that they speak of.

But to an indentured servant..wow that must be considered the low.

My uncle is the last person who'd ever be able to comprehend the negative impacts of his actions. Thankfully his older son moved to the U.S so his possible future wife wouldn't have to go through what his dad was planning.

I think that goes for people in general, really. It's sad because it really messes a person up. The people who talk about the virginity and then molest//etc are just hypocrites. My grandma told me about a Sikh father who raped his daughter repeatedly until she reported it herself. Apparently the fear of breaking up her family stopped her from it. It's just proof that religion doesen't have to be a factor at all.

The Desis here are at the extremes. They're either very chaste and into school or slutty and don't care about grades.

I've read many articles that talk about things like this happening each day, and my parents see it on the news a lot, so it's not a surprise when we see it on the news. But it's always really upsetting.

Yeah, all of the husbands I know that were abusive towards their wives didn't lay a hand on their children.

What's a shame though is that even when the wife left the abusive, her second husband sexually abused the daughter in the family BUT was really sweet to his wife. As a matter of fact, that's why the girls I talk too are scared to tell anyone. They know their moms won't believe them, because their moms think they married a great man and that they have such a healthy and romantic relationship with them.

Oh that makes sense.. if they abuse the daughters they act especially sweet towards the wife.

It's kind of like with my dad, I know he yells at my mom a lot, and I tell him off about it too, but he acts all sweet to my sister and I, and always claims to hold tonnes of respect for me. He'll take my decision in consideration over my moms (which isnt right .__. ). This has lead to my sisters hate of my dad though.

To tell you guys the truth id rather have my mom have more importance than myself. I personally see that if you marry someone you love (which differs in other cultures due to arranged marriages) that the women should be held above the children. Not that the children should be treated as second class citizens but I hope you guys know what I am talking about.

Peoples have some weird logic I must say.

I agree. I wish my dad would listen to my mom more. Most of the time I find myself telling my dad my moms opinion, but in my own words, so that she still has good influence on our family.

My sister is only listened to because my dad physically abused her (not sexually though) in the past, and therefore feels that if he spoils her it'll make up for it (which it does not).

And he doesnt want to make it up to your mom? Hrmm...

But Im glad that she has a son like you that still puts in her input. I personally hold the mother as the central figure of the family (although that mindset in itself is just the same the other way). I dont think women should go beating on men though, but that they should be regarded. They give life for crying out loud. Well men do too but they dont suffer while doing it. Plus the women is the one that nurtures the child (female or male), again not that men don't play their own roles but thats just my opinion on the matter.

Ugh I know how that it is. I hate that. I know dads like that who will try to make up for past events by using materialistic rewards to give to their kids.



And, then they got the wife wrapped around their finger. It's not just the wife. They're the "great sweet guy"in front of everybody. They even fool their own victims into thinking that they're nice people who aren't doing anything wrong. Before a young girl realizes that she was molested, it's too late.

What's interesting is that a police officer told me that child molestors are the nicest guys and friendliest guys in prison too.

Yeah exactly .__. I don't think women should beat men either.. but I cannot ever even once think of an instance where that has happened (unless it's a mother to her son, which isn't that severe. The most my mother ever did was threaten to whack me over the head with a frying pan, and we laugh about that now).

I feel that a woman should really be respected in the family. Its sad to see how much of the womans role in life is downplayed.




Yeah, it's all a part of their persona to make it even harder to believe that they could have committed such an attrocity.

My dad does regret it though, but doesen't know how to go about correcting it (if it can even be corrected)

damn nice job in skunking up my thread, you people have no sense of humor.

Those are the kind of guys who also get anally abused in prison.


Your mum never actually beat you? She's so lame. My mum used to beat me worse than my dad ever did. She would hit me with various weapons including hangers, sandals, sticks, tree branches, frying pans, etc.


Indeed. All this melodrama brings back a few dark memories I'd rather forget.

mallika sherawat-looks/dresses like a prostitute
kareena kapoor-ugly as $hit
dinesh d'souza-sellout
anand jon-horny @$$

I was reading about that anand jon yesterday. What a freaking sleazebag. I will post the article regarding him later on.

priety zinta : i heard she's got a terrible attitude esp towards her fans - and i just dont like her general look/personality

kareena kapur : reminds me of an indian paris hilton (only a bit less slutty - just a tad)

Haha my mum used to smack my brother so much when he was younger. She would hit him with wooden spoons and they always broke too! Then my dad bought home a stick from a tree to hit as well lol( i don't think it was used much). Funnily enough i was a good kid and never ever got hit by anybody!

In my house mum plays the centre roll. Dad's just laidback and calm and really mums the one that makes most if not all of the decisions and has it her way! For example when i was younger and wanted permission to go out, dad wouldn't let me, but after my mum's influence he would eventually agree, in fact i would always mum first and dad would always make some fuss about it but eventually agree. Yay for women power!

And why is arundhati roy regarded as indian you hate??I loved her book -the god of small things!!

good god you had a fu-ked up family, but I liked the part about ripping off tree branches and beating your kids with them(SARCASM)

Yeah, I agree.