I think we should learn some useful experiences on how to build a military power from Israel. Israel is a tiny country but he has an advanced industrial system and a splendid national defence. Why we can't build our country on this blueprint.

For one thing, the Israeli got expert and very good connection in many field of studies scatter all over the world before their country were founded.

lol, first of all what would Mongolia need to defent itself against? Sandstorms? lol......

and second of all Israel has the USA as its ally, that says it all

The U.S dumps like 4-7 billion on Israel yearly, which helps.

10 billions annually in aid.

Realisticly, our strength has to come from within, remember the Israelis have U.S. support, and a coast.

Start digging for oil then the U.S. will prolly become our new best friend.

I thought the turks went to mongolia a while ago to train the army or somethin


I read it somewhere a while ago


i need to find the link

Realistically speaking, Outer Mongolia will never be a major military power in any shape or form.

yeah, in case some crazy mongol wants to burn down Moscow or sack Beijing again, an army would come handy

Thats why we will annex the Chinese nation and use PLA soldiers as our own.

I,m very happy to see that my topic have been restarted again, so I can elaborate my plan in detail.
Nowadays, America, Turkey Japan and some western powers is managing to approach Mongolia. It's clear that their core purpose is to use us as a power to counterweight Russia and China, that why they offer us free-debt and give our soldiers systematic training, and recently, India bulids a huge advanced radar system in Mongolia to watch China's military movements.
All of these foreign projects are very dangerous for our country, and absolutely are undependable, because our country was sieged by two big powers, and if they see us as a big threst, that would be a disaster for Mongolia.
My plan is to build our army outside of Mongolia, and affiliated to USA temporarily. We must catch this hard-find opportunity to rebuild our Great Mongol Army. Recently, American council is debating the date to withdraw their army from Iraq, and uncertain that whether adopt military campaign to disarm N Korea and Iran or not. I personally think that America will give up those military campaigns as a result of strong domestic opposition. So why our Mongolia can't do those things for Americans!?
If we solve someone whom America want to eliminate, we will get a huge benefit from it. Iran has oil, and N Korea has seaport. And America must give us some excellent seaports or important islands, and then we can transform it into military or commercial use, and don't need to considere Sino-Russian's threat anymore!
In short, we can build one or more provinces outside of Mongolia.

Dude, you were a pro-Chinese nationalist not too long ago. What's up with this sudden reversal?

Hmmm... if we can gain/purchase land outside of Mongolia - that's a good plan

Dude you are right! I,m a pro-Chinese Mongolia nationalist. And I respect Chairman Mao very much, because he gave poor ppl justice and youth opportunity to present warrior spirit in the battle field. My Mom's father once fought in Korean war as a general, and punched strong USA army on the ground.
But My Mother land is Mongolia, and Mao has dead for more than 30 years. Nevertheless, Mao can't compare with Genghis Khan in my heart for ever.
And dude, don't call my pro-Chinese. I don't want to hurt you. I respect everybody regardless of his race who give me opportunity to kill strong enemies in the battlefield.

You just wrote that you're pro-Chinese. You're either contradicting yourself or you need to elaborate further.

Btw, I'm a Buzava-Kalmyk Cossack/Dzungar/Oirat warrior. I'm not afraid of anyone.

You can call me whatever you like!

BTW, If you are a warrior of trusty, why don't join my group and go abroad and then build a Mongol army.

dude, i can see the mongolism has gotten into your brain

Hello kalmik brother.Nice to see you here.
Can u send to me anything about kalmik naimans?
Xalmgud dotor naimanuud kher olon baidag ve?
Bas jalairuud baidag uu?

Mongolia is in a very weak position:

1) It has a tiny population, but a wide area of land to defend.
2) It has a very small economy and budget.
3) It is flanked on both sides by hugely powerful nations (Russia and China.)

Israel gets much of it's military aid from the United States and many countries of the EU but Israel is pretty impressive when it comes to training their soldiers, I heard the average Israeli soldier is better trained and can fight better than the average American Army soldier, especially in CQC (close quarters combat), Israeli martials arts Krav Maga is a very contemporary form of martial arts but quite hardcore and deadly from what I've read about it. Israeli have to be well trained since they're surrounded by countries that have historically despise them. (Egypt, Syria, Jordan, ext)

anyways...

Mongolia wouldn't exactly be the Israel of the east but Mongolia could develop their lands for manufacturing plants from Chinese companies or irrigate the dry part of their lands for some highly profitable agricultural goods or really capitalize on it's coal and other mineral production and then it would have the money to pay for some of it's military. I could see Mongolian soldiers wear some of China's surplus camouflage or carry some QBZ-95 Automatic rifles.

http://www.enemyforces.com/firearms/qbz95_3.jpg

It would be wise for China to sell some of their dated Soviet tanks such as their T-72s. China won't need any more Soviet armor since they're already making their own models, such as the Type-98/99.

However, Mongolia is surrounded by friendly neighbors that mean no harm to Mongolia so a defense build-up wouldn't be necessary.

Very much agreed. Isreal is not the good example for Mongolia, but countries like Sweden & Swissland are. So education shall be the 1st priority. Although she is land locked, it has all kind of the advantages, such as land, resources, strategic location, non hostile neighbors w/ huge market. Its people eager to success probably is another factor.

Mendyt Aza,

Prior to their tragic return to Dzungaria in January 1771, the Kalmyk nation was comprised of the following five major tribes:

(1) Torghut - from Kerait
(2) Dorbet - from Naiman
(3) Khoshut - from Eastern Mongol
(4) Dzungar (Choros, Dorbet, Khoit, Torghut, Khoshut, Uranhai,, Telenguet, etc.) - Primarily from Naiman
(5) Buzava - Primarily from Dorbet

In January 1771, the majority of the Torghut, Khoshut and Dzungar tribes migrated back to Dzungaria to reclaim the pastures and to rebuild the Khanate. The majority didn't make it to Dzungaria and were killed, captured, enslaved or simply lost. I believe their descendents along with the descendents of many of the Dzungars now live as Kazakh and Kirghiz Muslims.

Those who remained behind in Europe rebelled against Catherine the Great. As punishment, the Kalmyk Khanate was abolished and hereditary authority (actually nominal authority since the Russians were in control) of the Kalmyk people was passed from the Torghut nobility to the Dorbet nobility.

The Dorbets were divided into three administrative units based on location:

(1) Ike Dorbet - Stavropol region
(2) Baga Dorbet - Astrakhan region
(3) Buzava - Rostov region

The Buzava were further divided into 13 zuun (clans):

(1) Ike Burla
(2) Baga Burla
(3) Tsavd
(4) Bogsarankin
(5) Torkmud
(6) Kuvud
(7) Chonus
(8) Dzungar
(9) Erketen
(10) Bembedankin
(11) Bazud
(12) Bileve
(13) Baldir

The yasn of the Buzava are too numerous to name. I don't think most people today don't know their yasn. Clan affiliation appears to be more important.

The history books claim the Choros, Dorbet and Khoit tribes are descended from the Naiman. I believe the Burla are a Dorbet sub-tribe but my ancestors are Kerait. Go figure...

Yeah Mongolia needs to just go with the flow, playing off Russia and China while securing benefits from Japan, South Korea and the United States. It would help if the population increased at least fourfold to 20-24 million people. That would give the country a fairly decent labor pool.

A little bit of militarization wouldn't be so bad for Mongolia, if I were the PRC, I would some older T-72 tanks or maybe some T-80 tanks and J-8 fighter planes to Mongolia and maybe give some new QBZ-95 assault rifles for the Mongolians to equipt some of their soldiers with.

The devil is in the details, huh? Keep fantasizing.

The list of my Army.
1. 1000 Leopard-2A6 main battle tanks. And a strong group of engineers for sustaining and repairment.
2. 100 F-22 jets, and 500 F-35 jets, 10 E3A alarming systems. and it's sustaining system.
3.10 B1-B Bombers. and 3-B-2 bombers(with nuclear missiles)' http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/.../b1b/b1b_en.htm
http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/...2_spirit_en.htm
4.50 C-141B Star lifters. http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/...141/c141_en.htm
5. 100 A-10 assault aircraft. http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/...bolt/a10_en.htm
6. 5 AC-130H/U Spectre. http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/...h/ac130h_en.htm
7. 20 Grumman EF-111A Raven. http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/...11/ef111_en.htm
8. 300 Boeing CH-46D/E Sea Knight. http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/...h46/ch46_en.htm
9. 500 Bell AH-1 HueyCobra/AH-1J SeaCobra. http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/.../ah1/ah1_en.htm
200 McDonnell Douglas AH-64 Apache. http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/...h64/ah64_en.htm
10. 500 Sikorsky SH-60B Seahawk. http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/...h60/sh60_en.htm
11. 50 Boeing CH-47 Chinook. http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/...h47/ch47_en.htm
12 . 6 Ballistic Missile Submarines - SSBN . http://www.military.cz/usa/navy/uss/submar.../ballist_en.htm
13. 2 carriers. and it's fleet.(American standard)
14. a complete canon system of American standard.
15. An advanced nuclear system( ground, air, and submarine).

Hehe, nice list there but I think Mongolia would probably use Chinese or Russian weapons rather than the American, EU or NATO weapons you've listed...unless if it's for something else not related to the topic.

Frankly speaking, only idiot waste on those Sino-Rus rubbish! Pls face the strong reality that one F-22 can shoot down at least 100 Su-27 of latest version.
If I have a Mongol army around 300,000 soldiers with my listed weapons. I can defeat and disarm or conquer any single military power within 1 months(except America, my great ally).

If I have a tiny land outside of asian continent, I will adopt the economic pattern(regulated economy) of Chairman Mao's China. My reason will be presented as follow.
Regulated economy is very effective for a small country who has ambition to build himself as a huge Military, economic and industrial power. Although I ,m a lover of Mao's China, I will explain my blueprint via Third Reich experience.( I have to make it clearly that I strongly oppose Nazi's bloody purge on Jews and their over-killing on other races, nevertheless, their economic development is very successful and highly effective.). In fact, Hitler not only rebuilt Germany after WW1 but also made Germany as second largest industrial and economic power only to America.

http://www.shirleylauro.com/work1.htm
http://www.cnbruce.com/blog/showlog.asp?ca...&log_id=683
http://www.emule.com.cn/html/27689.html
My essay is too long to be finished today. I will spend one week to finish it up.

wow...you're weird. excuse for my rather rude response. but........oh well....

I have to make it clearly that I ,m neither a Nazi supporter nor Racism. I ,m just interested in it's economic system, and military development.[color="#FF0000"][/color]

Hello everybody here! You must have noticed pics attached above, and you certainly found some similarities between Mao's China and The Third Reich. I don't mean there exists some kind of connection between them, but both of them show the effectiveness of regulated economy, and importance of revolution!
After WW1 , germany was sunk into the abysm by allied forces. At that time, people , certainly include German themselves, lost confidence on this nation. United nation deprived of their rights to build a considerable army, and put sanction on it's economic development. Since Hitler step up to the historical stage, he changed everything and nominated many a excellent Economic Experts who not only revived Germany, but also rebuilt it as the second strongest nation only second to USA.
The growth of German economy in 1930s: Caption: A picture of German economic life in 1930: Each column shows a branch of the German economy, The figure to the left shows the total number of companies. The number of Jewish firms is shown by the black bar, the non-Jewish by the white bar. When one remembers that according to the 1925 census there were "only" about 555,000 religious Jews in Germany--which means by a generous estimate no more than a million Jews by blood in 1930, there are 60 to 100 Germans for each Jew. This makes clear what it means when, for example, up to 60% of the German economy is led by Jews.(CHART: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...t/eternal7.jpg)

This is the comprehensive analysis on The 3rd Reich's economic development.
German Economy in the 1920s



There were several characteristics which Germany possessed after the First World War which made them vulnerable to being manipulated by someone like Adolf Hitler. As in most nations, the economic factors of the time play a significant role in determining how a society will behave. Germany was economically devastated after a draining defeat in World War I. Due to the Versailles treaty, Germany was forced to pay incredibly sizeable reparations to France and Great Britain. In addition, the Versailles treaty, which many agreed was far too harsh, forced Germany to give up thirteen percent of its land.
At first Germany tried to recover from the war by way of social spending. Germany began creating transportation projects, modernization of power plants and gas works. These were all used to battle the increasing unemployment rate. Social spending was rising at an unbelievable rate. In 1913 the government was spending approximately 20.5 per resident; by 1925 it had risen to almost 65 marks per resident and finally in 1929 it reached over one hundred marks per resident. The elevating amounts of money which were used for social spending combined with plummeting revenues caused continuing deficits. Eventually the municipal finance collapsed in 1930. Although it seemed as if the collapse was due to debt, in actuality ordinary budgets were the reason for the initial collapse. Municipal officials and politicians were unable to restore order to the budgets. Further adding to Germany's economic problems, the revenue from income tax began to fall. In 1913, over fifty three percent of all tax revenues was from income, but in 1925, it dropped down to 28%. As the returns on income taxes decreased, the government began to depend much more on state trade and property tax. The government also became highly dependent on the profits made from municipal utilities, such as electric power plants.

Even with all of Germany's economic shortcomings, it could have still been possible to make reparation payments if foreign countries had not placed protective tariffs on Germany's goods. With the income Germany could have gained by selling goods in foreign countries, for relatively low prices, reparation payments could have become feasible. The protective tariffs made this idea impossible and further depressed the German economy. Faced with reparation payments they could not afford, Germany began printing exaggerated amounts of money. This threw Germany into a state of super inflation. Inflation reached the point where millions of marks were worthless. Cartoons of the time depicted people with wheelbarrows full of money who could not buy a loaf of bread. "With the approach of world crisis foreign lenders withdrew capital and markets further closed against German imports" (Sweezy 8). The United States was an extremely significant example of this. When the U.S. was hit by the great depression they immediately sought to get the loans, which they had made to German, paid back. This, in addition to all of Germany's other problems, practically caused the German economy to collapse.

With Germany at its weakest and most vulnerable point, Hitler took the opportunity to begin his ascent to power. Even to this date, in a country as diverse and liberally minded as the United States, when the economy is down people desire somewhere to place the blame. For example, the current use of illegal immigrants from Mexico as scapegoats for economic hardships. In Germany, Hitler used the Jewish people as a scapegoat for all of Germany's problems. With disproportional numbers of wealthy Jewish business owners, Hitler convinced much of Germany that the Jews were to blame for the poor economic state.

Hitler had two significant ideas that helped launch him in to power. He had someone to blame for the economy and he had a plan for a swift economic recovery. Hitler outlined a plan where in four years he would completely eliminate unemployment throughout Germany. Even though his plan was a plan that would not raise the level of income for the enrichment of the people but an economic plan for military strength and victory the German people were eager to see any economic success. Hitler used an extremely detail and well-organized plan for economic revitalization. Through his method, Hitler was able to keep his promise of economic growth and begin his climb to power.

The grand archievement of Nazi economy

The idea of “The People’s Car” (Volkswagen translated literally) wasn’t a new one at the turn of the 20th century. Before the 1930’s, many of the early automobile manufacturers strived to develop a car that was affordable to the masses. But none found success. Designed as simple as the manufacturers could make them, the cars still ended up costing more than a year’s wages for the average worker.

That is until 1930 when Ferdinand Porsche created the automotive design company known as the Porsche Büro. Porsche and his newly founded company were pivotal in revolutionary design and engineering developments in the automotive industry. In 1931 Ferdinand began his pet project, the Type 12, which was the predecessor to the car that would become known as the Beetle or “Käfer”. The Type 12 was a streamlined 2 door sedan designed for a German motorcycle company named Zündapp. However indecision over what engine to place inside of it ended its life prematurely. Zündapp wanted to put one of their 1.2l motorcycle engines inside of the Type 12, but it seems Porsche wasn’t having that and development on the Type 12 ended there.

In 1933, Adolf Hitler met with Ferdinand Porsche to discuss their mutual interest in an affordable car for the masses, and thus began what some call darker times in Volkswagen’s history. It was through this partnership that Volkswagen found itself at the service of the Nazi war machine in the coming years. More on that later in our series.

Hitler wanted a car that would provide better fuel economy (33mpg), could carry up to 5 passengers, be able to reach speeds in excess of 60mph, yet cost only 1,000 Reich Marks. This first model born of Hitler’s and Porsche’s partnership was designated the Type 60, but soon after was changed to the V1, or experimental 1. Hitler also proposed a convertible version, designated V2, but impossibly tight production deadlines prevented Porsche from being able to design and build the cars in time. By 1935, the first cars were built, and soon after the V1 design was updated. Named the VW3, this new design looked very similar to the KdF Wagen (Kraft durch Freude, or strength through joy) which would come along a few years later.

The VW3 carried many new engineering developments to the forefront, including metal floors, swing axle rear transmissions, Porsche’s famous front independent suspension, and backbone floorpans. Though many different engine types were tested in the VW3, Hitler and Porsche settled on an aircooled flat four cylinder four stroke engine.

This engine choice proved to be a good one since it turned out to be cheaper and more reliable than others that were tested. Putting out 22.5 hp, this little four cylinder “boxer” engine was almost identical to the one that is found in the iconic Volkswagen Beetle of today. (Not the New Beetle, of course, but the classic Beetle.)

Speaking of icons, Erwin Komenda, Porsche’s chief designer, created the distinctive round shape that is so familiar today. It was one of the first vehicles to be designed with the aid of a wind tunnel.

Hitler conceived a savings scheme for purchasing the car as well: “Fünf Mark die Woche mußt Du sparen, willst Du im eigenen Wagen fahren” — “Save five Marks a week, if you desire to drive your own car”. Around 336,000 people bought into this scheme, and Volkswagen did honor the savings agreements, but only after World War II. Ford conducted a similar coupon savings system but did not follow through on its agreement.

In 1938, construction began on Volkswagen’s first factory in the town of KdF-Staft, now known as Wolfsburg. Only a few cars were produced before war started in 1939, and none of those were actually delivered to those who had completed their savings stamp books, save one Type 3 Cabriolet given to Hitler for his 50th birthday.

With war on the horizon, production turned towards two military vehicles: the Type 81 Kübelwagen utility vehicle and the amphibious Schwimmwagen. And with the dawn of world war, we wrap up the first part in our series on the History of the People’s Car. Stay tuned for Part 2!

Volkswagen: History of The People’s Car Part 1
May 8th, 2006 in Volkswagen History, Featured by Dax

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2 Comments for Volkswagen: History of The People’s Car Part 1
Bill Jorns on October 5th, 2006 at 3:31 am says:

Hitler didn’t meet with Porsche until 1934. On January 17 of that year, Porsche sent a lengthy memorandum (called an “Expose”) to the German Government’s Transport Ministry, spelling out the specifications of a small car ideal for sale to the masses. Hitler read it, and in May of that year, he summoned Porsche to a meeting in the Kaiserhof Hotel in Berlin to discuss his memorandum and the possibility of building such a car for Germany. The details were worked out in a series of meetings, and an agreement was reached. On June 22, 1934, a contract was signed by Porsche in which he agreed to develop a small car for the average German worker under the supervision of the German Automobile Industry Association – RDA, or Reichsverband der deutschen Automobilindustrie. The initial contract gave Porsche only ten months in which to design and test a car that would sell for 900 marks. Porsche was to build three prototypes for testing. Working out of the garage at Porsche’s home on Stuttgart’s Killesberg, Porsche and his staff began designing and assembling the cars.
This design and testing work was to last four years before Porsche arrived at his final design, which looks a lot like the VW Beetles sold during the 1950’s. The RDA hoped that the ten-month limit on Porsche’s original contract would kill the project (they didn’t want the competition this car would bring), but Hitler insisted they extend the contract to give Porsche more time. Also, the cars you describe Porsche as building in 1935 (Type60/V1, V2, VW3) were only prototypes - no civilian VWs rolled off the assembly line in Wolfsburg until after the end of World War II (Most of the vehicles produced there from 1940 to 1945 were the Kubelwagens and Schwimmvagens).

Economic practice
Nazi economic practice concerned itself with immediate domestic issues and separately with ideological conceptions of international economics.

Domestic economic policy was narrowly concerned with three major goals:

Elimination of unemployment
Elimination of hyperinflation
Expansion of production of consumer goods to improve middle- and lower-class living standards.
All of these policy goals were intended to address the perceived shortcomings of the Weimar Republic and to solidify domestic support for the party. In this, the party was very successful. Between 1933 and 1936 the German GNP increased by an average annual rate of 9.5 percent, and the rate for industry alone rose by 17.2 percent.

This expansion propelled the German economy out of a deep depression and into full employment in less than four years. Public consumption during the same period increased by 18.7%, while private consumption increased by 3.6% annually. However, as this production was primarily consumptive rather than productive (make-work projects, expansion of the war-fighting machine, initiation of conscription to remove working age males from the labor force), inflationary pressures began to rear their head again, although not to the highs of the Weimar Republic. These economic pressures, combined with the war-fighting machine created in the expansion (and concomitant pressures for its use), has led some to conclude that a European war was inevitable. (See Causes of war.)

Some economists argue that the expansion of the German economy between 1933 and 1936 was not the result of the Nazi party, but rather the consequence of economic policies of the late Weimar Republic which had begun to have an effect. In addition, it has been pointed out that while it is often popularly believed that the Nazis ended hyperinflation, that the end of hyperinflation preceded the Nazis by several years.

Internationally, the Nazi party believed that an international banking cabal was behind the global depression of the 1930s. The control of this cabal was identified with the ethnic group known as Jews, providing another link in their ideological motivation for the destruction of that group in the Holocaust. However, broadly speaking, the existence of large international banking or merchant banking organizations was well known at this time. Many of these banking organizations were able to exert influence upon nation states by extension or withholding of credit. This influence is not limited to the small states that preceded the creation of the German Empire as a nation state in the 1870s, but is noted in most major histories of all European powers from the 16th century onward.

It is important to note that the Nazi Party's conception of international economics was very limited. As the National Socialist in the name NSDAP suggests, the party's primary motivation was to incorporate previously international resources into the Reich by force, rather than by trade (compare to the international socialism as practiced by the Soviet Union and the COMECON trade organization). This made international economic theory a supporting factor in the political ideology rather than a core plank of the platform as it is in most modern political parties.

In an economic sense, Nazism and Fascism are related. Nazism shares many economic features with Fascism, featuring complete government control of finance and investment (allocation of credit), industry, and agriculture. Yet in both of these systems, corporate power and market based systems for providing price information still existed.

Rather than the state requiring goods from industrial enterprises and allocating raw materials required for their production (as in socialist/communist systems), the state paid for these goods. This allows price to play an essential role in providing information as to relative scarcity of materials, or the capital requirements in technology or labor (including education, as in skilled labor) inputs to produce a manufactured good. Additionally, the unionist (strictly speaking, syndicalist) veneer placed on corporate labor relations was another major point of agreement. Both the German and Italian fascist political parties began as unionist labor movements, and grew into totalitarian dictatorships. This idea was maintained throughout their time in power, with state control used as a means to eliminate the assumed conflict between management labor relations

Chinese economy in Mao's time have many similarities with Geman's of 30s.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/...ges/dfh-1-1.jpg
Chinese red flag sedan made in Mao's time. that means China have it's basic industry which is imaginable before.
http://www.chinabob.com/bob_mace_and_his_car.htm
http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/documen...41170064752.jpg
Chinese nuclear test in Mao's time( http://www.atomicarchive.com/History/coldwar/p12_image.shtml )in fact Chinese prople met same sanction and difficulty that German met in 1927. But Mao led his ppl to the glourious age. They build a complete industrial and economic system and a huge army.

Ok, I have writed too much today!
I think regulated economy is fit for Mongolia. It can eliminate corruption, and centralise money to the important project. Regulated economy can't do effectively forever, but it's a good choice for Mongolia today.
I sincerely hope that Mongolian elites can gather together and make my homeland strong via proper economic system.
All in all, strong military power is the guarantee of my Mongolia and it's economy.

See you tommorrow. I wll do on my point of view.

Any and all fighters are naturally limited by how much weaponry they can carry, in particular, air-to-air missiles. One computer simulation study by the Brits suggests the Raptor has a 10:1 advantage over the Su-30. In every aerial combat simulation, the Raptor has come out on top, and basically unscathed. But these were typically like one F-22 vs four F-15's, or two F-22's vs ten F-18's and so on.

Lasers and other directed energy weapons are in theory unlimited in the number of times they can be fired. But such weaponry is still in development, albeit in advanced stages of the first generation. Thus far, they can only fit inside of a thoroughly gutted Boeing 747.

F-22s are expensive, VERY expensive, with limited stealth capability as well

The technological advantage in terms of countermeasures against radar/heat, including the E.C.M. system - and missile technology - is what gives the Americans advantage in their air-power. Hell they're even developing missiles that can make a close 180 - if they haven't already.

But who cares - its just way too expensive - rather just focus on researching new anti-air technology and stick to ground maneuvers. Trained and well-equipped infantry can easily take care of rotary wing aircraft at a huge fraction of the cost, with natural stealth using tunnels and hidden bunkers. Tanks are getting outdated as they are already sufficient modern anti-tank weaponry which can allow a single squad of soldiers to take out an armored platoon - as long as sufficient infantry tactics are employed.

I reckon research on longer range anti-air, better detection and better missile systems. If you want bombardment, rely on artillery - you can't shoot down artillery shells... yet.

Are you for real? 7/8 of the G8 nations can not afford this army!!!!!

How about Hainan island? Perhaps Mongol warrior can gather up some of his Mongolian buddies, plan a coup d'etat, overthrow the local Hainanese government and then declare the secession of Southern Outer Mongolia?

I have said that I want to build my army outide of Asian continent!

Yall think its all about muscle here these days, get da f outta heeeere!! ahahahaha

Ever know the story about the fall of the Roman Empire, or seen the Godfather! These organizations always fall! These days, it ain't all about muscle, hahaha.

Pls don't relate my words to China. It's Mongolian's national affair, there is no relation to China ,and this not you Chinese business. So just care about your business Chinese.
coup d'etat? Whose coup d'etat?
You mean Chinese one? no, I,m Mongolian. Mongolia is my motherland! I,m a Mongolian coup d'etat who want to lead motherland to right path, and renuild Mongolia as a strong and peaceful international power.
I understand your feeling, Chinese friend! China is our neighboring country and close friend in business and education. Further more Mongolia is a good partner in military as well as scientfic spheres and so on, for Chinese. There is no good for us to fight against each other. But the premise is that you must respect us.