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In pictures: India's African communities


Mystery

Compared to the fate of Africans taken as slaves to the New World, the history of Africans in India is still largely unknown.

There are small communities like Jambur scattered along India's west coast. They are the home to the descendants of Africans who were brought to the subcontinent as slaves. Many others travelled as mercenaries, merchants and sailors.

Sea trade between east and southern Africa, and Gujarat in India was established more than 2,000 years ago.



Drums

Some historians think millions of Africans crossed the ocean.

The African-Indians are called Sidis.

One of the strongest remaining links they have to their roots is the damaal or drum. Otherwise Sidi culture is not significantly different to that of other poor, rural Indians.

"The damaal comes from Africa," explains Yunus, a blind man who is the chief drummer of Jambur. "The skill of playing has been passed down from father to son. It is a gift from God," he says.



Song and dance

Every evening Yunus leads Jambur's musicians and dancers to a shrine outside the village.

Like most Sidis, the people of Jambur are Sufi Muslims, who believe God is worshipped through song and dance.

Anthropologists believe the dancers' ecstatic performances are a combination of traditional African worship and Indian Sufi practices.



Money

Pilgrims give money to the village's musicians.

This dancer stuffs the bank notes in his mouth.


Chains

Sidis and Indian Muslims come from hundreds of kilometres away to worship at the shrine at Jambur.

Some hope for miracles.

Women who are unable to conceive are brought here to be cured of infertility. Families who believe their sons have been possessed by evil spirits think they can be cured of mental illness.

Some, like this young man who has joined the dancers, are brought in chains, which have cut his wrists.



Shrine

The shrine in Jambur houses the tomb of a saint known as Nagarchi Baba - Drum Master.

The Sidis say he was an Arab who visited Africa some 900 years ago, before settling in India.

The Sidis also worship another Sufi saint at the shrine, known as Bava Gor, a Nigerian bead merchant.

The priests are possessed by the spirits of the saints and bless the worshippers.


Recruits

Jambur is an impoverished village. The people work as labourers for neighbouring farmers. They also receive help from the government under an affirmative action programme for poor communities.

Jambur was settled by the families of Sidi soldiers of the former ruler, or Nawab, of the area.

Many of India's kings and princes recruited Africans as their personal bodyguards, servants and musicians. In some parts of the country Sidis even rose to be powerful generals or kings themselves.



Forefathers

Hassan Bhai says his forefathers came from Mozambique to serve in Portugal's colonial army which controlled a nearby port. But most Sidis have little idea of where their families came from.

"The children don't know anything about Africa because those who knew about Africa have died," Hassan says.
pancaindera
wow. interesting stuff. didnt know there were African communities in India. So they came during British rule?

The last picture of a guy looks like Indian though..
the_falcon
QUOTE(pancaindera @ Oct 1 2007, 08:51 AM) *
wow. interesting stuff. didnt know there were African communities in India. So they came during British rule?

The last picture of a guy looks like Indian though..



its nonsense they were such a miniscule population that its ridiculous ........... maybe somewhere around 4000 lived in india and that too when the census was taken in the 90s and even then most of them were mixed ......... apart from the somalians who pay heaps to come to india and study. the population of africans in india is non existent ......... icon_neutral.gif

i didnt mean to sound rude .......... but some crackpot afrocentrics like runoko rashidi usually make such claims inorder to make land grabs on india ......... its hilarious ........ embarassedlaugh.gif

u cant tell where some of the pictures are taken. the first picture looked like it could be anywhere in africa ......... i remember that crackpot got so desperate that he started posting random pictures claiming them to be indians and then trying to claim indian culture ......... he is a total nut ......... u should check him out his name is runoko rashidi and im pretty sure those photos are from his website. he keeps posting the same photos again and again cos he cant get hold of others........ embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

ps : ive got no problems with african americans just talking about some of the other afrocentric nuts .........
Dette
My friend who came from gujarati tribe mentioned that there is hardly hundred of africans in India particularly in Mumbai from where he is now.
Only a few could have settled there in India.But possible that there are a few africans in there.
jiggyiggy
There are relativily a lot of students from Africa in India, I've met a few of them; but the community he is talking about are a people called the Siddhis. I don't have any first hand knowledge about them, but their numbers are about 10,000-100,000 and they aren't "Africans" in any sort of cultural sense. As it was already stated, they probably arrived as merchants, soldiers, and servants about 2-4 centuries ago.
resilientone
interesting...thanks for posting.
tangawizi
Vice versa, there are boatloads of Gujaratis living here in Africa as well... they came as bonded tradesmen with the Brits and stayed on to become the economic powerhouses in East Africa. Gujeratis, they are some mean mofos when it comes to business... embarassedlaugh.gif
jiggyiggy
^Gujarati :P

lol TBH, Gujaratis are a friggin greedy bunch.
JuicyFruit
QUOTE(Dette @ Dec 3 2007, 10:58 AM) *
My friend who came from gujarati tribe


LOL @ tribe.
Henry123
There are also native Africans in India too. I remember seeing a documentry about 3 years ago about the African decendent peoples of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. It was very interesting.
kkdkckrl
QUOTE(Henry123 @ Dec 3 2007, 06:12 PM) *
There are also native Africans in India too. I remember seeing a documentry about 3 years ago about the African decendent peoples of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. It was very interesting.


yeah, but they are not mainland indians. They are an indigenous group that live in an island that India controls and administers. By the way, contact with them is forbidden.
jiggyiggy
QUOTE(JuicyFruit @ Dec 3 2007, 06:08 PM) *
LOL @ tribe.


yeah dette is something of a ditz, it's innocent enough so I forgive him/her.
JuicyFruit
To her credit she's taking interest and going out of her way to learn about something foreign to her. How many people do that?

Dette, what's your ethnicity? And thanks for posting in this section.
Dette
Sorry guys , Im just human wanting to learn more of the outside world..... bawling.gif icon_sad.gif

Maybe I should just focus on other thread...

Good bye India.....
Jagger
QUOTE(jiggyiggy @ Dec 3 2007, 04:00 PM) *
There are relativily a lot of students from Africa in India, I've met a few of them; but the community he is talking about are a people called the Siddhis. I don't have any first hand knowledge about them, but their numbers are about 10,000-100,000 and they aren't "Africans" in any sort of cultural sense. As it was already stated, they probably arrived as merchants, soldiers, and servants about 2-4 centuries ago.

Since most of them are Muslims, many of them probably arrived in India earlier than that, possibly through the Arabian slave trade.

QUOTE(Dette @ Dec 4 2007, 11:24 AM) *
Sorry guys , Im just human wanting to learn more of the outside world..... bawling.gif icon_sad.gif

Maybe I should just focus on other thread...

Good bye India.....

There's no need to go... Everyone's already forgiven your ditziness.
Dette
QUOTE(Jagger @ Dec 4 2007, 10:45 PM) *
Since most of them are Muslims, many of them probably arrived in India earlier than that, possibly through the Arabian slave trade.


There's no need to go... Everyone's already forgiven your ditziness.


Who said Im going?????? embarassedlaugh.gif

I like it here! Thanks Jaggerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

And thanks for calling me ditzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...luv yah ol!

I just find India more interesting.. icon_wink.gif
JuicyFruit
Answer my question, please.

QUOTE(JuicyFruit @ Dec 4 2007, 12:45 AM) *
Dette, what's your ethnicity?

Jagger
QUOTE(Dette @ Dec 4 2007, 02:56 PM) *
Who said Im going?????? embarassedlaugh.gif

I like it here! Thanks Jaggerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

And thanks for calling me ditzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...luv yah ol!

I just find India more interesting.. icon_wink.gif

You're a wierdo, but I like.
tangawizi
QUOTE(jiggyiggy @ Dec 3 2007, 10:46 PM) *
^Gujarati :P

lol TBH, Gujaratis are a friggin greedy bunch.



funny, the africans say the same thing about the Gajaratis.. that they are a greedy lot who would sell their souls to make a buck. do u have the same prejudice against Gujaratis in yr community?


QUOTE(kkdkckrl @ Dec 4 2007, 03:15 AM) *
yeah, but they are not mainland indians. They are an indigenous group that live in an island that India controls and administers. By the way, contact with them is forbidden.


Why is contact with the Nicobar africans forbidden??
Jagger
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Dec 6 2007, 05:32 PM) *
funny, the africans say the same thing about the Gajaratis.. that they are a greedy lot who would sell their souls to make a buck. do u have the same prejudice against Gujaratis in yr community?

Why is contact with the Nicobar africans forbidden??

That's because Jiggy is a self-hating Gujew (I kid, I kid).

The Nicobarese are not Africans, they are aboriginal Asians.
kkdkckrl
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Dec 6 2007, 12:32 PM) *
funny, the africans say the same thing about the Gajaratis.. that they are a greedy lot who would sell their souls to make a buck. do u have the same prejudice against Gujaratis in yr community?


He himself is a gujarati!
QUOTE
Why is contact with the Nicobar africans forbidden??



Contact with other ppl almost wiped out these guys. These guys have no defenses against diseases.
VAMAN
A thread on Siddis is incomplete without the mention of the impregnable fort of 'Janjira'. It is a testimony to the extent of power people of African origin had in India. Portuguese, Dutch, English and the Marathas tried to capture this fort from Siddis but always failed. This fort was never conqured by anyone. It is situated deep inside the sea.

http://www.murudjanjira.com/



JuicyFruit
^Cool. Thanks for sharing.
jiggyiggy
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Dec 6 2007, 12:32 PM) *
funny, the africans say the same thing about the Gajaratis.. that they are a greedy lot who would sell their souls to make a buck. do u have the same prejudice against Gujaratis in yr community?
Why is contact with the Nicobar africans forbidden??


It's not greed, it's a drive for success. If a Gujarati doesn't find the success he wants in his own lifetime then he'll be damn sure he'll find some postmortem success through his kids/grandkids.

Contact with the Andaman Islanders is forbidden because they are...

1. Prone to diseases.
2. They are an aborigonal people(Tribals tend to be abused/exploited in India).
3. They are in their own paradise right now, why force the evils of civilization upon them?
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