The 4th of July signifies independence, yet black people were still slaves.

I think there should be a "black fourth of July" so to speak that occurs when the slaves were freed.

It's like white kids celebrating Martin Luther King, Jr. day...

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I'm pretty sure that white people do celebrate Mr. Luther King, Jr. day

Why do any non-Caucasian-American celeberate Fourth of July, period?

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good question.
I guess some people believe that if they live in the States they should celebrate it's birthday, regardless of where they're from

That's true. The 4th is a national day, not an ethnic day. It is a celebration for all citizens of the country.

They don't truly understand what they are celebrating though. They are celebrating birth of a nation that is foundamentally racist up until around the 1950's. A nation that practiced slavery for more than half of its existance. A nation that today, invade soverign foreign nations unprovokedly and dictate international affairs.


Who said it was an "ethnic day"

Nevertheless Fourth of July is the birthday of the United States of America and it was founded by Europeans. Not Africans, not Asians, and definitely not Hispanics.

Not in the same way... MLK didn't help any white folks, just like the US being independent didn't help any black folks.

Whites only "celebrate" MLK Day because they get a day off

it just goes to show the way American people follow the media blindly like a shepherd and his sheep

KULONG IF U DONT LIKE AMERICA GET THE *BLEEP* OUT!!!!

and if ur not on our soil and u dont like us still, then dont do business with my country.

happy 4th of july!!!

Exactly.


It's funny how so many zealous U.S.-worshippers always use the arguement that "If you don't like our country then leave." That's how dictatorship starts. Except once the dictatorship is in place, you WON'T be able to leave.

Your attitude is against the very supposed U.S. values themselves. Without criticism, there won't be progress.

It's funny how the likes of you critize other countries for not having "free speech" yet you are crushing the very thing you are preaching.

why are you flaming Kulong, dalawapo?

Word.. these kids got all these complaints even though America > Any other country. Guarnteed.

dalawapo has some sort of personal vendetta against me

Well, didn't you ask why non-Caucasian Americans should celebrate it? Isn't "Caucasian American" an ethnic classification? Aren't you therefore implying that ID4 is to be celebrated by the Caucasian American ethnicity only, thereby making it an ethnic day?


That's extremely similar to what people on Stormfront say when they advocate racially cleansing the US of all non-whites.
As I said before, it is a national day, not an ethnic day, and that means it is a celebration for anyone with an American citizenship i.e. an American national.

what makes America better than all other countries?

I don't really celebrate it. Neither do any other blacks that I really know. I mean some go to parades and crap like that and might have parties just because the 4th gives em an excuse to throw one, but "Independance Day" really isn't meaningful to us.

"Caucasian-American" is in no way an ethnic group. They all have different backgrounds. Some are more French, some more Irish, Italian... etc.


I am not saying people shouldn't celebrate Fourth of July, but before they do, they must realize what exactly they are celebrating and not just enjoying a day off and have bbq parties.

Freedom, saftey.. whatever.

Most arguments against used against the US are true for every country that was ever sucessful.

America sure isn't the only country with freedom and safety you know.
By the way, haven't you heard about the Patriot Act? You call that freedom?

U.S. is FAR from perfect. It has some good values but it's too bad the country is run by corrupt politicians such as the whole Bush administration and they are supported by ignorant blind patriots.

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Yes, that's exactly it, Kulong

Yeah, but no one has an economy and planning like the US does. Not to mention it is the most diverse population, has the best military, and basically leads the world in everything except manual labor manpower.

The Patriot Act? Every country has something similar. I bet you don't even know what the Patriot Act is about, only what some conspirocy theorist told you.

Let me ask you this... have you ever LIVED in another country?

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Yes, I have lived in another country; I was born in Việt Nam, mind you

^ Being BORN somewhere dosen't mean you LIVED there.

I LIVED in a communist country for 14 years.

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well excuse me. I LIVED in Sài Gòn for about three years.
BTW, what country did you live in?

Free food...perhaps ?

It consists of all the Caucasian (eg European) ethnicities and excludes all the non-Caucasian ethnicities. Thus, it is an ethnic classification

that's probably one of the reasons

That's why I went to Canada Day. =P

nothing wrong with that

Poland... back when it was part of the USSR.

I moved here for high school. Communism, especially the way the USSR did it was pretty harsh. I love the USA.

That's understandable. You come from a country that is "worse" than the U.S.

Most people who come from poorer, less-developed, or more-strictly ruled nations tend to like the U.S. more because they gained something they never had before.

But those of us who are originally from a nation where we already had freedom and democracy, we can see past all this fireworks and how U.S. really is.

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you took the words right out of my mouth, Kulong

Yup, it's all relative. There are no absolutes

why should anybody celebrate it? i got the answer...BECAUSE ITS FUN!
ya get to eat stuff ya regularly don't eat, you get to do stuff ya really don't do a lot, and you get to be around people who are in the same mood as you (happy would be my guess) all of those equal fun! well.. to me it does and but than again I'm only half Black...

You are just enjoying the mood created by this day and not celebrating what it really stands for. It's like people celebrating Christmas to give and receive gifts instead of celebrating the birth of Jesus.

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Kulong strikes again!

Yeah so? we (talking about ppl in the U.S) already know what the hoilday is about and we respect that
and to show our respect we have fun because that's what the founding fathers/Jesus(i guess....) would want us to do :genius:

I don't think that everyone in the U.S. even knows that. It's great that you do but you'ld be surprised at how many people think Christmas is actually about Santa Claus and gift giving/receiving

Really now? I wonder how many children know the true meaning of Fourth of July and especially Christmas

So you know what your founding fathers and Jesus want you to do huh? Talked to them lately?

What's your problem? You like to diss other cultures?

How am I dissing other cultures?

I am trying to have a serious discussion here and no one was having any problems until you've arrived.

It's kind of funny how you hold a grudge against me like an annoying ex-girlfriend though

I'm having a serious discussion too, until you start your flame bait.

And you remind me of a girl I use to know, so petty and nitpicking. Sure you don't have a vagina?

here we go again...

What flame bait?

Reread it

What, this?

What's the flame bait there? All he did was question how much children know about the festivals they celebrate and how Black-a-nese can be so sure Jesus or the founding fathers would rather have them celebrate Christmas and ID4 partying and BBQing as opposed to praying and remembering ID4 history respectively.

that was totally uncalled for....but it was Funny as hell tho



Yeah i know... teh bastards lol



Yeah nothing wrong with that dude




maybe... maybe not

a lot of ppl don't like the U.S i notice that but it doesn't matter cuz me love this country

How does pointing out the true meaning of Fourth of July and Christmas have anything to do with "not liking the U.S."?

What does you loving this country have anything to do with your supposed psychic ability to know what your founding father and Jesus want for you?