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AEROFORCE1
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Nearly half of Thai workers overwork

Nearly a century after adopting its first international standard on working time, a new study by the International Labour Office (ILO) estimates that one in five workers worldwide -- over 600 million persons -- stilll work more than 48 hours a week, often just to make ends meet.

Among the countries surveyed, Thailand ranks third with 46.7 per cent of workers putting in more than 48 hours every week.

Globally, Peru topped the list with 50.9 per cent of workers, followed by the Republic of Korea with 49.5 per cent.

In addition, the minimum legal entitlement for an annual holiday in Thailand is also among the lowest of the Asian countries included, which at 10 days or less, is lower than the minimum legal entitlement in Cambodia, Indonesia and Viet Nam.

The new study, Working Time Around the World: Trends in working hours, laws and policies in a global comparative perspective says an estimated 22 per cent of the global workforce, or 614.2 million workers, work "excessively long" hours.

The study spotlights working time in over 50 countries and for the first time explores the implications for working time policies in developing and transition countries. It mainly shows that working hours in developing and transition countries are highly diverse: some work very long hours, others work few hours.

Average working hours in manufacturing worldwide range between 35 to 45 hours per week, but are much longer in a number of developing countries, including Thailand -- the only country where the hours of work in manufacturing average over 59 per week.

Thailand is also the only country where the hours worked in manufacturing are longer than those in the services sectors.

But in some types of services work employees are also working 50 hours or more, including transport storage and communication (50 hours a week), real estate and business actives (50.7), financial intermediation (52.9), health and social work (53.4 hrs). Informal employment is another major source of longer working hours.

Nearly 57 per cent of all self-employed workers in Thailand work over 50 hours per week. Few self-employed people (only one in eight) work less than 35 hours a week.

Almost 80 percent of the Thai self-employed are aged over 41 years old; in the other Asian countries for which data was available (Indonesia, Pakistan and Sri Lanka) the majority are in their 30s or younger.

Shorter working hours, the report says, can have positive benefits to workers' health and family lives, reduced accidents at the workplace, and greater productivity and equality between the sexes. Many short-hour workers in developing and transition countries may be underemployed, and thus more likely to fall into poverty.

"Progress is being made in regulating normal working hours," said Jon C. Messenger of the ILO, who co-directed the study, "but overall the findings of this study are definitely worrying, especially the prevalence of excessively long hours."

Attempts to reduce hours in these countries have been unsuccessful for various reasons including the need of workers to work long hours simply to make ends meet and the widespread use of overtime by employers in an effort to increase output under conditions of low productivity.

The ILO report says that in general, laws and policies on working time have a little influence on actual working hours, especially in terms of maximum weekly hours, overtime payments and informal employment.

The study suggests reducing long working hours to lessen the risk of occupational injuries and illnesses, and their associated costs to workers, employers, and society as a whole; adopting family-friendly working time measures adapted to national circumstances, such as flexi-time, emergency family leave, and part-time work and promoting the development of high quality part-time work. (ILO News/TNA)

I wish I have more lazy time to spend on Af neartears.gif
tangawizi
Do the overworked thai workers take alot of amphetamines (yaabaa) to keep working long hours?
ZturboZ
Interesting icon_confused.gif I always thought the Japanese would top this list

Anyway, long working hours means certain priviledge group heftily benefits from this exploitation.

Labor laws should be in order. If not, union anyone?
noyume
^i thought the japanese would too.
Goombaking209
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jun 10 2007, 01:00 PM) *
Do the overworked thai workers take alot of amphetamines (yaabaa) to keep working long hours?


People take those amphetamines intentionally to work longer to have more money, but they end up becoming addicts. Its sad indeed.
bonkdaddy
i usually associate YAABAA with blue collar workers .. not white collar workers as they're probably on something else besides coffee
Euphoria
I once worked for almost 18 hrs per day. It was a hard period of my life, but I didn't take an amphetamine na. embarassedlaugh.gif
The EDGE
in french it's among 35h a week 5555+
me only 14 hours... and i work at my house too
tangawizi
I actually read about how blue collar workers are using Yaabaa to slave over their long hours of work in this novel about Bangkok called ..... (i got go dig out that book). It seems fairly common that most workers in BKK need to survive on two jobs.

Yaabaa addiction is bad... i got to tell yer that.
AEROFORCE1
When it come to longer hour work ,the worker only produce quantity not quality.

Long hour work here might cause by we are unorganized and using Thai time which is very flexible.
Actually the working hour in the white colar job is quite long because we are unorganized . Instead of tried to finish it on time some worker tend to do it slow enjoy chitchat and snack in the office then the team member also has to stay over time. Some time the boss can be really unorganized no plan and rush things in the last minute. The good things after we finish late is that we enjoy couple drink and meal together.

The example of unorganized work can be seen in our goverment organization. The officer are free on the working time until his boss got order about the job fom the ministry of XXX ,then the worker has to stay and do it over time without pay cuz it urgent but unorganized Why they order in the last minute? Why the minister order in last minute? Is that because he just not organized ,he need to give more time and clearer plan.
tangawizi
Aero, u should send your ministers to Germany or Singapore.

There, they are trained to think like computers, plan 5 years ahead of the competition! biggrin.gif
Arroi
thais have to work long hours because they are simply lazy. They spend half a day b!tching about anything and everything so they have to stay back to complete their works. simple
yokie
QUOTE(Arroi @ Jun 12 2007, 09:46 PM) *
thais have to work long hours because they are simply lazy. They spend half a day b!tching about anything and everything so they have to stay back to complete their works. simple


uhm.. Arroi insulting the people of your own nationality. I don't know what your mother did to you when you were little. sure.gif Anyway is that the proven fact, or it's just something you learn while you work as the mob for hire.
Arroi
QUOTE(yokie @ Jul 1 2007, 12:29 AM) *
uhm.. Arroi insulting the people of your own nationality. I don't know what your mother did to you when you were little. sure.gif Anyway is that the proven fact, or it's just something you learn while you work as the mob for hire.


thai is my nationality but definitely not my race. it is a fact that the SEA natives are naturally lazy. hahaha mob for hire eh, come on they cant afford me. I charge by hour you know.
yokie
QUOTE(Arroi @ Jul 8 2007, 09:44 AM) *
thai is my nationality but definitely not my race. it is a fact that the SEA natives are naturally lazy. hahaha mob for hire eh, come on they cant afford me. I charge by hour you know.


1. I believe your master has more than enough money if he's willing to pay. The better answer, I'm expecting from you, is something like --"I can't be bought," not I charge by the hour.
2. I also believe that the article is talking about Thai in terms of nationality, not race.
tangawizi
folks who charge by the hour are usually lawyers or gigolos.. which are u arroi? confused.gif
yokie
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Jul 12 2007, 09:11 PM) *
folks who charge by the hour are usually lawyers or gigolos.. which are u arroi? confused.gif


ooh ooh ooh, I know the answer to this one. laugh.gif
lemongrass
QUOTE(Arroi @ Jul 7 2007, 09:44 PM) *
thai is my nationality but definitely not my race. it is a fact that the SEA natives are naturally lazy. hahaha mob for hire eh, come on they cant afford me. I charge by hour you know.

Can you explain to me what is a Thai nationality and what are the native Thai? What is your ethnicity if not native?Do you really think all those people, the masses, are really lazy? You have great perceptions about people. This kind of condesending attitudes permiated throughout Thailand by the wealthy, especially in Bangkok. Sometimes, peoples' true feelings and prejudices show itself when you least expected.
Arroi
QUOTE(lemongrass @ Jul 17 2007, 05:17 AM) *
Can you explain to me what is a Thai nationality and what are the native Thai? What is your ethnicity if not native?Do you really think all those people, the masses, are really lazy? You have great perceptions about people. This kind of condesending attitudes permiated throughout Thailand by the wealthy, especially in Bangkok. Sometimes, peoples' true feelings and prejudices show itself when you least expected.


im a citizen of thailand so that makes me thai. i dont know what are the native thai ( or SEA for that matter), i dont really care about them. the natives are lazy but having said that, not all of them are. Its like saying 'Europe is rich and Africa is poor' which is a common fact but it doesnt mean that all europeans are rich and all africans are poor. If you look at any SEA country, you will notice one thing in common, that its the ethnic minority are much better off than the natives. It is a fact not a prejudice.
yokie
QUOTE(Arroi @ Jul 27 2007, 08:07 PM) *
im a citizen of thailand so that makes me thai. i dont know what are the native thai ( or SEA for that matter), i dont really care about them. the natives are lazy but having said that, not all of them are. Its like saying 'Europe is rich and Africa is poor' which is a common fact but it doesnt mean that all europeans are rich and all africans are poor. If you look at any SEA country, you will notice one thing in common, that its the ethnic minority are much better off than the natives. It is a fact not a prejudice.


yes, and please don't be so reluctant to show me your proof that Thai people are more lazy than the rest of the world. Tell me how it's done statistically, or scientifically. What's their margin of error?

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Anyone with half a brain can spot out that what you are saying is prejudice and not fact. Talktohand.gif
lemongrass
QUOTE(Arroi @ Jul 27 2007, 08:07 AM) *
im a citizen of thailand so that makes me thai. i dont know what are the native thai ( or SEA for that matter), i dont really care about them. the natives are lazy but having said that, not all of them are. Its like saying 'Europe is rich and Africa is poor' which is a common fact but it doesnt mean that all europeans are rich and all africans are poor. If you look at any SEA country, you will notice one thing in common, that its the ethnic minority are much better off than the natives. It is a fact not a prejudice.

Arroi, my deliciouse friend,
Being a citizen of Thailand can be a very tricky status. You can be Farang or Chinese or any other ethnicity and be Thai as long as you can aquire a Thai Citizenship. A paperwork can do a world of wonder, wouldn't you think? I think you should take a little bit of your busy time to get to know who are your fellow Thais (or SEA for that matter), and you should start to care about them. You may think that the native are lazy but what research do you have besides personal prejudices. Remember, the French Revolution!
For example, if you are a half European or Chinese desent, you have no room to criticize native SEA for any of your prejudices. When SEA, Khmer Empire and Sukothai at its hieght,Europeans were living in lives in shambles after the Roman Empire. Chinese were riding through a period of internal searching and poverty that the Jeen migrate over to SEA.
Tell me of your ancestries, then we will talk more about being Thai without our personal prejudices.
Wealth and powers come and go with the conditions of the economy and the people who supported it. World events and social events also determined what will happened to every nations and regions. Tell me what happened to the Roman Empire? Did they got lazy and were defeated by the barbarians or they just lost thier touch of realities. As for the Chinese, what happened at the Boxer Rebellions in the late 1800s. Were they lazy or just crazy?
Arroi
QUOTE(lemongrass @ Jul 29 2007, 04:34 PM) *
Arroi, my deliciouse friend,
Being a citizen of Thailand can be a very tricky status. You can be Farang or Chinese or any other ethnicity and be Thai as long as you can aquire a Thai Citizenship. A paperwork can do a world of wonder, wouldn't you think? I think you should take a little bit of your busy time to get to know who are your fellow Thais (or SEA for that matter), and you should start to care about them. You may think that the native are lazy but what research do you have besides personal prejudices. Remember, the French Revolution!
For example, if you are a half European or Chinese desent, you have no room to criticize native SEA for any of your prejudices. When SEA, Khmer Empire and Sukothai at its hieght,Europeans were living in lives in shambles after the Roman Empire. Chinese were riding through a period of internal searching and poverty that the Jeen migrate over to SEA.
Tell me of your ancestries, then we will talk more about being Thai without our personal prejudices.
Wealth and powers come and go with the conditions of the economy and the people who supported it. World events and social events also determined what will happened to every nations and regions. Tell me what happened to the Roman Empire? Did they got lazy and were defeated by the barbarians or they just lost thier touch of realities. As for the Chinese, what happened at the Boxer Rebellions in the late 1800s. Were they lazy or just crazy?


hello lemongrass,

well human are just like dogs. for dogs, each breed is well known for something. Some breeds are more clever or hardworking or lazy than others, im sure you would agree with that. why do u think they use greyhounds as race dogs instead of dalmatians because they are known for their speed and endurance. Why do we use german shepard as police dogs instead of st bernard. Why do we use golden retrievers as guide dogs instead of say poodles? well you are gonna have to admit that some breeds are better than others. as for the laziness thing,I dont have any research or published papers to support my claim (though i doubt one exists). I just speak from my observations and experience from living in thailand and overseas. I have chinese background btw. are you sure you want to compare great civilizations like roman and chinese to ankor wat and sukothai?
lemongrass
QUOTE(Arroi @ Jul 30 2007, 01:09 AM) *
hello lemongrass,

well human are just like dogs. for dogs, each breed is well known for something. Some breeds are more clever or hardworking or lazy than others, im sure you would agree with that. why do u think they use greyhounds as race dogs instead of dalmatians because they are known for their speed and endurance. Why do we use german shepard as police dogs instead of st bernard. Why do we use golden retrievers as guide dogs instead of say poodles? well you are gonna have to admit that some breeds are better than others. as for the laziness thing,I dont have any research or published papers to support my claim (though i doubt one exists). I just speak from my observations and experience from living in thailand and overseas. I have chinese background btw. are you sure you want to compare great civilizations like roman and chinese to ankor wat and sukothai?

Well, since you chose to see human in the likes of dogs, then what breed of dog are you? Are all Sino-Thai are from the same breed as you are?
Goombaking209
arroi sounds like sylar

Anyway if you are so special and your chinese @$$ is so gad damn better than natives, what made your parents leave china?
Nhoona
As only foreign country i have been to two times i see the difference between hong kong and thailand.hk people do things fast and work hard. Life in hk is difficult though my uncle say so he has family there and live in 2 bedroom condo. If my dad had chosen to live in hk he would not met my mom and I would not exist ^^ or if he had decided to migrate there we would not have our own house. I thank Thailand for many good things and im just another thai.
Btw im sick seeing my fellow thai worship jatukam and rely their life on huay not working hard.
lemongrass
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Jul 30 2007, 03:09 AM) *
arroi sounds like sylar

Anyway if you are so special and your chinese @$$ is so gad damn better than natives, what made your parents leave china?

Now, now, take it easy there little pitbull! Let arroi speak for himself. Respect as always to those we disagree with.
yokie
Ooh, ooh, ooh I know Arroi is the mid-road breed. biggrin.gif
Goombaking209
I'm just sick of people (esp. Chinese/east asians) who thinks they're better.
ytxgod
QUOTE(Goombaking209 @ Jul 30 2007, 03:09 AM) *
arroi sounds like sylar

Anyway if you are so special and your chinese @$$ is so gad damn better than natives, what made your parents leave china?


laugh.gif I want to ask the same question. He made me hate chinese more...
Goombaking209
I don't hate chinese people at all. Just hate the arrogant ones
lemongrass
QUOTE(yokie @ Jul 30 2007, 02:50 PM) *
Ooh, ooh, ooh I know Arroi is the mid-road breed. biggrin.gif

Ha, ha, I thought he Arroi is more like a bull-$hit, a mix of bulldog and shietsu. beerchug.gif
Nhoona
QUOTE(yokie @ Jul 30 2007, 02:50 PM) *
Ooh, ooh, ooh I know Arroi is the mid-road breed. biggrin.gif


and you are another thai who has chinese background biggrin.gif

QUOTE(ytxgod @ Jul 30 2007, 11:23 PM) *
laugh.gif I want to ask the same question. He made me hate chinese more...


if you guys are thai you wont say so thais even thanks chinese for leading them to a sense and skill of business.
ytxgod
You konw ? not only me hate chinese but many many thai hate them. they just dont express how they feel shrug.gif
lemongrass
QUOTE(ytxgod @ Jul 31 2007, 03:30 AM) *
You konw ? not only me hate chinese but many many thai hate them. they just dont express how they feel shrug.gif

I niether hate nor love kohn jeen, I just coexist among them in SEA and Thailand in particular. They just don't express how they feel because its a sign of high culture and high civilization that separate them from all the barbarians that they have to deal with. What Arroi expressed is nothing new to me but just a renditions of how his people have been harboring for ages. He is just a slip of a tongue, that revealed the deep prejudices that khon jeen jave for the native of SEA.
Why hate those who hate you, they are just people who built fences around their hearts, eventually they will come to their senses of reality of humanity in its great varieties.
PeaceMan
QUOTE(Arroi @ Jul 30 2007, 01:09 AM) *
hello lemongrass,

well human are just like dogs. for dogs, each breed is well known for something. Some breeds are more clever or hardworking or lazy than others, im sure you would agree with that. why do u think they use greyhounds as race dogs instead of dalmatians because they are known for their speed and endurance. Why do we use german shepard as police dogs instead of st bernard. Why do we use golden retrievers as guide dogs instead of say poodles? well you are gonna have to admit that some breeds are better than others. as for the laziness thing,I dont have any research or published papers to support my claim (though i doubt one exists). I just speak from my observations and experience from living in thailand and overseas. I have chinese background btw. are you sure you want to compare great civilizations like roman and chinese to ankor wat and sukothai?

Excuse me...Human aren't like dogs...Both physically and mentally...(Well some could act like one! or if you're younger than 5 years old.).....It's took us too many life time to develop our souls to become the stage of human.And keep on developing our soul to the higher stage through problem solving from all of our obstacles in life...(Again,you could degraded yourself down to a lower stage ,if you wanted to.)

As for Chinese Thai and native Thai...I think There are pros and cons.(in general)

Good thing about Chinese Thai is : They are hard workers(due to all the obstacles they faced in China,that drived them to Thailand)

Good thing about Native Thai is: They are generous. Friends(people) come before money(due to their agricultural life and culture...They help each other in the farms and battle fields.)

Bad thing about Chinese-Thai is: They're a bit too greedy for money(due to the fact that they've been through bad experience during the red army.So they have to be precaution and save a lots of money,if any bad situation should occur again.

Bad thing about Native Thai is : They're a bit too lazy...due the fact that There're rice in the field and fishes in the water. You could find food everywhere.So insted of selling things they just cook different things and share among neigbors.(money were hardly an issue)

( since I'm a half native Thai and chinese Thai,just like many of us.)So I come up with two choices of combination for us:

(A) Be greedy and make money the easy(lazy) way(corruption,grambling,drug dealing and etc.)

(B) Be hard working while being generous to other people.(Look at what our King Phumibol have done;including the self efficiency theory of his)....Saittakit porpeag theory.........(The King also a mixed of Chinese blood from His Mother side.)

Either (A) or (B)... It's all your choice..........It's all your soul.....

PS.I think the reason our country developing in a not very well organize direction is due to the choice (A).....

O.K.! Peace........Man...... beerchug.gif To the King and his love and hard works for us Thai people and any countries needed his help.
Arroi
QUOTE(lemongrass @ Jul 31 2007, 06:55 PM) *
I niether hate nor love kohn jeen, I just coexist among them in SEA and Thailand in particular. They just don't express how they feel because its a sign of high culture and high civilization that separate them from all the barbarians that they have to deal with. What Arroi expressed is nothing new to me but just a renditions of how his people have been harboring for ages. He is just a slip of a tongue, that revealed the deep prejudices that khon jeen jave for the native of SEA.
Why hate those who hate you, they are just people who built fences around their hearts, eventually they will come to their senses of reality of humanity in its great varieties.

It is not just a slip of a tongue, i meant what i said. Statements like thailand is full of whores, muslims are terrorists and chinese are stingy and greedy, are all generalisations and stereotypes but are they based on at least some facts though. Look at Thai lakorn for example, they often show ethic Chinese as wealthy and greedy and ethic lao as maids and drivers. Arent there even a little bit of truth in this?? remember, if there is no fire there wont be any smoke. chinese migrants came to Thailand (SEA) generations ago with absolutely NOTHING (no money, no land, no language), worked their arse off and now have become very successful. Is it hardwork that made them succeed? I don’t know why are you so defensive about it.
do something to eliminate those prejudices. I don’t hate khon thai, without the kindness of HM and thai people, I would be farming somewhere in china.
corky
QUOTE(Nhoona @ Jul 30 2007, 04:32 PM) *
As only foreign country i have been to two times i see the difference between hong kong and thailand.hk people do things fast and work hard. Life in hk is difficult though my uncle say so he has family there and live in 2 bedroom condo. If my dad had chosen to live in hk he would not met my mom and I would not exist ^^ or if he had decided to migrate there we would not have our own house. I thank Thailand for many good things and im just another thai.
Btw im sick seeing my fellow thai worship jatukam and rely their life on huay not working hard.


there is no doubt the pac eof work is different. the pace people walk at in the street. many thais always laugh at the farang on holiday seemingly rushing through the streets. cheei-cheei....is the thai way... thats a fact.
does it mean lazier in work? to the untrained eye i suppose it wouod appear that way. but in many instances rushing through your work just means a haphazard job.... Talktohand.gif
QUOTE(Arroi @ Aug 1 2007, 12:47 PM) *
It is not just a slip of a tongue, i meant what i said. Statements like thailand is full of whores, muslims are terrorists and chinese are stingy and greedy, are all generalisations and stereotypes but are they based on at least some facts though. Look at Thai lakorn for example, they often show ethic Chinese as wealthy and greedy and ethic lao as maids and drivers. Arent there even a little bit of truth in this?? remember, if there is no fire there wont be any smoke. chinese migrants came to Thailand (SEA) generations ago with absolutely NOTHING (no money, no land, no language), worked their arse off and now have become very successful. Is it hardwork that made them succeed? I don’t know why are you so defensive about it.
do something to eliminate those prejudices. I don’t hate khon thai, without the kindness of HM and thai people, I would be farming somewhere in china.

it is not fair to compare thechinese and thais in this way. paw-piang is the thai way. not so, so for the chinese. they are business driven they dont have large families to care for and they invest themselves in theri business. thais are happy as long as they are happy. its apples an doranges you just cant compare.

personally if i was a business man i would never hire based on race/nationality as the exceptions desttry the stereotypes. having said that different nationalities might be suited to different types of jobs...
kong ngen pen kon jeen
kong baw-ri-gaan pen kon thai
jow kong pen pom.....
embarassedlaugh.gif
lemongrass
QUOTE(Arroi @ Aug 1 2007, 12:47 AM) *
It is not just a slip of a tongue, i meant what i said. Statements like thailand is full of whores, muslims are terrorists and chinese are stingy and greedy, are all generalisations and stereotypes but are they based on at least some facts though. Look at Thai lakorn for example, they often show ethic Chinese as wealthy and greedy and ethic lao as maids and drivers. Arent there even a little bit of truth in this?? remember, if there is no fire there wont be any smoke. chinese migrants came to Thailand (SEA) generations ago with absolutely NOTHING (no money, no land, no language), worked their arse off and now have become very successful. Is it hardwork that made them succeed? I don’t know why are you so defensive about it.
do something to eliminate those prejudices. I don’t hate khon thai, without the kindness of HM and thai people, I would be farming somewhere in china.

You haven't told me what breed of dog you are yet?
Arroi
QUOTE(lemongrass @ Aug 1 2007, 04:50 PM) *
You haven't told me what breed of dog you are yet?


before you ask for someone elses breed, inform them of yours. basic manner mate!
lemongrass
QUOTE(Arroi @ Aug 2 2007, 12:22 AM) *
before you ask for someone elses breed, inform them of yours. basic manner mate!

Since you were the one who equate humans with dogs, you should be the one who present your breed first. Its a common courtesy, buddy! Then, we can have discussions.
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