actually this topic can also be seen on the SERIOUS TOPICS section of the forums i just thought it would be very fun to have two topics like this.


HEY EVERYBODY. on the other side of the forums there is currently a war being waged by 2 very intellectual people.
one is a Roman Catholic
the other is an Atheist.

well lately ive been seeing them talk the sh1t out of eachother so much i just simply had to intervene.
so to put thi hot topic to rest for good lets have a little forum ourselves.

here is a challeng i give

WHO HERE IS MAN(OR WOMAN) ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY HIS/HER RELIGION AND PIT IT AGAINST OTHER FILIINO RELIGIONS
THIS INCLUDES ATHEISTS(im an atheist)

honestly i think the philippines is better of with either being an ATHEIST or being BUDDHIST. because being an atheist is MUCHMUCHMUCH more cheaper than being a christian. and being a uddhist is more of a LIFSTYLE or a GUIDE to being human than being anactual religion(much like confucianism but better, then again i think confucianism is great here)

because the majority of the Filipinos have lost their common sense and have been engulfed by the mainstream Christianity (that teaches voluntary genocide for all gentiles). Filipinos have been worshiping a tribal Jewish desert god of the Old and New testaments. This desert god is murderous and hostile to all non-Israelites and therefore exclusive only for the Israelites. This guy named Jesus just changed the image of this god. So you see if according to the church teachings (particularly Catholic Church the mother of all Jesus Cult Churches), the new "chosen" people of god are now the Jesus believers and followers regardless whether they're Israelites (Jews) or not and no longer exclusive for Israelites (Jews) only. That infuriated the Jewish leaders in the past because according to them, the messiah as prophesied in the Old Testament (the other and important source of Judaism - the mother of all semitic religions) should only come for the Jews and only for their benefit and salvation and so Jesus was rejected and condemned. If Jesus was truly the son of god and messiah, I therefore conclude that this desert god has an unstable mind for his change in preference from the Israelites to anyone who believe and follow Jesus. Or was it Jesus own personal interpretation or th early Roman Church ? and so that's why most orthodox Jews today are still waiting for the coming of the true messiah.

Bottomline, Filipinos are just blind followers and believers of a Jewish prophecy. Christian prophecy is Jewish prophecy.

The fact that approximately 90% of Filipinos are Christians, i'm bitterly disappointed that nobody has the audacity to rebuke uwag_davao's garbage. I find it embarrasing how this ill-educated poster keeps ranting racist comments towards the Jews, have you looked in the mirror lately?. I guess this 'religion war' is between me and him then!

Islam is also following Jewish Prophecy and they are also waiting for their messiah Iman Mahdi who is the Jesus equivalent of Islam.

I think Christianity will not die in the Philippines because it is strong and united. Even Islam is having a hard time converting the Philippines. If it were not for Lapu-Lapu who succesfully resisted and fought Islam before Magellan came, the Philippines would probably be Islam.

then you would find me here ranting against Islam ( the youngest of the semitic religions ). It's the same desert god having a different name.



Jews are racists themselves and ethnocentric. Their Talmud is hostile to all gentiles. The mainstream Christianity will ultimately lead to the worshipping and benefits of the Jews and their beggar, parasitic, and supremacist state called Isra-hell. The Jews are right that gentiles are stupid because of their lack in racial cohesion, conscience, and consciousness.



I'm not an ill-educated poster just an awakened gentile.

Screw religion wars! Religion wars have been infecting the human race as a whole ever since the foundation of civilization, whether it's jihadists, conquistadors and human sacrifices. I say we need to break all religion barriers and be friends with one another

YOu don't really don't much about history, do you? Most of the islands at that time were Muslims. The whole village of Maynila was founded by the Muslims before Legazpi drove them out.

It is only Maynilad ruled by Rajah Soliman and some parts of Mindanao that is Islam and they were driven out by the Spaniards then the Spaniards built a wall city in Maynila called Intramuros (Intra Moros). The Visayan region is predominantly Sri Vijaya ruled by Rajah Humabon, Datu Lapu Lapu, etc... that are not Muslims. The weapons of Rajah Soliman are guns and cannons while the weapons of Rajah Humabon and Datu Lapu Lapu is Kali.

The tribes of Lapulapu and Humabon were part of the Sri Visayan Empire in the earlier centuries of Filipino history. The fighting arts of both Lapulapu and Humabon were originally brought to the Visayan Islands by their ancestors.
http://www.damag-inc.zoomshare.com/2.shtml...ed45b.writeback

While the erstwhile animistic tribal populations who were ruled by chieftains like Lapu-Lapu and Humabon fiercely resisted Islam (as well as Christianity). From 1380 onwards, and more so after 1414, these chieftains called Datu (chief) who ruled clans called Barangays which was a kinship group fiercely and successfully resisted Islam.
http://www.historyofjihad.org/philippines.html

(Excerpted from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/banwa_mo)
Here's more on our original martial arts.
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BTW, while kris is a full lenght wavy-edged bladed sword, the kalis has about 8-10 inches plain-edged part near the handle. Kampilan, of course has a "sara-it sa punta"
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So, below article confirms that Lapu Lapu is actually a Tausog. Bear in mind INM contention of the Datu Putih and company's trail: Bornay-Panay-Mindoro-Batangas-Pangasinan-Tayabas-and back thru the tausog region of Sulu.
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Excerpt from"Maragtas Legend & Chinese Ming Dynasty"
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We noted the following in contradiction viz-a-viz our contentions:
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According to Ming Chroniclers:
"...1433 AD - A Seven-Datu-Council codified the Code of Kalantiaw (by Kalantiaw) and the Maragtas Code (by Sumakwel) for the people of Panay Island; Three Adatus from the original ten who came to Panay left for Batangas and Mindoro; Datu Putih was one of them but eventually returned to North Borneo from where no trace of him was found...."
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Our Contentions:-------------------------- Ming Dynasty Chroniclers:
1) The name: Datu Puti ------------------------------Datu Putih
2) Landed in Panay: middle 13th Century------Early 15th century
2) 3-datus remained 7 left for luzon---------------7-datus remained 3 left for luzon
4) Reached Batangas & explored luzon--------Reached Batangas in Luzon and Mindoro
5) from Batangas, settled & died in Sulu-------Back to Borneo with no trace thereafter
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"Astana Putih" - present seat of the Royal Sulu Sultanate at Umbal Duwa in Indanan, Jolo Island in the Tausog Region of Sulu could have been named after Datu Putih.
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Sa guihapon...dinggol..
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Source : [Manila Bulletin Online] http://www.mb. com.ph/issues/ 2004/04/27/ OPED200404278218 .html
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The battle of Mactan should be commemorated every year and our Muslim brothers should be proud that the first hero of the Filipino people is a Muslim – a Tausug – the famous fierce defender of freedom and sovereignty.
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WE have honored the vanquished but not the victor. We have enshrined in our annals our defeats but not our victories. One example is the historic battle of Mactan and Raha Lapu-Lapu, 483 years ago.
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Four hundred eighty-three years ago, the battle of Mactan was fought between the Spanish forces led by Magellan and the native forces led by Lapu-Lapu. The battle was historic in many ways. It was the first battle in recorded Philippine history where the Filipinos won in defense of their freedom and sovereignty. Magellan, the famous conquistador and explorer, was killed and his forces were defeated, thus belying the Spanish claim of invincibility. Lapu-Lapu's victory showed that a battle can be won even with inferior arms through use of superior tactics and strategy.
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Our problem in this historic events is Lapu-Lapu's true identity. He remains unknown to the Filipino people. Pigafetta's account describing Lapu-Lapu as the chief of Mactan is inadequate.
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One Sulu oral history provides many interesting details about Lapu-Lapu. He was called Iliji Rajiki (rajiki – a minor raja), a Muslim Tausug, an expert in Silatan (Tausug martial art of swordsmanship) , and a warrior of the sultan of Sulu. Mactan was the seat of the kingdom and he was the Sultan's representative ruler in the Visayas area.
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The battle of Mactan should be commemorated every year and our Muslim brothers should be proud that the first hero of the Filipino people is a Muslim – a Tausug – the famous fierce defender of freedom and sovereignty.

Fighting in name of religion is lame . why isn't there religious tolerance

Not all Tausogs are Muslims and Rajah Humabon and Lapu-Lapu are heavily tattooed which is prohibited in Islam but Rajah Soliman has no tattoo and and related by marriage to the Sultan of Brunei Islam Royal Family which confirms that he is Muslim. Remember that Robin Padilla now Abdul Aziz removed all his tatoos when he converted to Islam.

According to some anthropologists and researchers, Datu Puti was not even Muslim.
The tribes of Lapulapu and Humabon were part of the Sri Visayan Empire in the 14th Century. After the empire was defeated by the Maja Pahit Empire of ancient Sumatra and Borneo, the tribes became part of a group who eventually settled in the islands of the Visayas in the central Philippines. Another group of those Sri Visayans, which included the tribes of Datu Puti and Datu Sumakwel, went out and settled on Panay Island.

http://www.martialartsregister.co.uk/thearts.asp?artid=8

These were the only Muslim regions in the Philippines when Magellan came


Lapu Lapu's ancestors came at Panay Island in 1212 as the 10 Datus which included Datu Puti.
In 1380 the first Islamic missionary Makhdum Karim landed in Sulu.
Maynilad only became a Muslim Kingdom in 1530, 9 years after Magellan came.

good religion is no religion. sorry but i dont subscribe to anything that tells me how to live my life.

Dont forget the original religion of the Philippines was Paganism/Animism.

i am ready to die for my faith, but not for my religion. we christians are waiting for the time when this world becomes saturated with atheist like you and begin your persecution in us. thats what the bible telling us.