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We should enjoy the alliance while it lasts, but I feel that soon the alliance will find its place in the pages of world history.

i really doubt the russians, the only other pivotal member in the SCO, really trusts china that much.

Guess what, the US , EU and its missile defense really piss the russians off. Looks like the Russia and the west are going toward a new Cold War..
What other partners does the russia have that powerful to counter that, Do you think India can partner up /w the russia to counter US and EU? Don't think so..

Wow, such wonderful smiles on such beautiful faces.

Too bad that a smile says nothing about how someone views you.

Lol.

But Russia's demographic situation isn't looking too good-vodka simply is not a solution to depression and unemployment.

They're damn scared of half a million half Manchurian settlers pouring over into East Siberia.

Meanwhile the rest of China is enjoying good relations with them-common goal-counter the might of the USA.

When China and the US had a short term cooperation during the cold war era, both didn't trust each other either. The USSR's outward aggresiveness was what bonded the US and China together. you are right. Russia doesnt trust China and vice versa. But both don't trust the US even more. That's what drives two getting together. The missle defense system is right on the Russian doorstep now. You think Russia is going to sit there and do nothing? I don'tthink so.

The Russians are overreacting like they always do in their paranoia.

The US BMD only consists of a OTH radar for tracking BMs, range-1200km and only 10 interceptors-what the Russians are really annoyed about is that this station can scan as far as the Urals.

Also, the BMD is not by any means tested or accurate against MIRved Russian BMs such as the Topol M, in fact since the BMD used a kinetic warhead to intercept the BM in its terminal stage ie. after the re-entry vehicles containing the warheads have already separated from the missile, it can only 'hit to kill' one out of four warheads on the missile. Russia has 45 Topol M in service as of 2007 and a total of 12,700 nuclear warheads, we can safely assume that BM'd warheads number at least about 8,000.

According to the Russians, the Topol M incorporates stealth features, re entry maneuverability, other classified stuff- complicating any interception making it difficult if not impossble to destroy a BM in mid flight.

Remember Reagan's Star Wars back in the 80's? He gave up on that because there was no way that even a limited BMD could ward off a Soviet nuclear strike on the US.

Standard NATO doctrine is to fire two interceptors at one missile-how many interceptors would you need for that? Too many.

Simply not cost effective or technically feasible to destroy all missiles fired.

But what's possible is a BMD against a regional power wannabe such as Iran whose BMs are not advanced.

That's why the only purpose of such a BMD is to ward against the limited single warhead BMs of Iran, Shahab II/III/IV.

The US wants to depoly BMD system in the former Soviet satellite states not far from Moscow. Those systems are setting up to take care of Iran. Sure. that makes a lot of sense.

I'm not sure about how much you exactly know about weaponry but according to the Iranians their Shabab IV has the ability to "achieve exo-atmospheric maneuverability"-changing the flight path in the atmosphere as well as "stealth" features.

We don't know how much of the truth the Iranians are telling but the US needs radar stations covering a <270 degree radius around Iran to properly locate, triangulate and intercept the BM.

It's only the stations that are in the ex-USSR states, the interceptors will be located in Poland or the Czech Republic.

I told you, its all about the radar coverage that can stretch into Russia that they're annoyed about.

excuses, excuses,.....if the BMD is really aiming at Iran, the US can set up the system in Afghanistan, Iraq, or any American friendly Arab nations. Those places are far more closer to Iran than any former USSR satellite states. Didn't the Russians just warn the US that they will respond in kind by reaiming Russian nukes at West European if the US decide to depoly BMD in the USSR satellite states? I don't believe it's just Russian paranoia.

were these exercises held in russia? because i doubt the other central asian countries mind china that much.

This year is in Russia.

Funny-laugh2

Why don't you compile a list of statements the Iranian Foreign Ministry has been making since Jan 2001?

The targets of Iranian BMs are Israel and Europe.

Israel already has the Hetz/Arrow-II ABM system in place.

Europe, allies of the US under NATO has none.

The direction of the Iranian threat is towards the North West, explaining why there is no stations in Afghan (east) or Iraq (west).

I don't see Iran firing off at China any time soon.

I know the Russians are serious when they say they will take countermeasures-but you forget that all Russian BMs have ranges of more than 5000km, covering all of Europe.

"Re aiming" means nothing because:

1.They probably already have been targeted at European capitals the whole while and

2.It takes 5min to reaim/key in the coordinates of a target.

You'll know when the US is targeting Russia when the ten interceptors become 100-but its not going to happen-cost.

neither the us nor russia are going to engage in a war anytime soon........... cos they know whoever loses china will be there to pick up the pieces....... im not sure if u guys follow whats going on in eu but the only thing on their mind is china .......

they dont really give a damn about anything else............

actually its pretty much the same everywhere ................

look at the americas: america no, canada no, all south american countries no
europe no
africa no
middle east no
russia no
india no

literally the whole world does not want you to be a superpower ..... u will be the most "unwanted" superpower in the history of the world .... just declare urself a superpower ..... cos the rest of the world will not recognise you as one...

come to think of it ........ u guys could be the perfect villain that the world always needed.........

Russian and American national power will likely decline in the decades to come. Chinese national power is likely to increase during the same period.

Russia stole Chinese territory during the 19th century. Territory that China will need in the future. Territory that Russia intends to retain.

Russia and America have no territorial claims against each other.

What does historical precedent tell us is likely to occur?

Before the end of this century Russia will seek alliance with America against China. It's simply the balance of power.