Full Version: Opposition reps get own back
CRIES of "Merdeka" rang seven times through parliament yesterday as Lim Kit Siang tried to prove a point on patriotism.
The opposition leader was reprising what Raja Ahmad Zainuddin Raja Omar (BN-Larut) had done in the house last Wednesday, but without similar results.
Lim’s action did not elicit any response from Barisan Nasional backbenchers who refused to take the bait.
They kept quiet, unlike the opposition MPs last week, after having been accused of being unpatriotic for not joining in shouting "Merdeka".
"Does the fact that the BN MPs did not shout ‘Merdeka’ mean that they are not patriotic?" he asked.
Lim said it had been unfair to call opposition MPs less patriotic "as all of you just kept quiet (as he cried out ‘Merdeka’)".
Debating the Supplementary Supply Bill 2007, he said the BN had not been the only party that had contributed to the nation over the last 50 years as the DAP had also helped, among other things, to preserve the rights of individuals.
"Some of us have gone to jail upholding the rights of Malaysians," he said.
isn't this topic should go under Malaysian Serious Talk. anyway a persons who shouts "MERDEKA" doesn't mean he/she is more patriotic than one who doesn't shout. Parliament should table and discuss more important issues but unfortunately Malaysian parliament always like to spend time over nitty gritty issues.
Earlier, a BN MP shouted "merdeka!", but DAP MPs didnt stand up and join the chant. BN then say DAP MPs are unpatriotic. Few days later, DAP MP shouted "merdeka!", but BN MP didnt stand up and join the chant. Hence, following BNs logic, BN MPs are also unpatriotic. Thats the point Kit Siang was trying to prove. Not sure if the BN MPs too dumb to understand this.
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I agree with you. BN shouldn't accuse opposition MPs being unpatriotic just because they didn't join in shouting "Merdeka". If the DAP MPs were indeed unpatriotic then so were the BN MPs as well. Some of the BN MPs are just too free to indulge in this kind of accusations, they should just instead focus more on the more serious issues in parliament.
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Earlier, a BN MP shouted "merdeka!", but DAP MPs didnt stand up and join the chant. BN then say DAP MPs are unpatriotic. Few days later, DAP MP shouted "merdeka!", but BN MP didnt stand up and join the chant. Hence, following BNs logic, BN MPs are also unpatriotic. Thats the point Kit Siang was trying to prove. Not sure if the BN MPs too dumb to understand this.
I agree with you. BN shouldn't accuse opposition MPs being unpatriotic just because they didn't join in shouting "Merdeka". If the DAP MPs were indeed unpatriotic then so were the BN MPs as well. Some of the BN MPs are just too free to indulge in this kind of accusations, they should just instead focus more on the more serious issues in parliament.
I didn't know why Lim Kit Siang also playing BN games. Did he didn't know that how can someone be unpatriotic by not shouting merdeka. Patriotic is subjective subject, it's in our heart and our behaviour.
Our MPs in Parliament are monkeys in a circus.
Let's face it, we're the ones dumb enough to vote the monkeys to power.
Le sigh .....
Let's face it, we're the ones dumb enough to vote the monkeys to power.
Le sigh .....
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I didn't know why Lim Kit Siang also playing BN games. Did he didn't know that how can someone be unpatriotic by not shouting merdeka. Patriotic is subjective subject, it's in our heart and our behaviour.
he knew exactly how subjective patrioticism is, he was doing this in parliament just to take a hit at the BN MPs and as expected he got the result that he had expected
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Our MPs in Parliament are monkeys in a circus.
Let's face it, we're the ones dumb enough to vote the monkeys to power.
Le sigh .....
Let's face it, we're the ones dumb enough to vote the monkeys to power.
Le sigh .....
Not all BN MPs are clowns/monkeys. Obvious example are Shahrir and Zaid Ibrahim. A recent one that was in the news is Wan Junaidi. Some are clowns, some are just shoe polisher, bu*t lickers, some just trying to take care of their own rice bowl, so few doing it for the rakyat. Problem with our system is the MP are being controlled by the Executives as the Executives are normally the party head and will decide if any of the MP will go up for next election. We also have the whip where the MP has to toe party line during voting. Wan Junaidi sum up the frustration of being an MP in his speech about relocating the Parliament. See Malaysiakini.com MP wants Parliament relocated to Putrajaya. I quote part of what he said below. Can get this from hansard as well. Unfortunately there are only few good men to affect positive change. Wondering if he'll be up for next GE.
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Disagreeing, Wan Junaidi Tuanku Jaafar (BN-Santubong) said that the substance of a Parliament (the MPs) is more important than its form (the outlook of the building).
"The substance of the Parliament is the most important thing that we need to look into. We need to focus on the behaviour and mentality of the people who sit in the House," he said.
"Where the Parliament is located is not important, but we have to ensure that it is on par with the judiciary and executive," he added.
"It is about time for us to move towards an independent Parliament, where we are not controlled by the executive."
"All laws are made in the Attorney-General's Chambers (executive) and are later passed down to us (legislative) to be endorsed," he said, adding that it should be the other way around where the Parliament will make the laws which will then be implemented by the executive.
"We need to release our Parliament from the grip of executive to be an independent body of the government. That's what separation of power means as stated in the Federal Constitution."
"The substance of the Parliament is the most important thing that we need to look into. We need to focus on the behaviour and mentality of the people who sit in the House," he said.
"Where the Parliament is located is not important, but we have to ensure that it is on par with the judiciary and executive," he added.
"It is about time for us to move towards an independent Parliament, where we are not controlled by the executive."
"All laws are made in the Attorney-General's Chambers (executive) and are later passed down to us (legislative) to be endorsed," he said, adding that it should be the other way around where the Parliament will make the laws which will then be implemented by the executive.
"We need to release our Parliament from the grip of executive to be an independent body of the government. That's what separation of power means as stated in the Federal Constitution."
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I didn't know why Lim Kit Siang also playing BN games. Did he didn't know that how can someone be unpatriotic by not shouting merdeka. Patriotic is subjective subject, it's in our heart and our behaviour.
Haha. The parliament is a joke.
But agreed with you Betong. Patriotism is a very subjective matter. People express them in many different ways. How can the monkey says that not shouting "Merdeka" means being less patriotic.
No logic to it. I think that BN should send their MPs for some training, to think before they talk. They've embarassed themselves for quite a a bit now.
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