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VietAvenger
Excerpt from TIMES Magazine:

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As with other foreign troops, particularly the Americans, the Koreans' lack of understanding of local customs has contributed to suspicious and mistrustful relations with the Vietnamese. Rumors abound of incidents in which Korean soldiers brutalized the civilians —for example, by wiping out entire hamlets in retaliation for losing a single soldier to a Viet Cong sniper. One of the few incidents to be confirmed was in October 1969, when eyewitnesses said that they saw uniformed Koreans enter a temple in Phan Rang and murder four Buddhist monks. The South Vietnamese government absolved the Koreans, saying that a captured Communist soldier had confessed that he and some comrades had dressed in Korean uniforms and killed the monks.


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Last week new charges of Korean atrocities were reviewed. A Lower House Deputy, Nguyen Cong Hoang, one of the representatives of Phu Yen province, had prompted an official investigation several weeks ago into a My Lai-type massacre that reportedly occurred in his province on July 31. On that day, troops of the First Battalion of the "Tiger" Division's 26th Regiment were conducting a mopping-up operation. As the troops passed near Phu Long hamlet, they were fired upon by small arms. A platoon leader and a sergeant were killed. The Koreans dug in and, with the approval of the district chief, called for artillery and gunship support. When most of the houses in the hamlet had been demolished, the troops entered and "secured" the area. Among the dead: 21 civilians.


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Passionate Stories. Beyond those simple facts, the events at Phu Long are disputed. The Koreans say that the civilians were killed in the artillery fire. But the villagers contend that they survived the battle by hiding in bunkers. After it was over, they say, Korean soldiers came into the village and murdered the 21 people. Tom Fox of TIME'S Saigon bureau visited the province last week. "When they gather to tell their story, they speak with passion," he cabled. "Each fights to let a visitor hear his or her own story. Tell him everything!' someone says. 'Let him know exactly what happened,' adds another. Tears come to the eyes of the women as they speak."


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"The soldiers called Ba Truoc to come out of her hut," a twelve-year-old girl told Fox. "She came out slowly with her baby in her arms. She stood in front of the hut, and they shot them dead." Then a woman told how six Korean soldiers took the prettiest girl in the hamlet, 16-year-old Nguyen Thi Sang, and forced her behind a small hut, where they raped her as she screamed. Then they shot and killed her.

Another woman recalled that she was leaving the village with her elderly mother. The soldiers asked the woman where her husband was. She replied that he was in Tuy Hoa, the capital of the province. They let her pass but detained her mother. Minutes later she heard shots ring out. Her mother, along with a group of others, had been killed.

Hamlet officials are reluctant to take sides. But at least one member of the Phu Yen province council privately supports the villagers' charges. "The Koreans overreacted. They got mad, moved in and went after the people," he said. "It's understandable and regrettable. But what does one say?"

A six-man commission of investigators—three from the Saigon government and three Koreans—has completed a report on the charges. Although the report has not been officially released, its contents have become known in Saigon. It acknowledges the deaths of the civilians but finds insufficient evidence that they were executed. Said Lieut. Colonel Chung Yuk Jin, press spokesman for the Korean command: "If there were villagers killed in the hamlet, they were killed by artillery, stray bullets or the gunships—not by Korean troops." Why would the survivors lie about the incident? "This hamlet has been controlled by the Communists for more than 20 years," argued Chung. "All the relatives and families belong to or are sympathetic to the Viet Cong." Chung's assertion is one hauntingly familiar to American soldiers: how to tell the difference between the Viet Cong and the people.


There were many stories of innocent Vietnamese civilians murdered ruthlessly by Korean soldiers during the civil war. Many women and young girls were systematically raped by Korean soldiers outright, and unlike their American counterparts, the Korean cases were not exceptions--but common practice. I've heard many of these sad stories from relatives. Many of them relate closely to the accounts of Korean atrocities given by African-American servicemen during the Vietnam war (Bloods: An Oral History of the Vietnam War by Black Veterans--By Wallace Terry), where the Black soldiers described how a young Vietnamese girl was raped by Korean soldiers and then set her on fire by setting a flare through her genitalia.
tofu101
QUOTE(VietAvenger @ Sep 3 2007, 11:26 PM) *
Excerpt from TIMES Magazine:
There were many stories of innocent Vietnamese civilians murdered ruthlessly by Korean soldiers during the civil war. Many women and young girls were systematically raped by Korean soldiers outright, and unlike their American counterparts, the Korean cases were not exceptions--but common practice. I've heard many of these sad stories from relatives. Many of them relate closely to the accounts of Korean atrocities given by African-American servicemen during the Vietnam war (Bloods: An Oral History of the Vietnam War by Black Veterans--By Wallace Terry), where the Black soldiers described how a young Vietnamese girl was raped by Korean soldiers and then set her on fire by setting a flare through her genitalia.


That;s fu-ked up. I also read how these Korean soldiers were sent to Vietnam, killed and raped innocent Vietnamese people in S. Vietnam - the side they were "supporting." Korea eventually received a nice economic aid from USA for their involvement in Vietnam, while the Vietnamese side bore the burden. Funny how so many Koreans look down on Vietnam for being "poor," while ignoring the fact that they also help tore up our country and benefited greatly from it.
GenomVirues
I read this a couple of years ago...That's where the ROK army got their insane death/kill ratio during the Vietnam war, it came from defenseless civilian. They may claim otherwise though coz you know how those Korean are, always trying to save face, distorting reality, and such...

It was war so just remember it, forgive, and move on.

jose cuervo
Sure it's sad, but just let it go. Let's look towards the future. And for people looking down on us or VietNam. Our Nominal GDP per Capita will be around 1200 USD in 2010. At this rate and our development we should be a 1st world nation in about 25 to 30 years.

BTW, They might be richer than us but at least we're not America's satellite state! LOL biggthumpup.gif
tdk614
Korean atrocities were well documented and known in S. Korea. I thought I read somewhere that a while ago, a S. Korean president apologized to Vietnam for war atrocities. War-related economic constructions were given to some countries like Thailand and S. Korea while Vietnam received all the destructions. Vietnam is improving and its state of underdevelopment is hopefully transitory. What Vietnam showed was the courage and determination against all odds for a survival of a nation.
landsknechts
Time Magazine does not have to report about something that is too obvious of a fact to proves about its "honesty and integrity".
blacklight
There is no question that the ROK troops committed horrendous atrocities, and that the Saigon dictatorship either ignored them, whitewashed them or just covered them up.
Happy Asian
No one can blame the South Koreans, blame the VNCH traitors instead.
spicy
Getting civilians involved conveniently or successfully helped won the comunists the war. same $hit
chanoi
And the lesson from this is it's always better to not have the presence of foreign troops on your land.
spicy
No, the lesson is just finding that good hiding spot.
TenAnhLaQuoc
Communist Crimes:


The following is a partial chronological list of terrorist acts which were a part of VCP's campaign of terror against the civilian population of South Vietnam.

Feb. 2, 1960: Terrorists sack and burn the Buddhist temple at Phuoc Thanh, Tay Ninh province. They stab to death 17-year old Phan Van Ngoc, who tries to stop them.

April 22, 1960: Some 30 armed communists raid Thoi Long, An Xuyen province. They attempt to take away villager Cao Van Nanh, 45. Villagers protest en masse. Farmer Pham Van Bai, 56, is particularly argumentative. The communists, angered, seize him.
This arouses the villagers who swarm toward the Viet Cong and their prisoner. The communists fire into the crowd. A 16-year old boy is shot dead.

August 23, 1960: Two school teachers, Nguyen Khoa Ngon and Miss Nguyen Thi Thiet, are preparing lessons at home when communists arrive and force them at gun point to go to their school, Rau Ran, in Phong Dinh province. There they find two men tied to the school veranda. The communists read the death order of the two men, named Canh and Van. They are executed, presumable to intimidate the school teachers.

September 24, 1960: An armed band sacks a school in An Lac. An Gian province. It piles seats and desks together and fires them and the school. All that remains is four bare walls.

September 28, 1960: Father Hoang Ngoc Minh, much beloved priest of Kontum parish, is riding from Tan Canh to Kondela. A communist road block halts his car. A bullet smashes into him. The guerrillas drive bamboo spears into Father Minh's body, then one fires a submachine gun point blank, killing him. The driver Huynh Huu, his nephew, is seriously wounded.

September 30, 1960: A band of ten armed communists kidnap farmer Truong Van Dang, 67, from Long Tri, Long An province. They take him before what they call a "people's tribunal." He is condemned to death for purchasing two hectares of rice land and ignoring communist orders to turn the land over to another farmer. After the "trial" he is shot dead in his rice field.

December 6, 1960: Terrorists dynamite the kitchen at the Saigon Golf Club, killing a Vietnamese kitchen helper and injuring two Vietnamese cooks.

December 1960: The GVN reports to the ICC that during the year the communists destroyed or damaged 284 bridges, burned 60 medical aid stations and, through destruction of schools, deprived some 25,000 children of schooling.

March 22, 1961: A truck carrying 20 girls is dynamited on the Saigon-Vung Tau road. The girls are returning from Saigon where they have taken part in a Trung Sisters Day celebration. After the explosion terrorists open fire on survivors. Two of the girls are killed and ten wounded. The girls are unarmed and traveling without escort.

May 15, 1961: Twelve Catholic nuns from La Providence order are traveling on Highway One toward Saigon. Their bus is stopped by communists who ransack their luggage. Sister Theophile protests and is shot dead on the spot. The vehicle is sprayed with bullets seriously wounding Sister Phan Thi No. The ambush takes place near Tram Van, Tay Ninh Province.

July 26, 1961: Two Vietnamese National Assemblymen Rmah Pok and Yet Nic Bounrit, both Montagnards, are shot and killed by terrorists near Dalat. A schoolteacher, traveling with them on their visit to a Montagnard resettlement village, is also killed.

September 20, 1961: One thousand main force communist soldiers storm Phuoc Vinh, capital of (then) Phuoc Thanh province, sac and burn government buildings, behead virtually the entire administrative staff. They hold the capital for 24 hours before withdrawing.

October, 1961: A U.S. State Department study estimates that the communists are killing Vietnamese at rate of 1,500 per month. December 13, 1961: Father Bonnet, a French parish priest from Konkala, Kontum is killed by a terrorist while visiting parishioners at Ngok Rongei.

December 20, 1961: S. Fuka, a Japanese engineer at the Da Nhim dam, a Japanese government war reparations project to supply electric power to Viet-Nam, is kidnaped after being stopped at a road block. His fate is never learned.

January 1, 1962: A Vietnamese labor leader, Le Van Thieu, 63, is hacked to death by terrorists wielding machetes near Bien Hoa, in the rubber plantation on which he works.

January 2, 1962: Two Vietnamese technicians working in the government's anti-malaria program, Pham Van Hai and Nguyen Van Thach, are killed by communists with machetes, 12 miles south of Saigon.

February 20, 1962: Terrorists throw four hand grenades into a crowded village theater near Can Tho, killing 24 women and children. In all, 108 persons are killed or injured.

April 8, 1962: Communists execute two wounded American prisoners of war near the village of An Chau in Central Viet-Nam. Each, hands tied, is shot in the face because he cannot keep up with the retreating captors.

May 19, 1962: A terrorist grenade is hurled into the Aterbea restaurant in Saigon, wounding a Berlin circus manager and the cultural attache from the German Embassy.

May 20, 1962: A bomb explodes in front of the Hung Dao Hotel, Saigon, a billet for American servicemen, injuring eight Vietnamese and three Americans who are in the street at the time.

June 12, 1962: Communists ambush a civilian passenger bus near Le Tri, An Giang province, killing the passengers, the driver and the driver's helper, a total of five men and women.

October 20, 1962: A teenage communist hurls a grenade into a holiday crowd in downtown Saigon, killing six persons, including two children, and injuring 38 persons.

November 4, 1962: A terrorist hurls a grenade into an alley in Can Tho, killing one American serviceman and two Vietnamese children. A third Vietnamese child is seriously injured.

January 25, 1963: Communists dynamite a passenger freight train near Qui Nhon, killing eight passengers and injuring 15 others. The train is carrying only rice as freight.

March 4, 1963: Two Protestant missionaries-Elwood Forreston, an American, and Gaspart Makil, a Filipino, are shot dead at a road block between Saigon and Dalat. The Makil twin babies are shot
and wounded.

March 16, 1963: Terrorists hurl a grenade into a Saigon home where and American family is having dinner, killing a French businessman and wounding four other persons, on of them a woman.

April 3, 1963: Terrorists throw two grenades into a private school near Long Xuyen, An Gian province, Killing a teacher and two other adults. Students are performing their annual variety show at the time.

April 4, 1963: Terrorists throw grenades into an audience attending an outdoor motion picture showing in Cao Lanh village in the Mekong Delta, killing four persons and wounding 11.

May 23, 1963: Two powerful explosions set off by terrorists on bicycles kill two Vietnamese and wound ten others in Saigon. Police believe the explosion was accidentally premature.

September 12, 1963: Miss Vo Thi Lo, 26, a schoolteacher in An Phuoc, Kien Hoa province, is found near the village with her throat cut. She had been kidnaped three days earlier.

October 16, 1963: Terrorists explode mines under two civilian buses in Kien Hoa and Quang Tin provinces, killing 18 Vietnamese and wounding 23.

November 9, 1963: Three grenades are thrown in Saigon, injuring a total of 16 persons, including four children; the first is thrown in a main street, the second along the waterfront, and the third in the Chinese residential area.

February 9, 1964: Two Americans are killed and 41 wounded, including four women and five children, when a communist bomb is set off in a sports stadium during a softball game. A second portion of the bomb fails to explode. Officials estimate that if it had, fifty persons would have died.

February 16, 1964: Three Americans are killed and 32 injured, most of them U.S. dependents, when terrorists bomb the Kinh Do movie theater in Saigon.

July 14, 1964: Pham Thao, chairman of the catholic Action Committee in Quang Ngai, is executed when he returns to his native village of Pho Loi, Quang Ngai province.

October, 1964: U.S. officials in Saigon report that from January to October of 1964 the communists killed 429 Vietnamese local officials and kidnapped 482 others.

December 24, 1964: A Christmas eve bomb explosion at the Brink officers' billet kills two Americans and injures 50 Americans and 13 Vietnamese.

February 6, 1965: Radio Liberation announces that the communists have shot two American prisoners of war as reprisals against the Vietnamese government, which had sentenced two terrorists to death.

February 10, 1965: Terrorists blow up an enlisted men's barracks in Qui Nhon, killing 23 Americans.

March 30, 1965: A bomb explodes outside the American Embassy in Saigon, killing 2 Americans, 18 Vietnamese and injuring 100 Vietnamese and 45 Americans.

June 24, 1965: Radio Liberation announces the execution of an American prisoner.

June 25, 1965: Terrorists dynamite the My Canh restaurant in Saigon, killing 27 Vietnamese, 12 Americans, two Filipinos, one Frenchman, one German; more than 80 persons are injured.

June 1965: Vietnamese officials report the rate of assassinations and kidnappings of rural officials has double din June over May and April; 224 officials were either killed or kidnaped.

August 18, 1965: A bomb at the Police Directorate office in Saigon kills six and wounds 15.

October 4, 1965: One of two planted bombs explodes at the Cong Hoa National Sports Stadium, killing eleven Vietnamese, including four children, and wounding 42 persons.

October 5, 1965: A bomb goes off, apparently prematurely, in a taxi on a main street in downtown Saigon, killing two Vietnamese and wounding ten others.

December 4, 1965: In Saigon a terrorist bomb kills eight persons when it explodes in front of a billet for U.S. enlisted men; 137 are injured, including 72 Americans, three New Zealanders and 62
Vietnamese.

December 12, 1965: Two terrorist platoons kill 23 Vietnamese canal construction workers asleep in a Buddhist Pagoda in Tan Huong, Dinh Tuong province; wound seven others.

December 30, 1965: Saigon editor Tu Chung of the newspaper Chinh Luan is gunned down in point blank fire as he arrives home at noon for lunch. Earlier he had published the texts of threatening notes he had received from the communists.

January 7, 1966: A Claymore mine explodes at Tan Son Nhut gate (entrance to Saigon airport), killing two persons and injuring 12.

January 17,1966: Communists in Kien Tuong detonate a mine under a highway bus, killing 26 civilians, seven of them children. Eight persons are injured and three are listed as mission.

January 18, 1966: Communists mine a bus in Kien Tuong province, killing 26 civilians.

January 29, 1966: Terrorists kill a Catholic priest, Father Phan Khac Dau, 74, at Thanh Tri, Kien tuong province. Five other civilians, including a church officer, are also killed. The marauders desecrate the church, destroying its statuary and religious artifacts.

February 2, 1966: A communist squad ambushes a jeep load of Vietnamese information workers, killing six and wounding one: in Hau Nghia province.

February 14, 1966: Two mines explode beneath a bus and a three- wheeled taxi on a road near Tuy Hoa, killing 48 farm laborers and injuring seven others.

March 18, 1966: Fifteen Vietnamese civilians are killed and four injured by the explosion of a homemade mine on a country road eight kilometers west of Tuy Hoa, Phu Yen province.

May 22, 1966: Terrorists kill 18 sleeping men, a woman and four children during an attack on a housing center for canal workers in the Mekong Delta province of An Giang. "We are doing this to teach you a lesson," a communist cadre is reported to have said just before he pulled the trigger.

September 10, 1966: On the eve of South Vietnam's Constituent assembly elections, communists stage 166 separate incidents of intimidation, abduction and assassination, Polling places also are destroyed.

September 11, 1966: On election day, communists kill 19 voters wound 120, in fire on polling places, mining of roads, and in individual assassinations.

September 24, 1966: American troops free eleven persons from a communist "jail" in Phu Yen province who report that 70 fellow prisoners were deliberately starved to death and 20 others tortured until they died.

October 11, 1966: Acting on information from a 14-year old boy, allied forces discover a prison complex in Binh Dinh province containing the bodies of 12 Vietnamese who had been machine gunned and grenaded by fleeing guards.

October 22, 1966: A youth worker in Binh Chanh, Gia Dinh province, is shot and killed by raiders while asleep in his home.

October 24, 1966: The Hue-Quang Tri bus runs over a mine in Phong Dien district, Thua Thien province;
15 passengers are injured.

October 27, 1966: A grenade is thrown into a home in Ban Me Thout, Darlac province, killing a 63-year old man and a nine- month old child; seven other persons , six of them women, are wounded.

October 28, 1966: An alert policeman arrests a female communist agent who is about to place a time-bomb under the reviewing stand at a festival in Khanh Hung (Soc Trang), Ba Xuyen province.

November 1, 1966: Communists direct long-range recoilless rifle fire into downtown Saigon during National Day celebration killing or wounding 51 persons.

November 2, 1966: A grenade is thrown by a terrorist at Phu Tho racetrack, Saigon, killing two persons and wounding eight others, including two children.

November 2, 1966: A squad of armed guerrillas attacks a hamlet in Chau Thanh district, Phong Dinh province, then withdraw after detonating a 10-kilogram charge which wrecks a steel bridge across the Dau Sau canal. An aged woman and two children are wounded.

November 3, 1966: Communist squads infiltrate the outskirts of Saigon, fire 24 recoilless rifle shells on the city. Among the buildings hit are Saigon Central Market, Grall Hospital, Saigon Cathedral, a seminary chapel and several private homes. Eight persons are killed and 37 seriously wounded.

November 4, 1966: Communists lob mortar shells into a village in Hau Nghia province, killing one civilian and wounding eight.

November 4, 1966: Communist attack an outpost in Tay Ninh province, killing six civilians and wounding Revolutionary Development team members.

November 7, 1966: A communist squad on Provincial Road 8, Quang Duc province, abducts a hamlet chief and deputy chief.

November 8, 1966: In Chau Doc province, a 53-year old woman is tortured and shot to death; a note pinned to her body accuses her of supporting the South Vietnamese government.

November 16, 1966: A terrorist bomb-laden bicycle on Nguyen Van Thoai Street, Saigon, explodes; two South Vietnamese soldiers and a civilian are wounded.

November 19, 1966: Eight mortar rounds on Can Giuoc, Long An province, kill two children; 12 civilians are wounded some 20 mortar rounds drop on Can Duoc, wounding five civilians.

November 20, 1966: Two policemen are wounded when they attempt to remove several communist banners equipped with explosive devices.

November 23, 1966: Three terrorists dressed in South Vietnamese army uniforms kill a policeman guarding a bridge at Khanh Hung (Soc Trang), Ba Xuyen province. While escaping, they throw two
grenades, wounding seven civilians and two soldiers.

November 26, 1966: A Claymore-type mine is set off in the playground of the Trinh Hoai Duc boys' school, An Thanh, Binh Duong province. Korean troops are using adjacent area as a training site. Three Koreans are killed and a Vietnamese student is wounded.

November 30, 1966: Communist shell Tan Uyen market, Bien Hoa province, killing three civilians and wounding seven.

December 4, 1966: A village chief in Gia Dinh province is abducted from his home in Phu Lam by four men and assassinated by rifle fire.

December 7, 1966: Tran Van Van, Constituent Assemblyman, is assassinated while en route to the National Assembly building; death weapon is a .32 caliber East German pistol; his killers are captured.

December 10, 1966: A terrorist throw a grenade into the Chieu Hoi district playground, Binh Duong City, severely injuring three children.

December 10, 1966: A taxi on Highway 29, Phong Dinh province runs over a mine. Five passengers, all women, are killed and the driver badly wounded.

December 13, 1966: Revolutionary Development personnel attend a course at the Ca Mau school, An Xuyen province; a charge explodes in the classroom, killing three and wounding nine.

December 20, 1966: A squad infiltrates a hamlet in Quang Tin province, kidnaps a former Viet Cong member who recently defected, carries him to another location and shoots him.

December 27, 1966: National Constituent Assemblyman, Dr. Phan Quang Dan, narrowly escapes death when his car explodes in Gia Dinh province. A charge is concealed beneath the vehicle and detonates as Dr. Dan opens the door. Dan escapes with minor wounds but a woman passerby is killed and five civilians wounded. January 6, 1967: A South Vietnamese policeman kin Tan Chu, Kien Phong province, is shot and killed while members of his family look on.

January 7, 1967: An explosion destroys a school and health station in Hong Ngu district, Kien Phong province.

January 8, 1967: In An Xuyen province, terrorists throw a grenade into the house of a hamlet chief. One of the children is killed and three other civilians are wounded.

January 12, 1967: Three civilians are killed and three South Vietnamese soldiers are wounded in an ambush of a truck on National Highway 14, two kilometers south of Tan Canh village.

January 15, 1967: At Thanh Tho, Quang Tin province, communists shoot a merchant when he refuses to give them two oxen.

January 21, 1967: Several communists force their way into Buon Ho, Darlac province, gather the people for a propaganda lecture; kidnap six young men.

February 6, 1967: Communists raid Lieu Tri, Quang Tin province, and abduct a teacher and a local officials. The teacher is killed.

February 6, 1967: A grenade is thrown onto the porch where Kontum deputy province chief is entertaining a group of South Vietnamese officials. The provincial Chief of Education is killed instantly; the Chief of Montagnard Affairs and another official die of wounds the next day. Eight other are seriously wounded.

March 4, 1967: Only two badly wounded prisoners survive as communist prison guards near Can Tho tie 12 South Vietnamese captives together, shoot and stab them before fleeing from advancing South Vietnamese troops; both survivors live despite having their throats cut.

March 5, 1976: In an nocturnal raid, terrorists murder two young Revolutionary Development workers in Vinh Phu, Phu Yen province. Seven additional Revolutionary Development team members are killed in the ensuing gunfight and four are wounded. The raid is the 113th attach on Revolutionary Development workers since the first of the year.

March 30, 1967: Recoilless rifle fire directed at homes of families of South Vietnamese troops demolishes 200 houses and kills 32 men, women and children in the capital city of Bac Lieu province.

April 13, 1967: A South Vietnamese entertainment troupe is the target of nocturnal raid in Lu Song hamlet, near Da Nang. The team chief and his deputy are killed; two team members are wounded.

April 14, 1967: Terrorists kidnap Nguyen Van Son in Binh Chanh district, Gia Dinh province; he is a candidate inthe elections for village council.

April 16, 1967: A squad enters Cam Ha, Quang Nam province and murders an election candidate. One child is killed and three civilians are wounded.

April 18, 1967: Sui Chon hamlet northeast of Saigon is attacked by assassins and arsonists who slay five Revolutionary Development team members, wound three, abduct seven; three of those slain are young girls, whose hands are tied behind their backs before they are shot in the head. One-third of the hamlet's dwelling is destroyed by fire.

April 26, 1967: Nguyen Cam, chief of Ba Dan hamlet, Quang Nam province, is shot and killed by a terrorist. Cam had been a candidate in recent elections.

May 10, 1967: A bus loaded with South Vietnamese civilians runs over a land mine near Than Bach Thach, Phu Bon province. One passenger is killed; the driver and five passengers are wounded.

May 11, 1967: More than 200 doctors and medical workers of the Republic of South Viet-Nam have been victims of the communists in the past 10 years, State Health Secretary Dr. Tran Van Lu-Y tells the World Health Organization in Geneva. He says 211 members of his staff have been killed or kidnaped; 174 dispensaries, maternity homes and hospitals destroyed; 40 ambulance mined or machine-gunned.

May 16, 1967: In two separate attacks in Quang Tin and Quang Tri provinces, communists kill eight Revolutionary Development team members and injure five.

May 24, 1967: The information officer of Phu Thanh, Bien Hoa province, and his two children are killed by grenades thrown into their home at 3 a.m.

May 29, 1967: Frogmen emerge from the Perfume River in Hue to blow up a hotel housing members of the International Control Commission. No member of the Indian-Canadian-Polish team is hurt, but five South Vietnamese civilians are killed and 15 wounded. The hotel is 80 percent destroyed.

June 2, 1967: Armed with automatic weapons, two platoons make a post-midnight raid on a Chieu Hoi camp in Long An. they injure five South Vietnamese soldiers and five civilians.

June 27, 1967: Twenty-three civilians are killed when their bus strikes a mine in Binh Duong province, southeast of Lai Khe.

July 6, 1967: Several children walking on the road to a pagoda at Cam Pho hamlet, Quang Nam province, are wounded when a passing truck explodes a Viet-Cong antitank mine. One child dies of wounds.

July 13, 1967: An explosion in a Hue restaurant kills two Vietnamese. Twelve Vietnamese, seven Americans and one Filipino are injured.

July 14, 1967: Terrorists dressed in Vietnamese Army uniforms capture a prison in Quang Nam province, releasing about 1,000 of the 1,200 inmates; they execute 30 in the prison yard. Ten civilians are killed and 29 wounded as the terrorists fight their way out of the area.

July 25, 1967: Communists appear at homes in Binh Trieu, Long An province and kidnap four men, a woman and the woman's 16-year-old son. All six are found the following morning along Highway 13, hands tied behind their backs, a bullet in each head.

August 5, 1967: During a special devices class in a secondary school in An Xuyen province, part of the September election "get out the vote" campaign, a terrorist gives a small girl a hand grenade with the pin extracted and tells her to carry it carefully to her teacher. At the classroom door the child drops the grenade, killing herself and injuring nine children.

August 24, 1967: Terrorists kill one and wound four when they detonate a charge at the home of a Vietnamese policeman in Can Tho, Phong Dinh province.

August 26, 1967: Twenty-two civilians die and six are injured when their bus strikes a mine in Kien Hoa province.

August 27, 1967: A week before presidential and senate elections, terrorists step up their activities. A recoilless rifle and mortar attack on Can Tho kills 46 and injures 227. Ten die and ten are injured in an attack on a Revolutionary Development team in Phuoc Long province. Fourteen civilians, including five children, are wounded by mortar fire southeast of Ban Me Thuot, Darlac province. Two civilians die and one is wounded in an attack on a hamlet in Binh Long province. Six civilians are kidnaped from Phuoc Hung village in Thua Thien province.

August 29, 1967: Groups of communists infiltrate four hamlets in Thanh Binh district, Quang Nam province, kill two civilians and abduct six, including an inter-family chief.

September 1, 1967: Terrorist explosives blast six craters in National Route 4 in Dinh Tuong province, stopping all vehicular traffic except a South Vietnamese army ambulance bus which runs over a pressure mine, killing 13 passengers, injuring 23.

September 3, 1967: Shortly after polls open in Tuy Hoa, Phu Yen province, communists detonate a bomb hidden in a polling place. Three voters are killed and 42 are wounded. Election morning attacks, including long-range shellings, claim 48 lives.

November 8, 1967: The Ky Chanh refugee center in Quang Tin province is infiltrated by terrorists who kill four persons, wound nine others and kidnap nine more; they also fire the camp's school.

December 5, 1967: A name that should be remembered as long as Lidice is Dak Son, a Montagnard village of some 2,000 in Phuoc Long province, the scene of what in some ways remains the worst atrocity in the entire atrocity-ridden war. Some 300 communists stage a reprisal raid on Dak Son. The chief weapon: the flame thrower, 60 of them. The purpose: purely to terrorize. The result: a Carhaginian solution, all but sowing of the salt. After breaking through the flimsy hamlet militia defense, the communists set about systematically to destroy the village and the people in it. Families are incinerated alive in their grass-roofed huts or in the shelters dug beneath their beds. Everything combustible is put to the torch: houses, recently harvested grain on the ground, livestock, fences, trees, people. One of the first Americans to approach the scene the following day: "As we approached the place I thought I saw charred cordwood piled up the way you pile up logs neatly beside the road. When we got closer I could see it was burned bodies of several dozen babies. The odor of burned flesh, which really is an unforgettable smell, reached us outside the village and of course got stronger at the center. People were trying to breath through cabbage leaves . . . I saw a small boy a smaller girl, probably his sister, sort of melted together in a charred embrace. I saw a mother burned black still hiding two children, also burned black. Everything was burned and black. The worst was the wail of the survivors who were picking through the smoldering ruins. One man kept screaming and screaming at the top of his lungs. For an hour he kept it up. He wasn't hurt that I could tell. He just kept screaming until a doctor gave him a shot of morphine or something . . . Fire bloats bodies I learned, and after a few hours the skin splits and peels and curls . . . The far end of the village wasn't burned; the communists ran out of flamethrower fuel before they got to it . .
." Estimated toll: 252 dead, about two-thirds of them women and children; 200 abducted, never to return.

Dec. 14, 1967: Bui Quang San, member of South Viet-Nam's lower house, is gunned down in his home near Saigon. Two days before his murder, San told friends of receiving a letter from the communists threatening his life. His mother, first wife and six children were killed in an earlier Vietnamese Communist raid the city of Hoi An.

December 14, 1967: Saigon reports a total of 232 civilians killed by acts of terrorism in one week.

December 16, 1967: During the intermission at a classical drama at the University of Saigon, a communist appears on stage and begins a propaganda speech about the NLF. A student attempts to climb to the stage and is shot in the stomach. Two other students are shot in the melee that follows.

January 20, 1968: An armed propaganda team enters Tam Quan, Binh Dinh province, gathers 100 people for a propaganda session; one prominent village elder objects and is shot to death.

January 30, 1968: On the night of the new moon marking the new lunar year during a negotiated truce, a Vietnamese communist force of approximately 12,000 invaded Hue quickly turned it into one of the saddest cities on Earth.

The communists stayed for 26 days, during which time they executed nearly 6,000 Hue civilians who the National Liberation Front Central Committee had blacklisted as enemies of Communism.
After being forced to withdraw from Hue, South Vietnamese officials found the bodies of over 3,000 men and women buried in a river bed with their hands tied behind them. Many had been buried alive.

April 6, 1968: A band of communists enters That Vinh Dong, Tay Ninh province; they sell several thousand piasters worth of "war bonds" and then depart, taking with them a school teacher, the hamlet chief's two daughters and nephew and six other males age 15 or 16.

May 5 - June 22, 1968: Some 417 rockets are fired indiscriminately into Saigon, chiefly in the densely-populated Fourth District. The rockets are 107mm Chinese-made and 122mm Soviet-made. Result: 115 dead, 528 hospitalized.

May 29, 1968: A band of communists stops all traffic on Route 155 in Vinh Binh province; 50 civilians are kidnaped, including a Protestant minister; 2 buses and 28 three-wheeled taxis are burned.

June 28, 1968: A major attack is made against the refugee center and fishing village of Son Tra, south of Da Nang. In all, 88 persons are killed and 103 are wounded by mortar and machine gun fire, grenades and explosive charges. Some 450 homes are destroyed leaving 3,000 of the 5,000 persons there homeless.
Later, villagers gathering bamboo to rebuild the center are fired on from ambush.

July 28, 1968: Four gun-wielding terrorists, two of them women, detonate a 60-pound plastique charge in city room of Cholon Daily News, most prominent of city's seven Chinese-language newspapers, after ordering workers out of building; the four escape before police arrive.

September 1, 1968: Doctors at the American Division's 27th Surgical Hospital report two Montagnard women have been brought in for treatment for advanced anemia. It is determined that the North Vietnamese had been systematically draining them of blood for treating their own wounded.

September 12, 1968: A communist report (captured in Binh Duong province) from the Chau Thanh district Security Section to the provincial party Central Committee says that seven prisoners in the district's custody were shot prior to an expected enemy sweep operation: "we killed them to make possible our safe escape," the report says.

September 26, 1968: A grenade is thrown into the crowded Saigon central market, killing one person and wounding 11.

December 11, 1968: A band of terrorists appears at the home of the provincial People's Self-Defense Force chief in Tri Ton, Chau Doc province; they bind his arms with rope and lead him 50 yards from his home where they fire a burst from a submachine gun into his body.

January 6, 1969: The Vietnamese Minister of Education, Dr. Le Minh Tri, is killed when two terrorists on a motorcycle hurl a hand grenade through the window of the car in which he is riding.

February 7, 1969: A satchel charge is exploded in the Can Tho market place, killing one and wounding three.

February 16, 1969: Communists invade and occupy Phuoc My village, Quang Tin province, for several days. Later, survivors describe a series of brutal acts: a 78-year old villager shot for refusing to cut down a tree for a fortification; a 73-year old man killed when he could not or would not leave his home, pleading that infirmities prevented him from walking; an 11-year old boy stabbed; several families grenaded in their homes.

January 19, 1969: A bicycle bomb explodes in a shop in Kien Hoa province (Truc Giang), killing six civilians and wounding 16.

February 24, 1969: Terrorists enter the Catholic Church in Quang Ngai province, assassinate the priest and an altar boy.

February 26, 1969: A bicycle bomb explodes in a shop in Kien Hoa province, killing a child and wounding three other persons.

March 4, 1969: Rector of saigon University, Professor Tran Anh, is shot by motorcycle-riding terrorists; previously he had been notified that he was on the "death list" of something called the "Suicide Regiment of the Saigon Youth Guard."

March 5, 1969: An attempt is made to assassinate Prime Minister Tran Van Huong by hurling a satchel charge against the automobile in which he is riding. The attempt fails and most of the terrorists are captured.

March 6, 1969: An explosive charge explodes next to a wall at Quang Ngai city hospital, killing a maternity patient and destroying two ambulances.

March 9, 1969: Terrorists enter Xom Lang, Go Cong province, take Mrs. Phan Thi Tri from her home to a nearby rice field where they behead her, explaining that her husband had defected from the communists.

March 9, 1969: A band of communists attack Loc An, Loc My and Loc Hung villages in Quang Nam province, killing two adults and kidnaping ten teenage boys.

March 13, 1969: Kon Sitiu and Kon Bobanh, two Montagnard villages in Kontum province, are raided by terrorists; 15 persons killed; 23 kidnaped, two of whom are later executed; three long-houses, a church and a school burned. A hamlet chief is beaten to death. Survivors say the communists' explanation is: "We are teaching you not to cooperate with the government."

March 21, 1969: A Kontum province refugee center is attacked for the second time by a PAVN battalion using mortars and B-40 rockets. Seventeen civilians are killed and 36 wounded, many of
them women and children. A third of the center is destroyed.

April 4, 1969: A pagoda in Quang Nam province is dynamited, killing four persons, wounding 14.

April 9, 1969: Terrorists attack the Phu Binh refugee center, Quang Ngai province and fire 70 houses, leaving 200 homeless. Four persons are kidnaped.

April 11, 1969: A satchel charge explodes in the Dinh Thanh temple, Long Thanh village, Phong Dinh province, wounding four children.

April 15, 1969: An armed propaganda team invades An Ky refugee center, Quang Ngai province, and attempts to force out the people living there; nine are killed and ten others wounded.

April 16, 1969: The Hoa Dai refugee center in Binh Dinh province is invaded by an armed propaganda team. The refugees are urged to return to their former (communist dominated) village, but refuse;
the communists burn 146 houses.

April 19, 1969: Hieu Duc district refugee center, Quang Nam province, is invaded and ten persons kidnaped.

April 23, 1969: Son Tinh district refugee center, Quang Ngai province, is invaded; two women are shot and 10 persons kidnaped.

May 6, 1969: Le Van Gio, 37, is kidnaped and later shot for refusing to pay "taxes" to a communist agent who entered his village of Vinh Phu, An Giang province.

May 8, 1969: Communist sappers detonate a charge outside the Postal-Telephone Building in Saigon's Kennedy Square, killing four civilians and wounding 19.

May 10, 1969: Sappers explode a charge of plastique in Duong Hong, Quang Nam province, killing eight civilians and wounding four.

May 12, 1969: A communist sapper squad attacks Phu My, Binh Dinh province, with satchel charges, rockets and grenades; 10 civilians ar killed, 19 wounded; 87 homes are destroyed.

May 14, 1969: Five communist 122mm rockets land in the residential area of Da Nang, killing five civilians and wounding 18.

June 18, 1969: Three children are wounded when they step on a communist mine while playing near their home in Quan Long (Ca Mau) city, An Xuyen province.

June 19, 1969: In Phu My, Thua Thien province, communists assassinate a 54-year old man and his 70-year old mother.

June 24, 1969: A 122mm communists rocket strikes the Thanh Tam hospital in Ho Nai, Bien Hoa province, killing one patient.

June 30, 1969: Communist mortar shells destroy the Phuoc Long pagoda in Chanh Hiep, Binh Duong province; one Buddhist monk is killed and ten persons wounded.

June 30, 1969: Three members of the People's Self-Defense Force are kidnaped from Phu My, Bien Hoa province.

July 2, 1969: Two communist assassins enter a hamlet office in Thai Phu, Tay Ninh province, shoot and wound the hamlet chief and his deputy.

July 17, 1969: A grenade is thrown into Cho Con market, Da Nang, wounding 13 civilians, most of them women.

April 22, 1960: A communist unit attacks the chieu Hoi center in Vinh Binh province killing five persons, including two women and a youth, and wounding 11 civilians.

July 18, 1979: Police report two incidents of B-40 rockets being fired into trucks on the highway, one in Quang Duc province in which three civilians were wounded and one in Darlac province which killed the driver.

July 19, 1969: Communist seize and shoot Luong Van Thanh, a People's Self-Defense Force member, Tan Hoi Dong, Dinh Tuong province.

July 30, 1969: Communists rocket the refugee center of Hung My, Binh Duong, wounding 76 persons.

August 5, 1969: Two grenades are thrown into the elementary school in Vinh Chau, Quang Nam province, where a school board meeting is taking place. Five persons re killed and 21 are wounded.

August 7, 1969: Communist sappers set off some 30 separate plastique charges in the U.S. Sixth Evacuation Hospital compound, Cam Ranh Bay, killing two and wounding 57 patients.

August 13, 1969: Officials in Saigon report a total of 17 communist terror attacks on refugee centers in Quang Nam and Thua Thien provinces, leaving 23 persons dead, 75 injured and a large number of homes destroyed or damaged.

August 26, 1969: A nine-month-old baby in his mother's arms is shot in the head by terrorists outside Hoa Phat, Quang Nam province; also found dead are three children between ages six and ten, an elderly man, a middle-aged man and a middle-aged woman, a total of seven, all shot at least once in the back of the head.

September 6, 1969: Communists rocket and mortar the trainingcenter of the National Police Field Force in Dalat, Killing fivetrainees and wounding 26.

September 9, 1969: South Vietnamese officials report that nearly 5,000 South Vietnamese civilians have been killed by communist terror during 1969.

September 20, 1969: Communists attack Tu Van refugee center in Quang Ngai province, killing 8 persons and wounding two, all families of local People's Self-Defense Force members. In nearby Binh Son, eight members of a police official's family are killed.

September 24, 1969: A bus hits a mine on Highway 1, north of Duc Tho, Quang Ngai province; 12 passengers are killed.

October 13, 1969: A grenade is thrown in the Vi Thanh City Chieu Hoi center, killing three civilians and wounding 46; about half those wounded are dependents.

October 13, 1969: Communists kidnap a Catholic priest and a lay assistant from the church at Phu Hoi, Bien Hoa province.

October 27, 1969: Communists booby trap the body of a People's Self-Defense Force member whom they have killed. When relatives come to retrieve the body the subsequent explosion kills for of them.

These are just a few of the war crimes committed against the civilian population of South Vietnam--more than enough to indict and convict Vietnamese Communist Party.


mooshle
I'm sorry. I feel like I should apologize or something... even though it really doesn't matter.
TenAnhLaQuoc
Al Qeada is learning from the Vietcong.
1962VW
laugh.gif Where are those little commies now.........?????

I have pics of the Murdered Canal Workers !

Also, I am assembling a series of pics of the VICTIMS of HUE in 1968 ...........................

Half of me wanted to post these pictures, the other half doesn't want any more divisions within the Viet Community........

Back to Topic................The ROK Troops volunteered for Vietnam for 1 reason: to Kill Commies.
GenomVirues
xxx
GenomVirues
Here come the VNCH dogs trying to justify their crime. They have justification for everything even if the victims were little children and infant. To be honest, I'm nor surprise!
blacklight
QUOTE(1962VW @ Sep 4 2007, 05:49 PM) *
Back to Topic................The ROK Troops volunteered for Vietnam for 1 reason: to Kill Commies.

They also killed, abused and tortured a ton of innocent people including pregant women, children, baies and elderly folk. If these are "commies" to you, then you have no business calling yourself Vietnamese. Don't try to justify the unjustifiable because if you do, then you are a willing party to it. Aside from that, the ROK troops did not volunteer to go to Vietnam. The Lindon Baines Johnson Adinistration actually compelled Park Chung Hee to send ROK troops to Vietnam.
blacklight
QUOTE(mooshle @ Sep 4 2007, 04:07 PM) *
I'm sorry. I feel like I should apologize or something... even though it really doesn't matter.

You have nothing to do with this - you have killed no one. You have our good will, little sister.
blacklight
QUOTE(TenAnhLaQuoc @ Sep 4 2007, 04:07 PM) *
These are just a few of the war crimes committed against the civilian population of South Vietnam--more than enough to indict and convict Vietnamese Communist Party.

So TenahLoc, when are you going to treat us to a recital of the crimes of the Saigon dictatorship in the years 1954 through 1960?
blacklight
QUOTE(TenAnhLaQuoc @ Sep 4 2007, 04:11 PM) *
Al Qeada is learning from the Vietcong.

And what specifically did Al-Qaeda learn from the Vietcong, and do you have any proof of your assertion? If you don't have any proof but your goddamn mouth, then I am calling you a goddamn VNCH liar and VNCH whore propagandist.
1962VW
blacklight.................I kid you not !

The Boss in Seoul 'must help' the Yanks, but the Individual ROK Soldiers were Volunteers.(IIRC, they were Hand-Picked also)

There was about 2.5 Divisions of ROK troops in Vietnam............and yet, they controlled vast areas of 'unfriendly' territories.

They achieved this by killing lots of people (old, young,... all).

Put yourself in their boots.......you will see that it wasn't too long ago that the Republic of Korea was nearly exterminated

by Northern Koreans.

This is a Very Bloody Chapter of a Sad War between Viet Brothers and Sisters .
TenAnhLaQuoc
QUOTE(blacklight @ Sep 4 2007, 06:25 PM) *
And what specifically did Al-Qaeda learn from the Vietcong, and do you have any proof of your assertion? If you don't have any proof but your goddamn mouth, then I am calling you a goddamn VNCH liar and VNCH whore propagandist.



Dude, don't you read the news? they are doing like what the Vietcong did more than 30 years ago.

I'm not related to VNCH, So stop your habit of labeling people VNCH.

I think VNCH deserved to lose. They were stupid. Actually, they were not stupid, it's just that the communists were craftier than them.
phreezen
QUOTE(1962VW @ Sep 4 2007, 05:49 PM) *
laugh.gif Where are those little commies now.........?????

I have pics of the Murdered Canal Workers !

Also, I am assembling a series of pics of the VICTIMS of HUE in 1968 ...........................

Half of me wanted to post these pictures, the other half doesn't want any more divisions within the Viet Community........

Back to Topic................The ROK Troops volunteered for Vietnam for 1 reason: to Kill Commies.


Please do...I wait in anticipation..


Let the lies be known. BTW, the hue massacre.....never proven.


If you notice this from the article...
The South Vietnamese government absolved the Koreans, saying that a captured Communist soldier had confessed that he and some comrades had dressed in Korean uniforms and killed the monks.

Notice how the VNCH likes to blame. Here is another incident at Hue that the VNCH blamed on communists. It's a good read, please read it. It states how they massacre monks and blamed it on the communists.


The Diem regime might have mollified inflamed buddhist feelings had it immediately acknowledged responsibility for the military action at Hue and taken other propitiatory steps. Instead it blamed the violence of the Hue incident up Communist terrorists and ignored the Budhhist grievances. Buddhist demonstrations broke out anew in Hue and spread to."

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-4687...TOR-enlargePage
blacklight
QUOTE(1962VW @ Sep 4 2007, 07:33 PM) *
This is a Very Bloody Chapter of a Sad War between Viet Brothers and Sisters .

You are right about that. I believe that there is a lot of decency in you, and I don't want to see throw it away trying to justify actions that you would never take. I know that there a quite a few decent ordinary VNCH, so iyou have to do your part to show everyone what decent VNCH look like.
1962VW
Diem and Hue '68 ????????????????

Come on, you are smarter than this !
blacklight
QUOTE(TenAnhLaQuoc @ Sep 4 2007, 07:42 PM) *
Dude, don't you read the news? they are doing like what the Vietcong did more than 30 years ago.

I expect a specific answer from you, not this crapola of "don't you read the news?" Because my translation of your answer is that you have zero evidence and that you are just mouthing crap without evidence. One more time: refer me to the <b>specific</b> news items that state that Al Qaeda learned from the Viet Cong, or shove your assertion up your rear end.
phreezen
QUOTE(1962VW @ Sep 4 2007, 08:03 PM) *
Diem and Hue '68 ????????????????

Come on, you are smarter than this !



I never said it was the 'Hue Massacre', but 'another incident' at Hue.


TenAnhLaQuoc
QUOTE(blacklight @ Sep 4 2007, 07:06 PM) *
I expect a specific answer from you, not this crapola of "don't you read the news?" Because my translation of your answer is that you have zero evidence and that you are just mouthing crap without evidence. One more time: refer me to the <b>specific</b> news items that state that Al Qaeda learned from the Viet Cong, or shove your assertion up your rear end.


Dude, It's just my opinion. You don't have to agree with it.


Another person who thinks Al Qaeda is learning from the Vietcong:


"Last week, a group of tribal leaders in Salah-ad-Din, the mostly Sunni province due north of Baghdad, agreed to work with the Iraqi government and U.S. forces against Al Qaeda. Then Al Qaeda destroyed the two remaining minarets of the al-Askariya mosque in Samarra, a city in the province.

Coincidence? Perhaps. But Al Qaeda is clearly taking a page from the Viet Cong's book. The terrorists have been mounting a slow-motion Tet offensive of spectacular attacks on markets, bridges and mosques, knowing that the media report each such attack as an American defeat.

The fact is that Al Qaeda is steadily losing its grip in Iraq, and these attacks are alienating its erstwhile Iraqi supporters. But the terrorists are counting on sapping our will as the VC did, and persuading America to choose to lose a war it could win."


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286630,00.html
blacklight
QUOTE(TenAnhLaQuoc @ Sep 4 2007, 08:15 PM) *

Oh yeah, Fox News - the ultimate "experts " on the American War. And I wonder what the source is for their assertion that "Al Qaeda is taking a page from The Viet Cong book" - most likely, their @ssholes. You quoted these ignorant jackasses, so you are mostly off the hook.
ICUQB4UQRU
QUOTE(TenAnhLaQuoc @ Sep 4 2007, 08:15 PM) *
Dude, It's just my opinion. You don't have to agree with it.
Another person who thinks Al Qaeda is learning from the Vietcong:
"Last week, a group of tribal leaders in Salah-ad-Din, the mostly Sunni province due north of Baghdad, agreed to work with the Iraqi government and U.S. forces against Al Qaeda. Then Al Qaeda destroyed the two remaining minarets of the al-Askariya mosque in Samarra, a city in the province.

Coincidence? Perhaps. But Al Qaeda is clearly taking a page from the Viet Cong's book. The terrorists have been mounting a slow-motion Tet offensive of spectacular attacks on markets, bridges and mosques, knowing that the media report each such attack as an American defeat.

The fact is that Al Qaeda is steadily losing its grip in Iraq, and these attacks are alienating its erstwhile Iraqi supporters. But the terrorists are counting on sapping our will as the VC did, and persuading America to choose to lose a war it could win."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286630,00.html


Foxnews is the right wing propaganda machine, that should serve as sufficient loss of credibility to your assertion. However, that is not the point here; fact is, so-called "South Vietnam" was never able to or did so care to protect it people. It was not able to stop the American to enter the war (the American never did ask your "VNCH" did they; that mean your "government"--I will use a nice word here--is a puppet). Nor was "VNCH" do anything to stop rows after rows of whore houses all over the city (I don't blame SOME of those Korean and American, if you act like a whore then should be treated as one); and if you act lame then they can only pretend to give you respect, or the best you can get is pity; and that what you want is it not? If I was to but myself in the shoe of a foreign soldier, I would not give "VNCH" any respect. And if I were live during that time I would have no choice but to joint the Viet Communist to get Vietnam's dignity back.
Suijen
I'm not surprised. The Americans and Chinese were both pissed off at VC strategies.
TenAnhLaQuoc
QUOTE(ICUQB4UQRU @ Sep 4 2007, 07:42 PM) *
Foxnews is the right wing propaganda machine, that should serve as sufficient loss of credibility to your assertion.


Ok, right wingers are not credible, left wingers are kiss.gif . Besides it's purely opinions. You don't have to agree with it.

QUOTE(ICUQB4UQRU @ Sep 4 2007, 07:42 PM) *
However, that is not the point here; fact is, so-called "South Vietnam" was never able to or did so care to protect it people. It was not able to stop the American to enter the war (the American never did ask your "VNCH" did they; that mean your "government"--I will use a nice word here--is a puppet). Nor was "VNCH" do anything to stop rows after rows of whore houses all over the city (I don't blame SOME of those Korean and American, if you act like a whore then should be treated as one); and if you act lame then they can only pretend to give you respect, or the best you can get is pity; and that what you want is it not? If I was to but myself in the shoe of a foreign soldier, I would not give "VNCH" any respect. And if I were live during that time I would have no choice but to joint the Viet Communist to get Vietnam's dignity back.


Your assertion is that I'm a VNCH. This is ridiculous. VNCH is dead. I don't support the resurrection of it.
Please improve your English first. I'm having problems trying to understand what you are saying.

I'm not a VNCH so I'll pass it to the real VNCHs to argue with you.
ICUQB4UQRU
QUOTE(TenAnhLaQuoc @ Sep 4 2007, 09:15 PM) *
Ok, right wingers are not credible, left wingers are. Besides it's purely opinions. You don't have to agree with it.
Your assertion is that I'm a VNCH. This is ridiculous. VNCH is dead. I don't support the resurrection of it.
Please improve your English first. I'm having problems trying to understand what you are saying.

I'm not a VNCH so I'll pass it to the real VNCHs to argue with you.


Amusing, this is the internet not some writing contest; what's the matter lost your touch as a Viet Gian.
Edit: it just occur to me that you did not understand my intentional usage of punctuations in certain places, too bad.
VietAvenger
QUOTE(blacklight @ Sep 4 2007, 07:12 PM) *
They also killed, abused and tortured a ton of innocent people including pregant women, children, baies and elderly folk. If these are "commies" to you, then you have no business calling yourself Vietnamese. Don't try to justify the unjustifiable because if you do, then you are a willing party to it. Aside from that, the ROK troops did not volunteer to go to Vietnam. The Lindon Baines Johnson Adinistration actually compelled Park Chung Hee to send ROK troops to Vietnam.


Agreed. Enough of this anti-"commie" bullshiit, I am no fan of Communism in Vietnam but to say that this was the work of VCs is simply disgusting. VCs maybe politically handicapped, but they are still Vietnamese flesh and blood. Why the hell would they screw over their own people? The fu-king Korean soldiers raped and murdered innocent Vietnamese people--all the while receiving a shiitload of aid. If you read the Korean serious chat forum about the South Korean army, the delusional "Corea Pryde" formers ALWAYS love to boast about their record in the Vietnam war (25:1 kill ratio, my arse). Let's not forget the 18 F-4 Phantoms destined for the South Vietnamese air force were transferred to the South Koreans in '73. In short, the Koreans are only where they are today because of Vietnam ("Vietnam's loss = Korea's gain"). And yet, today, the Koreans even dare to make "propaganda" (TV dramas) about Vietnamese women + Korean men--you never see the opposite, gee I wonder why--like "Hanoi Bride". Korean media today singularly focuses on Korean male-foreign female relationships for reasons I think we all know. Korean propaganda always depicts Vietnam as an exotic place with pretty, but piss poor young women being snatched up by old arse Korean men. It is absolutely and downright disgusting.
TenAnhLaQuoc
Anyone that kills civilians needs to be tried. Be it Koreans, Chinese, Communists, Vietcongs, Americans, VNCH...
landsknechts
QUOTE(VietAvenger @ Sep 4 2007, 06:43 PM) *
Agreed. Enough of this anti-"commie" bullshiit, I am no fan of Communism in Vietnam but to say that this was the work of VCs is simply disgusting. VCs maybe politically handicapped, but they are still Vietnamese flesh and blood. Why the hell would they screw over their own people? The fu-king Korean soldiers raped and murdered innocent Vietnamese people--all the while receiving a shiitload of aid. If you read the Korean serious chat forum about the South Korean army, the delusional "Corea Pryde" formers ALWAYS love to boast about their record in the Vietnam war (25:1 kill ratio, my arse). Let's not forget the 18 F-4 Phantoms destined for the South Vietnamese air force were transferred to the South Koreans in '73. In short, the Koreans are only where they are today because of Vietnam. And yet, today, the Koreans even dare to make "propaganda" (TV dramas) about Vietnamese women + Korean men--you never see the opposite, gee I wonder why--like "Hanoi Bride". Korean media today singularly focuses on Korean male-foreign female relationships for reasons I think we all know. Korean propaganda always depicts Vietnam as an exotic place with pretty, but piss poor young women being snatched up by old arse Korean men. It is absolutely and downright disgusting.

Anyone with a brain and Vietnamese military knowledge regarding this issue would know that 25:1 kill ratio is an impossibe figure considering the fact that no more than 10,000 (I'm extremely generous with the number here) Vietnamese troops faced the Korean for the entire war.
GenomVirues
QUOTE(TenAnhLaQuoc @ Sep 4 2007, 08:46 PM) *
Anyone that kills civilians needs to be tried. Be it Koreans, Chinese, Communists, Vietcongs, Americans...


Thats why we labeled the victim as VC, silly! Have you not learn anything form the good ol days?

Like some traitors said "they're VC!" "the Korean are there to kill commie" etc...

blacklight
QUOTE(GenomVirues @ Sep 4 2007, 10:10 PM) *
Thats why we labeled the victim as VC, silly! Have you not learn anything form the good ol days?

Like some traitors said "they're VC!" "the Korean are there to kill commie" etc...

Give him a break and be fair to him: he said something we can all agree on this time..
EvilAsianDude
That 25:1 ratio didnt come from civilians, it came from several skirmishes against the northern Vietnamese army. Civilian casualties are not factored into combat deaths. 25:1 is a bit of an exaggeration. It was more like 20:1. Still a very impressive record.

ROK commandos
"Their most notable operations were "Operation Van Buren" and the Battle of Hoi An. During "Operation Van Buren," a ROKMC platoon of about 13 people wiped out an elite North Vietnamese Army regiment. There were only 2 Koreans dead and more than 400 NVA soldiers dead."

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/S...a/Default2.html

Another famous example was the battle of tra binh dong in which 294 ROK marines defeated a Northern Vietnamese army of over 2400. Resulting in 303 presumed enemy dead and 2 captured while the ROK marines lost 15 men.

http://cafe3.ktdom.com/vietvet/us/trabinh.htm

Battle of Thuc Co in which ROK lost 7 men while the northern vietnamese army lost over 140.

http://cafe3.ktdom.com/vietvet/us/ducco.htm
tofu101
QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Sep 5 2007, 12:09 AM) *
That 25:1 ratio didnt come from civilians, it came from several skirmishes against the northern Vietnamese army. Civilian casualties are not factored into combat deaths. 25:1 is a bit of an exaggeration. It was more like 18:1. Still a very impressive record.

ROK commandos
"Their most notable operations were "Operation Van Buren" and the Battle of Hoi An. During "Operation Van Buren," a ROKMC platoon of about 13 people wiped out an elite North Vietnamese Army regiment. There were only 2 Koreans dead and more than 400 NVA soldiers dead."

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/S...a/Default2.html

Another famous example was the battle of tra binh dong in which 294 ROK marines defeated a Northern Vietnamese army of over 2400. Resulting in 303 presumed enemy dead and 2 captured while the ROK marines lost 15 men.

http://cafe3.ktdom.com/vietvet/us/trabinh.htm


We're not talking about ROK Vs NVA, we're talking about ROK going on rampage killing thousands of innocent S. Vietnamese civilians. Even my own relatives in Vietnam witness this.
EvilAsianDude
Im replying to VietAvenger(obvious troll who has like a hundred accounts in K-chat) and landsknechts.
tofu101
QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Sep 5 2007, 12:16 AM) *
Im replying to VietAvenger(obvious troll who has like a hundred accounts in K-chat) and landsknechts.


He is probably not even Vietnamese. The fact that he use "Viet" in his screenname to carelessly point out his identity is utterly retarded. The fact that his first thread created was to attack Koreans eating dogs again is utterly retarded. I won't deny he is probably among those other trolls, though he created his acount some time ago, but I have a hard time believing he is actually "Vietnamese."
landsknechts
QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Sep 4 2007, 10:09 PM) *
That 25:1 ratio didnt come from civilians, it came from several skirmishes against the northern Vietnamese army. Civilian casualties are not factored into combat deaths. 25:1 is a bit of an exaggeration. It was more like 18:1. Still a very impressive record.

ROK commandos
"Their most notable operations were "Operation Van Buren" and the Battle of Hoi An. During "Operation Van Buren," a ROKMC platoon of about 13 people wiped out an elite North Vietnamese Army regiment. There were only 2 Koreans dead and more than 400 NVA soldiers dead."

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/S...a/Default2.html

Another famous example was the battle of tra binh dong in which 294 ROK marines defeated a Northern Vietnamese army of over 2400. Resulting in 303 presumed enemy dead and 2 captured while the ROK marines lost 15 men.

http://cafe3.ktdom.com/vietvet/us/trabinh.htm

Boastful Korean's claim with nothing to back up (except those on your side).

And don't make me laugh man, 13 Korean defeated a Vietnamese Regiment?

25 or 18:1 kill ratio is even better than the U.S Army and Airforce combined. I already said this before, if the Korean had that kind of a ratio, they would have been deployed to the battlefields of Vietnam along the Ho Chi Minh trail or the central Highland to face the NVA all day. In fact, the Korean never even got deployed to the Iron Triangle in the South to face just the Viet Cong. Not even 1 single Korean took part in any battle like Quang Tri (Stalingrad of the Vietnam War btw), Ha Lao, or Khe Sanh etc.

The greatest obstacle to the North Vietnamese Army is the heavy air and artillery bombardment by the U.S but they still could not achieve that kind of a kill ratio, let alone Korean with zero bomber.


EvilAsianDude
QUOTE(landsknechts @ Sep 5 2007, 01:27 AM) *
Boastful Korean's claim with nothing to back up (except those on your side).

And don't make me laugh man, 13 Korean defeated a Vietnamese Regiment?

25 or 18:1 kill ratio is even better than the U.S Army and Airforce combined. I already said this before, if the Korean had that kind of a ratio, they would have been deployed to the battlefields of Vietnam along the Ho Chi Minh trail or the central Highland to face the NVA all day. In fact, the Korean never even got deployed to the Iron Triangle in the South to face just the Viet Cong. Not even 1 single Korean took part in any battle like Quang Tri (Stalingrad of the Vietnam War btw), Ha Lao, or Khe Sanh etc.

The greatest obstacle to the North Vietnamese Army is the heavy air and artillery bombardment by the U.S but they still could not achieve that kind of a kill ratio, let alone Korean with zero bomber.


Wait a minute, so basically those 3 sites I gave out do not count as evidence? Yet you claim that Koreas high kill ratio is a lie without even backing it up with evidence of your own. embarassedlaugh.gif. Actually youre the one whos making me laugh. embarassedlaugh.gif

Maybe you dont understand what kill ratios are. Kill ratios are determined by the number of men you lose vs the number of men your enemy loses. Korea lost less men then the northern Vietnamese army... a lot less. Deal with it.
blacklight
QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Sep 5 2007, 01:09 AM) *
That 25:1 ratio didnt come from civilians,

I am calling you a liar.

QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Sep 5 2007, 01:09 AM) *
ROK commandos
"Their most notable operations were "Operation Van Buren" and the Battle of Hoi An. During "Operation Van Buren," a ROKMC platoon of about 13 people wiped out an elite North Vietnamese Army regiment. There were only 2 Koreans dead and more than 400 NVA soldiers dead."

A 13-man commando has enough ammo to wipe out an NVA regiment? And since when do NVA regiments have 400 men only?
tofu101
QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Sep 5 2007, 12:35 AM) *
Wait a minute, so basically those 3 sites I gave out do not count as evidence? Yet you claim that Koreas high kill ratio is a lie without even backing it up with evidence of your own. embarassedlaugh.gif. Actually youre the one whos making me laugh. embarassedlaugh.gif

Maybe you dont understand what kill ratios are. Kill ratios are determined by the number of men you lose vs the number of men your enemy loses. Korea lost less men then the northern Vietnamese army... a lot less. Deal with it.


If you want to talk about embarrassment let's discuss how N. Korea had to use Chinese army to fight during Korean War. Let's discuss how casualties lost in Korea amount to almost the same as Vietnam, but the only difference is Korean war only lasted for 3 years while Vietnam war lasted for an extaggering 16 years. Talk about embarassment. Talktohand.gif
landsknechts
QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Sep 4 2007, 10:35 PM) *
Wait a minute, so basically those 3 sites I gave out do not count as evidence? Yet you claim that Koreas high kill ratio is a lie without even backing it up with evidence of your own. embarassedlaugh.gif. Actually youre the one whos making me laugh. embarassedlaugh.gif

Maybe you dont understand what kill ratios are. Kill ratios are determined by the number of men you lose vs the number of men your enemy loses. Korea lost less men then the northern Vietnamese army... a lot less. Deal with it.

Wait, you don't even understand the reasons that I mentioned why the Korean would never have that kind of a kill ratio against Vietnamese. Those 3 sites are "evidence"? Evidence of what? Evidence based on word of mouth? embarassedlaugh.gif

Take for instance, the 3rd Gold Star division based in Binh Dinh (where Korean also based) had a total combat strength of no more than 2000 for any given year and 99% of it was devoted to fighting against the U.S and South Vietnamese Military, leaving something like 100 to deal with Korean. Like I previously said, the total Vietnamese troops who faced the Korean would be no more than 10,000 for the entire war so there is no way that Korean could have that kind of a kill ratio against Vietnamese. I don't have the exact number of how many Vietnamese troops died from fighting the South Vietnamese, American, ethnic minority mercenaries, Korean etc but the number of Vietnamese troops who died from fighting with Korean would be best estimate at several hundred at most; which makes Vietnamese have a higher kill ratio against the Korean instead, deal with it. embarassedlaugh.gif

tofu101
Not to mention, South Korea is now USA satalite (puppet) state, while Vietnam puppets other states, such as Cambodia and Laos. Though South Korea may be a lot weathlier than Vietnam, most educated Americans respect Vietnam a whole lot better. Ask any historian. We are no one's b!tch; in fact, we b!tch other people. Vietnam as a country is rising. kiss.gif
bigboy
Koreans learned it all from the Japanese
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