Interesting article on India Forum:



Fall of the Third Reich did not put an end to academic race theories that formed the core of its ideology. In various guises, their legacy continues in Western academia as well as in the politics of countries formerly under European rule. While avoiding overtly racial terms, scholars in disciplines like Indo-European Studies continue to uphold scientifically discredited and historically disgraced theories built around the Aryan myth. Some academics have resorted to media campaigns and political lobbying to save their theories and the discipline from natural extinction— a tactic that came to the fore when California education authorities attempted to remove these theories from their school curriculum. The legacy of racism persists in sectarian politics in South India, and most insidiously in Africa where it gave rise to the horrific Hutu-Tutsi clashes in one of the worst genocides in modern history. A singular feature of this neo-racist scholarship is the replacement of anti-Semitism by anti-Hinduism.

more here...
http://www.india-forum.com/articles/5391/1...obal-Background

Very nicely written article. It can dispel lot of confusion and misinformation about the Aryans and the things western academics do to retain and spread their outdated beliefs in other forms. Thanks for posting.

I remember an introductory course to Eastern religions I took a few years ago at Uni. They actually presented the Aryan invasion of India as scientific fact!! And, not knowing any better, I believed it until just recently when I became interested in Indian history. Its almost unbelievable that, at the post secondary level, they would still be pushing this crap.

If you're still at Uni, I'd suggest bringing forward the debate to dispute it. Not so much to try and prove it never was real, but the fact that they shouldn't teach it as fact when it's so heavily disputed. Such questionable teaching not only brings down the reputation of the Uni (thus indirectly lowering the value of your degree to an employer), but also will result in many ignorant students.

Really? Then you can sue them for tricking people into believing something non-existent. It shows their incompetence as teachers.


Indian academics and historians have long trying to argue against any invasion by the Aryans but western academics always used to rebuke them. Now thanks to science Indians have been vindicated. Bro I really used to feel that in western countries schools and universities teach students of very wrong history about the Subcontinent and Hinduism. Now I am happy that some common sense have been shown by american academics and they just don't blindly follow outdated and wrong facts about eastern cultures and history.

I have just finished reading the article posted by the topic starter. Would like to share some of it. It is a nice read.

The myth of Aryans is that they have Nordic light skin, blond hair, and blue eyes.

True Aryans had brown eyes, brown hair, and light asiantic skin (a tad or so darker than Nordic).

Fact is, Europeans actually came from Asia. So, you could make a better argument that Indians conquered Europe. Oldest modern human civilization actually began in India.




WASHINGTON - Early humanlike residents of Europe may have arrived out of Asia, rather than just Africa.

An international team of researchers reports in Monday’s online edition of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that Asians appear to have played a larger part in the settlement of Europe than did Africans.

The team led by Maria Martinon-Torres of the National Center for the Investigation of Human Evolution, in Burgos, Spain, reached that conclusion after analyzing more than 5,000 fossil teeth from early hominins, an early form of human predecessors.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20149502/

That's my experience, but my friend has a white history teacher that also didn't believe in the AIT and said that some Christian scholars have purposely twisted around religious writings.


The problem is that when you speak up too much to correct a teacher, some teachers don't like it , they think it disrupts class time, or they refute things for you and say "this is what the book says blah blah.'

Anyways, I think David Frawley did the best job on refuting AIT.

Teachers in the west have no way of knowing the truth. All they get to know from the day they start their education till their job as a teacher that there was some Aryan race. Good at least there is some awareness among much learned people. But lots of ignorance needed to be dispelled which seems impossible.

Yes Christian scholars, they have a wide network it is all about converting people. Tell people that Brahmins were bad to them you belong to different race oppressed people Hinduism has this that flaws blah blah I have heard a lot of these type of things from the mouths of Dalit Christian activists they have been completely brainwashed. Christian groups campaign in western countries for funds, sympathizers and dedicated missionaries. Most of the misinformation comes from the belief of Aryan invasion of the Subcontinent. Which is totally rubbish.


Who is he by the way? And what he really did?

He wrote some great pieces and books on refuting the AIT theory, and as unscientific as it sounds...He brought up how Indians were too passive when Christian scholars were translating their scriptures. He said how would Christians like it if Hindus interpreted the bible.

He said it was sad how he as a white man had to refute the AIT while a lot of Indians simply accepted the theory and believed it to be true without even questioning it.

I would have to personally agree with him though.

rubbish aryan invasion theory ............. but saying that its just the white people who promoted this is also nonsense .........

there have been many africans and chinese people as well who happily promote this myth inorder to make indians lose credibility and look stupid ........... frankly a lot of the white people have actually admitted that this theory is false and holds no ground ........while dumb afrocentrics like runoko rashidi claim otherwise......

its a good thing that this rubbish has been dumped outside and no one in present day india believes in this stupid myth.....

it's mostly afro and eurocentrists selling crazy to idiots.

Eurocentrists believe the invading Aryans were white people, and Afrocentrists believe the invaded Dravidians were black people, but most neutral scholars already know the Aryan Invasion Theory is hogwash. The AIT theory has now largely been replaced by the Indo-Aryan migration hypothesis (which is itself debateable).

Nope...

Some Europeans come from Africa like the muslim conquerers that invaded Spain and were utterly crushed by the Franks and later withdrawn out of Iberia by the Christian Kingdoms of Castile, Leon, and Aragon.




Unlikely because Indo-Aryans are actually a hybrid of Aryans, Dravidians, and Austro-Asiatic people like the Khmer.




Sumeria is not in India.




Not true. Indo-Europeans arrived from the Caucus region of Eurasia, but the original inhabitants came from Morocco and became the Basque, Europes oldest still living language.



You do know that Asians came from Africa and thus it is really saying that Africans made a large settlement in Europe through Asia than they did through Africa. This is true as the Indo-Europeans might have measured out at a million or so people when they invaded the two hundred or so thousand living pre-indo-europeans that lived in Europe.



Hominids, not hominins.


Let me show you something...

This is what Aryan people looked like



The striking Nordic, Celtic, Slavic, and Mediterranean features had already existed in Europe ever since Homo Sapiens began to appear in Europe from Africa and well before there were any Aryans in that region, which were probably during that time migrating around China, Mongolia, and Iran before actually making their first established settlement in the Caucus before they divided off and migrating out of the Caucus into Europe, Iran, Russia, the middle-east, and India.



Well both groups of racial idiots are wrong. Aryans were Northern Asiatic people that migrated into the Caucus of Eurasia before moving out and pimping it out with the pre-Indo-european people such as the Basque, Minoans, and Etruscans or moving into Russia and pimping it out with the Uralic tribes of that region or moving into Iran and India and pimping it out with the Dravidian, Sumerian, and Semetic tribes of that region.

For what its worth, Dravidians themselves claim that they are not natives of the Indian Subcontinent in the first place. According to Dravidian legends and history, the Dravidians moved into South India when their homeland (which was called Kumari Kundam and was found further south off the coast of India) flooded and sunk, causing a large migration of their elders to Kanya Kumari (which is the very sourthern tip of modern-day India).

That is true that the Dravidians are not the original inhabitants of India, that was Peking Man a hominid of the Homo Erectus Species.

The legend of the origin of Dravidians is the same for those of all Afra-Asiatic people, Eastern Native Americans, and certain other groups of people. This is the legend of Atlantis, but that is simply the Greek name for that civilization. They weren't really an Island as much as a whole civilization that flourished across much of the globe in regions that were submerged into the ocean by uhh well things you will never fully understand in your lifetime, unfortunately.

I mean I would like to tell you, but then you want evidence after evidence of "proof" for which would take much of my time away from my studying making me a drop out and making the rest of my life a living a hell. So now you know why I can't.

Sorry, you lost me there.

Peking man is a Hoax so is the Java man. All mankind came from Africa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jin_Li

The Aryan (Arayan) are the white Indians and Dravidians are the dark Indians and this concept gave rise to the Indian Caste System which is still being practiced by many cultures unknowingly.

Yes this is the currently accepted theory that all humans have their origins in Africa.


This is totally rubbish. The caste system has nothing to do with Aryans or Dravidians. In fact Aryans and Dravidians are the creation of western intellectuals they never existed in India before the British starting interpreting Indian religions, cultures and society in their own way. Have you read other posts in this thread? or tried to open the link provided by the topic starter and read it? Please do so it will open your eyes.

Note : @Expressurself I was talking about this ignorance that most people are influenced with. Knowingly or unknowingly they carry the same old notions in their minds that were long proved to be wrong.

Was this land the fabled Lemuria?

Or maybe it was just Sri Lanka, but Dravidians just felt like giving it a fancy name like Kumari Kundam or Lemuria.

So if I call you a black man, would you disagree ?

Yes I will disagree because a black man is not black actually. I prefer being known by my nationality rather.