Lots of reference books published abroad as well as locally occasionally promote that the Philippines is 95% Malay.

First of all, the term Malay is misleading, since it is the Malays of Malaysia who came from the Philippines, and that the right term is Austronesian to denote our maritime origins. (Austros: southern, nesos: islands).

Second, even if the reference books wrote 95% Austronesian, it is still very misleading, since the Filipinos are not really that homogenous. A simple walk in, say, the LRT-MRT connecting stations in Recto will reveal that it's more of a 60% Austronesian, 20% Chinese-Austronesian, 15% Caucasian-Austronesian, and 5% Pure White, Indian, Arab, or Black.

malay stock is in alot of countries, not just malaysia. Just call yourself filipino

I cant call that the Philippines.

Malay (Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia) is just a branch of Austronesian which extends from Madagascar of Africa to Easter Islands near South America.

U cant base the whole Philippines by what u see in the city. There's a lot higher percentage of Chinese & white ppl there...

Filipino genetics is composed of two main haplogroups, one is from Southern China (non-Han Chinese) and the other is Austronesian from Taiwan

And you're basing this where? Manila? Visayas and Mindanao dont have alot of chinese population but we have more of that indian/arab look.

Thats cuz the ancestors of people from Visayas and Mindanao r from Malaysia and Indonesia....

Huh? The city regions of Cebu, Negros, and Panay have significant Chinese and even Spanish admixtures. What part of the Visayas are you talking about? Just out in the provinces?

Im from PANAY, in the province of Aklan and i lived there for 16 years, and ive only saw couple of rich chinese families in my entire life there. I've been around Iloilo, Cebu and Negros and they have more of that dark indian/arab (Malay?) than chinese or Spanish look.

I agree that Ilonggo, Aklanon, Capiznon/Visayan people make up the majority (my family is from Iloilo & Bacolod), but there are very large and old Chinese and Spanish mestizo communities in the CITY REGIONS of the Visayas. LOL, there's more to the Visayas (and Panay, for that matter) than the province of Aklan... I do like Aklan though.

Iloilo City, Bacolod, Bago, La Carlota, San Carlos, Silay City, Cadiz, Talisay, Cebu City, etc. all have significant Chinese and Spanish heritage. More than just a "couple of rich Chinese families." Get real.

WTV dude! ive never seen chinese looking people in Philippines except on TV and that 1 big chinese family that own a big factory in my neighbourhood. Thats just my personal observation.

for real? so is MINE! my mom is from bacolod. kabalo ka maghiligaynon?

lol you serious..I'm from Mindanao, i saw a few last time i visited.

Actually, the one from Southern China is really Han Chinese mixed With Vietnamese. In fact, American-born Filipino anthropologist Otley Beyer proposed that a significant minority of today's Filipinos directly came through balanghais from Vietnam.

We must remember that the Southern Chinese are too different from those living in the North. The Northern Chinese have mixtures of Mongol and Caucasoid blood, and that makes them way more whiter than Caucasians, and some Northern chinese do have blue eyes and red hair.

Southern Chinese, where all of the Philippine Chinese belong, are actually descendants of the Vietnamese who were later Sinicized by the invading Han Chinese through intermarriage - that's why most Southern Chinese (and so, the Chinese of the Philippines) are brown-skinned just like Filipinos. To this day, the Chinese in the Philippines speak an archaic dialect very far removed from the language of the North. Some linguists came as far to propose that the Southern Chinese are actually Austronesians who were just Sinicized.

Genetically speaking, the Southern chinese are closer to the Filipinos and to Malays than to Northern Chinese.

majority of us are malays... period..

ignorance is bliss.

that made me laugh



Question: Whos that big dark dude in your sig? Is he mixed with black or indian?

1) I agree with your comment on what is commonly called Malay is really Austronesian people. In Malaysia Malays and Indonesian are a group of people who speak a language called Behasa Malay and in Indonesia Behasa Indonesian. These languages are closely related. The primary difference is in Indonesia the language added many Dutch words. This occured because Indonesia was a Ducth colony. The Malaysian version is probably closer to what the ancestors of the Malay people spoke.

In Malaysia and Indonesia the entire predominently of Austronesian ancestry. The term Austronesians includes Filipino, Indonesians, Malaysians, Timorese, Chamorru, Polynesians, Micronesians, and some Melenesians.

Filipino are not technically the same as what Indonesians and Malaysians call Malay people, however Filipinos are what is internationally called Austronesians.


2) I would disagree on your numbers and break down of the Philippine population. The Philippines is not 15% Caucasian-Austronesian aka Mestizo. The European-Caucasians mixed group would be no more then 5% some have said 3.6%. The Chinese-Austronesian population dwarfs the Caucasian-Autronesian population. The pure Austronesian population is way greater then 60%

Visayas and Mindanao dont look $hit like Arabs. Thats statement is based on what ? The Muslims in Mindanao dont look anything like Indians or Arabs. They look more like Malaysians and Indonesians who themselves dont look $hit like Arabs or Indians. Come on just be Filipino and proud. Let's not assume we are this or that with no family records to prove it.

In the Rizal Province of Luzon there are many Indian looking filipinos and we call them the sepoys. There are also many Indian looking Filipinos in Tatay, Cainta and Pasig. Historically many Indian Soldiers settled in Rizal Province during the Spanish Era and were abandoned by the British.

Not disputing it, but what the guy posted made it seems as if Mindanao and Bisayans look like Indian/Arabs. I have yet to see Filipino look like an Indian. Even more so like an Arab. Muslim Filipino dont look anything like Arabs. They look exactly the same as Christian Filipino. Its a religious difference, they're not different races or anything.

Muslim Filipino Sutans (=kings) had ''tarsilas'', or genealogy records that proves that they are descendded from the propher Mohammad. While it may not be true that Visayans look Indians or Arabs, many Muslim Filipinos do.

Indian-looking Filipinos are present in the vicinity of Cainta and Taytay, though most Indian-descended or half-Indians in the Philippines today are mostly blended in with Philippine society because most of them look similar. The vast majority of the Indians here in the Philippines are Punjabi, who are characterized by dark-brown skin, darker than the Filipino average, dark eyes, and dark hair. EVen their facial structures are fairly similar, except that the Punjabi's noses are more prominent than the Filipinos. Ramon Bagatsing is an example of an Indian-looking Filipino. His grandfather was from India, a Bhagat Singh.

So Bagatsing is an Indian name no wonder why Raymond Bagatsing has also Indian features.

Ah for fuk sake what part of "my personal observation" you dont understand? You're not Filipino, you didnt live 16 years of your life in Philippines and i have. I shouldnt have said they look exactly indian though but alot of them resemble indians like alot of my relatives.

If you guys go to the top universities and schools in Davao City, Gensan and South Cotabato, you'll see a lot of Spanish mestizos. Greatly outnumbering the Chinese mestizos even if the latter owns all the malls. And there are also quite a few people who look Indian but some of those Indian looking are actually Spanish mestizos. Spanish ancestry doesn't automatically equate with light skin.

Hmmm interesting...

if you're referring to the guy in right-most corner of the 2nd row. no.

he's half tongan, half filipino or so he says

Why is that? He might not be tongan? I think someone brought this dude up before to me, forgot who it was. Not sure if it was Graham. That guys big so I wouldnt be surprised if he had some blood in him. Asi also sounds like it could be some sort of Polynesian name.

It's the other way around actually.. A lot of people out there still think that Asi doesn't really have any Pinoy blood in him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asi_Taulava

Hah, now why would he want to do that? Thats quite odd.

But his mom has the name Hernandez? I take it that means, if its correct, he's only a fourth pinoy?

Reminds me of the Filipino Little League, with 17 year olds hahah.

So that he could play in the PBA? You cant play there if you have no significant pinoy blood.

So its a race thing to play? Not like it bothers me, but I just want to get that straight.

Also, what about the MBA? Ive seen it on TV like twice.

It doesnt sound right but it seems right Thats why its called Philippines Basketball Association.

But they do have imports do, if im not mistaken a team is allowed to have 1 import player from anywhere in the world.

Wheres Al Sharpton when you need him

I am not saying there are no descendents of Indians in the Philippines. There are Indians descendents in South Africa, America, Canada and many other nations of the world. Did you know Jamaica, Trinidad, and other West Indian islands have large Indian populations ? What is a Punjabi nose ? What is a Tamit nose ? What is a Filipino nose ? What is a white nose ? I bet you dont even know. So all darker Filipinos are Indian descent ? Every last dark Filipino is Indian, because Ocrapdm says so. Aeta are dark so they must be Indian. Ilongo can be dark, so they're Indian. My wife is Visayan and so you're saying she's Indian, opps you said she looks Indian huh ? My wife is laughing at you, because all Visayan people dont look Indian. BS most Filipinos dont look Indian.

I am responding to you saying Visayans and Mindanao people look Indian. That's false, and I hope you know its false. I really dont understand some of you. First its you guys are Spanish, then Polynesian, now Indian and Arab ? Don't go around saying this stuff because Spanish, Polynesians, Indians, and Arab peoples will laught at you. Come on what's wrong with just being a Filipino ? Sheesh, I am mixed, but I dont claim to be every group I am mixed with sheesh. I really like Filipino people who are proud to be what they are. I respect Allen Pineda, because despite being mixed he ain't ashamed of being Filipino, and telling his true life story.

The former Filipino, Malaysian, and Indonesian sultans did claim to be of the lineage of the Prophet Muhammad. However, this is not the first rulling Muslim group who claims to be his descendents. There are many groups in Africa and Asia who claim to be descendents of Muhammad. For example, Ayotollah Ruhollah Khomeini claimed to despite being a non Arab Iranian of Persian descent, the Hashemites of Jordan claim to be of the line of Muhammad, some Arabian tribes of Sudan like the Manasir and especially the Zuraheb tribes claim to be of Muhammad's family.

Yes, my wife has been living in the Philippines much longer then 16 years, she's Filipina, and she understands. I am not disputing some Filipino may have Indian in them. But let's not start the idea Visayans and Mindanao folks almost all look Indian. Try to run that on someone that never been to the Philippines. My wife is laughing at you hard.

He's at the beauty salon getting his feminine hair done

WTF when did i say that? Tell you wife to laugh at your @$$. I just said we have more of that round eyes, dark-skin ithan chinese looking folks in Visayas and Mindanao which in my personal observation resemble like indians, ive never said most of them are like that. You're a clown bro.

Im not so sure about the Indian?arab/indian look your referring too. But I do agree (in Vasayas) there is definitely a lot of people could pass off as dark indian, ones that fit the popular stereotypical features. Heck most of the spanish filipinos I know can pretty much pass off as arabs.

Lolz i know i shouldnt have said arab but you know what i mean right? you're from Visayas.

My family is spread out all over Visayas and Mindanao, but I guess I would be half Negrense and Half Aklanon.

Let's compare.

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So Called Filipino Mestizo

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Queen Bleach, and she's not beautiful


Yeah, Filipino Mestizo really dont look like Arabs. lol
Come on since I've been in this forum I have seen people say FIlipino are Spanish, Nordic, white, they look like Indians, now Arabs, what next they look like little man from Mars ? Come on its very sad you want to look and be everything under the sun.

well im farely new here and about Philipines, but from what i have seen, Philipinos can pass about just any nationality....except maybe Nordic yeah, not many Nordic looking people hehehehe....

Filipinos cant pass for Arabs. There are many Filipinos in some Arabic countries. They dont fit into the Arab population. Even if they're Muslims. Arabs are a mixture of Afro-Asiatic ( This use of the term Asiatic doesn't mean Mongoloid/Chinese/Filipino or South or Southeast Asian) peoples. Arabs are not related to Filipino, and they dont look like Filipino.

What's next Filipino look like men from Saturn ? This Filipino is/looks like stuff is getting way out of hand. I dont see the other Asian groups posting all of this nonsense. Hmm why do some Filipino want to be some thing they are not ? Chinese, Koreans, Japanese are proud of who they are. Why cant Pinoy be the same way ?

HAHAHA great examples they certainly look arabic not so much second girl, but yes they most definitely have that north african look to them. LOL Its you who is very sad who thinks he has filipinos figured out because hes married to one.

No, I am not Filipino. So your saying the only Filipino I know is my wife ? How do you make such general statements? For your information, I have first cousins, aunts, and some of my cousin's wives are Filipino.These Filipino are proud of being Filipino. They don't see the need to be some thing their not. Most Filipino dont look Indian, and to a greater extent they don't look Arab, North African, Middle Eastern and Filipino have nothing in relation to Afro-Asiatic peoples. You not proud of who you are. I dont see Chinese saying they look like Nordics, I dont see Koreans saying they look like John Major from Australia. I see this in Filipino only. Some Filipino may be of Spanish descent, however the percentage is only 3-5%. That means the great majority of Filipino don't have any Spanish, and it doesn't make the Philippines a Hispanic country. There are many people in Louisiana who are decendents of pure Frenchmen and they're called Cajuns and the descendents of Spanish to lesser amount Portuguese(Iberians). However, you don't hear Cajuns or Lousianna Iberians saying I am "French" or "Spanish". You would hear them say I am Cajun or New Iberian decencent. That's not the same for Filipinos. Most will say I am Spanish or Hispanic, when they're not. They are mixed with Spanish. Mind you Cajuns and New Iberian in Louisanna are pure French or Iberian lineage, and they dont say they're French or Spanish.

There are three groups in Southwest Louisianna:
Cajun: descendents of Pure French, and they are white, not wanna be's like Mestizo
New Iberians: descendents of pure Spanish and Portuguese to a lesser extent. These are not Mestizo, but pure Spanish.
Native Americans: Pure descendents of the Attacapa Indians
Creole: descendents of the French, Spanish and Portuguese, African slaves, and Attacapa Indians.

Each of us are proud to speak the Romance languages.

^ Just because someone says that Filipinos can look like another group doesn't mean they're saying they are related to that group. I think it's the whole brown skin, black hair thing that makes Filipinos able to look like many different races. Half the world has brown skin & black hair. But ne ways, an example of what I was saying in the first sentence, my dad is from Oklahoma & there are lots of Native Americans there, my mom is Filipino and she often gets mistaken for Native American when she goes there. See, Filipinos & Native Americans aren't related (at least not closely) but that doesn't mean that some can't look like each other.

Listen, Filipino and Native Americans Indians are of the same race. Arabs are not of the same race as Filipino. Arabs in Arabia are a mixture of Mediterrian Caucasians and native African peoples. Filipino are not related nor do your Asian/Oriental features look Arab. I know Uzbek and Kazahs may be Mongoloid, but they're not Arabs either. The eastern most Arab country is Iraq and the western most is Morroco. Philippines has nothing to do with Arabs.

I really dont see Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Hmongs, and other Asian groups trying to what they're clearly not. It's sad to see many of you are not proud just being Mongoloid/Oriental peoples. The Spanish mixture in you all is low, and so is the American. The Chinese mixture is far greater then the American and Spanish. Chinese mixture goes back thousands of years possibly. Some of you Filipino also have Korean and Japanese mixtures, but nobody brings that up because they're trying so hard to be Caucasian. You guys are Oriental Asian if you like it or not. Filipino look lik Indonesians, Cambodians, and other Southeast Asians. You guys are not Nordic, Arab, Indian, not American whites, not Jews, not Romans despite you practice the Roman Catholic religion. Face it, and be proud of being Pinoy.

There are three groups in Southwest Louisianna:
Cajun: descendents of Pure French, and they are white, not wanna be's like Mestizo
New Iberians: descendents of pure Spanish and Portuguese to a lesser extent. These are not Mestizo, but pure Spanish.
Native Americans: Pure descendents of the Attacapa Indians
Creole: descendents of the French, Spanish and Portuguese, African slaves, and Attacapa Indians.

Each of us are proud to speak the Romance languages, but we aren't French, Native Americans, Spanish, Portuguese, and we know that.

^ Please... I've read older threads about Koreans & Japanese ppl argeuing over who looks more Caucasian... And there are pleanty of Filipinos who go for the East Asian look. In the Philippines now i'd say the popularity of the Mestizo look is dying out and the East Asian look is more favored. People think Japanese & Koreans are better looking. So you'd rather Filipinos want to look more East Asian? And we're not Oriental. Oriental is East Asian. We're Southeast Asian. Filipinos can look sooo many different ways. I swear, even in my little town, these Filipinos surprise me w/ the way they look. I see new Filipino looks every time there's a Filipino party. And if somebody says that they've seen a Filipino that looks like a different race, why should your opinion override their's? I've seen Filipinos that look black but I bet no one on this forum would believe me.