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chucky3176
This article makes me angry

https://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/htm...00709050067.asp

Korea is throwing its hat everything into the surefire loser's pot.

Why Korea wants to break away from an alliance with a country that has given the greatest peace and prosperity that Korea has ever known in its two thousand year history?

Instead, Korea is thinking about joining the other side. This is just terrible and unbelievable. The other side, will undoubtely use us, then spit us out once their
done with us. The leftwing governments of Kim Dae Jung and Roh Mu Hyun are the culprits. They've pushed all our allies away, while cozying up to the Axis of North Korea and China. It's time for Koreans to awaken from this irrational love affair with China and stop protecting and codling them so much.

byungshinzina
lee myung bak he is anti-china political.
of course i will vote him.as next president..
guess,,,who are korea,s future,enemy,,
korean all know it icon_twisted.gif
AsiaGayest
when you say "alliance" you refer to the big power that has been protecting us and building troops on our soil. But seriously, I wonder if they'd still consider us as an "ally" now after the hostage incident. Who can trust whom these days? America and Japan aren't as close as they were, China and North Korea were never friends except the korean war period. The best solution for Korea is to maintain its current relationship with America, Japan, China, Russia and even North Korea, while keep making them cash money.
americandream
QUOTE(chucky3176 @ Sep 4 2007, 05:47 PM) *
This article makes me angry

https://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/htm...00709050067.asp

Korea is throwing its hat everything into the surefire loser's pot.

Why Korea wants to break away from an alliance with a country that has given the greatest peace and prosperity that Korea has ever known in its two thousand year history?

Instead, Korea is thinking about joining the other side. This is just terrible and unbelievable. The other side, will undoubtely use us, then spit us out once their
done with us. The leftwing governments of Kim Dae Jung and Roh Mu Hyun are the culprits. They've pushed all our allies away, while cozying up to the Axis of North Korea and China. It's time for Koreans to awaken from this irrational love affair with China and stop protecting and codling them so much.


korea's future friends?
North Korea, Iran, and of course the Taliban

Enemies?
Themselves
byungshinzina
QUOTE(americandream @ Sep 5 2007, 09:37 PM) *
korea's future friends?
North Korea, Iran, and of course the Taliban

Enemies?
Themselves

north korea is our brothers
must be unity
but wtf ? iran,,taleban??
noone care for them laugh.gif they all to be die or be killed or be eraserd on the earth laugh.gif
bangaroo
QUOTE(byungshinzina @ Sep 5 2007, 10:54 PM) *
north korea is our brothers
must be unity
but wtf ? iran,,taleban??
noone care for them laugh.gif they all to be die or be killed or be eraserd on the earth laugh.gif



SK's future alliance will be Turkey, Israel, France, and Japan. (i.e. SK have no choice to join with Japan as SK don't want any problems with closest-neighbors). may be Taiwan, as I've Taiwan wants closer relationship with SK, so far it has improved.

SK's future enemies will be Islamic fundamentals (i.e. Taliban), and PRC.

SK's nuetral relation will be India, Iran, Pakis, US, Britsh and may be Russia. Not too sure about NK, will they be able to survive until then?

Nearly everyone's enemy will be one mighty CHINA. Don't know why, but I guess everyone is feeling heat from China.

If there is going to be any WW, the it will be between CHINA VS rest of the World. may be Taliban & Pakis will join China as autonomous state of Islamic Pakistan under China's regime.
tofu101
Honestly, if you think about it Vietnam will be one of Korea's most reliable allie in the future because Vietnam has good relationship with both North and South Korea. We even send food to North Korea regularly and recently donated some money for floods.
heosuabi
maybe the US sell S.korea interest to Russia. So that two koreas can unify and develope econ cooperation with Russia.

Russia has huge huge amount of natural resources. It needs technology and smarts to develop and manage those.

S.Korea benefit by receiving space tech. experts from Russia.

bangaroo
QUOTE(tofu101 @ Sep 6 2007, 01:49 AM) *
Honestly, if you think about it Vietnam will be one of Korea's most reliable allie in the future because Vietnam has good relationship with both North and South Korea. We even send food to North Korea regularly and recently donated some money for floods.


Yes, Vietnam, I forgot. Vietnam is highly likley join SK as friend after all they too feels heat from China.
rebounder
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Eastern_Knight
Yay! more trolls! WOOOOOOOOO.
snowwolflake
QUOTE(Eastern_Knight @ Sep 17 2007, 05:43 AM) *
Yay! more trolls! WOOOOOOOOO.


This is Asiafinest after all laugh.gif

Back to the topic, there are no absolutes in international geopolitics-often designations of 'potential adversaries' turn out to be self fulfilling.

In the case of the ROK:

Allies: USA, Japan (if both your countries stop the flow of accusations and counter accusations, get over Yakusuni and solve the Dokdo/Tsushima mess), EU countries, Australia

Unknown: PRC (issues over US basing, support for North Korea), Russia (both countries have highly opportunistic foreign policies but Russia should remain neutral towards ROK in thenext 20-30yrs)

Adversaries: North Korea

You can pretty much tell from this list the future.
dranthrax
bangaroo:

Are you seriously considering Japan to be your future new best friend? from what i know, the country has tried to annex your peninsula at least 3 times in the past 1000 years.
NeoAsiatic
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SantaKlaws
QUOTE(NeoAsiatic @ Oct 18 2007, 04:07 AM) *
there are many lantent japanophilia in South Korea. most of japanese collabarators during Japanese colonization of Korea were from the south. don't you know that? The ones that are really anti-Japanese are north koreans.


On the contrary, prior to the nuclear crisis and China's eventual exploitation of North Korea, North Korea's biggest trade partner was Japan.
Vovinam
Korea has and needs no friends, except for maybe blood brother Turkey. The ROK army and navy is the world's strongest military, no one dares to threaten Korea!
bpark4
QUOTE(Vovinam @ Oct 17 2007, 02:10 PM) *
Korea has and needs no friends, except for maybe blood brother Turkey. The ROK army and navy is the world's strongest military, no one dares to threaten Korea!


you sound ignorant & you sound like you have no friends
everyone needs friends
Korea needs China, Japan, and all Asian countries to suceed. And U.S. military to survive
KJlost
And you need your anti-psychosis drug. Now go troll elsewhere.
SejongTheGreat
Enemy? America, China, Japan is their enemy.

Korea doesn't need anyone. Everyone tries to force their way in.

bangaroo
Enemy of enemy is Korea's best friend - Japan is our next friend (sounds bit awkward but that's how will be turn out).
NeoAsiatic
banned
SantaKlaws
Ignore the troll, just report the retard.
NeoAsiatic
banned
TheHero
QUOTE(AsiaGayest @ Sep 5 2007, 09:02 PM) *
when you say "alliance" you refer to the big power that has been protecting us and building troops on our soil. But seriously, I wonder if they'd still consider us as an "ally" now after the hostage incident. Who can trust whom these days? America and Japan aren't as close as they were, China and North Korea were never friends except the korean war period. The best solution for Korea is to maintain its current relationship with America, Japan, China, Russia and even North Korea, while keep making them cash money.


The Bush administration was Korea's enemy in hostage crisis. A different US government will be praised in South Korea.
master_fx
QUOTE(bangaroo @ Oct 18 2007, 09:03 PM) *
Enemy of enemy is Korea's best friend - Japan is our next friend (sounds bit awkward but that's how will be turn out).

biggthumpup.gif wana get colonize again? lol
enomosiki
QUOTE(master_fx @ Nov 5 2007, 10:25 PM) *
biggthumpup.gif wana get colonize again? lol


We'll worry about that after China has turned into a parking lot.
kitaisabaka
korea ally country = US ,
can join ally RUSSIA .INDIA,. mongol. khazahstan,
and even possible ally = japan and roc (becoz they are democracy country)
beerchug.gif
Protoculture
Seriously speaking, in terms of close military alliance: US & Japan.

Economic wise: China.

As for enemies, say hello to your fellow brethrens & cousins in North Korea, eveready to spam you with arty & Scuds misiles.
kitaisabaka
north korea is not enemy
north korea is our brother
s korean think

north korea is a part of korea
master_fx
QUOTE(enomosiki @ Nov 6 2007, 03:42 AM) *
We'll worry about that after China has turned into a parking lot.

never, unlike koreans we chinese will fight to our last men like we did during WWII.
enomosiki
QUOTE(master_fx @ Nov 8 2007, 10:02 PM) *
never, unlike koreans we chinese will fight to our last men like we did during WWII.


I guess you can't even remember your own country's history. Ever heard of the Long March?
master_fx
QUOTE(enomosiki @ Nov 8 2007, 10:40 PM) *
I guess you can't even remember your own country's history. Ever heard of the Long March?

not sure which one ur referring coz there is one where communist is escaping from the chinese nationalist's encirclement and there is a long march by the chinese expeditionary troops to Bruma to help british fight japanese.
Red Fox Ace
This is extremely difficult to predict, because the situation changes every day and a former enemy becomes friend, and friend enemy.


In 2020, I'd predict:

1) China is the main enemy
2) North Korea will have fallen behind so much that it is nearly irrelevant, in fact may even be an ally or unified
3) Japan may be a best friend, or fierce rival
4) Russia may be an ally depending on how it perceives China. If it sees China as friendly, then Russia may be hostile to South Korea.
5) South Korea will have cold relations with the USA.

SejongTheGreat
China main enemy? Why would anyone think that? They are relatively closest and been ally with Korea the longest. If anything Korea would probably ally with China than some western power that is thousands of miles away.
baal
QUOTE(Red Fox Ace @ Nov 10 2007, 09:03 AM) *
....In 2020, I'd predict:

5) South Korea will have cold relations with the USA.


Interesting. Why?
SantaKlaws
QUOTE(SejongTheGreat @ Nov 11 2007, 02:35 AM) *
China main enemy? Why would anyone think that? They are relatively closest and been ally with Korea the longest. If anything Korea would probably ally with China than some western power that is thousands of miles away.


1. You need to pay more attention to some of the discussions on China threat on AF. Who would think that, you ask. Majority of Koreans consider China the greatest threat in the next decade, and Koreans have the most negative view in the world on China's military and economic growth.

2. Learn some history.
SantaKlaws
QUOTE(Red Fox Ace @ Nov 11 2007, 02:03 AM) *
This is extremely difficult to predict, because the situation changes every day and a former enemy becomes friend, and friend enemy.
In 2020, I'd predict:

1) China is the main enemy
2) North Korea will have fallen behind so much that it is nearly irrelevant, in fact may even be an ally or unified
3) Japan may be a best friend, or fierce rival
4) Russia may be an ally depending on how it perceives China. If it sees China as friendly, then Russia may be hostile to South Korea.
5) South Korea will have cold relations with the USA.


I agree with most of it except for 5). SK's relations with USA will start improving once the current anti-American president is out of office for good. But if Korea forms some kind of strategic relations with Russia or even Japan, yeah I guess it's possible that relations between SK and US won't be as good. Then again, I don't see much of a possibility for a strategic relations between SK and Russia and Japan.
master_fx
QUOTE(SejongTheGreat @ Nov 10 2007, 12:35 PM) *
China main enemy? Why would anyone think that? They are relatively closest and been ally with Korea the longest. If anything Korea would probably ally with China than some western power that is thousands of miles away.

dude, u cant possibly ask ppl to ally with u when we being occupying and mistreat them in the past.
SejongTheGreat
QUOTE(SantaKlaws @ Nov 10 2007, 05:23 PM) *
1. You need to pay more attention to some of the discussions on China threat on AF. Who would think that, you ask. Majority of Koreans consider China the greatest threat in the next decade, and Koreans have the most negative view in the world on China's military and economic growth.

2. Learn some history.


1. So you are saying America's military and economic growth isn't a threat to Korea? Why is China the only threat? Please enlighten me.

2. Oh I learned history just fine.
SejongTheGreat
QUOTE(master_fx @ Nov 10 2007, 09:29 PM) *
dude, u cant possibly ask ppl to ally with u when we being occupying and mistreat them in the past.



You think being occupied and mistreated by America is okay?
SantaKlaws
QUOTE(SejongTheGreat @ Nov 11 2007, 03:36 PM) *
1. So you are saying America's military and economic growth isn't a threat to Korea? Why is China the only threat? Please enlighten me.

2. Oh I learned history just fine.


That majority of Koreans consider China the greatest threat in the next decade, and Koreans have the most negative view in the world on China's military and economic growth are not my personal opinions, but statements of fact. The reasons why China is a threat to Korea has been discussed extensively at AF for quite some time, so you don't need to look far to see the reasons behind the China threat.

If you really did learn Korean history, then you'd know that it's dubious to claim that "China" was for the longest "ally" of Korea, because Korean kingdoms allied with different Chinese kingdoms to hold other Chinese kingdoms at bay, and Chinese also invaded Korea many times, more so than the Japanese.
KJlost
QUOTE(SejongTheGreat @ Nov 11 2007, 01:37 AM) *
You think being occupied and mistreated by America is okay?


Who's occupying what now? Go study geopolitics you cretin. Americans only knock around weak and enfeebled states (Americans, you can't exactly deny this). Chines on the other hand, have gone to wars with te Indians, Soviets, the Vietnamese.... You tell me who's got the treatening track record out of the two in th last 50 years.
SejongTheGreat
QUOTE(KJlost @ Nov 11 2007, 02:41 PM) *
Who's occupying what now? Go study geopolitics you cretin. Americans only knock around weak and enfeebled states (Americans, you can't exactly deny this). Chines on the other hand, have gone to wars with te Indians, Soviets, the Vietnamese.... You tell me who's got the treatening track record out of the two in th last 50 years.


name calling (persona attack) has been reported.

Last time I checked American soldiers are in Korea occupying.
SejongTheGreat
QUOTE(SantaKlaws @ Nov 11 2007, 04:37 AM) *
That majority of Koreans consider China the greatest threat in the next decade, and Koreans have the most negative view in the world on China's military and economic growth are not my personal opinions, but statements of fact. The reasons why China is a threat to Korea has been discussed extensively at AF for quite some time, so you don't need to look far to see the reasons behind the China threat.

If you really did learn Korean history, then you'd know that it's dubious to claim that "China" was for the longest "ally" of Korea, because Korean kingdoms allied with different Chinese kingdoms to hold other Chinese kingdoms at bay, and Chinese also invaded Korea many times, more so than the Japanese.


You took votes of all Koreans? Perhaps Koreans have negative view of Chinese because of American oppression towards Koreans.

America is no saint either. I say we kick both China and America out. They're looking out is for their interests. NOT Koreans.
SantaKlaws
QUOTE(SejongTheGreat @ Nov 12 2007, 04:30 AM) *
You took votes of all Koreans? Perhaps Koreans have negative view of Chinese because of American oppression towards Koreans.


What the fu-king hell? I know of Chinese oppression towards Tibetans and some of the other ethnic minorities in Chinese occupied territories, but I know of no American oppression towards Koreans. And my statements on Koreans' perception of China were from surveys based on reliable statistics with probability sampling.

QUOTE
America is no saint either. I say we kick both China and America out. They're looking out is for their interests. NOT Koreans.


They're looking out for their interests, but the US shares mutual interests with Korea - kick China out, keep it out and keep it in a corner.

QUOTE
name calling (persona attack) has been reported. Last time I checked American soldiers are in Korea occupying.


Korea is very much a sovereign nation, unlike Tibet, so your concern for "American occupation" is unnecessary.
meiyou
The same old audio tape of anti-China propaganda just keeps going, going, and going. What an useless and brainless thread! laugh.gif

An interesting blog: http://silkstreet.wordpress.com/2007/10/24...to-split-china/

Apparently South Koreans have exterior motives to see China being fragmented. Just so they can steal Chinese territory. I wonder why there are several South Korean radicals spewing lies about China on this board. icon_rolleyes.gif
baal
China has its rightful place in the world. No one can deny that. But that rightful place does not include Korea. Korea's destiny is complete independence, reunification and absolute freedom from foreign domination. Whatever the past may have been, America does not dominate Korea today. American forces will remain in Korea until either of the following events occurs: (1) The Korean people through their government ask us to leave, or (2) The Korean people turn hostile to the American people. Remember, American forces vacated Subic Bay Naval Base and Clark Air Force Base when asked by the government of the PI.
SejongTheGreat
QUOTE(SantaKlaws @ Nov 11 2007, 06:53 PM) *
What the fu-king hell? I know of Chinese oppression towards Tibetans and some of the other ethnic minorities in Chinese occupied territories, but I know of no American oppression towards Koreans. And my statements on Koreans' perception of China were from surveys based on reliable statistics with probability sampling.


We all know Korea's views towards Chinese are skewed. Well I know that you favor America than anything else so you are programmed to say those things.


QUOTE
They're looking out for their interests, but the US shares mutual interests with Korea - kick China out, keep it out and keep it in a corner.


You got me there. I'm a realist not some stupid $hit who needs to side with someone who are really oppressed. Chinese needs to be stopped along with America however.

QUOTE
Korea is very much a sovereign nation, unlike Tibet, so your concern for "American occupation" is unnecessary.


Korea only favors America and nothing else. Even emulating American culture. To me that's not a sovereign nation.


Captain Corea
QUOTE(SejongTheGreat @ Nov 11 2007, 07:19 PM) *
Korea only favors America and nothing else. Even emulating American culture. To me that's not a sovereign nation.


Then you should learn what sovereign means.

Emulation does not equal loss of sovereignty.

If a country (or a gov. chosen by the people) choose to emulate something, THAT is sovereignty. Being forced to conform is a lose of sovereignty.
Aerain
Why do you have to take word for word everything he says?
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