Do you like this picture?



or this picture?



No? Yes? Well, get used to one of them, because it's only a matter of time until we see one of these map become a reality, and the global arena will have to accept it.

Reason for such claim?

Well, lets start off with a breif history of Indochina (most of you should already know):

During the 20th century, Indochina (Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam) was constantly at war. Only Thailand was free from enduring such hardship. America took advantage of Thailand by industrializing her country and created political puppets during Vietnam war, in hopes to prevent Thailand from falling into communist regime. However, after 30 years at war and millions of lives claim, America surrenders to Vietnam, which resulted in both Cambodia and Laos to fall into the hands of Vietnam's communist regime. Vietnam also dealt with Parcel Islands attack by China, Chinese border invasion and Pol Pot's invasion. Vietnam was literally weakening from all these wars. To make her problem worst, America blockaded Vietnam after the war in hopes to hurt Vietnam economically.

However, Vietnam was not going let the world hurt her. She changed her economic policies in 1985 (doi moi), which experienced slow but great economic success over the years. Vietnam took advantage of both Cambodia and Laos politically in hopes to create a stronger force for her in Indochina. At this moment, there are hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese troops in both Cambodia and Laos.

Current status in Indochina:

Thailand - experienced great success, thanks to the Vietnam war. Today, Thailand is an industrialized nation.
Cambodia - Weak leader, still a third world country and underdevelop. Needs to fight corruption and sex trafficking
Laos - Weak leader, still a third world country and underdevelop
Vietnam - Not quite developed, but government is serious about fully industrializing by 2020.

Future of Indochina:

This is where the map comes in.

Both Thailand and Vietnam are eyeing on Cambodia and Laos with determination to win them. With the current situation, it is only a matter of time until both Laos and Cambodia collapses, and will need either Thailand or Vietnam's leadership. But who will claim Cambodia and Laos sovereignty? This question is debatable, but there are certain factors to determine the winner.

LET's discuss them together!

Okay... First of all............. Ermmm...... We should......Ummmmmm..... hold our hands and jump over the bridge! WEeeeHAW!

fu-king viet troll! GTFO

He's no troll...

He speaks the truth and what is soon a reality.

What the fu-k you mean its true?!
Thailand: As of right now, less stable then Cambodia; too much crap going on.
Vietnam: China's worst enemy, they will not let this happen.

People can only share what they know , after all, you do have a mind of your own. It's your right to believe what you want.


Have it your way...

Whaaat the...! This is dumb, but then again makes some sense. Who will win if this is real? Iono, but I guess I'm leaning towards Vietnam since they practically control Cambodia right now. IF Thai attacked Vietnam, they'd have to cross over Cambodia to get to Vietnam. That's a downfall for them. I don't know whether China will support Cambodia, since they have already praise Vietnam for being power of Southeast Asia. Also, if Vietnam did annex Cambodia and Laos, I don't think China would do much since... they are doing the same thing to Tibet anyway. So I dont know. Vietnam does have 84 mil people compared to 64 in Thai. Vietnam's population is estimated to reach 100 mil by 2020, so Vietnam will win in terms of man power. But Thailand has superior military than Vietnam.. I hope Cambodia won't become lost minority to either Thai or Vietnam!

Vietnam is also more nationalistic than Thailand due to communist control over media. So more people in Vietnam will defend their country. Thailand has support from America, but Vietnam recently opened up to America as well and their relationship is growing... Ummm...And America needs Vietnam to balance out China's power... So I'm not sure!

Why show just two hopeless scenarios for the future of Cambodia and Laos, i.e. being devoured by either Vietnam or Thailand?

Why won't Cambodia and Laos together be able to take advantage of being between two more prosperous countries like Vietnam and Thailand. Besides, unlike Laos, Cambodia has own seaports and will not need any country to help her export her products. Laos has also China in the north, and the highway linking southern China to Thailand and Laos is being built, and this in the long run will allow connection with other countries in the southern part of South East Asia.

There is also this East-West corridor with highway linking the eastern part of Thailand to Southern Vietnam. This has the potential to link to northern Cambodia as well. Aren't we Khmer and Lao smart enough to take advantage of this opportunity? People won't devour us if we don't let them do so.

i have faith in cambodia, despite that its an unstable country w/ a corrupted prime minister. i just hoped that this won't ever happen. and hopefully, the pm will be overthrown by a fellow good khmer rather than by thailand or vietnam.

I HATE YOU TOFI101!

Why the hell had you to bring such a sad topic???????????

But well, unfortunately it is kinda true. Cambodia and Laos are politically and economically very unstable with a corrpted prime minister. While Vietnam currently controlling Cambodia in some ways, i think the first map is more realistic, like Vietnam is going to claim cambodia´s and laos sovereignty. Alothough i have A VERY little hope in cambodia, but no hope in Laos.

no one is going to annex any countries by anybody. influence, yes. annexation, that term is so outdated in current time. It's not a PC term by modern standard.

It's never going to happen sorry this is the year 2000 now and I doubt any countries will be annexed with any other country. The United Nations won't allow it to happen... you can't even take over anymore lands due to political views around the world along with people stopping it from happening.

From my opinion I doubt my people will let it happen... we have fought so many centuries to keep the Khmer race alive until now... We will never be a minority in our own motherlands. We will gain our independence again soon same as when we gained our independence when the French were in the area for a bit. Another thing is that we are getting lots and lots of donations from around the world, we should be able to rebuild our country from that little by little... along with the money Cambodia makes with tourism and such... I believe in my country.

how do you know that he's viet?

Read his post! He is hinting that he is Viet dumbass.

doubt its going to happen

This is more likely to happen when Khmers unite:

Very possible, indeed. But... there are downfalls:

Cambodia's population: 14,000,000
Laos population: 6,000,000

Total: 20,000,000 excluding Thai and Vietnamese minorities = ?

Thailand's population: 63,000,000 + superior military and economy
Vietnam's population: 86,000,000 + war experience and improving military and economy

Cambodia and Laos also has poor military power and infrastructure. They would die if attacked by both Vietnam and Thailand. Almost half of Laos population are Vietnamese.



Sure, it's a new millenium...but that does not necessarily mean such actions cannot be done. Tell that to PRC, who is currently controlling Tibet as well as claiming its sovereignty. It's been a hot topic on CNN for some time. Also, what about China's action towards Taiwan lately? It's only a matter of time until Taiwan becomes another province of China. Chinese mentality still believe Taiwan is apart of China. What has UN done to help Tibet? Nothing...

So, if either Thailand or Vietnam annexed Cambodia, do you think China will come to the rescue? Maybe, or maybe she will not even bother to take people's attention off Tibet issue. Maybe America? Doubt it. Cambodia is not important enough for US to go to another war with Vietnam or start something with Thailand. In fact, US would probably support the idea in order to make better use of Cambodia. Anything to balance out China's power will make US happy.




Maybe I am, maybe I'm not. Let's not get off topic.

Let's be realistic

i don't see any hint, he only talks about indochina



lol united kingdom of cambodia, you think thailand will be part of cambodia?

I WANNA PLAY TOO! From Khmer propocies.
SEA year 2050



1. Global warming, reduces the SEA coastline by 10%, Bangkok hits hardest and dissapears like Atlantis. Saigon gets coastlined.

2. Burma blocks of the 20 mile long corridor and severs southern thailand, for malays to chomp on.

3. A destroyed Bangkok, causes an issan uprise. Lao Issans and Khmer Issans, join forces in the Operation father son Favaraman, and annexes portions of Issan to there respective moterland. Laos finally gets a coastline.

4. Cambodia get provinces below the mung rivers, according to the Favaraman treaty. Cambodia moves Capital to Siem Reap.

5. Thais move capital to up north to Sukothai or Ayutaya and becomes weak.

6. Islamic rebels, found new country with help from Malaysia, al quada and Myanmar junta.

7. China food rsources Freezes over. A 500,000,000 man invasion insues SEA and SEA becomes China's rice bowl.

We are all doomed!!!!

Every country belongs to China

You think Cambodia will be apart of Thailand or Vietnam? You must be an idiot! If that's the case, vietnam, Laos and ladyboy(thailand) would have already been part of China, especially Vietnam, since China has so much military power and out number the 3 countries about 8 to 1.

The first map looks more realistic then second due to the current political condition.

I doubt that Vietnam or Thailand will be able to annex Cambodia or Laos outright. I seriously doubt that.

What I don't doubt is Laos, Vietnam, and Cambodia uniting in some kind of federation, similar to the EU. Open borders, complete freedom of interstate trade, coordinated military, etc. This I can see happen, but only if the three states involve become democratic.

Federal Republic of Indochina anyone? LOL. -:

We promise we will love cambodians and Laotians.

when did i say cambodia will be part of thailand or vietnam?

Get off my d!ck.

First of all, all of Af's members need to get a job. We have a lot of smart people in here, as least they think they are smart, which all of your are not! All day, all night you son-of-no life sitting around in front of your computer pretending that you are somebody. Day and night all of you dream that one day you will be the next president of a porn industry. Every single day all of you have something to say about some body or some country you have no knowledge of. All of you think you know it all by surfing the internet, learnt from your history class, heard your parents talk about other people or countries. All of you are full of $hit and that $hit needs to be dump in your own bathroom.

I have heard it all about my country this and that. If all of you think you are smart why not travel to your country and do something about it? Why not step out and step up to the plate and put the money where your mouth is? If you want to be somebody don't come to AF and whine about it, do something! Don't try to be smart by surfing the net. What? Now all of you are going to tell me that "oh we are just bored, we just like to express our feelings and we are too young to do something about it?". That is all you guys can do, expessing nonsense and giving excuses.

Secondly, all of your need to grow up. I know some of your are not 14 years old. Some of you are what I like to call "HALF PAST DEATH" already. Coming in here typing nonsense and pretending that you are better than others is a pest. Viet troll this, Thai troll that, Khmer troll here and loas troll there, what a bunch of no life!

Thirdly, umm, let me not go there. Why don't we have the so called SMART PEOPLE fill out the third paragraph. I am sure they have something smart to add. some of you are a two face. Today you suck Khmer crotch and tomorrow you suck Viet or Thai crotch. All of you keep on sucking each other crotch and the nonsense will never end.

"What a full of $hit you guys are"

lol I'm refraining from making any stupid comments.

Okay. At least you got that off your chest. Good one.

Thing is, not everyone here is like how you describe. You don't count yourself in that description? So unfair...

If China ever dares to attack Indochina, I can guarantee US, India, and Japan, among other counties, will be there to prevent that from happening.



That would work and is very possible to happen, but do you think Vietnam is going to settle for such meaningless status or... settle for more? Hmmm... let's reevaluate this a little...

I hope you're kidding with that meaningless status comment. Actually I know you are. LOL.

A Federation of Indochina will only strengthened the three countries, not weaken. None of the respective countries' status will be lowered. The borders will still be the same and each state will still retain it's autonomy and decision making power within it's borders (open). The economic and social pros would far outweigh the cons. Also if a clause were included enabling member nations to leave the Union (given ample notification), then the said states would be more willing to join. Just a thought. -

What's a lot of $hit! First of all, there's UN for a reason and secondly only $hitheads can come up with such stupid ideas. That's all I have to say! This's just a flamming tread.

Nice thought. It could actually work, but take these into consideration:

-Why do you think Vietnam put so much effort in controlling both Laos and Cambodia in recent years? Do you think their effort meant nothing to them?
-Why do you think Vietnam dumped 3million Vietnamese people into Laos? Is this some short of long term Laos-Vietnamese assimilation tactic?
-Why are Vietnamese refugees scattered all over Cambodia? Doesn't that mean anything to you?
-Vietnam's population is on the rise. It is predicted to reach over 100 million by 2020. If you were to control Vietnam, wouldn't you want to expand?

Think about it some more...

Yep, that's why they failed to rescue Tibet when they needed most. Now they are lost minorties of China. Sad. And Taiwan is China's next victim.

Time for the Viet to learn how to use condoms. Don't trouble others just because you can't control your population.

Tibet was colonized before the UN was established so it's kinda hard to free Tibet from mighty China. But look at the bright side, East Timor was free from Indonesia by UN.

Great for East Timor. However, for Cambodia it is a little different. Vietnamese government controls Cambodia both politically and economically. Hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese troops are at present in Cambodia. Basically, Vietnam is prepared. How important is Cambodia for any country or organization to start another Vietnam war? Maybe they will, who knows. But, realistically, Cambodia is just not important. It is sad but true. Freemasons are the ones controlling UN. If anything goes, they'd want Thailand or Vietnam to make better use of Cambodia, dont you think? They'd want this because it will help limit China's power in that region.

double post

You have proof to everyone that you can use Microsoft Paint.

I think that it is very unlikely since if Vietnam were to be conquer by China, we would have lost back in 1979. We always beat them in the end and gain more land and power afterward. Not counting Japan and Korea also have a very strong military.

These kind of information shouldn't be share, it gets people a little worry...

What do you hope to accomplish, Kono10?

One tactic that work throughout history is the encroachment of a weak country by a stronger country with a growing population. The United State gain Texas through American immigrant who come to live there which over a period of time outnumbering the local Mexican population. What followed next would be the military intervention of the US to protect its citizen in Texas from the Mexican army.

This is the same way that the Chinese have been expanding their nation for thousands of year. Their people move into lands that are occupies by there army.

Cambodia and Laos already have a lot of Vietnamese immigrant living there. Say that the Cambodian were to somehow start to hurt these people, it might give the people in Hanoi a good reason to send Troop into Cambodia to stablize the situation and protect its citizen which in the eyes of the world would be a legitimate excuse.

Ok let be realistic, do you think the world will do nothing if Thailand or Vietnam take over Laos and Cambodia? Thailand and Vietnam will be hated for such cruel action. And people who live in democratic counties won't let their government just stand there and do nothing about it. So the democratic governments will at least stop trading with Thailand or Vietnam. This world is more economically related than 50 years ago. So do think Thailand or Vietnam will survive by itself without any imported resources? Think again! I don't know what make think UN wants Thailand or Vietnam to take control of Cambodia? It's unimaginable.

Well who doesn't want more land for their growing populations. But as I said in a democratic federation each state, would be fairly equal, more or less. The population of each state would be under jurisdiction of their respective authorities. people will cross the border both ways, so it's not like only Viets will be migrating. Large numbers (unlimited) of Khmers and Laotian would be able migrate freely in Vietnam to live and work. It goes both ways.



LOL. You believe in Freemasons...?

And yes Vietnamese influence in the region does hold back Chinese hegemonistic intentions, at least for now anyways...

Kono made some good points though. The population thing can be for many reasons, so lets not jump into conclusion. We are still debating whether Thailand or Vietnam will earn sovereignty over Cambodia, but I guess majority mentions Vietnam so Vietnam is more of a threat. But a lot are loathing the idea altogether. We can continue to debate or stop here.

Not going to happen. Too many international businesses in both Thailand and Vietnam are at risk. People may hate Thailand or Vietnam, just like they're hating China for Tibet, but in one generation people will most likely forget about it.



Yes, freemasons do exist. Take a college history course. They will pop up several times. But they are never a focused topic. Ask any college professor. They are no secret to America. Just not many people know or care to know about them. George Washington admitted he was a freemason. You can either believe it or ignore it. Up to you.

flame.

Wasn't trying to accomplish anything. I'm sorry if I worried some people on here with my comments. Why shouldn't it be shared? This is a discussion forum. They're just opinions. It's not like anyone here can predict whats really going to happen anyway...right?

double post

If Vietnam want Cambodia and Laos that bad...Just ask them for it.....Who know you might get lucky!

Just do't drag Thailand into this crazy theory of yours!.......