Asia Finest Discussion Forum > There's A Language N Sabah Malaysia Called Bisaya?

dalawapo

Jul 9 2004, 01:41 PM

Does anyone know about this, is it related to the visayan languages of the philippines:

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BISAYA, SABAH: a language of Malaysia (Sabah)
SIL code: BSY
ISO 639-2: map

Population 10,000 to 12,000 (1985 SIL).
Region On the coast north of and around Brunei Bay, mainly in west Beaufort along Padas River, south of Weston, and south Kuala Penyu districts to coast.
Alternate names BASAYA, BESAYA, BISAIA, BISAYAH, JILAMA BAWANG, JILAMA SUNGAI
Classification Austronesian, Malayo-Polynesian, Western Malayo-Polynesian, Borneo, Northwest, Sabahan, Dusunic, Bisaya.
Comments 90% intelligibility with Tatana. 58% lexical similarity with Sarawak Bisaya, 57% to 59% with Brunei Bisaya ('Dusun'). Negative attitudes toward Tatana and Coastal Kadazan. Both North and South Bisaya are in Sabah (Wurm and Hattori 1981). Most people are educated to primary level, not many to secondary.

Entries from the SIL Bibliography about this language:
Dunn, Phyllis A. 1984. "The Bisaya language."

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=BSY

Forumwalker

Jul 10 2004, 03:11 AM

the Bisaya you're referring is a language of Malaysia? it's possible coz the 'Bisaya' in the Philippines refers to the people living in the Visayas Islands in Central Philippines. it can also be associated to people speaking Hiligaynon, Akeanon, Karay-a, Cebuano and Waray, but is mainly associated to Cebuano speaking people because many speak that dialect.

dalawapo

Jul 10 2004, 03:42 AM

so is it related to philippine bisayan?

Forumwalker

Jul 10 2004, 03:51 AM

actually, i don't know..

but probably not closely related. i mean, the cebuano dialect doesn't even encompass the philippines. how much more to spread far out from the islands..

dalawapo

Jul 10 2004, 03:57 AM

well maybe it would be best if u had not said much about it! because i was very confused!

Rocky Cuong V

Jul 10 2004, 10:32 AM

QUOTE (dalawapo @ Jul 9 2004, 02:41 PM)

Does anyone know about this, is it related to the visayan languages of the philippines:

QUOTE

BISAYA, SABAH: a language of Malaysia (Sabah)
SIL code: BSY
ISO 639-2: map

Population 10,000 to 12,000 (1985 SIL).
Region On the coast north of and around Brunei Bay, mainly in west Beaufort along Padas River, south of Weston, and south Kuala Penyu districts to coast.
Alternate names BASAYA, BESAYA, BISAIA, BISAYAH, JILAMA BAWANG, JILAMA SUNGAI
Classification Austronesian, Malayo-Polynesian, Western Malayo-Polynesian, Borneo, Northwest, Sabahan, Dusunic, Bisaya.
Comments 90% intelligibility with Tatana. 58% lexical similarity with Sarawak Bisaya, 57% to 59% with Brunei Bisaya ('Dusun'). Negative attitudes toward Tatana and Coastal Kadazan. Both North and South Bisaya are in Sabah (Wurm and Hattori 1981). Most people are educated to primary level, not many to secondary.

Entries from the SIL Bibliography about this language:
Dunn, Phyllis A. 1984. "The Bisaya language."

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=BSY

OIc, that quiet an interesting facts! i am learning something here. But hey i think i will forgot about this in about 5min. It just comes in 1 ear and go out the other ear

I_YaH

Jul 10 2004, 11:14 AM

cool ! then they can communicate with each other pala...
kung sabagay kung sabah nga yan e dati atin naman tlg yan eh.

Rocky Cuong V

Jul 10 2004, 09:09 PM

I forgot about it already. right after sleeping time.

Forumwalker

Jul 10 2004, 10:42 PM

QUOTE (dalawapo @ Jul 10 2004, 06:57 PM)

well maybe it would be best if u had not said much about it! because i was very confused!

actually you're confusing yourself. i was just telling that it is possible that they have a language called Bisaya but isn't actually(probably) the same with the Bisaya in the Philippines since:

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the 'Bisaya' in the Philippines refers to the people living in the Visayas Islands in Central Philippines. it can also be associated to people speaking Hiligaynon, Akeanon, Karay-a, Cebuano and Waray, but is mainly associated to Cebuano speaking people because many speak that dialect.

but if they are really related to the Philippine Bisaya, then maybe the Malaysians and Filipinos have a common language after all.. hehe

dalawapo

Jul 10 2004, 10:57 PM

but u dont even know man... ur as clueless as me about this topic!

Forumwalker

Jul 10 2004, 11:02 PM

i posted on this topic about what I KNOW.

dalawapo

Jul 10 2004, 11:07 PM

yeah well your statements had nothing to do with where or not malaysian bisayan is related to philippine bisayan!

parok_mah

Jul 11 2004, 01:24 AM

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cool ! then they can communicate with each other pala...
kung sabagay kung sabah nga yan e dati atin naman tlg yan eh.

yes it may be possible..

history has it...

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(dalawapo @ Jul 10 2004, 06:57 PM)

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well maybe it would be best if u had not said much about it! because i was very confused!

actually you're confusing yourself. i was just telling that it is possible that they have a language called Bisaya but isn't actually(probably) the same with the Bisaya in the Philippines since:

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the 'Bisaya' in the Philippines refers to the people living in the Visayas Islands in Central Philippines. it can also be associated to people speaking Hiligaynon, Akeanon, Karay-a, Cebuano and Waray, but is mainly associated to Cebuano speaking people because many speak that dialect.

i dont know if this can help.. i think Forumwalker's point in this is that 'Bisaya' in the Phil refers to people. while 'Bisaya' in Malaysia refers to a language.

but since the Cebuano dialect used the Phil is mistakenly called by most of its locals as Bisaya, we can say that the word 'Bisaya' can practically also refer to a dialect. therefore.....

wahaha...

i myself is getting confused about this....

sory...

flipcombatmedic

Jul 11 2004, 05:37 AM

it wouldn't be a big deal if it was related, to me i look at the malay territories and distribution as a big pi, we got many different people yet we are all the same. since the dialects/cultures/tribes name in philippines like tagalog, ilocano, tausug, ie taga ilog, ilog cano, tao sug? and many others literally mean "people from the river" the present borders of countries we now kow as malaysia indonesia and pi were not political nor cultureal boundaries for malay people before, think of it as the native americans, malay are technically one people but they all have seperate identiteis, since living away from each other had created differences and the need to identify or differetiate each other from each other, but they are still the same people and the same language, to the roots, i mean i was watching a komodo dragon documentary two years ago and this idnonesian guy was narrating his experience, there were translation in english on top, but the indonesian guy i thought i could understand him a bit. i thought he was speaking bicolano.