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Man who returns home for good


Nguyen Chanh Khe, a Vietnamese American scientist responsible for many patents and inventions, has returned to Vietnam, wishing to contribute something to the land where he was born and grew up.

In 1971, Khe went to Japan to study and gained a Ph.D. degree in material and information processing at the Tokyo University of Industry. With 35 patents in America, 30 others in Japan, and many inventions, he was known to big corporations like Hewlett-Packard, Eastman Kodak, Intel, Motorola, Rocoh and Dainippon Ink and Chemicals.

Despite having lived overseas for nearly three decades, Khe always thought of his homeland and wished to contribute something to its development.

"I worked in high-tech for many years in Japan and America. I have many inventions and patents, but I sometimes thought I should do something for my home country. Now I want to do something for my homeland", the 52-year-old scientist said.

With this dream, Khe refused a well-paid job at the Silicon Valley in California and returned to Vietnam in 2002 to work at the Saigon High-Tech Park in HCM City. To many people, it was a great sacrifice, but to Khe, his decision was quite simple.

"I’ve grown up in my family, my homeland and my country. I want to use the experience and knowledge gained abroad to contribute to the development of my country", he said.

Since 1993, Khe has returned to Vietnam regularly to engage in activities to support scientific research, education and training. He is currently director of the Saigon High-Tech Park’s research and development centre. In this position, he hopes he will be able to fulfil a lofty dream. He wants to help Vietnam create and master source technologies.

Khe said, "Foreign investors have introduced modern technologies into Vietnam since the country adopted the Doi Moi (Renewal) policy. However, these technologies, such as nanotechnology, are foreign made. I want to develop some related technologies, especially the nano, and make them the source technologies of Vietnam".

"Vietnam must have source technologies, which are essential to boost the development of science and technology and to earn money for the country."

With this great ambition, Khe took up a job at the Saigon High-Tech Park, hoping that it could successfully develop source technologies with local materials to attract investors.

"I hope that over the next seven to 10 years, the park will be able to create technologies that can earn a place in the international technology market", Khe said.

Late last year, Khe successfully developed liquid nano carbon, a technological achievement that will enable Vietnam to enter the field of manufacturing microcircuit boards for computers and semiconductors. In particular, Khe and his colleagues produced liquid nano carbon from materials available in Vietnam, such as coal, coconut oil and charcoal.

Thanks to the invention, the price of the carbon nano tube produced from liquid nano carbon can be 10 times cheaper than previously produced from plasma, which costs US$350 per gram. The material is now used to produce four-colour ink at Saigon High-Teck Park at half of the cost of imports.

Khe plans to embark on other projects such as printing circuit boards without using masks, applying the carbon nano tube in the semiconductor industry, and laser technology in telecommunications.

Khe is now a ‘genuine’ Vietnamese citizen. He has bought a house with his residence book in District 2, HCM City.

"Vietnam is really my home country now".

Saigon Times


Quê hương là thiên đường để trở về

Tiến sĩ Nguyễn Chánh Khê user posted image

Tiến sĩ Nguyễn Chánh Khê - người được xem là "Con gà đẻ trứng vàng" cho các tập đoàn lớn tại Mỹ - đă quyết định hồi hương năm 2002. Sau 20 năm ở nước ngoài, anh đă có 30 phát minh, sáng chế khoa học tại Nhật và 36 phát minh tại Mỹ, đem lại những hiệu quả khoa học và ứng dụng kinh tế to lớn trong lĩnh vực máy tính, máy photocopy... Và cuối cùng, anh đă thực hiện được điều trăn trở lớn nhất trong ḿnh: trở về quê hương để xây dựng Tổ Quốc.


Con người của khoa học

19 tuổi, Nguyễn Chánh Khê sang Nhật học tại trường Đại học Đông Kinh Công nghiệp Tokyo. Ban đầu, anh theo học ngành Công nghệ sinh học rồi chuyển sang lĩnh vực Vật liệu xử lư thông tin. Phát minh đầu tiên cũng là luận án thạc sĩ của anh là "Vật liệu cảm quang" dùng trong máy photocopy.

Ngay phát minh đầu tiên, tên tuổi của nhà khoa học trẻ đă được các công ty lớn của Nhật "săn lùng". Phát minh của anh sớm được ứng dụng và giải quyết việc làm cho cả một miền quê của Nhật Bản. Ngay sau đó, Công ty Dai Nippon Ink, công ty lớn nhất ngành in của Nhật Bản mời anh làm việc. Tại đây, anh tiếp tục cho ra phát minh chất quang dẫn hữu cơ cực tính dùng để sản xuất máy photocopy xách tay mà lúc bấy giờ thế giới chưa có. Đây là loại máy photocopy không dây, không gây ô nhiễm môi trường.


user posted image Các bằng phát minh khoa học của tiến sĩ Chánh Khê tại Mỹ.


Năm 1985, Nguyễn Chánh Khê sang Mỹ báo cáo khoa học và được nhiều công ty lớn quan tâm đến đề tài của anh. Họ mời anh sang Mỹ làm việc để chế tạo những bản cảm quang nhạy nhất thế giới.

Ngay lúc đó, Nguyễn Chánh Khê đă đưa ra được nguyên tắc mà sau này trở thành phổ biến trong các loại máy photocopy và máy in laser. Đó là làm phim điện tử bằng phương pháp dùng ánh sáng và điện trường tạo ra điện tích trong vật liệu bán dẫn hữu cơ. Từ những h́nh ảnh không thấy được ta sẽ dùng mực để làm ra ảnh. Từ đó trung b́nh mỗi năm anh có hai phát minh khoa học có giá trị quốc tế.

Khi làm việc tại pḥng thí nghiệm của Kodak, anh lại phát minh ra cách dùng muối ăn chế tạo hạt nano có kích thước cực nhỏ chuyển hóa quang điện cực cao để chế tạo ra máy in màu laser nhanh nhất thế giới. Phát minh này có ư nghĩa vô cùng quan trọng bởi muối ăn rất rẻ nhưng giúp cho tăng nhanh tốc độ in bốn màu lên đến 23 trang/phút.

Sau đó hăng HP (Hewlett Packard) rất nổi tiếng về công nghệ in ấn mời tiến sĩ Khê về giữ cương vị khoa học gia chủ nhiệm, chức vụ cao nhất của bộ phận nghiên cứu của hăng thuộc Trung tâm Nghiên cứu tổng hợp tại Thung lũng Silicon ở Califonia. Anh đă nghiên cứu làm ra hạt mực ướt dùng để làm ảnh rất mịn và cùng hăng HP áp dụng những kiến thức cơ bản về vật liệu để đưa ra các phát minh mới về in phun. Từ đó, t́nh cờ anh phát minh ra vật liệu mới là than nano và hàng loạt phát minh mới cứ thế lần lượt ra đời.

Băn khoăn một nỗi ḷng

Tại Mỹ, Tiến sĩ Nguyễn Chánh Khê luôn được các công ty, tập đoàn hàng đầu "săn đón" bởi những cống hiến khoa học và công nghệ của anh đem lại siêu lợi nhuận. Khi đó, anh cảm thấy rất tự tin có thể tạo được những đột phá khoa học gây được sự quan tâm rộng răi đối với các đồng nghiệp trên thế giới. Tuy nhiên có một điều nằm sâu trong tiềm thức của trái tim đă bắt đầu thúc giục anh: "Phải làm ǵ đó thiết thực cho quê hương ḿnh".

Năm 1982, Tiến sĩ Khê bắt đầu những chuyến về nước cùng cácnhà khoa học mở các cuộc hội thảo khoa học để phổ biến kiến thức khoa học và công nghệ cao cho trí thức trong nước. Anh bắt đầu những công tŕnh trợ giúp những chuyên đề khoa học cho Viện Khoa học Việt Nam, hướng dẫn đề tài nghiên cứu cho các trường, Viện trong nước. Chuyển hàng ngàn USD về nước làm học bổng cho sinh viên Đại học Cần Thơ... Tuy nhiên, chưa một thành tựu nào hoàn hảo theo ư muốn của tiến sĩ.

Anh luôn trăn trở về những công tŕnh không trọn vẹn này và quyết định trở về nước làm việc vào năm 2002.

"Lúc ấy anh có ngại những rào cản trong nước sẽ hạn chế sức làm việc và những đam mê nghiên cứu khoa học của ḿnh?". Tiến sĩ Nguyễn Chánh Khê trả lời: "Tôi có suy nghĩ đến điều ấy và nhiều người cũng bảo với tôi như thế. Điều kiện làm việc ở Việt Nam không thể sánh bằng các nước nhưng tôi đă được tạo mọi điều kiện để làm việc. Khu công nghệ cao chưa có pḥng thí nghiệm th́ tôi t́m đến Đại học Bách Khoa. Cha mẹ nghèo, làm con đừng nên đ̣i hỏi. Khó khăn ở đâu cũng có, ḿnh phải biết kiên nhẫn "gơ cửa, cửa sẽ mở"".

Với cương vị Giám đốc Trung tâm Nghiên cứu thuộc Khu Công nghệ cao TP.HCM, chỉ sau một năm ông và các đồng sự của ḿnh đă công bố chế tạo thành công than nano "lỏng". Đây được xem là bước đột phá, bởi trên thế giới hiện có rất ít nước phát triển chế tạo được vật liệu này. Thành công này mở đường cho Việt Nam tiến sâu vào thị trường sản xuất vi mạch máy tính và linh kiện bán dẫn.

Dự kiến trong năm 2004, nhóm nghiên cứu sẽ được trang bị các thiết bị, để từ than nano "lỏng" chế tạo ra ống than đơn phân tử và vật liệu này sẽ thương mại hóa, đem lại nhiều giá trị kinh tế và lợi nhụân. Hiện nay, giá bán của 1gram ống than đơn phân tử trên thế giới là 350.000 USD trong khí giá thành dự kiến của nhóm nghiên cứu đưa ra thị trường là 50.000 USD.

Và những dự tính cho quê hương


Phút thư giăn ở nhà user posted image


Gần nửa đời người sống ở nước ngoài, Tiến sĩ Khê gặt hái khá nhiều thành công trong khoa học, nhưng điều hạnh phúc lớn nhất đối với anh là được trở về quê hương, phục vụ cho chính quê hương, đất nước ḿnh.

Anh bảo: "Sống và làm việc ở đây, tôi thấy thích và thoả mái, nhiều khi c̣n thú vị hơn ở nước ngoài".

Một ngày làm việc của anh bắt đầu từ 4 giờ sáng. Anh đi bộ khoảng 10 km, chăm sóc cây hoa trong vườn và tự chuẩn bị bữa ăn sáng cho ḿnh. Anh bảo: "Mỗi đêm ngủ 4 tiếng đối với tôi là quá nhiều. Đam mê lớn nhất của tôi là suy nghĩ cái mới. Thú vui trong công việc là vô tận...".

Căn nhà anh ở là một thế giới về ảnh nghệ thuật. Có khi anh ngồi cả tiếng đồng hồ chờ mặt trời lặn để chụp bằng được tấm ảnh ưng ư. Anh cũng đă từng đoạt giải nhiếp ảnh thế giới.

Đam mê khoa học, suốt đời cống hiến cho khoa học, có lẽ v́ vậy mà đă ngoài tuổi năm mươi, Tiến sĩ Nguyễn Chánh Khê vẫn chưa có hạnh phúc riêng của ḿnh. Anh đùa bảo: "Bởi tôi yêu 80 triệu người dân Việt, yêu phong cảnh thiên nhiên và yêu các bài hát quan họ Việt Nam, thế nên...". Anh đang tập bài hát "Nghe câu quan họ trên cao nguyên" và không ngần ngại hát lên một đoạn. Tôi chợt nhận ra, phía sau những phát minh khoa học của tiến sĩ Nguyễn Chánh Khê là một tâm hồn Việt hết sức lăng mạn, bay bổng...

Chia tay tôi, anh bảo: "Thông điệp mà tôi muốn gởi đến các bạn Việt kiều là, nếu dự định trở về Việt Nam làm ăn th́ hăy mạnh dạn. Quê hương là thiên đường để thực hiện ước mơ, hoài băo kể cả nghiên cứu khoa học. Không ǵ hạnh phúc bằng làm việc, cống hiến cho quê hương, đất nước ḿnh...".

Minh Diệu
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TDscorpion
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Khe said, "Foreign investors have introduced modern technologies into Vietnam since the country adopted the Doi Moi (Renewal) policy. However, these technologies, such as nanotechnology, are foreign made. I want to develop some related technologies, especially the nano, and make them the source technologies of Vietnam".

"Vietnam must have source technologies, which are essential to boost the development of science and technology and to earn money for the country."

With this great ambition, Khe took up a job at the Saigon High-Tech Park, hoping that it could successfully develop source technologies with local materials to attract investors.

"I hope that over the next seven to 10 years, the park will be able to create technologies that can earn a place in the international technology market", Khe said.

Late last year, Khe successfully developed liquid nano carbon, a technological achievement that will enable Vietnam to enter the field of manufacturing microcircuit boards for computers and semiconductors. In particular, Khe and his colleagues produced liquid nano carbon from materials available in Vietnam, such as coal, coconut oil and charcoal.

Thanks to the invention, the price of the carbon nano tube produced from liquid nano carbon can be 10 times cheaper than previously produced from plasma, which costs US$350 per gram. The material is now used to produce four-colour ink at Saigon High-Teck Park at half of the cost of imports.


His contributions to VN is Noteworthy especially in nanotechnology. If VN has more people like him, soon VN is on par with her neighbors in terms of technology, well this is just from the beginning.
Johannjs
He's now preparing the grounds for others to come home too.

Read this today's article

http://www.nguoivienxu.vietnamnet.vn/doiso...2004/07/219000/
blank book
Thanks for the article, Johannjs. We need more people like him, but alas, most Viets are quite selfish, even in regards to their own countrymen.
herosword
QUOTE (blank book @ Jul 23 2004, 09:41 PM)
Thanks for the article, Johannjs.  We need more people like him, but alas, most Viets are quite selfish, even in regards to their own countrymen.

Not selfish, just some Viets perfer their freedoms to the Communist government.
blank book
My response was vague, but I don't think it had anything to do with freedom or Communism. Perhaps selfish isn't the word to use, but our "everyone should mind their own business" attitudes coupled with our drive to make as much money as possible doesn't exactly make our people philanthropists.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Asians are mostly stingy and not community minded,

When we had door knock appeal for Salvation Army (charity), Asian people either didn't donate or gave very little.
TDscorpion
QUOTE (blank book @ Jul 23 2004, 09:41 PM)
Thanks for the article, Johannjs. We need more people like him, but alas, most Viets are quite selfish, even in regards to their own countrymen.

Sort of but not quite, here is my opinion
People in 20's are busy in school, job .. future, dating
People in 30's, perhaps graduated, sticked to jobs, married, Kids, bills
People in 40's, again Jobs, bought a house and somewhat stable
People in 50's been there done that, children are in college, financial is stable ... these people will go back to VN. That is how I see it
blank book
^Good points, but I think you can apply those assumptions to any group of people, not just Vietnamese. Besides, I never said we were the only group of selfish people.
Johannjs
QUOTE (TDscorpion @ Jul 24 2004, 02:51 AM)
QUOTE (blank book @ Jul 23 2004, 09:41 PM)
Thanks for the article, Johannjs.  We need more people like him, but alas, most Viets are quite selfish, even in regards to their own countrymen.

Sort of but not quite, here is my opinion
People in 20's are busy in school, job .. future, dating
People in 30's, perhaps graduated, sticked to jobs, married, Kids, bills
People in 40's, again Jobs, bought a house and somewhat stable
People in 50's been there done that, children are in college, financial is stable ... these people will go back to VN. That is how I see it


I agree, that this can be a question of organization! So, the only thing to do, is revise this scheme?

People in 20's are busy in school, job .. future, dating, see the world
People in 30's, graduated, stick to jobs, married, Kids, bought a house, bills, some more travel
People in 40's, again Jobs, and stable, option to return starts earlier here

People in 50's been there done that, children are in college, financial is stable ... these people will go back to VN.

QUOTE
With this dream, Khe refused a well-paid job at the Silicon Valley in California and returned to Vietnam in 2002 to work at the Saigon High-Tech Park in HCM City. To many people, it was a great sacrifice, but to Khe, his decision was quite simple.


I read he refused a job paying USD 600,000/year.

Huynh
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 24 2004, 07:19 AM)
QUOTE (TDscorpion @ Jul 24 2004, 02:51 AM)
QUOTE (blank book @ Jul 23 2004, 09:41 PM)
Thanks for the article, Johannjs.  We need more people like him, but alas, most Viets are quite selfish, even in regards to their own countrymen.

Sort of but not quite, here is my opinion
People in 20's are busy in school, job .. future, dating
People in 30's, perhaps graduated, sticked to jobs, married, Kids, bills
People in 40's, again Jobs, bought a house and somewhat stable
People in 50's been there done that, children are in college, financial is stable ... these people will go back to VN. That is how I see it


I agree, that this can be a question of organization! So, the only thing to do, is revise this scheme?

People in 20's are busy in school, job .. future, dating, see the world
People in 30's, graduated, stick to jobs, married, Kids, bought a house, bills, some more travel
People in 40's, again Jobs, and stable, option to return starts earlier here

People in 50's been there done that, children are in college, financial is stable ... these people will go back to VN.

QUOTE
With this dream, Khe refused a well-paid job at the Silicon Valley in California and returned to Vietnam in 2002 to work at the Saigon High-Tech Park in HCM City. To many people, it was a great sacrifice, but to Khe, his decision was quite simple.


I read he refused a job paying USD 600,000/year.

wow that alot of money eek.gif
but sence he old money dont really mean that much like it use to, plus i guess he want enjoy the rest of his life in his native land.
herosword
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 23 2004, 10:08 PM)
Asians are mostly stingy and not community minded,

When we had door knock appeal for Salvation Army (charity), Asian people either didn't donate or gave very little.

Again this "stingy" attitude is more pronounced in the older generation than the younger generation. Those who oringinally who came from Vietnam usually had very little and had to be tightfisted. Old habits are hard to break. If I meet younger people, they're usually more generous.
Huynh
QUOTE (herosword @ Jul 24 2004, 12:12 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 23 2004, 10:08 PM)
Asians are mostly stingy and not community minded,

When we had door knock appeal for Salvation Army (charity), Asian people either didn't donate or gave very little.

Again this "stingy" attitude is more pronounced in the older generation than the younger generation. Those who oringinally who came from Vietnam usually had very little and had to be tightfisted. Old habits are hard to break. If I meet younger people, they're usually more generous.

yea that is true
cause how can u give when u dont have nothing
blank book
You bring up a good point, herosword. However, is it wrong to say that children often immitate the actions, attitudes and beliefs of their parents? Then again, we are two different people, individuals who have grown up in different environments with different interpretations and preceptions of the world around us.
Johannjs
Normally all Vietnamese people have a generous heart.

Now, clearly, the previous generation of Vietnamese abroad had not important means, and had to care about their children before anything.

NQSH and herosword are probably not talking about normal Vietnamese.

Nero874
Why do you say that about the Viets abroad? It's the Viets overseas who send billions into VN.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
QUOTE (Nero874 @ Jul 24 2004, 10:14 PM)
Why do you say that about the Viets abroad? It's the Viets overseas who send billions into VN.

Vietnamese are somewhat insular and inward looking people. If we have $100 bucks, we'd rather give it to our family than poor strangers. Westerners on the other hand would give $90 to their family and the rest to poor strangers.

It's very hard to put my thoughts into words but I think you guys will understand.
Clean
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 24 2004, 09:29 PM)
QUOTE (Nero874 @ Jul 24 2004, 10:14 PM)
Why do you say that about the Viets abroad? It's the Viets overseas who send billions into VN.

Vietnamese are somewhat insular and inward looking people. If we have $100 bucks, we'd rather give it to our family than poor strangers. Westerners on the other hand would give $90 to their family and the rest to poor strangers.

It's very hard to put my thoughts into words but I think you guys will understand.

I think like that too.

My rational is. If MY FAMILY is poor, i help them first. I help them to the fullest, till they can stand on there own two feet. Because they are who i love, i know it's painful to see a child homeless on the streets in VN. BUT, to me, it's more painful to see family on the streets, homeless in VN.

My dream is to someday go back to VN to live, i hope someday i can help the Vietnamese people as much as i can. I hate the government, and would hate to live under such a government, BUT, i love the Vietnamese people enough to forget about the government. I'd probably be pretty old by the time i go back though, like someone said, first i have to raise my kids (when i have them), establish a strong home, then finish my business in N. America and abroad before i can or would go back.

Kudos to the guy though, he has a good heart, better than most i know.
Johannjs
Some more news update from Dr Nguyen Chanh Khe

Vietnam to launch nano-technology based printer ink

Viet Nam has succeeded in making nano coal, the first material, based on nano technology, said Nguyen Chanh Khe, director of the Research and Development Center under the Saigon Hi-Tech Park (SHTP). He was speaking at the second meeting of overseas Vietnamese intellectuals held by the Saigon Hi-tech Park (SHTP) and the Viet Nam Committee for Overseas Vietnamese-related Affairs in Ho Chi Minh City on Monday.

Such a material will help the country's lucrative semiconductor industry take shape because it can be used to produce information technology products such as computer chips and inks, he said. The SHTP and the Ho Chi Minh City University of Technology haveused the nano coal, which is made from calcium carbide, coconut fiber or oil coal, to successfully produce printer inks.

Experts attending the forum discussed prospects for Viet Nam to develop information technology, nanotechnology, new generation telecommunication, micro-circuit and risk investment funds, saying Viet Nam has the potential to develop a micro-circuits and semi-conductor industry if appropriate plans are adopted to involve overseas Vietnamese entrepreneurs and experts currently working in the California's Silicon Valley and other developed countries.

The Centre for Research and Development in HCM City’s hi-tech zone is co-ordinating with T.I.K Technology Company to launch a nano-technology based printer ink and paper products, said director of the centre Nguyen Chanh Khe. The products will produce excellent quality images compared to other printer ink and papers available in the market now. The price of the printer ink is a half that of those from foreign companies while the paper is 30 percent cheaper.

This is the first time Vietnam has launched products that use nano-technology.

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‘Liquid’ carbon to transform IT sector

HCM CITY—The work of dedicated scientists at the Saigon Hi-Tech Park (SHTP) and the Polytechnic University of HCM City has laid the foundation for a profitable new semi-conducting industry in Viet Nam.

Dr Nguyen Chanh Khe, SHTP’s research and development director, said the scientists were able to manufacture "liquid" nano carbon by using nano-technology, the science of building electronic circuits from atoms and molecules.

He said the success in developing a local version of a product previously available only as an expensive import had turned around the fortunes of local manufacturers of micro-electronic circuitry, semi-conductors and computer parts.

The nano "liquid" carbon is manufactured from cheap, locally plentiful materials like calcium carbide, carbon-rich coal and coconut shell ash.

The Saigon Hi-Tech Park has invited business people and experts of Vietnamese descent who live in Silicon Valley near San Jose, California to set up joint ventures and engage in semi-conducting technology transfer. More than 60 overseas Vietnamese who attended a seminar on Monday were told that top priority would go to the semi-conducting industry. Some 20 per cent of the 170,000 Vietnamese-Americans in San Jose work in the semi-conducting industry, Khe said.

Meanwhile, US PolyInsight Lab, which specialises in observing and analysing nano-structures, announced that liquid nano-coal studied at the HCM City centre is 20mm in length.

The results proved that Vietnam has officially begun producing and using products with nanotechnology.

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To be compared to this
QUOTE ( http://nanotechwire.com/news.asp?nid=1061 )
8/19/2004 11:49:39 PM
Europe Concentrates Forces in the Nanotechnology Area

Frontiers is a European network which aims at establishing leadership in research and innovation on behalf of life sciences related nanotechnology by integrating the strengths and facilities of the network partners. This integrated approach will strengthen Europe’s position in nanosciences and will increase its competitive R&D position with respect to the US and Japan. In the Frontiers consortium 12 top-level nanotechnology institutes are united including the University of Cambridge, Max Planck in Germany and the Nano Science Group from Toulouse, France. On August 23 the network gathers in Enschede (The Netherlands) to launch a joint program of activities.

Back in 2000 the EU already recognized that the scientific and technological development in Europe was falling behind relatively compared to the US and Japan. It recommended that investment in nanotechnology R&D should triple by 2010 to strengthen Europe’s competitive position and to help Europe become world leader in the rapidly developing field of nanotechnology. One of the crucial differences between the EU and our main competitors is that the latter have coordinated R&D programmes whereas European research is scattered. The Frontiers initiative is designed to create critical mass in life sciences related nanotechnology and hence maintain European excellence in nanosciences.
VietNamDNCongHoa
He's making money. But not all of us are lucky like him. Also, Viet Cong is buying this guy out.

An engineer earns an average of $100.00 in Vietnam. Some of us are MIT graduates, we're making $100,000 or more here. I am very sure that not too many of us would go back and help Vietnam anytime soon.
supernovasp
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Sep 9 2004, 06:00 AM)
He's making money. But not all of us are lucky like him. Also, Viet Cong is buying this guy out.

An engineer earns an average of $100.00 in Vietnam. Some of us are MIT graduates, we're making $100,000 or more here. I am very sure that not too many of us would go back and help Vietnam anytime soon.

yea 100$ a month
Johannjs
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Sep 9 2004, 01:00 PM)
He's making money. But not all of us are lucky like him. Also, Viet Cong is buying this guy out.

An engineer earns an average of $100.00 in Vietnam. Some of us are MIT graduates, we're making $100,000 or more here. I am very sure that not too many of us would go back and help Vietnam anytime soon.

"Some of us"? Who? You? who are you? if you are so sure I think you should do that! Your motherland is USA, so why bother?

an engineer? why talk about what you don't know?! I saw in your posts here that you always know all, hahahaha

A low level programmer earns more than that. An engineer starts at more than double, then quadruple that sum. They are happier than you are. Nobody makes fun of them, hahaha ha

Sorry, I couldn't help it embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 9 2004, 08:43 PM)
yea 100$ a month

supernovasp, are you're feeling happy thinking that other people are having less money than you? MONEY?

Ok, I think you at least, you've got your education.
VietNamDNCongHoa
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Sep 9 2004, 02:51 PM)
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Sep 9 2004, 01:00 PM)
He's making money. But not all of us are lucky like him. Also, Viet Cong is buying this guy out.

An engineer earns an average of $100.00 in Vietnam. Some of us are MIT graduates, we're making $100,000 or more here. I am very sure that not too many of us would go back and help Vietnam anytime soon.

"Some of us"? Who? You? who are you? if you are so sure I think you should do that! Your motherland is USA, so why bother?

an engineer? why talk about what you don't know?! I saw in your posts here that you always know all, hahahaha

A low level programmer earns more than that. An engineer starts at more than double, then quadruple that sum. They are happier than you are. Nobody makes fun of them, hahaha ha

Sorry, I couldn't help it embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 9 2004, 08:43 PM)
yea 100$ a month

supernovasp, are you're feeling happy thinking that other people are having less money than you? MONEY?

Ok, I think you at least, you've got your education.


I can say many of us. In fact, I am attending IMTS 2004 show in Chicago. Haven't met so many young Vietnamese American engineers in my life. I've met Vietnamese German, Vietnamese French, Vietnamese English engineers as well.

You can laugh all you wanted. I've been in Vietnam too. I've been in most Binh Duong - Thu Dau Mot industrial parks and talked to so many Viet programmers, engineers, workers, etc... Many company Presidents only earns $700 a month. In order for them to be the company President, they have to join Communist party.

Most of them are not happy. So, please don't bluff me... Thanks.
supernovasp
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Sep 9 2004, 02:51 PM)
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Sep 9 2004, 01:00 PM)
He's making money. But not all of us are lucky like him. Also, Viet Cong is buying this guy out.

An engineer earns an average of $100.00 in Vietnam. Some of us are MIT graduates, we're making $100,000 or more here. I am very sure that not too many of us would go back and help Vietnam anytime soon.

"Some of us"? Who? You? who are you? if you are so sure I think you should do that! Your motherland is USA, so why bother?

an engineer? why talk about what you don't know?! I saw in your posts here that you always know all, hahahaha

A low level programmer earns more than that. An engineer starts at more than double, then quadruple that sum. They are happier than you are. Nobody makes fun of them, hahaha ha

Sorry, I couldn't help it embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 9 2004, 08:43 PM)
yea 100$ a month

supernovasp, are you're feeling happy thinking that other people are having less money than you? MONEY?

Ok, I think you at least, you've got your education.

Uhm my brother was about to graduate from Dai Hoc Bach Khoa in Phu Tho, Saigon, so I know the fact that the most money you can get even though you went to the finest college in Saigon was still about 1-3 trieu dong.
VietNamDNCongHoa
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 9 2004, 03:17 PM)
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Sep 9 2004, 02:51 PM)
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Sep 9 2004, 01:00 PM)
He's making money. But not all of us are lucky like him. Also, Viet Cong is buying this guy out.

An engineer earns an average of $100.00 in Vietnam. Some of us are MIT graduates, we're making $100,000 or more here. I am very sure that not too many of us would go back and help Vietnam anytime soon.

"Some of us"? Who? You? who are you? if you are so sure I think you should do that! Your motherland is USA, so why bother?

an engineer? why talk about what you don't know?! I saw in your posts here that you always know all, hahahaha

A low level programmer earns more than that. An engineer starts at more than double, then quadruple that sum. They are happier than you are. Nobody makes fun of them, hahaha ha

Sorry, I couldn't help it embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 9 2004, 08:43 PM)
yea 100$ a month

supernovasp, are you're feeling happy thinking that other people are having less money than you? MONEY?

Ok, I think you at least, you've got your education.

Uhm my brother was about to graduate from Dai Hoc Bach Khoa in Phu Tho, Saigon, so I know the fact that the most money you can get even though you went to the finest college in Saigon was still about 1-3 trieu dong.

He'll probaly get a job for 100 USD/month to start and then move up. If he live in HCMC, his rent would probably be 800,000 VND/month. That's not enough earning for living.

Do you think it's practical for a Viet to spend 150,000 USD for college education here to go back to VN and make 100-200 USD a month?

Johannjs
The news I posted about Dr Nguyen Chanh Khe achievements in the nonatechnology field is supposed to be good news for Vietnam. Compared to European, same field.

So, if you feel like a Viet person, then be glad Vietnam is making it.

Now, if you talk about anybody who graduated, even in Western countries, then OK. But there are talented graduated, and there are more... common graduated. The salaries are going up in Vietnam, but in IT they must still be cheaper than those in India, otherwise they can't compete.

I'm a senior R&D engineer in computer science and now IT, and a linguist. I'm in the 3% top salaries in my country. I'm preparing to go back too... That's all!
supernovasp
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Sep 9 2004, 03:32 PM)

He'll probaly get a job for 100 USD/month to start and then move up. If he live in HCMC, his rent would probably be 800,000 VND/month. That's not enough earning for living.

Do you think it's practical for a Viet to spend 150,000 USD for college education here to go back to VN and make 100-200 USD a month?

hehe well 90% of them are official's children.. embarassedlaugh.gif So they're going to inherit all the corruption money anyway.

Oh one of my cousin in Vietnam has 3 trieu dong a month salary, but his monthly cellphone bill alone costs 1 trieu ruoi. So yea embarassedlaugh.gif
VietNamDNCongHoa
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Sep 9 2004, 03:57 PM)
The news I posted about Dr Nguyen Chanh Khe achievements in the nonatechnology field is supposed to be good news for Vietnam. Compared to European, same field.

So, if you feel like a Viet person, then be glad Vietnam is making it.

Now, if you talk about anybody who graduated, even in Western countries, then OK. But there are talented graduated, and there are more... common graduated. The salaries are going up in Vietnam, but in IT they must still be cheaper than those in India, otherwise they can't compete.

I'm a senior R&D engineer in computer science and now IT, and a linguist. I'm in the 3% top salaries in my country. I'm preparing to go back too... That's all!

No doubt, it's very nice to know. Most of us are indeed glad.

If you go back to Vietnam, congratulation. I'd love to come back to work in VN but don't like the gov't . That's all.
Johannjs
Check out the News update of Mr Nguyen Chanh Khe!

Any of us planning to return soon ?

Check also this thread

All Essential VN related Links
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...opic=9489&st=33

ZamienTran
QUOTE(Johannjs @ Nov 22 2005, 04:43 PM)
Check out the News update of Mr Nguyen Chanh Khe!

Any of us planning to return soon ?

Check also this thread

All Essential VN related Links
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...opic=9489&st=33
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Tell us the truth, how much your Communist Party paid you over this lamed advertisement, Johannjs?

I know one guy here in the US, he's kinda loner. He doesn't talk much and doesn't like to hang out with anybody. Yup, he has a few friends. He wanted to have a girlfriend but nobody would want to date that boring and bold guy. As he told me, sometimes he got a cheap motel room and called some hooker to please his needs. 6 months ago, he went back to VN and married some girl. He always carry the picture him with that girl in VN and show us. Right now, he is planning to move back to VN and live there with the girl. Coz he doesn't want the girl to go to US. As he said, "You never known, she might dump me for another guy when she come over here".

Sad huh? I hope that Dr. Nguyen Chanh Khue isn't like this poor bastard.
soro_i
QUOTE(Johannjs @ Nov 22 2005, 08:43 PM)
Any of us planning to return soon ?
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My family and I go back quite often, and my parents are currently in transition... ~ 7 months in VN and 5 months in US.

Kids growing up there are more free and happier than in US... Don't have to worry about kidnapping, molestations, gangs, etc.

Old ppl also are seem to be happier there... I saw some of old Viets here that are very sad... They are a step away from Nursing Homes. icon_sad.gif



CoDep
It is not very accurate to say that the Vietnamese at 50s in the US
want to go to live in Vietnam .
In the US, people at 50s are not ready to retire. The age for retirement
in the US is 65 or 66. So, it is not easy to work in Vietnam at 50s when
the person has not a very good preparation.
Many of my friends who are in late 60s still stay in the US. They do not
pay for heathcare, and every month, they save some money, and in
few months, they send few hundreds of dollars to Vietnam. They could
not have done that if they were in Vietnam.
soro_i
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That's why alot of old Viets wish they can go back...

It's very sad to be old in US... bawling.gif

I don't want to imagine about 2nd or 3rd generation Viets when they get old... Nursing Homes in US are not very friendly place for Viets...

My family trying to findout, how feasible is it to open a Nursing Home in VN with good medical staff.



VOTAMVOTU
hey if youre a programer and youre good. you should go back and try to start up a software company. i think vietnam be good place to create games in the future
Johannjs
QUOTE(VOTAMVOTU @ Nov 24 2005, 03:47 AM)
hey if youre a programer and youre good. you should go back and try to start up a software company. i think vietnam be good place to create games in the future
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