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money
[topic="Hmong"]Hmong people are not Chinese!!![/topic] duh2.gif


We do not share the same culture, we are indigenous nomadic people.

We are a minority that lives in China with Chinese people and have fought the Chinese throughout history for our freedom.

We are automatically associated with barbarianism and a threat to China's territorial integrity.

We are better known as the Miao's in China which literally means 'sprout' in Chinese.

After many upraises against the Chinese government, we survived and thrive over 7 million strong in China today.

The Chinese people have practiced Multiculturalists for centuries. Multiculturalists claim that assimilation can hurt minority cultures by stripping away their distinctive features. They point to situations where institutions of the dominant culture initiate programs to assimilate or integrate minority cultures.



With assimilation, Hmong people lose their original cultural (and often linguistic) identity and so do their children.



Hmong people fled persecution and because laos and other contries like it was a country devastated by war our parents were resilient to abandoning their heritage once they had settled in a new country.


Don't ever think that you are Chinese, you are not!!! crazy.gif

You are Hmong.

Check out these sites and make your own conclusions:

http://www.cal.org/co/hmong/hhist.html
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/nationality/miao/
http://www.c-c-c.org/culture-resources/eth...inorities/miao/
http://www.hmongcenter.org/
http://www.mandarintools.com/cgi-bin/wordl...amp;where=start
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Minorities/C...ionalities.html
mshmoobxoomgyrl
TRUE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE HMONG SOUNGS AND KONGS ARE ORIGINALLY CHINESE. WE ARE HMONG TOO, BUT ORGINALLY OUR ANCESTERS R FROM CHINA. LONG STORY... BUT, I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME HMONG PEOPLE ARE REALLY CHINESE PEOPLE.
illesxplayb0i
QUOTE(mshmoobxoomgyrl @ Feb 8 2008, 09:12 PM) [snapback]3484068[/snapback]
TRUE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE HMONG SOUNGS AND KONGS ARE ORIGINALLY CHINESE. WE ARE HMONG TOO, BUT ORGINALLY OUR ANCESTERS R FROM CHINA. LONG STORY... BUT, I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME HMONG PEOPLE ARE REALLY CHINESE PEOPLE.


Your ancestors are the MIAOS, are they not? and they are still a minority in Southern China.
Pogpog
so where does Hmong came from? did they came from Mars too?

lilzz
I think he meant Hmong are NOT Han People. China includes alot of minorities.

Chan-Ho
I'm glad hmong people don't want to assimulate with China. Please protect your unqiue ethnic identity.
babyshanker
ive always thought it was a bit weird when some of them would claim chinese. especially from a hmong-american. even though some miao are chinese nationality, still would not be correct imo. but its not like its a big deal, if some want to claim chinese because their ancestors use to reside in china let them be.
JakeCutter
We know, we know. You don't have to get your panties tied into a bunch.
barbarian
QUOTE(money @ Sep 8 2007, 11:49 AM) [snapback]3195692[/snapback]
[topic="Hmong"]Hmong people are not Chinese!!![/topic] duh2.gif
We do not share the same culture, we are indigenous nomadic people.

We are a minority that lives in China with Chinese people and have fought the Chinese throughout history for our freedom.

We are automatically associated with barbarianism and a threat to China's territorial integrity.

We are better known as the Miao's in China which literally means 'sprout' in Chinese.

After many upraises against the Chinese government, we survived and thrive over 7 million strong in China today.

The Chinese people have practiced Multiculturalists for centuries. Multiculturalists claim that assimilation can hurt minority cultures by stripping away their distinctive features. They point to situations where institutions of the dominant culture initiate programs to assimilate or integrate minority cultures.
With assimilation, Hmong people lose their original cultural (and often linguistic) identity and so do their children.
Hmong people fled persecution and because laos and other contries like it was a country devastated by war our parents were resilient to abandoning their heritage once they had settled in a new country.
Don't ever think that you are Chinese, you are not!!! crazy.gif

You are Hmong.

Check out these sites and make your own conclusions:

http://www.cal.org/co/hmong/hhist.html
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/nationality/miao/
http://www.c-c-c.org/culture-resources/eth...inorities/miao/
http://www.hmongcenter.org/
http://www.mandarintools.com/cgi-bin/wordl...amp;where=start
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Minorities/C...ionalities.html


In my opinion, Hmong/Miao were Chinese by blood..
Miao has common ancestry with Han/Hua Chinese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiyou
Miao was also part of the Bai Yue.
In Sima Qian Shi Jian about Yue's King Guo Jian, it's said that Guo Jian was a Yue(also related to modarn Viets) and the descendant of Miao people from Yu the Great. (The guy who fixed the great flood around Yangzi river) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_mythology
Yu was buried in modern day ShaoXing (Zhejian/Jiansu province), and one of the Miao-Yue King was given the task by by Hua-Xia King to guard the tomb of Yu in ShaoXing.

I believe modern day Han/Hua Chinese were a result of thousand years mixing between original Han/Hua with Miao/Yue/Yao, etc, all the tribes around central China. I think Han/Hua became more dominant in term of culture.


barbarian
QUOTE(lilzz @ Feb 9 2008, 09:02 AM) [snapback]3484941[/snapback]
I think he meant Hmong are NOT Han People. China includes alot of minorities.


You have to understand Han is a cultural term but not ethnicity really. I'm no doubt Han contains a lot of Miao. Han assimilated Miao(Yue, Li, Yao, Zhuang, etc) and became Han today. However, I think some Hmong who moved out of China might also mixed with local in SEA thus they're different than Miao in China...
barbarian
QUOTE(Chan-Ho @ Feb 9 2008, 10:55 AM) [snapback]3485131[/snapback]
I'm glad hmong people don't want to assimulate with China. Please protect your unqiue ethnic identity.


I agree Hmong/Miao should keep their unique identity but they should also know where they came from. Also don't hate the Chinese for what happened 500 years or thousand years ago. Even the Han/Hua Chinese themselves are not the same original Chinese - they absorbed different tribes and followed Han-Hua dominant culture.
YaoRockets
But for the 10 million or so Miao folks in China , they are all Chinese citizens, they've been living in China for millenniums, China is their first and only home, so they are definitely Chinese. Is it not?

of course, if you believe Miao people are not Hmong, then that's a whole different story.
XigonCongchua
Hmong from China are Chinese by nationality
Hmong from Vietnam are Vietnamese by nationality
Hmong from Lao are Laotian by nationality

but ethnically they all are Hmong and not Chinese, Viet, or Laotian
lilasiankid
Nope, I'm not Hmong or Chinese.

I'm AMERICAN! LOL. laugh.gif

naw jk...depends on where ur from. Overall our original homeland is what's today part of China but that's a couple hundred years ago if you are descended from the Hmong from Laos embarassedlaugh.gif
RockHeart
I can telling you all that the between faces of the hmong and China are completely different to each other...It has nothing that two nations are related to each other...

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Oahc
It says "Made in China" on my butt-cheek. O.o
lilasiankid
AMERICA!! fu-k YEAH! COMIN AGAIN TO SAVE THE MUTHAfu-kIN DAY YEAH!
Henry123
China: There are aproximatly 56 ethnic groups in China.
Vietnam: 54 ethnic groups in Vietnam.
Laos: About 146 to 160 ethnic groups in Laos. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Laos )
Thailand: About 38 to 40 ethnic groups in Thailand.
Cambodia: Dont know for sure. Roughly about 20 ethnic groups. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Cambodia)
Burma: About 135 ethnic groups.
juilikingdom
QUOTE(barbarian @ Feb 10 2008, 06:49 PM) [snapback]3488872[/snapback]
In my opinion, Hmong/Miao were Chinese by blood..
Miao has common ancestry with Han/Hua Chinese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiyou
Miao was also part of the Bai Yue.
In Sima Qian Shi Jian about Yue's King Guo Jian, it's said that Guo Jian was a Yue(also related to modarn Viets) and the descendant of Miao people from Yu the Great. (The guy who fixed the great flood around Yangzi river) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_mythology
Yu was buried in modern day ShaoXing (Zhejian/Jiansu province), and one of the Miao-Yue King was given the task by by Hua-Xia King to guard the tomb of Yu in ShaoXing.

I believe modern day Han/Hua Chinese were a result of thousand years mixing between original Han/Hua with Miao/Yue/Yao, etc, all the tribes around central China. I think Han/Hua became more dominant in term of culture.


I gree with you on this one...that Miao-Yi and Hua-Xia are the same people in ancient china. Emperor Huangdi and Yandi are both blood brothers and Chiyou who was one of the prince at that time descended from Emperor Yandi aka Shennong. Note that Yandi and Chiyou both share the ox-bird totem and it was only later that Yandi changed his totem to dragon-totem and became part of Huangdi's tribe( Hua-Xia tribal alliance). Emperor Yandi's xia tribe descended from ancient tibetans and moved down to northwest china where they later split into two groups. One group stayed with Emperor Yandi as xia aka qiang tribe and the other group moved to northeast china where they established Juili Kingdom under the leadership of King Chiyou. After the fall of Juili Kingdom and the death of King Chiyou, part of King Chiyou's miao group and part of Emperor Yandi's qiang(tibetan) group moved south and established Sanmiao Kingdom. After the fall of Sanmiao Kingdom, the Miao-Di(tibetan) people then established Chu Kingdom where they influenced many other kingdoms such as Yue Kingdom, Wu Kingdom, etc... Miao-Yi also established Nan Zhao Kingdom. It is correct that hmong are not chinese because they moved down to vietnam, laos, thailand, burma, etc...900+ years ago and have adopted thier cultures and incorporated into their mainstream. The miao on the other hand are chinese as they have always been since the time of our ancestors, but as a whole...hmong, miao, yi, mien, yao, qiang, han, she, yue, etc...are all closely related and were once the same people who descended from Emperor Huangdi's hua aka di tribe, Emperor Yandi's xia aka qiang tribe, and King Chiyou's juili aka miao-yi tribe. Although the descendants of these three ancient tribes ( hua aka di, xia aka qiang, juili aka miao) languages and cultures are different from one another, they all still share the same origin and are descended from ancient tibetans as shown by DNA analysis. Note that languages and cultures are learned traits and not genetic traits and therefore cannot not be used as components in varifying and comparing ethnic groups to see who is related to who. DNA analysis on the other hand is the only component that can really tell the relations between different ethnic groups because languages and cultures can change overtime due to geaographical locations and borrowing. And yes you are right about miao also being part of bai-yue and that han ethnic is the outcome of a thousand year mixing between Hua aka Di, Xia aka Qiang, Juili aka Miao-Yi and later thier descendants...the yue, yao, dai, etc...
xuanzang
From what I read, I believe that Miao is a much larger group than Hmong, Hmongs are really just one branch of Miao who moved outside China, and beacuse of their international access, they claimed all Maio's are actually Hmong, while they don't even speak the same languague as many other Miao branches in china.
juilikingdom
QUOTE(xuanzang @ Apr 4 2008, 12:23 PM) [snapback]3615002[/snapback]
From what I read, I believe that Miao is a much larger group than Hmong, Hmongs are really just one branch of Miao who moved outside China, and beacuse of their international access, they claimed all Maio's are actually Hmong, while they don't even speak the same languague as many other Miao branches in china.

Yes, that is in fact true...not all miao are hmong and not all hmong are miao due to centuries of intermixing with other asian ethnic groups. The miao ethnic group in china are the original(miao, yi, qiang)people who descended from Emperor Yandi's xia tribe in northwest china and later became the juili tribe in northeast china under the leadership of King Chiyou. After the battle of zhoulu and the fall of juili kingdom, some of the juili aka ancient miao(miao, yi qiang)people moved south to establish sanmiao kingdom, but the majority became part of Emperor Huangdi's hua tribe, which later became the han ethnic . The hmong ethnic on the other hand are a smaller branch of juili tribe aka ancient miao and are made up of the original people(miao, yi, qiang) plus Emperor Huangdi's hua tribe and later yue tribe and han ethnic. Over the years...since the hmong people came from china to vietnam, laos, and thailand...they have adopted thousands of vietnamese, laotian, and thai childrens to raise as thier own; these childrens have become part of the hmong group today. So as you can see...the miao and hmong are alittle bit different interms of ethnic mixture, but they share the same culture, costumes, and origin.
kakashiswife
QUOTE(juilikingdom @ Apr 7 2008, 04:53 PM) [snapback]3621051[/snapback]
Yes, that is in fact true...not all miao are hmong and not all hmong are miao due to centuries of intermixing with other asian ethnic groups. The miao ethnic group in china are the original(miao, yi, qiang)people who descended from Emperor Yandi's xia tribe in northwest china and later became the juili tribe in northeast china under the leadership of King Chiyou. After the battle of zhoulu and the fall of juili kingdom, some of the juili aka ancient miao(miao, yi qiang)people moved south to establish sanmiao kingdom, but the majority became part of Emperor Huangdi's hua tribe, which later became the han ethnic . The hmong ethnic on the other hand are a smaller branch of juili tribe aka ancient miao and are made up of the original people(miao, yi, qiang) plus Emperor Huangdi's hua tribe and later yue tribe and han ethnic. Over the years...since the hmong people came from china to vietnam, laos, and thailand...they have adopted thousands of vietnamese, laotian, and thai childrens to raise as thier own; these childrens have become part of the hmong group today. So as you can see...the miao and hmong are alittle bit different interms of ethnic mixture, but they share the same culture, costumes, and origin.



icon_smile.gif Wow.. someone said something smart icon_smile.gif icon_smile.gif

Personally, I feel no connection to any ancient peoples. I am born in the U.S. and am mostly American. There's nothing wrong with assimilation. I have the most respect for my culture, but I don't live in a fantasy where I think that any culture will stay the same for ever. There's no such thing. icon_smile.gif Read a book if you wanna learn.
mengthor
They are Chinese, but they are considered Hmong Chinese/Miao Chinese. i'm an example of an American, but i'm really a Hmong American. This may cause ppl to be angry but the land your living on is what makes you really count as one of them, but to be exact your not really them by ancestry your actually like for an example a Hmong American or a Hmong Canadian or a Hmong Australian. for an example your not really from the Canadian ancestry, but you live in Canada that's what still makes you Canadian. To be precise you just say that your a Hmong Canadian. you don't have to be of Canadian ancestry to be Canadian. You just got to be living in Canada to be one. i hope i got that cleared up, but your nationality/ancestry will always be Hmong though.
xuanzang
wise words indeed, no culture will stay the same, a chinese from 2000 years ago will be a complete stranger and bararian in today's china, if a chinese of today go back 1000 years he will be seen as a complete foreigner. We all live in today, not in a time when Ci you and Huangdi were doing the great battles, culture identity is nice, but life itself is more important.
grapefruit
Hmm.. I had a couple of Hmong friends who parents were from Laos claim to be chinese.
felixvah
QUOTE(money @ Sep 8 2007, 02:49 PM) [snapback]3195692[/snapback]
[topic="Hmong"]Hmong people are not Chinese!!![/topic] duh2.gif
We do not share the same culture, we are indigenous nomadic people.

We are a minority that lives in China with Chinese people and have fought the Chinese throughout history for our freedom.

We are automatically associated with barbarianism and a threat to China's territorial integrity.

We are better known as the Miao's in China which literally means 'sprout' in Chinese.

After many upraises against the Chinese government, we survived and thrive over 7 million strong in China today.

The Chinese people have practiced Multiculturalists for centuries. Multiculturalists claim that assimilation can hurt minority cultures by stripping away their distinctive features. They point to situations where institutions of the dominant culture initiate programs to assimilate or integrate minority cultures.
With assimilation, Hmong people lose their original cultural (and often linguistic) identity and so do their children.
Hmong people fled persecution and because laos and other contries like it was a country devastated by war our parents were resilient to abandoning their heritage once they had settled in a new country.
Don't ever think that you are Chinese, you are not!!! crazy.gif

You are Hmong.

Check out these sites and make your own conclusions:

http://www.cal.org/co/hmong/hhist.html
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/nationality/miao/
http://www.c-c-c.org/culture-resources/eth...inorities/miao/
http://www.hmongcenter.org/
http://www.mandarintools.com/cgi-bin/wordl...amp;where=start
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Minorities/C...ionalities.html


TRUE! We are Hmong Now, but we may be Miao in History. I don't think we're Chinese or Japanese..
hmoobluv
chinas got alot of different chinese people. hmong people are one of those group. miao and hmong are the same..its just that as time goes by and live different cultures things change.

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/oldworld/asia/miao.html

but @ the end of the day..we are all the same cuse when we all did we all look alike.!
xeemlauj
well, hmong in general are not chinese.. but as nationality then YES.. but ethnically, NO.

hmoobluv
maybe we all should watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNu526yXAGg
hmoobluv
QUOTE(xeemlauj @ Jun 12 2008, 11:56 AM) [snapback]3751851[/snapback]
well, hmong in general are not chinese.. but as nationality then YES.. but ethnically, NO.



our aunt sisters are from china so that does make us chinese. chinas got so many different kinds of chinese languages and that makes us one of them, its just that time gors by and we all live different life style that our language started to changes.. just like hmong hekas and hmong from laos or thialand....and we started to look different. just because we and our parents werent born there doesnt make us any different but our aunt sisters where from there so that doese make us chinese... no matter if it was nationality or ethnic. hmong people are from china up in the north mountains called san miao. so that does make us hmong people chinese!
SadHmoob
I kind of wish we never broke away from china because now they are a superpower and we can't even claim a country as our own. Very sad.
notsobad
QUOTE(SadHmoob @ Sep 2 2008, 12:40 AM) [snapback]3905071[/snapback]
I kind of wish we never broke away from china because now they are a superpower and we can't even claim a country as our own. Very sad.


It is very sad that Hmong/Miao does not has its own country. May God bless you Hmong/Miao people.

Hmong/Miao are indigenous people of China. That gives you very right to claim almost everything, in order to keep your language, culture and life style.

I didn't know Hmong/Miao people suffered so much, so often in history. After reading a few topics, I think I know a little right now.

Can Hmong/Miao poeple tell me why?

Why China is strong?
Why Hmong/Miao is weak?

Hmong/Miao are tracing their root, it is a very good start.
But can you tell me why your people are always at the wrong side?




Phor
I don't really care if they are from the Alpha Centauri System, but ANYONE, human or not, who has a Chinese citizenship, IS a Chinese person. Sorry, I had to let out that steam.
Wilfree
QUOTE(SadHmoob @ Sep 1 2008, 11:40 PM) [snapback]3905071[/snapback]
I kind of wish we never broke away from china because now they are a superpower and we can't even claim a country as our own. Very sad.


^Stop b!tching about ethnic country or dreams. Lots of ethnic groups don't have country and they are doing fine, even you. If you don't truly belong somewhere, then how the hell are you even typing online???? From outerspace???? I don't think so!
lilasiankid
QUOTE(SadHmoob @ Sep 1 2008, 11:40 PM) [snapback]3905071[/snapback]
I kind of wish we never broke away from china because now they are a superpower and we can't even claim a country as our own. Very sad.


I dunno where you are from wanting to be part of China, but America is an even bigger superpower and most of us here are born American. biggthumpup.gif laugh.gif
JakeCutter
The original Hmong were in China even before the Han...

Despite its obscurity one thing about Hmong history was clear to J. Mottin, the author of "History of the Hmong." "Of their pre-history only one thing is certain, that is that the Miao were in China before the Chinese, for it is the latter themselves who indicate the presence of the Miao in the land, which they, the Chinese, were gradually infiltrating, and which was to become their own country, " Mottin wrote.
hugo boss
back in those ancient times, they were not called Chinese, I think there were different tribes
lilasiankid
QUOTE(hugo boss @ Sep 8 2008, 09:16 PM) [snapback]3914574[/snapback]
back in those ancient times, they were not called Chinese, I think there were different tribes


Yeah they were only called Chinese when Westerners came up with the term. laugh.gif
notsobad
QUOTE(lilasiankid @ Sep 9 2008, 07:37 PM) [snapback]3915595[/snapback]
Yeah they were only called Chinese when Westerners came up with the term. laugh.gif


In ancient time China, "Under Heaven" is a general term to scope people living in Chinese land.
Emperor is son of Heaven, usually Heaven equals God, so he has right to govern his people.

Everyone under heaven belongs to the central Imperial, which is China.
Every piece of land with water and earth belongs to the central Imperial too.

In this regard, everyone is Chinese.
lilasiankid
QUOTE(notsobad @ Sep 10 2008, 09:08 AM) [snapback]3916306[/snapback]
In ancient time China, "Under Heaven" is a general term to scope people living in Chinese land.
Emperor is son of Heaven, usually Heaven equals God, so he has right to govern his people.

Everyone under heaven belongs to the central Imperial, which is China.
Every piece of land with water and earth belongs to the central Imperial too.

In this regard, everyone is Chinese.


驾六龙
乘风而行
九合著侯
一匡天下!
SkyLegenD
I'm sorry but I have never met a "Hmong" in my life. Who exactly are you people?
furball
This is hilarious coming from a white worshiping south Korean.


QUOTE(Chan-Ho @ Feb 9 2008, 02:55 PM) [snapback]3485131[/snapback]
I'm glad hmong people don't want to assimulate with China. Please protect your unqiue ethnic identity.

population1
QUOTE(SkyLegenD @ Sep 10 2008, 06:09 PM) [snapback]3916785[/snapback]
I'm sorry but I have never met a "Hmong" in my life. Who exactly are you people?


Looks like someone is behind in historical terms. Don't worry.

QUOTE(furball @ Sep 11 2008, 03:33 AM) [snapback]3917285[/snapback]
This is hilarious coming from a white worshiping south Korean.


Highly likely almost always true. Also, there are already Hmong and Chinese assimilation; however, there aren't many or hardly any in the states.
SkyLegenD
^Of course I said it in sarcastic way. The thing is, the issue is so small. Han Chinese do not really wish to assimilate with the Hmong either, or allow you people to assimilate with us. It's unnecessary.
population1
QUOTE(SkyLegenD @ Sep 11 2008, 03:34 PM) [snapback]3917888[/snapback]
^Of course I said it in sarcastic way. The thing is, the issue is so small. Han Chinese do not really wish to assimilate with the Hmong either, or allow you people to assimilate with us. It's unnecessary.


LOL You sure got that right. I wouldn't either, nor does any other Hmong from the states. I didn't only mean Han Chinese; however, Chinese in the general sense, or as a whole in perspective, of or relating to the people in that part of the world.

I can agree it is unnecessary. Who can imagine what our culture can contract from that. Whew.
Hmoobhistorian
Saying that Hmong are not Chinese is like saying that Hmong are not Americans.

Hmong is one of the major ethnic people in China. You can say that Hmong are not Han, but you can not say that Hmong are not Chinese. Chinese have hundreds of ethnic group even more than Americans united under one nation.

jedi77
What we have here is failure to communicate. I think we have a consensus here that not being Chinese is pertaining to ethnic Chinese(Han) and not national Chinese. There is a difference. Let me clear it up for those who don't know. If you live in China, that would make you a Chinese national likewise if you live in the U.S. that would make you American or in this case Asian American(Hmong American) nonetheless still an American. Nationality pertains to country of residence, Ethnicity pertains to specific a group of peoples with the same cultural backgrounds and Race is many groups of people that share the same or similar physical characteristics, a continental term to describe all peoples living in or continent of origin. Here's the lamens interpretation: Race=Asian, Ethnicity=Hmong, Nationality=American. I used this example seeing that most of us here are from the U.S. I hope this clears things up, if not then you have a serious identity crisis. Have a wonderful day. icon_smile.gif
lilasiankid
Yeah man, I sure as hell ain't Laotian. I'm frickin' American.
jedi77
QUOTE(lilasiankid @ Mar 12 2009, 11:55 AM) [snapback]4162131[/snapback]
Yeah man, I sure as hell ain't Laotian. I'm frickin' American.

Mauhahahaha...We Americans own everything...Mauhahahahaha...
2FOB2BTRUE
Today, When Chinese people say "Miao People", the word "Miao" simply stands for one of the 56 enthic groups in China, and it is also used by all the countries in south east Asia. People in China can always see Miao Singers and Actresses/Actors perform on mainstream media. Traditional Miao costume are considered highly artistic and which is one of the most representative symbols of Southern Chinese culture. In many of modern Chinese Novels(especially in Wu Xia category), the ancient Miao people are oftenly described as people who are brave, dignity, and romantic.

How's the Hmong situation in States?

Is it really Miao = Hmong? Not exactly, in fact Hmong are only one of the many sub-groups of Miao.
How many Hmong people are living in states? less then 300 thousand.

There are 9 million Miao people living in China.

so tell me, why are Hmong in States trying to speak for everyone?
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