With effective population management,

can China and India keep its population

around 1 billion in each country in the future?

Please be civil and share your constructive comments.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population

Rank Country / Territory / Entity Population Date % of World Population Source
— World 6,671,226,000 July 1, 2007 100% UN estimate
1 People's Republic of China 1,319,000,000[2] 19.77% Official Chinese Population clock
2 India 1,169,016,000[3] 17.52% UN estimate
3 United States 301,950,000 4.53% Official USA Population clock
4 Indonesia 231,627,000 3.47% UN estimate
5 Brazil 186,500,000 2.8% Official Brazilian Population clock
6 Pakistan 163,630,000 2.45% Official Pakistani Population clock
7 Bangladesh 158,665,000 2.38% UN estimate
8 Nigeria 148,093,000 2.22% UN estimate
9 Russia 142,499,000 2.14% UN estimate
10 Japan 127,720,000 March 1, 2007 1.91% Official Japan Statistics Bureau estimate
11 Mexico 103,263,388 Oct. 17, 2005 1.55% Official Mexico INEGI estimate

This thread will soon turn into another China vs India thread. You might just delete this thread, you know the posters of this forum too well.

Thanks, Tony.

I create this thread for civil discussion.

I hope we don't let some people ruin this thread.

Give me an AK with lots of rounds....and i'll do the job .

both of you stink and are dirty!

OMG so many people live in bangladesh.

Act civilised please, I know you hate China.

A big war is a good method of culling a growing population me thinks!

difficult, but in the far away future, population will drop, but in the near future, population will burst... when india's economy really booms, its population will burst like hell, trust me that is what happened to south korea; when its economy exploded its population also increased dramatically

You could always try but most likely you'll end up like these poor people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXC5RxhZUYw

Or even worse these

http://www.ibiblio.org/mongol-tibet/archive/genocide.html

yea it is possible.

the oldies eventually will die.

a great number of things could happen that could dramatically reduce the number of ppl in each country. aside from gov't programs which both nations have used and continue to use, things such as military conflicts, natural disaters, social change, and disease could significantly reduce the population.

when you ask if "China" or "India" could keep the pop in check, i assume you mean the gov't, and one of the best ways (i think) that they use is to empower women (i'm not suggesting that women are completely oppressed in these nations. women have come a long way in both nations). when women have greater accessibility to education and job opportunities, fertility drops.

I think it's the knock on effect of empowered women that you're referring to, rather than empowering women themselves. What I mean is as women become more involved in education and move onto careers, their lifestyle changes to be more business-centric, rather than family-centric.

However, for that to happen it's a case of wider cultural changes. I'm not convinced it's necessarily a positive way to go either. Not to say that people (women and men) shouldn't be allowed to live their life as they please, but rather once people are pushed to chase after a greater job or more money, it has other effects on the culture. Developed countries such as the US, UK and Japan all face these drawbacks. Japan is notoriously well known for the amount of hours people do at work, resulting in weaker family units in modern times (good example being that condition some housewives get when their husband retires from working). Studies done in the UK suggest that it has the most depressed kids in Europe, attributed to adults in the UK having the longest working hours in Europe, the most disfunctional families and lack of activity between family members. US is pretty much now a culture based on the "almighty $", where people are often so obssessed they sue others for nothing.

I also think that rural areas in both nations need consideration, as often you'll find the largest families reside in these areas.

Finally, the situation with the population in both nations must be considered. China already tried a drastic measure to control the population with the one child policy. This has resulted in unforseen problems, most importantly an ageing population and gender imbalance.

India is kind of the opposite. Its population is growing fast (a big problem in the future if it continues), but also young.

What if Chinese and Indians invade your country? Now you are free to piss your pants.

Oh, geez, not again.

The faster your population grows, the more mouths you will have to feed. The majority of them will be a liability to the country. There comes a time in a country's development where you must focus on quality, not quantity. As Chinese develops a more advanced economy, it will need more educated people and less manual laborers although cheap manufacturing will always be a Chinese advantage since there are still more than enough people.

Ya i would like to contribute to this topic as well.

I read in one of the history book about one child policy in China. Before carrying out the policy, the statistics planners already did a lot of survey and statistic research and they drew a very good statistic graph, showing that, family with 3 child in 2030 = severe hunger and poverty, family with 2 children in 2030 = financial problem, mild food shortage, family with 1 child = decent wealth, better standard living. And I believe that's why the one child policy was implemented. Yes a huge population is really hard to control and sometimes can be regarded as burden, so it is better to reduce the population. A huge population only consume more resources, and China already has enough problem fighting for resources around the world, A huge problem, but not enough land for housing, not enough arable land for farming, then where are they gonna get the food to feed that huge population ?? There are still a lot of aspects we need to look at when it comes to huge population, extremely high population density, food shortage leads to diseases, uneducated people. Even if China wants to loosen its one child policy now, the urban people would not want to have more children, it is those farmers in the rural areas will compete giving birth, and what is a good point of having a huge number of people living in rural areas, where they are more likely to become uneducated, and end up as slave labour in urban areas. A small population, it is much easier to control the crime rate, much easier to provide education, sanitation.Rural people are usually lowly educated people, who are not well aware of hygiene and are more prone to diseases. There is really no need for the high population in rural areas, hi-tech can take care of farming easily

What is it about Chinese and Indians and their love of multiplying? It seems as though we're the only human groups throughout history that did so proudly for better or for worse.

it seems Chinese are finding ways to reduce the population. LOL

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070529/wl_nm/china_smoking_dc

Maybe less then a billion each. Let them nuke each other. Everyone else can pick up the pieces. Yay!!!

Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to suggest that India's fast growing population is necessarily a positive thing. On the contrary, there must be some control otherwise there will be trouble (argubly, there already is). I'm merely saying it's different to China's current situation (or rather, it's a little similar to China in the past, when it had an extremely fast growing population).

Both China and India have population issues to deal with which are quite different, but simply decreasing them is only one element of the discussion.

Yea, yea, we get it okay? China is going have over half of its population over 65 years old by 2010 whereas India has a young and dynamic population. China is a failing state whereas India is going to succeed in the long term. Heard it like 1000 times from you Indian kids.

Hi All

I would like to thank most of you for having the courage to discuss this topic civilly.

Really? By 2010, half of China's population is gonna be over 65? Thats awesome. That means our population is going to drop tremendously!! Lesser people + big economy = richer nation per capita

I am very excited

yeah this is what the government is aiming for... but on india's side i don't see any progress... there will be lots of problems like that... the will be a civil war for sure in the future if the population numbers are not in check (further sill india speaks so many different languages hindi, tamil, punjab, imagine a civil war between all these different people)

oooooh I'm just imagining a buncha beautiful chinese girls dressed nicely walking the streets

China and India has also a problem in Male to Female ratio where there a big gap in Males outnumbering Females. Most of the men in those countries will not find a partner for marriage and it would be very lonely.

that will cause them to have lots of rape cases and a lot of aids... hey you guys know that recently, india has surpassed africa as having more people with aids? now india is dangerous

There is never going to be a civil war in India. Each Indian state is proud of thier heritage but are not enemies. They work together for the greater good of the union.

Wtf have you posted. It is all crap. You don't have any knowledge about India.

Korea is the place where civil wars happen. And they speak the same language.

Martin_nuke, speaking about gender imbalances in the population, I'd say you're half correct with regards to India. The last census that was done showed roughly 48% women to 52% men. However, it does seem the female population in India has increased and so slowly (very slowly actually), it is balancing out, though really even now it isn't too bad when compared to the world statistics of about 49% women and 51% men.

With regards to China, the most recent reports I saw in the media suggested the gender imbalance there is roughly 55% men to 45% women and worsening still, which is obviously quite a large difference.

As for comments about India having a civil war, not very likely and as for China's ageing population resulting in a a drop with strong economy, it's not that simple, as there will be new problems to face after that occurs. Nothing to say China shouldn't be able to deal with it.

Socal, do us a favour in the future and not mention India in Chinese chat when creating threads.

Please act civilised like Socal suggested please. Both China and India have huge population and need to address the population problem