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elephantking
QUOTE(PeaceMan @ Sep 4 2007, 08:11 PM) *
So we are not "just" a mix of Ailao and khmer. We are the Hybrid of all of our ancestors' blood.They're all help created this nation.

We might shared the "Tai-Ailao" ancestors, but You're "Lao" and we are "Thai" I'm happy we are related,but to claim this land and people as yours.That's too much.This is the twenty1st century.

BTW: Since "Ailao" and "Tai" are the same people Issan are our people,just been through differents kingdoms.


Visit Thailand now you'll see majority of "Issan" people don't called themselves "Lao","Coz they're "Thai",although they might be of the "Tai/Ailao" ethnic groups.They're happily and proudly considering themselves as "Thai"

Good answer , politically and psychologically correct. Kingdom rise and fall but the people remain there to mix in with the new group.
Manleow
QUOTE(PeaceMan @ Sep 4 2007, 10:11 PM) *
So we are not "just" a mix of Ailao and khmer. We are the Hybrid of all of our ancestors' blood.They're all help created this nation.

We might shared the "Tai-Ailao" ancestors, but You're "Lao" and we are "Thai" I'm happy we are related,but to claim this land and people as yours.That's too much.This is the twenty1st century.

BTW: Since "Ailao" and "Tai" are the same people Issan are our people,just been through differents kingdoms.

Visit Thailand now you'll see majority of "Issan" people don't called themselves "Lao","Coz they're "Thai",although they might be of the "Tai/Ailao" ethnic groups.They're happily and proudly considering themselves as "Thai"

uR thai is a generic term, that is the difference between you and I

I need say more,

I am the Ai Lao ppl that built ur Nation of Thailand, ur king is from my blood, he is not from this generic term u guys refer to as "Thai"

that is the difference between Lao and Thai.
elephantking
QUOTE(Manleow @ Sep 5 2007, 05:49 PM) *
uR thai is a generic term, that is the difference between you and I

I need say more,

I am the Ai Lao ppl that built ur Nation of Thailand, ur king is from my blood, he is not from this generic term u guys refer to as "Thai"

that is the difference between Lao and Thai.

Good reply ..
PeaceMan
QUOTE(Manleow @ Sep 5 2007, 07:49 PM) *
uR thai is a generic term, that is the difference between you and I

I need say more,

I am the Ai Lao ppl that built ur Nation of Thailand, ur king is from my blood, he is not from this generic term u guys refer to as "Thai"

that is the difference between Lao and Thai.


You could be from the Tai-Ailao like us ,we might shared our ancestor,but if you considering yourself as Lao and not Thai then you are not building this Nation of Thailand.

My King is from the blood of all of our ancestors.He is "Thai". If there could be ,shan, nyou,D'tai,Mon,Khmer.From Different time and space If you could called yourself Lao ,We the "hybrid" should have every right to called ourselves Thai.

Don't talk to me about pure blood,'coz before Nanjao was formed,there were so many tribes in the land of today Chaina(or sib song pun na).

We been through defferent kingdoms, we had our raise and fall ,now we sattled down here with our family of "Thai"people.

From "Tai-Ailao" you shose the word "Lao" tho represent you. We shose the word "Thai" to represent our" hybrid ethnic"' coz we can't deny that we are the hybrid.And all of them are our ancestors that help created this nation From Sukothai ,Ayuttaya,Thonbury 'till now Rattanakosin.

And we are proud of our ancestors.For we are the "hybrid" of Tai-Ailao,Mon-Khmer,Malay(Java),Chinese.
Manleow
U seem to be missing the point here,

There is no "Thai" ethnicity, of course no one is arguing if u live in thailand u are Thai, because that is ur nationality, but thats not the point,

"Lao" is an ethnicity, then u have Viet, Khmer, Hmong, Khmu, etc, miniroty "Ethnic" groups in the country of Laos, who are "Lao" because they are the citizens of "Laos" but they are not Lao ethnic's.

cant say it any clearer.

thats good that u mention all those Lao Kingdoms.

Mengrai was the first "Lao" Monarch of Lanna,

RamKhamHeung is also "Lao" who created a Lao script not thai, Thai did not exist then, Sukothai kingdom spoke and wrote Lao, Sukothai script and language is most simular if not the same as the present Lao language and script, not thai. All our grandparents can read and understand Sukothai script, i wonder if central thai ppl understand it?

Ancient Siamese before Ramkhamheung conquered Central THailand, spoke and wrote Khmer script and Language.

Ramathibodi was the First "Lao" king of Ayutthya, He claims to be Lao royal bloodline when he became king.

Rama 9th, we know is at least 1/2 Lao, on his mothers Side. his father side, well we really dont know, i guess we can include ur point of some sort of Hybrid.

those who claim some sort of Thai ethnicity is blind, and dont know very much about history

ur talking about nationality, im talking about ethnicity,

Lao ppl make up the majority ethnicity of Thailand, meaning, the majority of "Thais" are Lao, ethnicly speaking of course

thats ok if u say that Thailand is a hybrid, just as long as u know that hybrid doesnt include any such thing as "Thai,"

and i agree that Lao are these different subgroups that exist in present day Southern China, Yunnan Province, and that is who we are, they are the Ai Lao.

and the only claim of thai ppl to that group of ppl who migrated into Southeast asia, is only through the Lao ppl. meaning the Lao makes up at least that one part of the "Thai" hybrid.
Goombaking209
^ but his point is that the Tai/Ai-lao + Mon + Khmer + Malay have mixed and mingled to create the hybrid race of Siamese or Thai. Mixing may have more or less certainly occurred but I'm sure many Thais would have some knowledge of their Ethnic Background. Corky's wife is Mon. Lemongrass is Khmer. But they are all Thai, not ethnic Thai/Siamese.
Manleow
^^^ yes i acknowledge that this Thai thing is this hybrid, but the hybrid is as u said, mostly from Lao or Khmer or Mon, if u want to seperate the two, or whatever.

even though Lao ppl themselves are another hybrid of subgroups but we come from a certain region of subgroups in Southern China before we entered SEA (excluding Khmer mix of course), the Thai come from this Lao hybrid as he said, so then, Thai is just a hybrid of another hybrid but also includes other hybrids such as Khmer and Mon, which is somewhat of hybrid themselves. and of course, Mala, indian, etc. etc....
corky
all people everywhere are all hybrids. no escaping that ! you might consider yoursefl 100% whatever but unless you say i am 100% african then you are just being a fool.

we are all ethnically mixed, thats the effect of series of divergences and convergences in human evolution.
actually its a good thing. best thing about thailand is the way people can integrate and just mix in after a generation or two.
Buklearhee
QUOTE(corky @ Sep 13 2007, 12:59 AM) *
all people everywhere are all hybrids. no escaping that ! you might consider yoursefl 100% whatever but unless you say i am 100% african then you are just being a fool.

we are all ethnically mixed, thats the effect of series of divergences and convergences in human evolution.
actually its a good thing. best thing about thailand is the way people can integrate and just mix in after a generation or two.

Your an African booty scratcher ! Lolz...
corky
QUOTE(Buklearhee @ Sep 13 2007, 02:48 PM) *
Your an African booty scratcher ! Lolz...

i am sorry but to scratch where it itches is better than fine clothes or riches embarassedlaugh.gif


and my booty is very itchy...
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