Practice democracy on AF! Until recently, I didn't know that a Malay could not declare apostasy without the interference of the Malaysian Government . Do you agree on letting things the way it is right now, or do you want to have a change? Give us your opinion and reasonings!

The UMNO won’t allow the freedom of faith among Malays happen because this will crash the unity of Malays. if it’s really happen someday, there will be 2 team in UMNO, Kafir Malays and Muslim Malays.

Then, the Muslim Malays cannot sleep sweetly whole the life because the kafir Malays will be stronger than them becausethe Malaysian Chinese will ensure to support the Kafir Malays.

Religion is preached by wize men for the guidence of fools!!!!
Religion is just another form of neurosis.....

Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit .......

please think first before u wrote anything.. ure being stupid with ur nonsense views..

in islamic laws the govt should take responsibility to take measures in case of apostasy..

what is "kafir" malay?

So politic and faith is different, that is why government should not interfere

Why only the Malays and why only Islam, anyway?

I said let Malays decided what best for them. And they already decided right know.

Beacause Islam is the best religion in the world

i say.. when someone found the right path.. why should one go to the other way around? i really like to know the reason for their action..

how bout if someone who not moslem wanna be a moslem? did your government not allow him/her?

I find your feeling for you religion's superiority is very funny. I bet you would feel a different way if, for example, a Jew wanted to convert to Islam but was prevented by his government.

If you really believe 99.999% of Muslim Malays in Malaysia strongly believe in Islam, then it shouldn't be a problem if the government let go of its grip on the matter, 'cos no matter what happened, they would surely never abandon their one and only true religion. But in reality, your government had to resort to forcing people to stay wish Islam. I think you and your government are actually not that confident, that's why you decided to side with status quo. So sad.

If we turn to the Qur`an and authentic ahadith after freeing ourselves from the extraneous influences, the situation becomes crystal clear: there is no legal punishment for apostasy in Islam, whether death or any other. The Qur`an and authentic ahadith teach us to treat apostates like other kuffar, whose treatment varies from kindness to killing depending on the circumstances and on the degree of hostility they show towards Islam and Muslims. I will insha allah present evidence for this view in two parts. In this first part, I will insha allah show that the death penalty or any other legal punishment for apostasy is contrary to the Qur`an. And in the second part I examine the ahadith about apostasy and show with God’s permission that those ahadith that prescribe the death penalty do not come from the mouth of our and God’s beloved Prophet (may God bless and honor him evermore).

Freedom of belief, choice, and expression have been recognized in Islam as the basic rights of an individual within the boundary of responsibility, which in turn safeguards those freedoms and the rights of others. The flagrant lack of this responsibility is manifested by the atrocities, killings, destruction, double standards and profiteering on the backs of the voiceless and underprivileged. The world is getting very uncivilized in the warfare that destroys our very humanness, our dignity, our relationships, and our future generations. Today people misuse their freedom by enforcing their style on others. Even to the point of denying nations the right to be free. Similarly, some Muslims have taken Quranic verses out of context and have come to irrational conclusions calling for the death of the Afghani man.

Apostasy is mentioned in the Qur'an in 13 verses in different chapters, but there is no mention of according punishment in this life. Similar incidents occurred at the time of Prophet Muhammad, but no one was sentenced to death for converting out of Islam. Complex issues such as this require a thorough and unbiased review of the Corpus of Islamic law. "To you be your religion and to me religion" (Quran 109:6) Nicely encapsulates Islam's stance.

I'm with you here. This is a case of identity insecurity of the Malays in Malaysia. Perhaps since they are very narrowly a majority in their own country, they have to impose a very unusual rule on what constitute to be a Malay, in this case, a Muslim. That is why when Lina Joy, a true blue Malay, converted to Christianity, uproars ensues. What is she now then? an ex-Malay? Is that even logically possible?
I know that a lot of (Muslim) Javanese migrants settle in Johor and Minangs in Negeri 9 etc they officially became a 'Malay' but what if there is a community of Protestant Bataks or Catholic Javanese there, would they still be consider 'Malay'?

I'd say, since the Malays want their lives to be governed by religious law, so be it. Since it seems very important for them. Just dont ever impose Islamic laws on non-muslims. We do not want any of this. Thank u.

Malay is the only race who embrace no other religion than Islam? What are the thousands of Indonesians and Filipinos who are non-Muslims to you? Aren't they Austronesians too?

And don't you think it's wrong to impose law based on pride? That's how Nazi was formed, you know..... and you know what disgusting bunch of people they were (and still are). You can't tell people what to do or not to do based on your pride, that'd be stupid.

Maybe you want to do it for the glory of Islam, but believe me, you guys actually give Islam a bad name in international world by doing so. If you really want to improve the image of Islam in the world, rather than showing your insecurities, you should show the tolerant side of Islam.

Malay is the only race who embrace no other religion than Islam? What are the thousands of Indonesians and Filipinos who are non-Muslims to you? Aren't they Austronesians too?

And don't you think it's wrong to impose law based on pride? That's how Nazi was formed, you know..... and you know what disgusting bunch of people they were (and still are). You can't tell people what to do or not to do based on your pride, that'd be stupid.

Maybe you want to do it for the glory of Islam, but believe me, you guys actually give Islam a bad name in international world by doing so. If you really want to improve the image of Islam in the world, rather than showing your insecurities, you should show the tolerant side of Islam.

Malay is the only race who embrace no other religion than Islam? What are the thousands of Indonesians and Filipinos who are non-Muslims to you? Aren't they Austronesians too?

And don't you think it's wrong to impose law based on pride? That's how Nazi was formed, you know..... and you know what disgusting bunch of people they were (and still are). You can't tell people what to do or not to do based on your pride, that'd be stupid.

Maybe you want to do it for the glory of Islam, but believe me, you guys actually give Islam a bad name in international world by doing so. If you really want to improve the image of Islam in the world, rather than showing your insecurities, you should show the tolerant side of Islam.

In general i don't think the moderate Malays would like to be governed by islamic laws and infact a number of them don't even want to muslims if given a choice.

Guys, this topic should just be posted in MY Serious Talk sub-forum ... not here.

Seriously though, bound by Constitution, Malays MUST BE MUSLIMS. No other way around it. Don't like it, than complain all you want ... don't change a jack at all.

If a Malay wants to become non-Muslim, packs up, & leave Malaysia for good. Nobody gonna stop 'em.

Both Islam & Malay identity in Malaysia is inseparable. Don't give any jingoistic brouhaha, for the matter is FINAL.