When you lose and show you're an idiot, give up.

If you change it to 400,000 someone will just change it back, that's how wikipedia works when you have trolls vandalizing the page.

There's no way to change that wiki article. There's like 1.3 billion Chinese on standby ready, ready to revise history just in case. Hence why all the articles on that wiki page are written by Chinese sources.

Funny that when you read western articles it seems like you are reading an entirely different version of history.

Lol, that wiki article changes all the time. It used to say something more along the lines of equal number of casualties.

I better go change it to 1 Chinese superhero single-handedly decapitates 1.3 TRILLION Vietnamese. t

yeah because we all know 1.3 billion chinese all have internet access, care about vietnam, read english wiki (it's banned in china, btw), and speak english.

not even i care enough to change it when trolls adjust the death tolls.

Remember it was Vietnam who saved their lives.

What are you talking about? supernova posted the link and he wasn't serious, so I quoted the most disparate figures as a response. Then VietGuy7 slanders Chinese people as usual, so I say China went in and killed 200,000 civilians as punishment.

China attacked Vietnam about 10 times in the last millenium.

China attacked Vietnam in 1979.

China attacked India in 1962.

China supports the self-genocidal regime of Kim Jong Idiot in N. Korea. He cannot survive without them.

China supported the KR in Cambodia, and continued to support them during the Vietnamese occupation. There were over 11,000 PLA/CCP advisors in Cambodia when Vietnam invaded. Beijing knew exactly what was going on.

Vietnam invaded Cambodia because Cambodia kept attacking Vietnam.

China has had numerous border skirmishes with Russia, Mongolia, Vietnam, India... throughout the last few decades.

Somewhere between 1,000 - 10,000 people were killed in Tiananmen in 1989. Nobody knows.

"Criminals" in China have their organs harvested and sold to Westerner during their medical tourism stays in China. Such "criminals" include political dissidents and those who've committed white collar offenses.



This isn't slander. These are facts.



BTW, historians estimate that Mao's policies might have resulted up to 40-80 MILLION Chinese deaths. But the actual figure is difficult to know.

Maybe



Yes



No, India instigated it.



South Korea fields the other half of the food aid.



Yeah, that sucks.



Russia is a piece of $hit, first of all. Mongolia, they conquered like 33,000,000 km^2 so they can't complain. Vietnam and India, it's disputed.



600-3000, according to the CIA.



Yeah, it sucks. At least their murder rate is low to compensate. Most of the people being organ harvested are real criminals btw, and if they harvested as many organs as they shot people they'd have 11,000x90,000 in kidney revenue alone. So it's overexaggerated as usual by the anti-China cockroaches and parasites.

Now that you're actually debating instead of trolling, I'll debate ya...

China attacked India. India instigated what? By supporting the Tibetans who were being massacred? China annexed some Indian land and refuses to give it back.

All China-N.Korea experts say that N. Korea would quickly collaspe if the Beijing turned off the oil and gas pipelines. A few years ago, Beijing thought N. Korea was being naughty. The N. Koreans continued to be naughty. Beijing shut off the pipelines. N. Korea immediately behaved itself.

How do you know? Beijing despises political dissidents the most.

this moobie guy takes stupidity to a whole new level.

Friday August 17, 01:57 PM

Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia To Join Forces To Boost Tourism

HANOI, Aug 17 Asia Pulse - Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia are joining forces to develop trans-national tours under the theme "Three Countries - One Destination".

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070817/3/147tb.html

Laos is the one that asking China for help. They're asking the world to invest in Laos. Laos wants its name to be off the list of least developed countries by 2020. China can make it happens. China, Thailand, Vietnam are the top investors in Laos respectively. China has been giving Lao's government millions of low interest and interest free loans. They helped stable Lao's economy during the 1997 Asian financial crisis. Many roads , stadiums, hospitals, schools, shopping malls and bridges are being built by Chinese's companies. According to RFA, China's planning to invest 3 billions yuan in small northern Lao's province of Bokeo alone. Laos is already asking China to finance the railroad section in Laos that will link Kunming-Singapore.

Why China helps Laos? Of course China gives China takes. I think China wants their least developed Yunnan province to have road access to bigger markets like Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore. It will save them about one week of shipping time. They wants Laos to be under their sphere, and not depend on unfriendly communist Vietnam. It's better to keep communist Laos stable, since there are only 5 communist countries left around the world.

Can Lao's government trust China? Laos is a landlocked, communist country, small market, and 2/3 is mountainous. US and European union don't have much interest in investing in Laos. According to RFA, Lao's foreign minister, Somsavath Lengsvath wrote on his report that Laos needs China help to put us in the good position to do business with the western nations.

Laos is the one that asking China for help. They're asking the world to invest in Laos. Laos wants its name to be off the list of least developed countries by 2020. China can make it happens. China, Thailand, Vietnam are the top investors in Laos respectively. China has been giving Lao's government millions of low interest and interest free loans. They helped stable Lao's economy during the 1997 Asian financial crisis. Many roads , stadiums, hospitals, schools, shopping malls and bridges are being built by Chinese's companies. According to RFA, China's planning to invest 3 billions yuan in small northern Lao's province of Bokeo alone. Laos is already asking China to finance the railroad section in Laos that will link Kunming-Singapore.

Why China helps Laos? Of course China gives China takes. I think China wants their least developed Yunnan province to have road access to bigger markets like Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore. It will save them about one week of shipping time. They wants Laos to be under their sphere, and not depend on unfriendly communist Vietnam. It's better to keep communist Laos stable, since there are only 5 communist countries left around the world.

Can Lao's government trust China? Laos is a landlocked, communist country, small market, and 2/3 is mountainous. US and European union don't have much interest in investing in Laos. According to RFA, Lao's foreign minister, Somsavath Lengsvath wrote on his report that Laos needs China help to put us in the good position to do business with the western nations.

It is easy to point out bad history of the Chinese over the last few thousand years, but fact is, the PRC today is very different from what is was but only 2 decades ago. What important here is that unlike western or Japanese aid, Chinese aid comes with no strings attached and no apparent ulterior motive as thus can be seen at the moment. Aid in critical infrastucture that Laos desperatley needs in the way of railway, schools, roads etc. Tangible assets that will benefit cross-border in fostering trade and other exchanges, assets that Vietnam can simply not provide.

This is actually false. China today become more aggressive. The "peaceful rise" can become very delusional if one doesn't interpret it correctly. China even ordered North Korea to wipe out Japanese cars within 3 years and now Chinese cars is roaming on the streets of North Korea. I cannot imagine how North Korea is under total domination of China this far, total bastardization indeed.

http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?ca...00&num=2485

Another example is in Africa when China conveniently abandoned Zimbabwe.

http://www.iwpr.net/?p=acr&s=f&o=3...;apc_state=henh

Anyway, Lao are really nice people, I feel like they are the Danes of Asia but involving in these kinds of zero-sum games is always dangerous, requiring more than just a generation of smart leaders.

The so called Chinese U-turn is all western propaganda, an unfounded cheap shot aimed soley to re-enthasize Mugabes pariah status, wishfull thinking for the most part by a western journalist pushing his own end. The PRC embassy in Zimbabwe has denied any such as can be seen in the continued aid and projects undertaken by the chinese. Wonder why they mention this only in passing right at the end of the article? propaganda?

As for the point on North Korea, this is but your effort at dis-information. The article mentioned that there was an order to remove all Japanese cars within 3 years, but it makes no mention of it comming in as a command from the CCP. Given the level of mutual dislike between the North Korean leadership and those of Japan's, it should come as no supprise. Hell with all the threats of sanction by the Japanese combined with their continued effort to further isolate North Korea from international forums and other channels of communication, what can you expect? Remember the last round of 6 partiy talks? Without chinese help there would have been no breakthrough or compromise. The Japanese came in with nothing constructive, but only with their list of complaints and grievances.

And how is this a zero sum game? Why can not laos enjoy their relationship with one neighbour without any cost to it's relationship to another? If the PRC can offer somthing that beneficial to both sides, what is it to the Vietnamese?

The so called Chinese U-turn is all western propaganda, an unfounded cheap shot aimed soley to re-enthasize Mugabes pariah status, wishfull thinking for the most part by a western journalist pushing his own end. The PRC embassy in Zimbabwe has denied any such as can be seen in the continued aid and projects undertaken by the chinese. Wonder why they mention this only in passing right at the end of the article? propaganda?

As for the point on North Korea, this is but your effort at dis-information. The article mentioned that there was an order to remove all Japanese cars within 3 years, but it makes no mention of it comming in as a command from the CCP. Given the level of mutual dislike between the North Korean leadership and those of Japan's, it should come as no supprise. Hell with all the threats of sanction by the Japanese combined with their continued effort to further isolate North Korea from international forums and other channels of communication, what can you expect? Remember the last round of 6 partiy talks? Without chinese help there would have been no breakthrough or compromise. The Japanese came in with nothing constructive, but only with their list of complaints and grievances.

And how is this a zero sum game? Why can not laos enjoy their relationship with one neighbour without any cost to it's relationship to another? If the PRC can offer somthing that beneficial to both sides, what is it to the Vietnamese?

The so called Chinese U-turn is all western propaganda, an unfounded cheap shot aimed soley to re-enthasize Mugabes pariah status, wishfull thinking for the most part by a western journalist pushing his own end. The PRC embassy in Zimbabwe has denied any such as can be seen in the continued aid and projects undertaken by the chinese. Wonder why they mention this only in passing right at the end of the article? propaganda?

As for the point on North Korea, this is but your effort at dis-information. The article mentioned that there was an order to remove all Japanese cars within 3 years, but it makes no mention of it comming in as a command from the CCP. Given the level of mutual dislike between the North Korean leadership and those of Japan's, it should come as no supprise. Hell with all the threats of sanction by the Japanese combined with their continued effort to further isolate North Korea from international forums and other channels of communication, what can you expect? Remember the last round of 6 partiy talks? Without chinese help there would have been no breakthrough or compromise. The Japanese came in with nothing constructive, but only with their list of complaints and grievances.

And how is this a zero sum game? Why can not laos enjoy their relationship with one neighbour without any cost to it's relationship to another? If the PRC can offer somthing that beneficial to both sides, what is it to the Vietnamese?

The so called Chinese U-turn is all western propaganda, an unfounded cheap shot aimed soley to re-enthasize Mugabes pariah status, wishfull thinking for the most part by a western journalist pushing his own end. The PRC embassy in Zimbabwe has denied any such as can be seen in the continued aid and projects undertaken by the chinese. Wonder why they mention this only in passing right at the end of the article? propaganda?

As for the point on North Korea, this is but your effort at dis-information. The article mentioned that there was an order to remove all Japanese cars within 3 years, but it makes no mention of it comming in as a command from the CCP. Given the level of mutual dislike between the North Korean leadership and those of Japan's, it should come as no supprise. Hell with all the threats of sanction by the Japanese combined with their continued effort to further isolate North Korea from international forums and other channels of communication, what can you expect? Remember the last round of 6 partiy talks? Without chinese help there would have been no breakthrough or compromise. The Japanese came in with nothing constructive, but only with their list of complaints and grievances.

And how is this a zero sum game? Why can not laos enjoy their relationship with one neighbour without any cost to it's relationship to another? If the PRC can offer somthing that beneficial to both sides, what is it to the Vietnamese?

The so called Chinese U-turn is all western propaganda, an unfounded cheap shot aimed soley to re-enthasize Mugabes pariah status, wishfull thinking for the most part by a western journalist pushing his own end. The PRC embassy in Zimbabwe has denied any such as can be seen in the continued aid and projects undertaken by the chinese. Wonder why they mention this only in passing right at the end of the article? propaganda?

As for the point on North Korea, this is but your effort at dis-information. The article mentioned that there was an order to remove all Japanese cars within 3 years, but it makes no mention of it comming in as a command from the CCP. Given the level of mutual dislike between the North Korean leadership and those of Japan's, it should come as no supprise. Hell with all the threats of sanction by the Japanese combined with their continued effort to further isolate North Korea from international forums and other channels of communication, what can you expect? Remember the last round of 6 partiy talks? Without chinese help there would have been no breakthrough or compromise. The Japanese came in with nothing constructive, but only with their list of complaints and grievances.

And how is this a zero sum game? Why can not laos enjoy their relationship with one neighbour without any cost to it's relationship to another? If the PRC can offer somthing that beneficial to both sides, what is it to the Vietnamese?

I agree with your explanation from your standpoint of view. Whether you see it as I dis-information, whether China care about the people of Zimbabwe, Sudan or just conveniently abandon these regimes at the time they need most, things will elaborate over time, like how Cambodia doesn't allow Taiwan representative office, requiring Vietnam to disallow Taiwan delegates attending APEC but getting rejected, and lately even ask Vietnam media to tune down on Chinese products safety
Anyways, Laos needs to do what it needs to improve the lives of its people. Laos can positively help bridging the relationship between Vietnam & China as it did in the past in 1989. Vietnam wants nothing less than a prosperous ASEAN.

I agree with your explanation from your standpoint of view. Whether you see it as I dis-information, whether China care about the people of Zimbabwe, Sudan or just conveniently abandon these regimes at the time they need most, things will elaborate over time, like how Cambodia doesn't allow Taiwan representative office, requiring Vietnam to disallow Taiwan delegates attending APEC but getting rejected, and lately even ask Vietnam media to tune down on Chinese products safety
Anyways, Laos needs to do what it needs to improve the lives of its people. Laos can positively help bridging the relationship between Vietnam & China as it did in the past in 1989. Vietnam wants nothing less than a prosperous ASEAN.

^^ Sounds like a spokeperson for Vietnam.

Why is this under Hmong Chat?

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