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BAE in talks with Mitsubishi

BAE Systems, Europe's biggest arms manufacturer, is in discussions to license the manufacturing of the Euro­fighter jet to Japan's Mitsubishi Heavy if the aircraft wins an export competition worth tens of billions of dollars.

A purchase of the Euro­fighter Typhoon would signal a watershed for Japan, which until now has bought fighters only from the US, its closest military ally.

But there is a growing sentiment among bureaucrats and politicians that Japan should collaborate more with European companies in order to have better access to cutting-edge technology.

Nigel Whitehead, group managing director of BAE's military air solutions, said yesterday that Japan had this year expressed an interest in buying a European fighter for the first time.

"There is a sense of lost opportunity within the Japanese defence forces in the nature of the collaboration programmes they could be involved in beyond the confines of their relations with the US," Mr Whitehead told the Financial Times.

But analysts say cosying up to the Eurofighter consortium could be a ploy to press the US on price and access to highly sensitive technology. Japan's air force wants to buy the F-22 Raptor, built by Lockheed Martin, but current US law prohibits its export.

Tokyo is also considering Lockheed's F-35 Lightning II, which is already on order with a number of foreign air forces, including the UK and Italy. Tokyo will also assess Boeing's F-15 Eagle and F-18 Hornet.

BAE is in discussions with Mitsubishi Heavy (MHI) about a progressive licence manufacturing agreement, Mr Whitehead said. "The idea is that we would transfer the ability to manufacture the aircraft to [Mitsubishi] and they could have the ability to upgrade and develop the aircraft themselves."

A delegation from Mitsubishi, which declined to comment last night, and the defence ministry travelled to the UK earlier this year to see the Typhoon's production site. Japanese pilots also tested the Typhoon, made by a consortium comprising BAE, EADS, the Franco-German defence group and Italy's Finmeccanica.

Japan needs to replace its fleet of 90 F-4 Phantoms, which went into service in 1971, and also plans to retire 200 F-15 fighters. The defence ministry is understood to be studying all available options and will make a final decision by early next year. The procurement deal could run to tens of billions of dollars.

The attraction of the Typhoon is that Mitsubishi – which manufactures the F-15 under licence from Boeing – could continue developing its technological expertise by building a next-generation fighter. Transfers of F-35 technology could be more sensitive.

Takatoshi Hosoya, president of the Society of Japanese Aerospace Companies, Japan's biggest industry consortium, said yesterday that he would like to see greater links with European companies. "In terms of the size of business [the relationship with European aerospace companies] is still limited compared with US firms."
Ogumo
I would rather japan build it's own generation of fighters domestically. However this is not an option at the present. So I'd rather japan buy from the europeans than the the U.S. built fighter.
Suijen
QUOTE(Ogumo @ Jun 18 2007, 01:13 PM) [snapback]3012066[/snapback]
I would rather japan build it's own generation of fighters domestically. However this is not an option at the present. So I'd rather japan buy from the europeans than the the U.S. built fighter.


Considering that the US isn't selling it's F-22s and the Eurofighter's on sale, it's only natural for Japan to choose that one.
Mua
eurofighters are overpriced and are ineffective.
Ogumo
QUOTE(Suijen @ Jun 18 2007, 06:16 PM) [snapback]3012249[/snapback]
Considering that the US isn't selling it's F-22s and the Eurofighter's on sale, it's only natural for Japan to choose that one.


The last I heard they were considering changing laws to allow the F-22 sale to japan. Although that was a few months ago.

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eurofighters are overpriced and are ineffective.


The F-22 is also overpriced.
Suijen
^ You really think the US will sell its latest fighter?
Eastern_Knight
F-35 would be more likely?
tinman01
Eurofighter is an excellent platform. I don't feel that its as good as the F-22 but it is a match for just about anything else in Japans neighborhood.
BND
QUOTE(Ogumo @ Jul 3 2007, 11:04 AM) [snapback]3038821[/snapback]
The last I heard they were considering changing laws to allow the F-22 sale to japan. Although that was a few months ago.
The F-22 is also overpriced.


of cource its coing to be super expensive...the F-22 is the only true 5th generation air dominance fighter

its like going for an xbox 360 over a PS3 cuz the PS3 is 200 dollars more then the 360 embarassedlaugh.gif
even though the Ps3 is a more superior system
BigBenChow
Japan should develope gundams. They have way too much money, no excuse not to.
Red Fox Ace
QUOTE(Eastern_Knight @ Jul 3 2007, 02:46 PM) [snapback]3039098[/snapback]
F-35 would be more likely?


Japan wants a twin-engined aircraft; F-35 is single-engined. Two engines are better suited for Japan in case one engine fails - Japan is islands separated by wide expanses of water.
Red Fox Ace
QUOTE(Suijen @ Jul 3 2007, 11:15 AM) [snapback]3038838[/snapback]
^ You really think the US will sell its latest fighter?


Perhaps a really watered-down version to Japan, and to Japan only. The US does not want to see a slippery slope where F-22s end up being sold to other allies such as Australia, South Korea, and Israel (all 3 of whom have also expressed interest in the Raptor.) The US might be willing to sell if Japan is a one-time deal exception only.
bangaroo
US never sell their F-22, it's like when first F-15 came out, very few countries are actually can buy F-15 from US or have license to manufacture them.

Perhaps in 15 yrs time, US might sell F-22 to Japan and rest of it's allies. At the moment US is planning to sell F-35s to all of it's allies, already Israel, SK have express interested, which is again slimer version of it's original full option F-35, may b just F-35a.
michinobu_zoned
QUOTE(bangaroo @ Sep 19 2007, 01:12 AM) [snapback]3217462[/snapback]
US never sell their F-22, it's like when first F-15 came out, very few countries are actually can buy F-15 from US or have license to manufacture them.

Perhaps in 15 yrs time, US might sell F-22 to Japan and rest of it's allies. At the moment US is planning to sell F-35s to all of it's allies, already Israel, SK have express interested, which is again slimer version of it's original full option F-35, may b just F-35a.

Plus, they make those joint-strike aircrafts for like NATO and stuff, right?
bangaroo
QUOTE(michinobu_zoned @ Sep 19 2007, 06:59 PM) [snapback]3219251[/snapback]
Plus, they make those joint-strike aircrafts for like NATO and stuff, right?


Yap, that's US's decision. I've heard F-35 is useless plane without stealth system, and not better than upgraded version of F-15/16/18 in terms of running cost.
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