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osirak
at this moment, palestinians are living under USA-supported israeli oppression.

in fact, israel is an illegitimate state which should not have been created.

vote now.

flipcombatmedic
i do understand the illegitimacy of the israeli state, not really the state but the territorial claim of the state of israel, but now that they are there it's like really impossible to completely take them out of the lands that they have settled in. i believe that the lands that are take cannot be bought or conceded to them just for that fact, but really israelis are there no matter what we do. so to me i don't want to vote for either, we should just make best as possible these circumstances like maybe give up military retaliation and make actual mapped boundaries for the jurisdiction of which state. then we could give the palestinians the proper help to start their economy and their state functions.
osirak
i'm disappointed. 16 views and no-one else has voted.
浪淘音
if i absolutely had to choose ONE. i'd side with Palestinians. on the other hand, since i have more choices, i don't care if they annihilate each other.
Eclectic Asian
yea, since Israel is an illegitimate state that the U.S. is backing up, i would have to admit some sympathy for the Palestinians. but i strongly oppose the terrorist tactics that the Muslims use in the Middle-Eastern conflict. (suicide bombers??? sure.gif ......)

but yea, the Palestinians were there first and if you support the Israelis then you should picture a portion of your country being given away to make an independent state for another group of people....

at least they should have made Israel from a neutral, non-Muslim country.....but of course such ideals are mere fantasy in this world full of complexities.... :genius:
osirak
QUOTE (Eclectic Asian @ Jul 8 2004, 10:34 PM)
but i strongly oppose the terrorist tactics that the Muslims use in the Middle-Eastern conflict. (suicide bombers???  sure.gif ......)

yet you don't make mention of israeli terror tactics? shooting kids, bombing civilians, shooting old people, using kids as human shields...

if the palestinians recieved all the US weaponry, it'd be the jews strapping themselves with bombs.
tqt
Why would this topic be in an Asian forum ?
holamon
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B/c Palestine is part of Asia
Nam Quoc Son Ha
I support the Palestinian people. This oppression and humiliation of the Palestinian was imposed upon by the imperialist British and maintained by Israelis and Americans.

Israelis are greedy. They're living on the land the Palestinians have been living on for 1300 years and yet they still want to annex them all. Typical Jewish mentality, greed and arrogance.
dalawapo
ok who is living on or owning the land first? what is the history of it? between palestinean and isreali occupation on the same plot of land?

y cant they divide the land in half like king soloman did or whatever
Menikani
I support Palestinians.

The Palestinian/Israel conflict can be compared to what's going on in South Vietnam today. Khmers being Palestinians and Vietnamese government being Israel.

This oppression and humiliation of the Khmers was imposed upon by the imperialist Viet Cong and maintained by Viet Cong and Youn criminals.

Vietnamese are greedy. They're living on the land the Khmers have been living on for over 2000 years and yet they still want to annex them all. Typical Vietnamese mentality, greed and arrogance.
flipcombatmedic
see this is the struggle here. people hating on people, and stuff happens. this is the struggle in palestine, people can't get along. well i guess they won't but i mean people could start somewhere instead of bakcing just one side up and that's when crap just blows over form both sides. if you want to resolve it take it both sides anc try to come up somewhere in the middle.

i'm sorry i'm one of the last idealist/liberalist political scientists, but i tend to be right wing, i'm pratical, i'm from manila.
osirak
QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Jul 9 2004, 05:58 AM)
see this is the struggle here. people hating on people, and stuff happens. this is the struggle in palestine, people can't get along. well i guess they won't but i mean people could start somewhere instead of bakcing just one side up and that's when crap just blows over form both sides. if you want to resolve it take it both sides anc try to come up somewhere in the middle.

look, if you don't know anything about the situation in palestine then keep quiet.

you're just making stupid generalizations.
flipcombatmedic
what do you mean i don't know and i generalize, i study political science and history.

and generalize, dude i done told the truth, if you stand on one side then you inflame it, you have to get to a middle ground, don't get mad just cuz i don't want to support the palestinians and the "under dogs" but that is the truth, that is why this is so blown up, even non palestinians fighting the west, just cuz they are supporting fellow arabs. well i guess you can't blame them, since israel got the west, i guess many mid east countries just jump in to equalize it.
tool666
I support the Palestinians because the fu-king jews are the aggressors.
holamon
I support the Palestinians desire for self-determination, but I think Palestinans got to get real with the political reality on the ground. I think they have to make some compromises and negotiate with Israel. And, I also believe sending people to do suicide missions is wrong - especially sending children to do it. Just me two cent. I hope there will be peace in the Middle East soon.
Bchung
neither, i blame the brits........................

making blind promises to both side, and leaving both side to fight eachother, when both side had a promise from England that they can have the land.

the typical western way, just leave their responsibility behind, like when the west were decolonizing africa. THEY JUST LEFT. They ignored the way they split africa, many african nation went to war immidiately with themselves, becuase the west left putting enemy tribes together, and splitting families and friends.

pretty much like what they did to the palestinians and jews.
Eclectic Asian
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 9 2004, 12:53 AM)
I support the Palestinian people. This oppression and humiliation of the Palestinian was imposed upon by the imperialist British and maintained by Israelis and Americans.

Israelis are greedy. They're living on the land the Palestinians have been living on for 1300 years and yet they still want to annex them all. Typical Jewish mentality, greed and arrogance.

too bad Hitler is not here with us anymore.... embarassedlaugh.gif

btw, i do remember that the Waffen SS/Wehrmacht started to recruit people from the Islamic countries when they needed more men to add to their ranks (during the last years of the war) and this made sense because Muslims and Nazis both opposed Jews....right?

Muslim = "the enemy (Nazi Germany) of my enemy (Jews) is my friend!"
JMAC
Its the UN's fault...they should have never even considered the partitioning...
dalawapo
why cant they share?
浪淘音
QUOTE (Eclectic Asian @ Jul 9 2004, 11:25 AM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 9 2004, 12:53 AM)
I support the Palestinian people. This oppression and humiliation of the Palestinian was imposed upon by the imperialist British and maintained by Israelis and Americans.

Israelis are greedy. They're living on the land the Palestinians have been living on for 1300 years and yet they still want to annex them all. Typical Jewish mentality, greed and arrogance.

too bad Hitler is not here with us anymore.... embarassedlaugh.gif

btw, i do remember that the Waffen SS/Wehrmacht started to recruit people from the Islamic countries when they needed more men to add to their ranks (during the last years of the war) and this made sense because Muslims and Nazis both opposed Jews....right?

Muslim = "the enemy (Nazi Germany) of my enemy (Jews) is my friend!"

they're were also Indian Shikhs (1090th division i believe) and volunteers from Turkeministan(who have Chinese blood in them)
dalawapo
dont the chinese mongoliods of central asia get mistreated by the ethnic europeans icon_smile.gif
Fil-Am
I blame the Romans for causing the Dispora and causing all this mess they have in Israel today.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Israel is a terrorist states that gains legitimacy for killing Palestinians through the American blind support and aid.
dalawapo
Quoc, does that opinon of yours ever give u the urge to embark on your own little Jihad? would u blow yourself up for allah? i'd like to know what viet muslims feel and how far they would go for allah!
Nam Quoc Son Ha
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 23 2004, 05:21 PM)
Quoc, does that opinon of yours ever give u the urge to embark on your own little Jihad? would u blow yourself up for allah? i'd like to know what viet muslims feel and how far they would go for allah!

dalawapo, shut the hell up will ya? Your ignorance and babbles just gives people a negative impression of your intelligence (or lack thereof).

And to answer your question, I'm a secular Muslim who do not follow my religion closely. I don't pray 5 times a day and I drink alcohol. However, I have faith in my God and I believe terrorism is not the right path to national salvation. However, at the same time I sympathise with these people because I know the odds against them and the prejudices imposed on them by the western and zionist imperialists. And no, I will not take up arms, declare a Jihad and kill Americans. There are other ways to help my fellow Muslim brethrens.
dalawapo
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 23 2004, 05:36 PM)
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 23 2004, 05:21 PM)
Quoc, does that opinon of yours ever give u the urge to embark on your own little Jihad? would u blow yourself up for allah? i'd like to know what viet muslims feel and how far they would go for allah!

dalawapo, shut the hell up will ya? Your ignorance and babbles just gives people a negative impression of your intelligence (or lack thereof).

And to answer your question, I'm a secular Muslim who do not follow my religion closely. I don't pray 5 times a day and I drink alcohol. However, I have faith in my God and I believe terrorism is not the right path to national salvation. However, at the same time I sympathise with these people because I know the odds against them and the prejudices imposed on them by the western and zionist imperialists. And no, I will not take up arms, declare a Jihad and kill Americans. There are other ways to help my fellow Muslim brethrens.

YOU ARE AN INFIDEL!!!!!!!! (in the eyes of the fundamenalits the people who are currently representing your faith all over the media!) where are you at? you are on the internet only, get off ur butt and show us the true face of islam then, instead of whinning about how your always stereotyped as terorists....

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herosword
QUOTE (Eclectic Asian @ Jul 8 2004, 10:34 PM)
yea, since Israel is an illegitimate state that the U.S. is backing up, i would have to admit some sympathy for the Palestinians. but i strongly oppose the terrorist tactics that the Muslims use in the Middle-Eastern conflict. (suicide bombers??? sure.gif ......)

but yea, the Palestinians were there first and if you support the Israelis then you should picture a portion of your country being given away to make an independent state for another group of people....

at least they should have made Israel from a neutral, non-Muslim country.....but of course such ideals are mere fantasy in this world full of complexities.... :genius:

Be careful about historical arguement. Israelis might argue that they were the first because they traced their roots to the kingdom of Judea. Read the bible.

It's funny that some of the very Muslims who supported the Palestianians now are the one who originally divided up their territory. There was no independent Palestians state when Jewish settlers started to move there. It was under occupation by other Muslims country.

Moreover, the more homicide bombing that extremist Islamist use the more sympathetic people will become to the Israelis. It's sad that Islam is now associated with terrorism. What happen to the days of Saladin when Islam was the tolerant religion. Back then Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived peacefully together in the Holy City.
JamesLovesAyumi
This is a complicated issue.

I think BOTH Israel and a seperate Palestine have a right to exist.
Israel as the home of Judaism, Palestine as a home of Islam.

I think that Israel should NOT move into Gaza and the West Bank.
Sharon needs to stop being so belligerent...

And I think that P.L.O, and other extremist groups like 'Hamas', should stop their bombing campaigns.
DragonX
I vote for Palestine all the way!Screw them zionistic israeli pigs as long as the zionists are not overthrown the fight will not end! (btw cant believe that there are at least 8 zionistic pig lovers on this forum thumbsdown.gif ,aaah wait they must be a couple off US biatches!
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