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forneek8ter
You know who they are and their reasons vary but most of these bashers say the same thing: Japan is responsible for WWII. Were any of you guys alive during that time? Are you carrying the trauma and are unleashing your anger on the next generation of Japanese? You guys are doing a good job in keeping the hate and anger alive. Leave history in the past but don't impose your hatred on the future generations that want to develop a productive relationship. I'm not Japanese, but we can learn from the Jews who choose not to hate their oppressors but instead, choose to prosper and carry on to live a productive life without having to come up with a cop-out attitude by blaming the past. Take credit for forging your successes but don't blame others on choosing to bring the failures of the past for your mistakes. I can hear it coming when all you bashers try to justify your arguments, save it for the history buffs coz the future has not been written yet and hopefully you're anger/hatred will not be a part of it. One more thing: have you noticed that not too many Japanese reply to these bashers? They know that they live with that Japanese guilt, same as white guilt, they refrain from saying anything that will be used against them, good or bad.
Jor
I don't even think the Japanese posters here bother to reply because--for what??

These bashing threads are a mainstay in every Asian forum. There's nothing to say that will not be attacked, argued with and, if it was an apology, would not be accepted.

If they outlawed Japan bashing in this forum, 50% or more of the posters would leave for another forum.

It's conditioning, I think. In the Hmong chat forum was an article about how the Lao govt exploited Hmong women and turned them into fu-k machines for Lao soldiers. Not one poster condemned the Lao people or govt. In fact, most had nothing whatsoever to say about it.

But drag up some old done-to-death bull$hit about Korean comfort women and watch all the bashers ooze from the woodwork attacking everything Japanese.

The last thing Japanese posters should do is give those cocksuckers any satisfaction by bothering to respond to their crybaby bull$hit.
Rickdaddy
QUOTE(Jor @ Jul 2 2007, 06:09 PM) [snapback]3037609[/snapback]
I don't even think the Japanese posters here bother to reply because--for what??


yeah, i don't even post here anymore. to the lounge i go.
Excuse_Me
from what i see, most of the bashing come from the Koreans lol But Japanese members don't bother to insult bak
Suijen
There aren't too many Japanese in this forum regardless.

You can call it hate, but from Korea and China, it seems more that they want Japan to fully acknowledge and sympathize with the crap that Korea and China felt. The Imperial Japanese invasion is an exceptionally defining period in Chinese and Korean history, just as defining as the Holocaust for Jews. You can even say that modern China and Korea are products of that war. Naturally, it ranks pretty important to the Chinese and Japanese, and the inundation of inane comments by high ranking Japanese officials on recent things like Nanjing and comfort women, plus the general apathy and cold attitude the Japanese seem to have on the occupations doesn't help matters much. To the Koreans and Chinese, it almost seems like justice denied.
bigboy
having your people killed, slaughtered, raped, ripped open alive to experiment with, little girls separated from families to be sex slaves, killed in the masses, attempt to erase culture, etc.....is kind of a big deal, which is very hard to put aside and forget about. bloodshed was too great.

Saying, lets forget about all this and think of the future, is Japan's mentality to run away from the guilt and hope everyone will forget it cuz they dont want to look bad.

I dont hate japan though. I have a lot of japanese friends, since i was young. But the history stuff does piss me off. and having people say "Well, Japanese people are nice now" just isnt gonna cut it. They could be the nicest people on the planet and give us the coolest video games and cartoons, but thats not gonna change the fact that what happened in the past was really fu-ked up and unnecessary. Also it wasnt thaaat long ago either. People who witnessed and experienced the nightmare are still alive. Also just saying sorry doesnt do anything. Anybody can apologize, it doesnt even take any guts to do it.

like i said before, i dont hate japan. I actually love japan. I also have japanese relatives.
roses
QUOTE(forneek8ter @ Jul 2 2007, 05:52 PM) [snapback]3037578[/snapback]
have you noticed that not too many Japanese reply to these bashers?


what the hell would they say anyways. like "Shut up!" or "Stop it!" What can they say about it? I cant really find much stuff they would say. Or maybe they could say stuff like "Ha! Its not like we care! It wasnt our people that got fu-ked up! Ha!!" Well, they wouldnt say that, but i cant figure what they can say about it.

but yeah, its a little annoying having people who arent chinese, korean, or japanese always having to judge the situation. They always side for japan 100% of the time. But im cool with that cuz everybody's got Japan's back. its not like their opinions matter at all really.
Takashi
QUOTE(bigboy @ Jul 3 2007, 06:27 AM) [snapback]3038128[/snapback]
But the history stuff does piss me off. and having people say "Well, Japanese people are nice now" just isnt gonna cut it. They could be the nicest people on the planet and give us the coolest video games and cartoons, but thats not gonna change the fact that what happened in the past was really fu-ked up and unnecessary. Also it wasnt thaaat long ago either. People who witnessed and experienced the nightmare are still alive. Also just saying sorry doesnt do anything. Anybody can apologize, it doesnt even take any guts to do it.

Obviously but no matter what Japanese posters do its not going to change it so continuously whining about it to them doesn't do jack.
Suijen
QUOTE(Takashi @ Jul 3 2007, 12:35 AM) [snapback]3038205[/snapback]
Obviously but no matter what Japanese posters do its not going to change it so continuously whining about it to them doesn't do jack.


And ranting doesn't cause anyone any harm, so to each his own. The Chinese/Koreans can continue to rant, and the Japanese can continue to not care, and the world will continue to spin.
Takashi
QUOTE(Suijen @ Jul 3 2007, 07:37 AM) [snapback]3038206[/snapback]
And ranting doesn't cause anyone any harm, so to each his own. The Chinese/Koreans can continue to rant, and the Japanese can continue to not care, and the world will continue to spin.

Waste of time and energy icon_rolleyes.gif
Suijen
QUOTE(Takashi @ Jul 3 2007, 12:41 AM) [snapback]3038207[/snapback]
Waste of time and energy icon_rolleyes.gif


We certainly have more productive and enriching things to do eh comrade?
bigboy
QUOTE(Takashi @ Jul 2 2007, 11:41 PM) [snapback]3038207[/snapback]
Waste of time and energy icon_rolleyes.gif


now, ignoring and trying to run away from the situation forever is a waste of time and energy.
splur
I've actually taken both the Japanese and anti-Japanese sides before. But it's a lose-lose situation either way, might as well waste your energy elsewhere. I mean, if you take the Japanese side, you're seen as someone who is watering down history, a traitor. If you take the anti-Japanese side, you're seen as a rigid pig who can't forgive.

I don't think Japan is responsible for WWII, but they definitely contributed to it. And there's a big difference between forgiving and forgetting, history should never be forgotten. I've forgiven Japan for what they've done, yes mostly because I wasn't alive for that era, but I will never forget.
Adee
QUOTE(Suijen @ Jul 3 2007, 07:49 AM) [snapback]3038217[/snapback]
We certainly have more productive and enriching things to do eh comrade?

Yep yep, it is time to invade Tokyo madcool.gif
Takashi
QUOTE(Suijen @ Jul 3 2007, 07:49 AM) [snapback]3038217[/snapback]
We certainly have more productive and enriching things to do eh comrade?

Of course, like you teaching me the SCD so I can invade China and seduce all your women shifty.gif
embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE(bigboy @ Jul 3 2007, 09:00 AM) [snapback]3038290[/snapback]
now, ignoring and trying to run away from the situation forever is a waste of time and energy.

What does that have to do with the posters? Jack $hit. Like you said, apologies don't change what happened so wtf does it matter what some random guy on a forum thinks so why badger them about it? icon_rolleyes.gif
forneek8ter
QUOTE(roses @ Jul 3 2007, 04:06 PM) [snapback]3038137[/snapback]
what the hell would they say anyways. like "Shut up!" or "Stop it!" What can they say about it? I cant really find much stuff they would say. Or maybe they could say stuff like "Ha! Its not like we care! It wasnt our people that got fu-ked up! Ha!!" Well, they wouldnt say that, but i cant figure what they can say about it.

but yeah, its a little annoying having people who arent chinese, korean, or japanese always having to judge the situation. They always side for japan 100% of the time. But im cool with that cuz everybody's got Japan's back. its not like their opinions matter at all really.

did your ignorance make you numb?
Ogumo
Get used to bashing. It will never end.
Suijen
QUOTE(Takashi @ Jul 3 2007, 07:57 AM) [snapback]3038626[/snapback]
Of course, like you teaching me the SCD so I can invade China and seduce all your women shifty.gif
embarassedlaugh.gif


You can't even get the horse stance down. I bet you don't even remember the "Emperor Conquers thousand concubines" endurance boost.
jaesan
QUOTE(forneek8ter @ Jul 2 2007, 08:52 PM) [snapback]3037578[/snapback]
You know who they are and their reasons vary but most of these bashers say the same thing: Japan is responsible for WWII. Were any of you guys alive during that time? Are you carrying the trauma and are unleashing your anger on the next generation of Japanese? You guys are doing a good job in keeping the hate and anger alive. Leave history in the past but don't impose your hatred on the future generations that want to develop a productive relationship. I'm not Japanese, but we can learn from the Jews who choose not to hate their oppressors but instead, choose to prosper and carry on to live a productive life without having to come up with a cop-out attitude by blaming the past. Take credit for forging your successes but don't blame others on choosing to bring the failures of the past for your mistakes. I can hear it coming when all you bashers try to justify your arguments, save it for the history buffs coz the future has not been written yet and hopefully you're anger/hatred will not be a part of it. One more thing: have you noticed that not too many Japanese reply to these bashers? They know that they live with that Japanese guilt, same as white guilt, they refrain from saying anything that will be used against them, good or bad.


Thats very naive point of view. First the difference between Germany and Japan is that Germany made every steps possible to apologize for their atrocities commited during WWII. Japan to this day deny any wrong doings.

Listen man, until the day Japan sincerly apologize to those countries suffered, there is going to be a strong hate towards Japan.
jaesan
QUOTE(forneek8ter @ Jul 2 2007, 08:52 PM) [snapback]3037578[/snapback]
You know who they are and their reasons vary but most of these bashers say the same thing: Japan is responsible for WWII. Were any of you guys alive during that time? Are you carrying the trauma and are unleashing your anger on the next generation of Japanese? You guys are doing a good job in keeping the hate and anger alive. Leave history in the past but don't impose your hatred on the future generations that want to develop a productive relationship. I'm not Japanese, but we can learn from the Jews who choose not to hate their oppressors but instead, choose to prosper and carry on to live a productive life without having to come up with a cop-out attitude by blaming the past. Take credit for forging your successes but don't blame others on choosing to bring the failures of the past for your mistakes. I can hear it coming when all you bashers try to justify your arguments, save it for the history buffs coz the future has not been written yet and hopefully you're anger/hatred will not be a part of it. One more thing: have you noticed that not too many Japanese reply to these bashers? They know that they live with that Japanese guilt, same as white guilt, they refrain from saying anything that will be used against them, good or bad.


Thats very naive point of view. First the difference between Germany and Japan is that Germany made every steps possible to apologize for their atrocities commited during WWII. Japan to this day deny any wrong doings.

Listen man, until the day Japan sincerly apologize to those countries suffered, there is going to be a strong hate towards Japan.
Adee
QUOTE(Suijen @ Jul 3 2007, 05:05 PM) [snapback]3038825[/snapback]
You can't even get the horse stance down. I bet you don't even remember the "Emperor Conquers thousand concubines" endurance boost.

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That's just too bad icon_twisted.gif
Takashi
QUOTE(Suijen @ Jul 3 2007, 05:05 PM) [snapback]3038825[/snapback]
You can't even get the horse stance down. I bet you don't even remember the "Emperor Conquers thousand concubines" endurance boost.

embarassedlaugh.gif
Rickdaddy
how many of you here are actually japanese? or atleast are half?
bigboy
im 1,000% japanophile and 1,000% non-japanese blooded
yonsama
my username is Japanese therefore I am... Japanese
Rickdaddy
there's lots of japanophiles who has japanese usernames... doesn't make them jdm (if you get the joke, which i'm sure you do.)
kawamotoyuki
QUOTE(jaesan @ Jul 3 2007, 02:58 PM) [snapback]3039116[/snapback]
Thats very naive point of view. First the difference between Germany and Japan is that Germany made every steps possible to apologize for their atrocities commited during WWII. Japan to this day deny any wrong doings.

Listen man, until the day Japan sincerly apologize to those countries suffered, there is going to be a strong hate towards Japan.


what is it with you people????????
do you not do any research about this at all????
even wikipedia can give you the answers!!!

i tell you why japanese posters never post like to this...
this my first day here and already i read hate messages against japanese...

im not going to allow myself to be blame for something that happened 40 years before my birthed...
im not going to allow zealous korean or zealous chinese to say all bad things about me and my friends..
its not this way, not like you put it... we are not "oh who cares what happened???"
theres all "oh japanese text say no mention about world war two..."

but everyday in world history classes, we always learn about japanese mistakes
teacher always makes us to learn about it.
we know to learn from mistakes.
its not "oh who cares what happened???"
its "we need to put it behind us now"

look at germany... it did the same thing japan did...
and its not always "hate germany hate germany."
i dont understand why people hate japan more than germany...
or why people hate countrys at all!!!
they are not the same countries as 50-60 years ago, not the same systems...

but when we say how bad chinese or koreans are, we always attacked!
because its always "poor korea" or "poor china" and never "poor japan"
i dont say that what japan did was not wrong, or that we have blame.
we have much blame...
all nihonjin carry this burden..

but i think japanese are tired of being apologizing 42 times, then still have people say..
"they didnt apologize..."
we did. we apologized. 42 times. we gave money. we helped to rebuilded.
but its never "poor japan for having the worst weapon dropped on them."
its "poor korea for being victim of japan."

japan was victim too. all countries were victims.
dont make one country to be more than another... or to even say japan is worthless..
please dont.
Aiwo
I can't forgive the ACT.
But I'm very okay with Japanese people and Japan in general.




Aiwo
Sorry, I actually laugh at people who say Japan is worthless or any people who say that about other countries.

I actually am thankful for Japan for making Asia look less under-developed as a whole to outsiders.

yonsama
QUOTE(Rickdaddy @ Jul 3 2007, 11:35 PM) [snapback]3040060[/snapback]
there's lots of japanophiles who has japanese usernames... doesn't make them jdm (if you get the joke, which i'm sure you do.)


I'm so Japanese I spell it with a 'Z' on my legal documents.
I'm so Japanese I make Japanese look like Wapanese.
ya'heard G?
Pink Cream
QUOTE(kawamotoyuki @ Jul 6 2007, 02:32 AM) [snapback]3042334[/snapback]
but its never "poor japan for having the worst weapon dropped on them."

lol why would it be poor japan? you started the war after all
kawamotoyuki
QUOTE(Pink Cream @ Jul 5 2007, 08:54 PM) [snapback]3042912[/snapback]
lol why would it be poor japan? you started the war after all


do you have no compassion for human life?
already japan has apologized greatly to everyone...

but its not "the atomic bomb killed lots of people, and left many many more with cancer"
i think thats a cruel death.. to die slowly.
i already said that many people suffered,
that all countries were victims.

but instead, why cant you see that civilians were killed
with the most devastating weapon used in history???
cancer, birth defects, etc. are all what a lot of japanese live with in those regions.

maybe i have a different view of compassion, but i dont care who it is,
whoever dies, its sad. iraq people, african people.. its not about their government
its about themselves, the people who just live their life day to day.

maybe if everyone learned compassion the world would be a better place...
Kaneda
I totally agree on that. And furthermore, why being so brave about "we a-bombed an country".... Look at the past years/decade, America may have a-bombs, but if Iraq or some other country has an a-bomb, whoaaa!!!!! America can't have that, because it's a threat!!! Some American people (or America-lovers) are a bunch of losers with too high pride of their country. America wants to mingle in with every country to decide what supposed to be best for that country....cause America learned a thing or 2 from Hitler. America wants word-domination, just like the stupid fu-k Hitler once wanted... I support world-peace!!

And Japan has made mistakes, like every other country did in the past.....you can't blame the current generation for it. Just like we Dutch don't blame German people in this time and period, because it's not their fault what has happened in W.W. 2.
Pink Cream
its all to clear to me that you dont know that japan's governemnt frequently deny's their war crimes as well as pay homage to A list war criminals. look around this forum, it should enlighten you on the current political situation.

lol @ kawa for trying to play japan as the victim. innocent people & other countries were the victims, not japan.
Rickdaddy
lol @ the people who still gives a fu-k about something that happened years ago.

the real war here is the war on japanophiles, they need to be taken care of.
*promo
you know the OP is a TROLL and "it" is not Filipino. OK!
bigboy
its okay to have millions of chinese and koreans and other asians die because they are considered subhumans right?
Kaneda

In every war, there are innocent people who die..women...children....no matter what country. And yes, of course Japan has done bad things too, but think also of the people who possible were against the emperor's decisions.... Do they deserve to die too??? Think about all Dutch people who are killed by Hitler's soldiers because they thought "he/she was jew" Then America should've bombed us because hey.....maybe there are evil Dutch people who are against us, we can kill them too...
GoldenArmz
lmao at kawakonishiwa you playin the fool. japan never apologized for $hit they still denying the nanking massacre. sorry but japanese people are evil and weird and their women are mostly all ugly
DMonkey
Well Germany fully acknowledges their past mistakes in committing horrendous crimes of war. You don't see Angela Merkel going to a Hitler shrine either. Japan and sadly Japanese people will get their due until it seems that top level officials are not still perpetuating lies that Japan attacked the rest of Asia for self defense and that Korean and Chinese women willing whored themselves on a massive scale. Japan can apologize as much as it wants in the political language of treaties, but people will still be angry when it's apparent that no one in the government has actually expressed atonement for past mistakes. It's easy for the Japanese to just say "Get over it, what's past is past," but they have to remember that the blood of war stains the psyche of nations that faced brutal aggression for quite a long time. So get used to it nihon.
Aiwo
Get over it, people.

there's a lot of good that Japan has brought to Asia.

DMonkey
Yeah my heated toilet is great. I can even have it serenade me.

People like you only make things worse. "Yeah get over it everyone we massacred. We've brought A LOT OF GOOD."

fu-k off bugger.
roses
There really is no excuse for what they've done.

Like bigboy said before, no matter how nice they are and how much cool stuff they bring, its not gonna change the fact what they did was fu-ked up.

Whether or not Japan wants to be friends with asia is their choice. They can do whatever they want, but they should keep in mind that nobody is gonna forget and things are gonna get worse. Japan thinks everybody is gonna forget all about it soon. But that definitely will not happen.

and we all know, they dont give a crap at all about it, cuz its not their people that suffered.
GoldenArmz
QUOTE(Aiwo @ Jul 6 2007, 05:42 PM) [snapback]3044486[/snapback]
Get over it, people.

there's a lot of good that Japan has brought to Asia.

the sterotypical japanese response
cottonkat
QUOTE(Aiwo @ Jul 6 2007, 03:42 PM) [snapback]3044486[/snapback]
Get over it, people.

there's a lot of good that Japan has brought to Asia.



QUOTE(GoldenArmz @ Jul 6 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]3044830[/snapback]
the sterotypical japanophile response


fixed
roses
^lol, so true
Takashi
blah blah blah.........it goes on icon_rolleyes.gif
bigboy
Here are some pictures of what happened in Korea. As i said before, I dont hate japanese people or anything. I just get a little pissed of the stuff that happened. And the truth is the truth. I never saw pictures and i imagined only a few would exist, but there seems to be a lot. And the japanophiles can keep on riding on japan's d!ck. But you cant deny that the Koreans were treated like animals.

WARNING: Some graphic images, There not really bad or anything, just a few that are pretty graphic. Most of'em are pretty bearable. The more graphic ones are put at the way end.

Some descriptions:
1st picture: kid is getting stabbed by bayonet
2nd: People being forced to be buried alive while being watched by many
3rd: Hanging of beheaded heads
4th: Beheading. Picture taken at moment the head is in mid air
5th: Preparation of beheading with straw cutter while other officers gather around to help
Rest is self-explanatory

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/6158/jwwsm1.jpg

Some descriptions:
1st: Kid is about to get beheaded while being watched by many
3rd: Line of unknown amount of dead bodies that is laid out across the road
The picture with the red arrow, shows pictures of a random farmer and a nearby soldier
Rest is self-explanatory

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5186/kiifc3.jpg
Takashi
Seriously..........requesting a lock, this is just stupid, its like the millionth thread that has been turned into a "omg look at the atrocities" thread.
roses
omg look at the atrocities

















no keep it open. this thread is actually gettin interesting
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