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SoCal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDU9BhpovMA icon_smile.gif

Here is what they are saying, translated in English.

I just type the English subtitles here. I don't know Japanese, okay. icon_smile.gif


OK, let's speak about another country, Vietnam.

You might think there is traces of the Vietnam War,
but today there is almost none.

There is many Japanese going to Ho Chi Minh City.
I went to Ha Noi.

They want us to invest in Ha Noi.
Vietnam is a very bright nation.

It is like the Showa Emperor's 30s (late 1950-mid 1960).
Everyone is working hard to make their nation prosperous.

The slogan of Vietnam is "Tomorrow is a Good Day."

That's a very cheerful, bright outlook.

So in this atmosphere... Vietnam got attention with their China + 1

Japan does not invest in Vietnam because of cheap labor.
Rather we invest in them because we respect their people.

They are very honest and hard working.

Many Asians will party at night...
but Vietnamese will often study.

These differences distinguish their people.

Okay let's look at another picture.

Please take a look at this picture over here.

That is a view of Ha Noi.

Underneath it is Ho Chi Minh Mausoleum.

This is where the revolutionary Ho Chi Minh's body is preserved.

It symbolizes the unity of the Vietnamese People.

And next to it is a MIG Fighter Plane.

This is a war memorial. A memorial for the Vietnam War
and their war against the French.

I talked to a gentleman who was a Viet Cong but
they do not speak to their children about the Vietnam War.

And also, there is no Anti-American Education.

President Bush went to Ha Noi a little while ago.

Many of the children of Vietnamese Politicians
go to America to study.

Even President Bush stated that he was impressed that the
Vietnamese respect American, a nation they fought against.

The Vietnamese do not educate their children to hate the Americans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDU9BhpovMA icon_smile.gif




Cheers to a bright future for Vietnam and Japan.

Let's work hard and make the countries prosperous.

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75...etnam&hl=en


Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung of Vietnam and Prime Minister Abe Shinzo of Japan

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SoCal
It is like the Showa Emperor's 30s (late 1950-mid 1960).
Everyone is working hard to make their nation prosperous.

What is Showa Emperer's 30s?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dwa_period

The Shōwa period (昭和時代, Shōwa jidai?, literally "period of enlightened peace"), or Shōwa era, is the period of Japanese history corresponding to the reign of Emperor Shōwa (Hirohito), from December 25, 1926 to January 7, 1989.

From 1954 and beyond the death of the Showa Emperor, Japan rebuilt itself politically and economically. Today, Japan's economy is second only to the United States and its economic power gives it far more dominance than it ever had militarily. But, it was not without its problems. Despite almost 40 years of continual economic growth, by 1993 (after the Showa period ended in 1989), the bubble economy had burst and Japan was thrown into a period of recession that lasted throughout the 1990s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_post...conomic_miracle

"Golden Sixties" and shift to export trade
The period of rapid economic growth between 1955 and 1961 paved the way for the "Golden Sixties". The second decade that is generally associated with the Japanese economic miracle. In 1965, Japan's nominal GDP was estimated at just over $91 billion. Fifteen years later, the nominal GDP had soared to a record $1,065 billion by 1980.
bluee
Shintaro Ishihara praised Vietnam.
daidai
I always admired the Japanese. They are one small country and through determination and hardwork, they became one of the world's superpowers.
duong
hell yea I seen a group of Japanese girls in Vietnam when I went in in November
EvilAsianDude
What a twisted and incredibly stupid program. The real intentions of that program was to make Korea and China look bad. As if we have to love and respect japan. And that disagreeing with them on history is a crime.
daidai
QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Apr 10 2007, 05:15 PM) *

What a twisted and incredibly stupid program. The real intentions of that program was to make Korea and China look bad. As if we have to love and respect japan. And that disagreeing with them on history is a crime.



China is already bad in our eyes. Talktohand.gif

We don't have to love Japan but a lot of foreigners do respect Japan (except for Chinese and Korean). If you look at their achievements, they have accomplished a lot.
bluee
Shintaro Ishihara praised vietname, dislikes korea and china.
do vietnamese know what he said about vietnam?
daidai
Why do we have Koreans coming into this thread when the discussion is about Japan and Vietnam?? confused.gif confused.gif
jose cuervo
No one really likes anyone in this world. The Japanese need cheap labor, and we need foreign investment. It's as simple as that. Its a symbiotic relationship, nothing more or less.
SoCal
QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Apr 10 2007, 03:15 PM) *

What a twisted and incredibly stupid program. The real intentions of that program was to make Korea and China look bad. As if we have to love and respect japan. And that disagreeing with them on history is a crime.


Did you watch the whole show? He talks about Vietnam and in the second half, he talks about how the Vietnamese think about the Americans. How did you come up with the idea that he tries to make China and Korea look bad? How? confused.gif

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Vietnam's GDP, GDP Per Capita

2010: $100 Billion, $1000
2015: $160 Billion, $1700
2020: $270 Billion, $2800
2025: $440 Billion, $4400
2030: $700 Billion, $6700
2035: $1000 Billion, $10000
Tav6
sorry .... but this is just all for show ..... they might say that they like vn now but I doubt they would give a crap about viet people and vietnam .... and also if my memory is right .... many viet went hungry when the japanese have control over vietnam long time ago .... the japanese would rather throw away many rice bags instead of giving it to the viet .... if they really do like vietnam and viet people i would like to see an apology from them .... an apology is all i want to hear .... nothing more and i am sure many viet people would forgive them ....since we r a peaceful people
i3ig_iviac
we should discuss Chuckie Akenz and erotic porn instead
landsknechts
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The Vietnamese do not educate their children to hate the Americans

Our education system does not teach kids to burn people's flag either. We are not raised to be a bunch of petty little grudge holders. I'm so proud of our Vietnamese chivarous attitude and culture.
SoCal
Vietnam was under the rule of China for over 1000 years.

Although Japan played a role in creating the femine in 1940s in North Vietnam,
the Vietnamese do not hold a grudge against Japanese very much.

However, Vietnam is very vigilant towards China due to the history of both countries.
Only in the 20th century that Japan tried to colonize and conquer Vietnam, while
China for at least over 2000 years, they had tried to colonize and conquer Vietnam.

Byron
QUOTE(SoCal @ Apr 10 2007, 09:54 PM) *

Vietnam was under the rule of China for over 1000 years.

Although Japan played a role in creating the femine in 1940s in North Vietnam,
the Vietnamese do not hold a grudge against Japanese very much.

However, Vietnam is very vigilant towards China due to the history of both countries.
Only in the 20th century that Japan tried to colonize and conquer Vietnam, while
China for at least over 2000 years, they had tried to colonize and conquer Vietnam.


Japan never colonized Vietnam. Indochina was under the control of Vichy France during WW2. Japanese occupied Indochina but it was never really "colonized".
Tav6
QUOTE(landsknechts @ Apr 10 2007, 05:39 PM) *

Our education system does not teach kids to burn people's flag either. We are not raised to be a bunch of petty little grudge holders. I'm so proud of our Vietnamese chivarous attitude and culture.




i agree we should not teach kids to hate .... but they do need to know the truth .... but not to hate .... there need to be more love in the world not hate beerchug.gif
Monguliansoup
QUOTE(i3ig_iviac @ Apr 10 2007, 06:54 PM) *

we should discuss Chuckie Akenz and erotic porn instead



Not that big a fan of Chuckie, buuuuttt......did you say EROTIC PORN???!?!?!?! eek.gif
JuMong
QUOTE(SoCal @ Apr 10 2007, 12:11 PM) *

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDU9BhpovMA icon_smile.gif

Here is what they are saying, translated in English.

I just type the English subtitles here. I don't know Japanese, okay. icon_smile.gif
OK, let's speak about another country, Vietnam.

You might think there is traces of the Vietnam War,
but today there is almost none.

There is many Japanese going to Ho Chi Minh City.
I went to Ha Noi.

They want us to invest in Ha Noi.
Vietnam is a very bright nation.

It is like the Showa Emperor's 30s (late 1950-mid 1960).
Everyone is working hard to make their nation prosperous.

The slogan of Vietnam is "Tomorrow is a Good Day."

That's a very cheerful, bright outlook.

So in this atmosphere... Vietnam got attention with their China + 1

Japan does not invest in Vietnam because of cheap labor.
Rather we invest in them because we respect their people.






LOL, how easily you are fooled. laugh.gif

At least Koreans are honest.

Read some history and what Japanese have done to your Country.

SoCal
QUOTE(JuMong @ Apr 10 2007, 09:36 PM) *

LOL, how easily you are fooled. laugh.gif

At least Koreans are honest.

Read some history and what Japanese have done to your Country.


Sir JuMong icon_smile.gif

Honestly, Vietnamese people and Vietnam government do not have anomosity towards the Japanese like the Chinese and Korean towards the Japanese. That is a fact, Sir. If you don't believe me, you should visit Vietnam and find out by yourself.
jose cuervo
It's true that we're not taught to hate or have animosities for people that once had an bloody history in our country.

But also let's be honest now SoCal, companies invest in VietNam for cheap labor, not because they care about VietNam, it's because they want to maximize their profits. That's the god honest truth.

SoCal
QUOTE(jose cuervo @ Apr 10 2007, 10:14 PM) *

It's true that we're not taught to hate or have animosities for people that once had an bloody history in our country.

But also let's be honest now SoCal, companies invest in VietNam for cheap labor, not because they care about VietNam, it's because they want to maximize their profits. That's the god honest truth.


Jose icon_smile.gif

I read many research by Japanese researchers about Vietnam. Most often, these Japanese economists, researchers, writers compliment the industriousness and intelligence of Vietnamese worker. The Japanese respect Vietnamese. If you don't believe me, you GOOGLE yourself and find out how many nice things that Japanese say about Vietnamese.

You go and talk to Japanese people, okay, and find out. I don't make up these stuffs.


http://www.waseda-coe-cas.jp/paper/070321-Tsuboi-e.pdf

by Yoshiharu Tsuboi

Conclusion

There is no doubt that people’s lives have improved over the past twenty years since the Doi Moi
Policy was adopted. The scars of war have been healed and it can be said that Vietnam has finally
become a “normal country”. The expressions on people’s faces have become gentler and babies have
been getting fatter. However, the basic structure of the country has changed neither politically nor
industrially.

On the political front, the single-party rule of the Communist Party continues, with restrictions on
freedom. Some claim that communist rule and economic growth are compatible because China is
maintaining high economic growth even though they are also under communist rule. However,
China’s communist rule is far detached from socialism on the other side of the Rubicon River and is
a system of capitalistic developmental dictatorship. It may be referred to as “socialism” or “a
single-party rule of the Communist Party” as the system is referred to in Vietnam, but it is different
in content. Furthermore, Vietnam has several problems that are exclusive only to Vietnam. One is
that the people were divided through war and no reconciliations have been made between the over
three million people of the former “South” who have emigrated abroad and the current regime of the
former “North”. Further democratization is needed to achieve this racial reconciliation. And the
significant economic and political progress that is being made by Vietnam’s enormous neighboring
country, China, is definitely an issue to be focused on. This is also a threat to Vietnam. Vietnam
must have its entire race, including the Vietnamese people overseas, unite and make developments
that can keep up with China’s, if not for the sake of avoiding being swallowed up by China. “To
protect national independence and not be swallowed up by China”.
This was a top priority even in
historical terms, and is still the same, even though it might have changed shape.

On the industrial front, Vietnam has a fundamentally thin structure of industry where there is no
system that allows the country to domestically produce basic necessities of life on its own. They
have basically not emerged from rural society. Historically speaking, the reasons behind this are
their economic structure being subservient to colonialism and the fact that their industrial
infrastructure was destroyed through warfare. Even when taking a broad view of their society as a
whole, the Vietnamese have a disadvantage which cannot be found in any other country; which is
not having anything to build on because the warfare that they have gone through has been disastrous
both economically and culturally. Economically speaking, funds are absolutely insufficient and no
more can be procured from within the country. It is nearly impossible to build an internationally
competitive industry in a world that is becoming smaller with increasing competitiveness under
these conditions. There is no mistake that an IT-related software industry can serve as an axis.
However, there will still be limits on its development as long as it is conceived by the country as a
nation state. There will perhaps be better future prospects if divisions of labor within a regional
integration with ASEAN or ASEAN Plus Three = “East Asia Community” were considered.

At any rate, Vietnam, which has excellent human resources, possesses high capabilities for
development. The emergence of a leader who has visions of the future thirty and fifty years ahead,
and can see things through the viewpoint of not a single country, but through the framework of the
regionally-integrated ASEAN can be anticipated in order to utilize this capacity.
Tav6
Socal .... actions speaks louder than words ..... so just because the japanese gave the viet worker a little compliment ... it does not mean they care about us ..... if they care about us .... they would already apologize for their past actions ....
Hitoro
oh btw i'm not trying to be a smart @$$ but "doi moi" dose not mean "new change", "revelution", ect however these can be used as meaning guides.

"Doi" = "life" or in this case "era"

"moi" = new

Doi + moi = era new (literal) = (in english) new era


cool eh icon_smile.gif!
SoCal
http://www.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ355/choi/rank.htm

Country Growth (%) 1950 ($) 1980 ($)
US 2 6,330 11,500
Canada 2.3 5,210 10,300
WG 4.9 3,170 13,370
Australia 2.9 3,960 9,400
France 4.4 3,360 12,160
Japan 7.4 1,060 8,900
U.K. 3.2 3,540 9,300
VietGuy7
I dunno, but I'm kinda pissed that the Japanese don't invest more in Vietnam. I mean, every God damn Nguyen drives a Honda, Toyota, or Lexus here in the US. Talktohand.gif
Kenji shinoda
QUOTE(Hitoro @ Apr 11 2007, 02:09 AM) *

oh btw i'm not trying to be a smart @$$ but "doi moi" dose not mean "new change", "revelution", ect however these can be used as meaning guides.

"Doi" = "life" or in this case "era"

"moi" = new

Doi + moi = era new (literal) = (in english) new era
cool eh icon_smile.gif!


Are you Japanese ?

the "doi moi" you are talking about is this one đời mới.
Whereas, if you talking about the policy, it's đổi mới.

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