I 've scanned many of the responses to Shamanism, Christianity and others related to "being" Hmong; but there is not one who seems sure about their faith. Where is the manuscript for shamans? For Christians its the Bible.

What are we seeking in "having faith"? TRUTH.

Truth is universal, not relative to a certain perspective. Truth is liberating. Truth brings life. All truth is good.

Truth is we are all going to die (someday), whats your eternal destiny? An eternity separated from God or with God through Jesus Christ?

Jesus said: " I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father (God) except through Me."(John 14:6) has Buddha or shaman ever said that? has Mohammed or any other religious figure?

Anyone really searcing for God and the truth? if so, i challenge you to pray this prayer 3 times a day for the next two weeks: "Heavenly Father, if you are real, if Your Son Jesus Christ is real, show me a sign, show me you are real."
For Jeremiah 29:13 says "when you search for me with all your heart, I will be found by you"

The Bible has many references to shamans, mediums, sorcerers, and others who delve in the demonic or anti-God/Christ. I suggest reading up on it, its not good.

Are you here to convert people?

I had to run from some Jehovah's witness people the other day. I was just walking with a friend until we saw two of them walking together, and we had to run before they could see us. Gets so awkwards when people try to convert you.

Before you do start reading my post... i went a little off topic with my thoughts..might sound a little ignorant/irrevlant.. so read on if you want.. ehhehehe




From my understanding I have not seen a manuscript for shamanism myself, but what I can say is that shamanism is a religion/faith that is pass down verbally through hmong culture, just as our history. If our history isn’t written down, why would shamanism be written down for the hmong people?

As for shamanism throughout the world, with cultures that do have a written language or not, shamanism is documented in some culture’s history and do explain a little bit about it. Overall I’m not sure exactly why Shamanism isn’t written down, but shamanism is more about spirits, sacrifices, rituals, etc.. Also there are different types of Shamanism and they have so much rituals and ways of practicing Shamanism. I don’t think it’s even possible for them to write it down, but if they can its going to be one fat book! LOL

Shamanism and Christianity are completely different from my view and both are at different levels. Shamanism will be difficult to be written down because it’s more of a faith where most of the time its being practice by doing things such as giving offerings to the spirits/ancestors. You can probably write down when to give offerings to the spirits/ancestors and what you can do depending on the scenario, but when it comes to other things such as when a shaman is chanting, only the chosen ones will learn/understand the chanting of shamanism. For shamanism, they need their shaman because their shaman are the ones who can conjure the correct spirit and can get to the spirit world and do what they need to do depending on what the shaman is asking for. Also people who practices shamanism pray to their sprits/ancestors by giving offering such as food and burning incense. When they do its like they’re praying but just in their own way. For the people who pray, no matter what faith you have, everyone have different prayers and you pray for different things. When it comes to praying, shamanism have various ways to pray and show it such as mentioned above by burning incense, offering goods, performing a ritual with a shaman and etc…. As for Christianity, when you pray, it’s so much simpler, correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s just one way to pray and when you pray you know who you are praying to. You are praying to the lord. . When you first read the bible, towards the beginning (not sure which part it’s in) but it tells you how to pray. Even though there’s so many different bibles out there (such as the new and old testament, etc.. ) they still have the same point and gist.

Anyways what I’m trying to say is that shamanism and its practices is too complex to write down in a way that it would make sense to everyone and Christianity is easier to write down… that’s what I’m basically trying to say.


"No one lights a lamp and puts it in a place where it will be hidden, or under a bowl. Instead he puts it on its stand, so that those who come in may see the light. - Luke 11:33

O brother where art thou? Good lord, show me the way!

Shamanism is an ORAL tradition (meaning its passed through word of mouth.). There are many traditions that do not write things down. In part because a writing was invented in that culture yet and Especially if there are Secret information that a shaman dont want to share.

Have you ever examined the heart of anyone who is sticking out their neck to share the Gospel with you?
Meditate on the "why".
Be greatful we live in a country where we can openly share our faith; other places we get killed for it; and even so, those are the places that need to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ the most.
And yes, i want to re-iterate the "sticking-out one's neck" because through sharing our faith we are persecuted, hated, and reviled socially. But why continue? Because we know the value of a soul. It is such a priviledge to lead someone to Christ, when someone who has never heard the Gospel (translated: Good News) and you tell them and a light-bulb turns on in there minds about life with God and they find out who they really are they can claim victory over anything in their life. You name it, its already been won in Jesus. He said on the cross "it is finished".

The awkward feeling you get, that is the enemy of your soul putting up a defense against the redeeming Word of God. The enemy of your soul will do anything it can to keep you from knowing who you are in God through Jesus Christ. We are meant to rule and reign with Jesus in the Kingdom of God. But if the deceiver can keep us from receiving what is rightfully ours, which is citizenship in the Kingdom of God through the death and resurrection of Jesus, then Satan has already won.

Next time you get that awkward feeling, check it. "i'm not running from anything!" "nothing and no one can make me do anything i don't want to." God created you that way, free will to choose what to believe.

Yes! the light of the lamp is Jesus Christ. How can anyone who knows Him keep it hidden. He shall proclaim the Lord's goodness that all may know Him! Gospel of John chapter 1 says Jesus is the light of men.

I will correct you about the prayer statement: "correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s just one way to pray and when you pray you know who you are praying to."

There are many ways to pray and many prayers to pray. There are prayers of faith, which is: praying only one time (in perfect faith) and believing you have received it and therefore you have it (Mark 11:24); there are prayers of salvation: when someone comes to receive Christ as their Lord and Savior (Romans10:9-10); there are prayers of supplication: which is asking for a need; then there is the "model prayer" (Matthew 6:9-13), and others that i can't remember off the top of my head.

Do you know why we tag on "...in Jesus name" at the end of our prayers? If we just say our prayers concluding with our names, our prayers will not go any further than the ceiling. For God is so Holy and perfect, He cannot even look upon sin (and our sin natures) since the fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden. But since the "second Adam", that is Christ, died in our place on the cross. We have a direct connection to God through Jesus, if we receive Him as or Lord and Savior. Hebrews 7:25 says:"Therfore He (that is Jesus) is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them." Meaning Jesus lives to be our link to the Father (God) because He was the only sinless man to walk the earth and therefore through Jesus the Father hears us, thus the tag "...in Jesus name." And we should rejoice, in that God gave us a name above all names to pray by, ensuring that our prayers go directly to Him. If we receive Jesus Christ a our Lord and Savior we are given the authority to use His name, it has power to rebuke demons, rebuke sickenss and disease, rebuke poverty, break addictions, heal broken hearts and broken relationships, and a whole lot of other things that keep you from having the God kind of life.

The Old testament has all the rules for offerings and sacrifices that the nation of Israel are to give to God and how they were supposed to live a godly life separate from those around them at that time.

And plus the bible IS a fat book, written over thousands of years. but better than being a fat book, its the living Word of God; meaning you can read some scripture and God will reveal one thing to you; then read the same scripture another time in your life and God will make you see other things in that scripture that pertain to your life right now. That's the power of the Word.

Do you want to have a conversation with God? Pray and read the Word. In your prayer life: you talk to God, in your Bible study: God talks to you. And you want to be in God's presence? Begin to praise Him, for the Bible says He dwells in our praises.

So being an oral tradition, can you trace the lineage of knowledge to its origin beyond let say, 3 generations?

The paranoia of secrecy. Why?

The Bible is translated into many reading ability levels and languages. So that anyone who seeks Him can find Him. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is for all men (women too). And God is no respecter of men: rich, poor, smart, not so smart, whatever, we are all his children.

The Bible is:

B-asic
I-nstructions
B-efore
L-eaving
E-arth

Are you a jehovah's witness? If not, then what kind of Christian are you?

No i am not a Jehovah's Witness. And when you ask "what kind of Christian?" i think you mean denomination? right?
Does it matter?

What denomination is more valid than the next?

Or further, you may be asking what kind of church do i worship at? i worship at a so-called pentecostal, word-faith, bible based church that is non-denominational. I've only been walking with Christ for 3 years, before 2004 i was in deep with shamans. But that life is over, a new life in Christ has begun- and all things are made new, really!

If you do some reseach, you will find that Jehovah''s Witnesses are considered a cult and not a recognized denomination of the Christian faith.
Ask them if they believe in the deity of Jesus Christ, the Son of God: all God and man in one body?

If anyone comes to your door professing God, just ask them: "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, born of a virgin by the Holy Spirit, who lived a sinless life and who died an atoning death on the cross at calvary, as the sacrifice of God for our redemption from sin, who rose again from the dead on the third day, resurrected into everlasting life, and who is now sitting at the right hand of God?"

If there is any conflict with the previous statement, slam the door on their faces and walk away. They are not Bible breathing Christians, for the previous statement/question is at the center of what Christianity is all about.

i don't think i need to defend my religion to you altho i do want to say that it's people like you who make me wary of (and possibly dislike) people who goes to church...but....yes there is a but...i will not categorize all christians and catholics as people who attack other religion(s). i have met many open-minded christians who does not attack or feel the need to make me (or any other person with different religion) defend my religion just because it's different.

From anthropological studies, archeological studies and historic records (encounters from Chinese soruces) it is YES.



Because certain information in the wrong hands can be harmful.




Theres no proof that your religion is any more valid than any other religions.
Jews will believe in one thing. Muslims will believe in another. Buddhist will believe in something else etc etc.

but all Christians sects accuse other religious sects as either being heretics or cults. Why do you think there was a history of warring conflict being Protestants and Catholics etc. for several hundred years. Some would argue that Christainaity was nothing but a cult to begin with. Ever heard of David Koresh & The Branch Davidians? (his followers believe he was Christ for crying out load)

Have you gone through the religious posts in the debate section? Many of the things you have said is nothing new.

Who do you believe in? Is it Buddah, Jehova or Jah? Or Allah? Is it Jesus? Is it God? Or is just yourself? Definately not to be imposed cuz this is the joy of the movement. Men, to believe in yourselves but for sure, the higher power resides only to ride through the hearts of the true from the soul of the man, for truth never has an alibi in the poetry or in this round. That's what pulls our words together. Just to understand that every man is his own man and only man can satisfy the man. Only the soul of the man, the feelings of the man, the "for realness" of the man. You can't shake the man when you feel the man. You know the man and you gotta call yourself because you are that man!

Who do you believe in? I put my faith in god, blessed and still breathin...and even though it's hard that's who I believe in. Before I'm leaving, I'm asking the grieving, "Who do you believe in?"

1 Corinthians 1:18 (New International Version)

(Christ the Wisdom and Power of God)
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Your post is no different than any of the other Christians that has posted in the past (and rather quite predictable as well).

Let me guess.
1) intolerance for other religions
2) everyone is wrong but only your right
3) God loves you ....but if you don't believe your going to burn in hell (the carrot and stick tactic)
4)you have never seriously studied any other religion other than your own etc.

You know Islam also say to non believers that they can be saved too.... yada yada yada etc.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here, other than preaching, but here's my thought:

My father was a shaman, and I believe what they can do. I can't deny that I believe that. I'm aslo a Christian since my father passed away when I was a child. What is "Faith" to you, may not be to someone else. Everyone has their own beliefs.

Shamanism does not necessary mean devils or demons. They do good as well as bad, depending on the person and situations. Christians, Catholics, they also do good and bad. I mean look what's been on the news lately! It's the person, not the religion.

I also believe that Jesus is the way and I can only hope that when my time comes, I'll find my way to him, but for now, I believe in what I believe. I believe there is a God and he is good. I believe that if I'm a good person, I will meet him one day. But don't throw your faith and beliefs in others faces and hope that they see what you see.

I don't understand why you would ask us to pray for a sign to show us that Jesus is real. There is no signs, no lightening shooting across the sky. If you believe in your heart that he is real, than he is real. If there's even a doubt in your mind for you to say that prayer, than you really don't believe in him as much as you might lead us to believe.

This of course is just my thought....

All I have to say is, go solve your own christian problem b4 you come here and start preaching to us....and Yes I KNOW you christians have a lot of problem........

If we dont believe in jesus oh well, we shaman dont make any threads questioning christians faith do we???

Yes I also do believe that our religion is more of a verbal thing to learn because hmong people couldnt really afford paper back then or could most of them even read in hmong. So yeah when we do our thing its watch, learn, and most importantly listen so you can one day pass on your religion

We don't need a menu script nor a book to tell us how to run our lives. For us unbelievers/non-christians, it's spiritual ceremonies are on a need to do basis...

^^ im a shamanism believer.

and i dont think that it's right for other religion to bull shi* other religion.
i mean, if one religion is better than another, then why do they need to
put down the other religions?

i believe, you believe what you do.
shamanism, christianity, catholics...

so... if you want to pray 3 times a day, go ahead.

and if i want to jingle bell, let me do that too, okay??

True that Hmong people who follow the traditional ways have no manuscript, however can the opposite be said for you Christians? The Bible was written over a period of 1400 to 1800 years by more than 40 different authors. How much of the Bible was written by Jesus himself? The Bible is considered by his followers to be his words, yet He is not the author. Sounds fishy, no?

it seems like the topic starter hasn't been back. i guess he never really wanted an answer nor listen to what people had to say...he just wanted to say how much better he is because of his religion. useless thread.

I don't think they can tell whether it's fishy or not but they just take it literally as truth from their preachers. It's so easy to manipulate those young and innocent minds.