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moviez
Has anyone noticed Chinese people are not as united as other races ( example : Caucasian, Vietnamese, Korean etc) ?

I always wondered why the Chinese people are not united.
Even if you are talking about our history , we have been at war with almost no one but ourselves. Is it true that we are just selfish and brave to stand up against our own kind but not to others. I have seen Chinese people fight each other more then we fight anyone else even if you watch young and dangerous or any of the movies they just like to beat each other up.

I envy the top 3 most united race on earth :

1. Jews
2. White People
3. Japanese


A Portugese friend once told me that it is part of the Jewish faith (religion) to look after for each other. No wonder the Jewish people are so successful.



Conclusion : Are we Chinese really like a "一 盤散 沙" ?
the_falcon
QUOTE(moviez @ Sep 5 2007, 08:05 AM) *
we have been at war with almost no one but ourselves.



HAHAHAHAHAHA ....................... embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ8Hpumbbpc

Jaimu-Jaimu
QUOTE(moviez @ Sep 5 2007, 03:05 PM) *
1. Jews
2. White People
3. Japanese

Because they've never fought a couple of world wars amongst themselves? embarassedlaugh.gif
tofu101
The Vietnamese race being united is not completely true. In Vietnam, yes, they are quite united due to government propaganda. Viet overseas? No, b/c some 30 years ago Americans butt in and tore us apart. Now there is a VNCH vs VC stigma. For awhile many VNCH felt it's Viet Congs fault for Vietnam being poor, while ignoring the fact that America was there bombing the $hit out of Vietnam for 16 years. Now Vietnam is rising and all they can complain about is human related issues. However, the younger generation Vietnamese usually do not share such mentality as the older generation. We understand America's responsibility in Vietnam was not entirely "humane." Regardless, many Vietnamese (both old and young generation) are returning to Vietnam to invest and help as much as they can.
tofu101
Also, the Koreans being united is not completely true either. I wouldn't say South and North Koreans are the best of friends. Once again, who is to blame? *cough*America*cough*

I think the Korean situation would be the same as the Vietnamese if N. Korea had won the war. There would be a huge immigration wave of S. Koreans to USA with anti-North Korean stigma. So, I think Vietnamese situation right now is quite understandable, though it applies mostly to older generation Vietnamese.
LaoShare
QUOTE(moviez @ Sep 5 2007, 06:05 AM) *
Has anyone noticed Chinese people are not as united as other races ( example : Caucasian, Vietnamese, Korean etc) ?

I always wondered why the Chinese people are not united.
Even if you are talking about our history , we have been at war with almost no one but ourselves. Is it true that we are just selfish and brave to stand up against our own kind but not to others. I have seen Chinese people fight each other more then we fight anyone else even if you watch young and dangerous or any of the movies they just like to beat each other up.

I envy the top 3 most united race on earth :

1. Jews
2. White People
3. Japanese
A Portugese friend once told me that it is part of the Jewish faith (religion) to look after for each other. No wonder the Jewish people are so successful.

Conclusion : Are we Chinese really like a "一 盤散 沙" ?
I use to think the same but not anymore.
There is no other civilization as old and as huge as us; if there is, maybe then even the Jew will be worse than us.

Compare to our next door neighbor>> India, we are way better; don't you agree?


Yes we have still many difficulties to solve, but I think many other races out there wish they are in the Chinese big circle. Search deeper and you will find many half Chinese are now really proud of their Chinese blood, which were never the case ten years ago.
SkyLegenD
告诉一下大家,请下次Post这种Topic,不要用英文.
Tenjikuronin
QUOTE(LaoShare @ Sep 5 2007, 08:28 AM) *
Compare to our next door neighbor>> India, we are way better; don't you agree?

What is that supposed to mean? Talktohand.gif
SinoPak
QUOTE(moviez @ Sep 5 2007, 09:05 PM) *
Has anyone noticed Chinese people are not as united as other races ( example : Caucasian, Vietnamese, Korean etc) ?

I always wondered why the Chinese people are not united.
Even if you are talking about our history , we have been at war with almost no one but ourselves. Is it true that we are just selfish and brave to stand up against our own kind but not to others. I have seen Chinese people fight each other more then we fight anyone else even if you watch young and dangerous or any of the movies they just like to beat each other up.

I envy the top 3 most united race on earth :

1. Jews
2. White People
3. Japanese
A Portugese friend once told me that it is part of the Jewish faith (religion) to look after for each other. No wonder the Jewish people are so successful.

Conclusion : Are we Chinese really like a "一 盤散 沙" ?




3 groups of peoples are anti-Chinese : White American (KKK), Japanese, Malay (Islamic Fundamentalists)
moviez
QUOTE(SkyLegenD @ Sep 5 2007, 11:34 AM) *
告诉一下大家,请下次Post这种Topic,不要用英文.


Why ? Your english is very good .

I am using WinXP (English version) so I can only post in English language.
SinoPak
QUOTE(moviez @ Sep 6 2007, 01:09 AM) *
Why ? Your english is very good .

I am using WinXP (English version) so I can only post in English language.



Please Language Pack or East Asian Language support
moviez
QUOTE(SinoPak @ Sep 5 2007, 01:24 PM) *
Please Language Pack or East Asian Language support


I have language pack installed. I mean I will have to install "Chinese input" softwares in order to post messages in Chinese here.

QUOTE(Tenjikuronin @ Sep 5 2007, 12:58 PM) *
What is that supposed to mean? Talktohand.gif


No school for you today ?
Tenjikuronin
QUOTE(moviez @ Sep 5 2007, 10:29 AM) *
No school for you today ?

Lol...college starts late on the West Coast. I'm annoying you from home today.
LaoShare
QUOTE(Tenjikuronin @ Sep 5 2007, 09:58 AM) *
What is that supposed to mean? Talktohand.gif
Don't mean to offend any one.

QUOTE
告诉一下大家,请下次Post这种Topic,不要用英文.
You have a point there.

shaokhan
QUOTE(moviez @ Sep 5 2007, 08:05 AM) *
Has anyone noticed Chinese people are not as united as other races ( example : Caucasian, Vietnamese, Korean etc) ?

I always wondered why the Chinese people are not united.
Even if you are talking about our history , we have been at war with almost no one but ourselves. Is it true that we are just selfish and brave to stand up against our own kind but not to others. I have seen Chinese people fight each other more then we fight anyone else even if you watch young and dangerous or any of the movies they just like to beat each other up.

I envy the top 3 most united race on earth :

1. Jews
2. White People
3. Japanese
A Portugese friend once told me that it is part of the Jewish faith (religion) to look after for each other. No wonder the Jewish people are so successful.

Conclusion : Are we Chinese really like a "一 盤散 沙" ?


Jews aren't a single race.

Ever heard of Neuterai karta?

And i don't know what you mean by white people.

B.ZhangMidshipman
QUOTE(moviez @ Sep 5 2007, 06:05 AM) *
Has anyone noticed Chinese people are not as united as other races ( example : Caucasian, Vietnamese, Korean etc) ?

I always wondered why the Chinese people are not united.
Even if you are talking about our history , we have been at war with almost no one but ourselves. Is it true that we are just selfish and brave to stand up against our own kind but not to others. I have seen Chinese people fight each other more then we fight anyone else even if you watch young and dangerous or any of the movies they just like to beat each other up.

I envy the top 3 most united race on earth :

1. Jews
2. White People
3. Japanese

A Portugese friend once told me that it is part of the Jewish faith (religion) to look after for each other. No wonder the Jewish people are so successful.

Conclusion : Are we Chinese really like a "一 盤散 沙" ?


Please don't make the most widely held misconception about Jews.

Being Jewish has very little to do with religion, many Israelis are atheists; it's all about the connection through Bloodlines.

QUOTE(shaokhan @ Sep 5 2007, 07:47 PM) *
Jews aren't a single race.

Ever heard of Neuterai karta?

And i don't know what you mean by white people.



OK who the hell is this troll who keeps signing up with Mortal Kombat names???

It's obvious that you and ShangTsung are one in the same person, did you get banned under your ShangTsung username???


BTW, I agree with you to say that Jews aren't a single race; and neither are Whites. They are both branches of the Caucasian Race; but grouping them as people, those two are of the most danger towards us.
pegasus
Sad to say unity is the low point among Chinese. Chinese are more concern about $$ than anything else. Greedy, maybe too greedy, Chinese rip off/cheat other chinese for $$. You got money, you're the man, no money f_ck off man, sad to say it's one of the Chinese culture. thumbsdown.gif
riversouth
greedy, selfish, and arrogant are probably the main reasons why chinese aren't united.

taiwan is the key to china future, as far as unification.

i support taiwan and china unification because of many similarity in culture, ancestor trait, and future political concern.

who care if they have different governmental system, as long as they are both han descendant, they need to be united.

if taiwan establishes official independent, they will become a foreign ally and betray their mother country, china. thats why china should keeps taiwan as their colonial state to avoid taiwan from moving further away from china.

and if taiwan wants independent, thats fine too but taiwan and china need a friendship diplomacy that they will fight side by side till the end.

a mutual relationship such as british and united state, is a good example.
bangaroo
QUOTE(riversouth @ Sep 5 2007, 11:54 PM) *
greedy, selfish, and arrogant are probably the main reasons why chinese aren't united.

taiwan is the key to china future, as far as unification.

i support taiwan and china unification because of many similarity in culture, ancestor trait, and future political concern.

who care if they have different governmental system, as long as they are both han descendant, they need to be united.

if taiwan establishes official independent, they will become a foreign ally and betray their mother country, china. thats why china should keeps taiwan as their colonial state to avoid taiwan from moving further away from china.

and if taiwan wants independent, thats fine too but taiwan and china need a friendship diplomacy that they will fight side by side till the end.

a mutual relationship such as british and united state, is a good example.


Taiwan is totally China anway from their majority ppl to languages and much more, but do Taiwanese wants to unite with China?, may be if China is democratic nation, as long as China remain Commi, Taiwan will not unite with China. At least Japan & USA will try stop Taiwan becoming China.

Btw, Taiwan have native folks which is not considered as Han.

Taiwan will likely go independent if US accept it, but does China will accept this? I don't think so.
riversouth
QUOTE(bangaroo @ Sep 6 2007, 12:15 AM) *
Taiwan is totally China anway from their majority ppl to languages and much more, but do Taiwanese wants to unite with China?, may be if China is democratic nation, as long as China remain Commi, Taiwan will not unite with China. At least Japan & USA will try stop Taiwan becoming China.

Btw, Taiwan have native folks which is not considered as Han.

Taiwan will likely go independent if US accept it, but does China will accept this? I don't think so.

the KMT supports unification while the DPP does not in taiwan.

yea there are native taiwanese but they are outnumbered by han descendant by 10 to 1. embarassedlaugh.gif

over 90% of taiwanese population are han chinese, with a sub ethic group belong to original taiwan native anyway.

thats why we should put political differences aside, and focus on better future for both.

to be honest, CCP don't really care if taiwan is independent or run by democracy.

that was never the case with the CCP.

all they want is taiwan to be china's colony under the UN's world recognition.

taiwan can keep their culture, political system, and independent military operation.

CCP does not want taiwan forming an alliance with the USA, because that would be another threat to china in asia.
ZenZasian
QUOTE(moviez @ Sep 5 2007, 09:05 AM) *
Has anyone noticed Chinese people are not as united as other races ( example : Caucasian, Vietnamese, Korean etc) ?

I always wondered why the Chinese people are not united.
Even if you are talking about our history , we have been at war with almost no one but ourselves. Is it true that we are just selfish and brave to stand up against our own kind but not to others. I have seen Chinese people fight each other more then we fight anyone else even if you watch young and dangerous or any of the movies they just like to beat each other up.

I envy the top 3 most united race on earth :

1. Jews
2. White People
3. Japanese
A Portugese friend once told me that it is part of the Jewish faith (religion) to look after for each other. No wonder the Jewish people are so successful.

Conclusion : Are we Chinese really like a "一 盤散 沙" ?


Its worse than a lack of unity and more like bitter infighting and hatred, even between brothers. Chinese never help other Chinese and hope the worse for each other as they see one another as rivals and not friends/brothers.
miss_merisha
QUOTE(SkyLegenD @ Sep 6 2007, 02:34 AM) *
告诉一下大家,请下次Post这种Topic,不要用英文.


好!
ice_ice_74
Yes I do agree with 'moviez' that the jewish is one that i think are most united follow by japanese. As 'moviez' said "Jewish people are so successful", smart and rich too icon_smile.gif One of the famous one that we all know is "Steven Allan Spielberg".

I burst into laugher when I read 'riversouth' comments coz I totally agreed that "greedy, selfish, and arrogant are probably the main reasons why chinese aren't united." even though I'm chinese.
moviez
QUOTE(B.ZhangMidshipman @ Sep 5 2007, 11:04 PM) *
Please don't make the most widely held misconception about Jews.

Being Jewish has very little to do with religion, many Israelis are atheists; it's all about the connection through Bloodlines.
OK who the hell is this troll who keeps signing up with Mortal Kombat names???


"it's all about the connection through Bloodlines." ? Explain how do Black Jews, European Jews and Asian Jews connect through
bloodlines. Asian Jews and Black Jews (Ethiopian) are often discriminated in Israel.

QUOTE(ZenZasian @ Sep 6 2007, 01:35 AM) *
Its worse than a lack of unity and more like bitter infighting and hatred, even between brothers. Chinese never help other Chinese and hope the worse for each other as they see one another as rivals and not friends/brothers.



What you said is true. A Chinese see other Chinese as enemy.






We Chinese need something to unite us all. Religion would be a good choice. Just look at how united the Jews and Muslims are. They --> "一 呼百應"





snowwolflake
QUOTE(moviez @ Sep 6 2007, 06:12 PM) *
What you said is true. A Chinese see other Chinese as enemy.
We Chinese need something to unite us all. Religion would be a good choice. Just look at how united the Jews and Muslims are. They --> "一 呼百應"


Like what?

The Great Cult of Chairman Mao's Penis?

Chinese/Han have always been realists, they always look to the material before the ideological-hence the emphasis on food in Chinese society and the almost fanatical psychological connotations of getting enough to eat.

Religion as an abstract "glue" of sorts will never work with realists-which about 95% of the Chinese population are.


chitownbroker
QUOTE(shaokhan @ Sep 5 2007, 07:47 PM) *
Jews aren't a single race.

Ever heard of Neuterai karta?

And i don't know what you mean by white people.


Duh... you know very well what he meant. No need to get all technical now. If you don't know what white people are, what would you consider english and germans? You're probably going to come back at me with some dumb anthropology term now.
nemesis89
im a chinese and based on my experiences in hong kong,mainland,and some overseas australian chinese communities.I came to the conclusion that we chinese is indeed one of the most dis-unified ethnicity on Earth.
First off,Taiwanese hates mainland chinese,they hate the idea of reunification(i dont give a $hit) and always critisize mainland chinese,some of them also dislike southern chinese and most love japanese.
Mainland chinese who is able to go overseas from my observation are always sticking to their own mainland chinese social groups,note its mainland chinese,that means no cantonese,sometimes some taiwanese can be found.
Southern chinese or cantonese speaker dislike mainland chinese with a passion and are always the ones putting them down,imo,cantonese are one of the rudest group of people based on my observation on overseas students.always spitting or hurling insults,thogh im not sure if its part of their culture.

most of my friends are from singapore,china(mainland),vietnam..Some cantonese are good,but most think they are the most superior of the chinese social enclaves,well if ur one of them,reading this reply rite now,i say:"why dont u keep ur fu-king ignorant opinions to urself?if ur reli so superior,why is ur tolerance(心胸) so minimal?u are disgusting..do u realize it or do i have to spit it to ur face because i thought i coulda gave u some saving grace"

Seriously,why cant we all juz fu-king get along?

Is 5000 years of history(take a look at it,its wartorn)not enough?shall we continue another thousand year?

nvm.i stop my rant now.most people dont learn unless somethin drastic changes their life,thank god im not one of them.maybe ignorance is bliss:)
BHK Loyalist
QUOTE(riversouth @ Sep 6 2007, 01:32 AM) *
the KMT supports unification while the DPP does not in taiwan.

yea there are native taiwanese but they are outnumbered by han descendant by 10 to 1. embarassedlaugh.gif

over 90% of taiwanese population are han chinese, with a sub ethic group belong to original taiwan native anyway.

thats why we should put political differences aside, and focus on better future for both.

to be honest, CCP don't really care if taiwan is independent or run by democracy.

that was never the case with the CCP.

all they want is taiwan to be china's colony under the UN's world recognition.

taiwan can keep their culture, political system, and independent military operation.

CCP does not want taiwan forming an alliance with the USA, because that would be another threat to china in asia.

liaa
Why is china so sleazy when all my chinese friends are not sleazy?


QUOTE
Well I can agree that in my limited knowlege of Chinese universities they are not exactly supportive of fraternities and the like. However drinking in males over 17 or so is beyond excessive, to a level that I've seen only the worst in North America reach. The common phrase is that they simply do not have an "off sign" in China. If they wish to be out until a certain time, they will drink with great speed and abrasiveness until that time. Regardless of how hammered they are, they will simply keep drinking until it is the accepted hour to leave. This, mind you, holds only for the men. Girls here drink maybe one or two throughout an entire night, and even then consider themselves somewhat naughty.

As for liberal sexual activity...
Hm. Well, countless bordellos and overt sexual requests seem to speak differently. Officially, in China, no one sleeps with another person until marriage. The government's stance is that no premarital sex ever occurs. Nothing could be further from the truth. While it is notable that the Chinese - like the Japanese and Koreans - do not as openly discuss their sexual experiences, they certainly have them in spades. Even the girls who I tend to think of as "nice Chinese girls" are often quite ready to cheat on their boyfriends simply because a Westerner is around. And as was mentioned, many girls court numerous boys to benefit from numerous incomes. Many marry simply for money, and many cheat while married simply for pleasure. In short, any "old-world" notions of Chinese cities are greatly lacking in describing the picture. Perhaps the small (I mean small like < 500,000 pop.) towns are quite different, and I imagine the farming areas are entirely different. But then again, the farming areas in Canada have different ethics than the cities. So what exactly the difference between China and a "liberal" country like Canada is, I cannot particularly see.

Well, that's a lie, there is one big difference. Many girls here will sleep with me simply because of the colour of my skin. No such practice exists in North America.

Though your wording is probably more correct than was intended - all of what I speak of is frowned on. For instance, one company I am working with has in it's code of conduct for all employees that they must abstain from immoral sexual practices. Take that as you will. Now, the company has a massive plant, and so is located outside the city lines, in a sort of mini-townlet built simply for the employees of the company. This little townlet features a few small shacks of stores; a few that sell beer and smokes, a few with fruit, two or three noodle joints, a (probably stolen) cell phone store. But what is the largest building in this little townlet outside of the factory itself??

A Pink Hotel!!! That's right, a brothel! And what is the second biggest building?? Another hotel featuring 1-hour services and condom machines. Though the latter is not technically a brothel, as the girls are at a different location and you bring them there.

So yes, the people highly frown on prostitution. But they use prostitutes. It's simply a contradiction and there's nothing else you could say to them. If asked they will rip into the disgusting habit of paying for sex. Later, they will walk to the Pink Hotel so they may pay for sex. This is just how it goes.

Respect is not what I've gained for the women
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ZenZasian
QUOTE(liaa @ Sep 13 2007, 05:14 AM) *
Why is china so sleazy when all my chinese friends are not sleazy?


I dunno where you're getting all the Hoserquotes from, but you're making it increasingly difficult for many here to have any respect for Chinese women, not that there was much to begin with.
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