In other words, when will the Vietnamese elders who are in their 40s and above go away
and let the Vietnamese youngsters in our 30s and below taking leadership role?
Will the transition of power take place from 2010 to 2020 or after 2020?
I am talking about both sides, Vietnamese in Vietnam and Overseas Vietnamese.
In other words, when will the Vietnamese elders who are in their 40s and above go away
and let the Vietnamese youngsters in our 30s and below taking leadership role?
Will the transition of power take place from 2010 to 2020 or after 2020?
In other words, when will the Vietnamese elders who are in their 40s and above go away
and let the Vietnamese youngsters in our 30s and below taking leadership role?
Will the transition of power take place from 2010 to 2020 or after 2020?
Usually younger people don't know much about the structures and inner workings of government, younger people below 40 tend to be very apathetic and uninformed on politics. It's best to leave power with the elders for the time being until the young become more mature and wisen up. Also, allowing the young in Vietnam to rule could be come with catastrophic results, the young would change the structure of Vietnam too rapidly and you know what happened when Gorbechev tried to give Russia a rapid make over from socialism to capitalism...the Russia economy turned to sh!t and the economy of Russia is still in shambles.
If the Vietnamese government were to reform it's economic system it should at most reform it gradually similar to how the Chinese have reformed their country.
If the Vietnamese government were to reform it's economic system it should at most reform it gradually similar to how the Chinese have reformed their country.
Trade 
Is it safe to assume the power of the Viet elders will be passed to the Viet youth after 2020?
I hope the Viet elders are not too greedy and hanging on power for too long.
Is it safe to assume the power of the Viet elders will be passed to the Viet youth after 2020?
I hope the Viet elders are not too greedy and hanging on power for too long.
I'm eagerly awaiting for the peaceful passing of hardliners from both Hanoi and Saigon. More relevant is the passing of those in Hanoi, since they are in power. 
QUOTE(SoCal @ Sep 15 2007, 10:44 PM) 
Trade
Is it safe to assume the power of the Viet elders will be passed to the Viet youth after 2020?
I hope the Viet elders are not too greedy and hanging on power for too long.
Is it safe to assume the power of the Viet elders will be passed to the Viet youth after 2020?
I hope the Viet elders are not too greedy and hanging on power for too long.
There will be a time when the Vietnamese Elders become too old and senile to rule and will have to pass on power to the younger and more fit...and hopefully for Vietnam's sake, more educated by then.
In 2020, I will be 44. 
How about you?
Do you consider yourself a Viet youth or a Viet elder?
How about you?
Do you consider yourself a Viet youth or a Viet elder?
QUOTE(Tradtacular @ Sep 15 2007, 11:48 PM)
There will be a time when the Vietnamese Elders become too old and senile to rule and will have to pass on power to the younger and more fit...and hopefully for Vietnam's sake, more educated by then.
so wouldn't it be wise to take some of the younger people and let them shadow the elders now? Maybe something like an internship?
lol
I'm not even Vietnamese, I'm just a half-Chinese guy who pays attention and has an interest in alot of Asian political/economic affairs stuff.
By 2020 I'll be 30/31
I'm not even Vietnamese, I'm just a half-Chinese guy who pays attention and has an interest in alot of Asian political/economic affairs stuff.
By 2020 I'll be 30/31
QUOTE(Tradtacular @ Sep 15 2007, 08:57 PM)
lol
I'm not even Vietnamese, I'm just a half-Chinese guy who pays attention and has an interest in alot of Asian political/economic affairs stuff.
By 2020 I'll be 30/31
I'm not even Vietnamese, I'm just a half-Chinese guy who pays attention and has an interest in alot of Asian political/economic affairs stuff.
By 2020 I'll be 30/31
So right now, you are around 14/15 years old?
Are you still a minor?
No, I'm 18...LOL 
QUOTE(SoCal @ Sep 15 2007, 10:03 PM)
I am talking about both sides, Vietnamese in Vietnam and Overseas Vietnamese.
In other words, when will the Vietnamese elders who are in their 40s and above go away
and let the Vietnamese youngsters in our 30s and below taking leadership role?
Will the transition of power take place from 2010 to 2020 or after 2020?
In other words, when will the Vietnamese elders who are in their 40s and above go away
and let the Vietnamese youngsters in our 30s and below taking leadership role?
Will the transition of power take place from 2010 to 2020 or after 2020?
I'm afraid the majority of young Viets diaspora are brainwashed by their parents and they will do the same when they have kids.
I bet those in Vietnam are doing the same thing too.
It's a vicious cycle even though its getting weaker...it's going take a while.
QUOTE(GenomVirues @ Sep 15 2007, 09:20 PM)
I'm afraid the majority of young Viets diaspora are brainwashed by their parents and they will do the same when they have kids.
I bet those in Vietnam are doing the same thing too.
It's a vicious cycle even though its getting weaker...it's going take a while.
I bet those in Vietnam are doing the same thing too.
It's a vicious cycle even though its getting weaker...it's going take a while.
Genom:
Therefore, we are the only hope left.
Cold War 2!!!
I wonder which side the VCP with ally with? Russia? U.S? or play cool with both sides? More likely they'll go with Russia...
I already know which side the VNCH on
History is about to repeat itself? It's back the the 70's again, but only time will tell. Or maybe I'm just paranoid
U.S. develops 14-ton super bomb, bigger than Russian vacuum bomb
WASHINGTON, September 13 (RIA Novosti) - The U.S. has a 14-ton super bomb more destructive than the vacuum bomb just tested by Russia, a U.S. general said Wednesday.
The statement was made by retired Lt. General McInerney, chairman of the Iran Policy Committee, and former Assistant Vice Chief of Staff of the Air Force.
McInerney said the U.S. has "a new massive ordnance penetrator that's 30,000 pounds, that really penetrates ... Ahmadinejad has nothing in Iran that we can't penetrate."
He also said the new Russian bomb was not a "penetrator."
On Tuesday, the Fox News television channel said: "A recent decision by German officials to withhold support for any new sanctions against Iran has pushed a broad spectrum of officials in Washington to develop potential scenarios for a military attack on the Islamic regime.".
Commenting on the report, McInerney said: "Since Germany has backed out of helping economically, we do not have any other choice. ... They've forced us into the military option."
McInerney described some possible military campaign scenarios and said: "The one I favor the most, of course, is an air campaign," he continued.
He said that bombing would be launched by 65-70 stealth bombers and 400 bombers of other types.
"Forty-eight hours duration, hitting 2500 aimed points to take out their [Iranian] nuclear facilities, their air defense facilities, their air force, their navy, their Shahab-3 retaliatory missiles, and finally their command and control. And then let the Iranian people take their country back," the general said describing the campaign, adding it would be "easy."
McInerney is well-known among the U.S. conservatives. He is the chairman of the Iran Policy Committee co-chaired by James Woolsey, former CIA director, William A. Nitze, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and Richard Schifter, former Assistant Secretary of State, and Professor Raymond Tanter, former Personal Representative of the Secretary of Defense to arms control talks in Europe.
The McInerney statement was made following a Fox News report that U.S. "officials are making plans to attack Iran as early as next summer," since Washington believes diplomatic efforts have failed.
I wonder which side the VCP with ally with? Russia? U.S? or play cool with both sides? More likely they'll go with Russia...
I already know which side the VNCH on
History is about to repeat itself? It's back the the 70's again, but only time will tell. Or maybe I'm just paranoid
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Russia tests world's most powerful vacuum bomb
MOSCOW, September 11 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has tested a thermobaric bomb that is the most powerful in the world, a top military official said Tuesday.
Known as a vacuum bomb, it uses a fuel-air explosive and can create overpressures equal to an atomic bomb, said Alexander Rukshin, deputy chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces.
"It is environmentally friendly, compared to a nuclear bomb, and it will enable us to ensure national security and at the same time stand up to international terrorism in any part of the globe and in any situation," he said.
He stressed that the bomb does not violate any of the international agreements that Russia has signed.
MOSCOW, September 11 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has tested a thermobaric bomb that is the most powerful in the world, a top military official said Tuesday.
Known as a vacuum bomb, it uses a fuel-air explosive and can create overpressures equal to an atomic bomb, said Alexander Rukshin, deputy chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces.
"It is environmentally friendly, compared to a nuclear bomb, and it will enable us to ensure national security and at the same time stand up to international terrorism in any part of the globe and in any situation," he said.
He stressed that the bomb does not violate any of the international agreements that Russia has signed.
QUOTE
U.S. develops 14-ton super bomb, bigger than Russian vacuum bomb
WASHINGTON, September 13 (RIA Novosti) - The U.S. has a 14-ton super bomb more destructive than the vacuum bomb just tested by Russia, a U.S. general said Wednesday.
The statement was made by retired Lt. General McInerney, chairman of the Iran Policy Committee, and former Assistant Vice Chief of Staff of the Air Force.
McInerney said the U.S. has "a new massive ordnance penetrator that's 30,000 pounds, that really penetrates ... Ahmadinejad has nothing in Iran that we can't penetrate."
He also said the new Russian bomb was not a "penetrator."
On Tuesday, the Fox News television channel said: "A recent decision by German officials to withhold support for any new sanctions against Iran has pushed a broad spectrum of officials in Washington to develop potential scenarios for a military attack on the Islamic regime.".
Commenting on the report, McInerney said: "Since Germany has backed out of helping economically, we do not have any other choice. ... They've forced us into the military option."
McInerney described some possible military campaign scenarios and said: "The one I favor the most, of course, is an air campaign," he continued.
He said that bombing would be launched by 65-70 stealth bombers and 400 bombers of other types.
"Forty-eight hours duration, hitting 2500 aimed points to take out their [Iranian] nuclear facilities, their air defense facilities, their air force, their navy, their Shahab-3 retaliatory missiles, and finally their command and control. And then let the Iranian people take their country back," the general said describing the campaign, adding it would be "easy."
McInerney is well-known among the U.S. conservatives. He is the chairman of the Iran Policy Committee co-chaired by James Woolsey, former CIA director, William A. Nitze, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and Richard Schifter, former Assistant Secretary of State, and Professor Raymond Tanter, former Personal Representative of the Secretary of Defense to arms control talks in Europe.
The McInerney statement was made following a Fox News report that U.S. "officials are making plans to attack Iran as early as next summer," since Washington believes diplomatic efforts have failed.
QUOTE(VietGuy7 @ Sep 15 2007, 10:47 PM)
I'm eagerly awaiting for the peaceful passing of hardliners from both Hanoi and Saigon. More relevant is the passing of those in Hanoi, since they are in power.
Of the 3 big boys right now, only Nong Duc Manh is from the north. Both Nguyen Tan Dung and Nguyen Minh Triet hail from the south.
^ Lol, I meant in the sense of North Vietnam and South Vietnam. 
Edit: I'm predicting that Vietnam (Cuba, China too) will eventually go democratic in about 30-50 years (perhaps longer for China and sooner for Cuba), the same way that the Soviet Union, Nicaragua, etc. have gone. But for this to happen, the old hardliners must die off first--and necessarily peacefully too! Then the younger, western educated, more progressive, more scientific, non dogmatic, fully pragmatic, more dynamic leaders will make reforms that ultimately lead to democracy. As the years and decades roll by, the shift of power will increasingly go from the government to the private sector.
Ultimately, there will be a tipping point.
Edit: I'm predicting that Vietnam (Cuba, China too) will eventually go democratic in about 30-50 years (perhaps longer for China and sooner for Cuba), the same way that the Soviet Union, Nicaragua, etc. have gone. But for this to happen, the old hardliners must die off first--and necessarily peacefully too! Then the younger, western educated, more progressive, more scientific, non dogmatic, fully pragmatic, more dynamic leaders will make reforms that ultimately lead to democracy. As the years and decades roll by, the shift of power will increasingly go from the government to the private sector.
Ultimately, there will be a tipping point.
QUOTE(VietGuy7 @ Sep 16 2007, 01:34 AM)
^ Lol, I meant in the sense of North Vietnam and South Vietnam.
Edit: I'm predicting that Vietnam (Cuba, China too) will eventually go democratic in about 30-50 years (perhaps longer for China and sooner for Cuba), the same way that the Soviet Union, Nicaragua, etc. have gone. But for this to happen, the old hardliners must die off first--and necessarily peacefully too! Then the younger, western educated, more progressive, more scientific, non dogmatic, fully pragmatic, more dynamic leaders will make reforms that ultimately lead to democracy. As the years and decades roll by, the shift of power will increasingly go from the government to the private sector.
Ultimately, there will be a tipping point.
Edit: I'm predicting that Vietnam (Cuba, China too) will eventually go democratic in about 30-50 years (perhaps longer for China and sooner for Cuba), the same way that the Soviet Union, Nicaragua, etc. have gone. But for this to happen, the old hardliners must die off first--and necessarily peacefully too! Then the younger, western educated, more progressive, more scientific, non dogmatic, fully pragmatic, more dynamic leaders will make reforms that ultimately lead to democracy. As the years and decades roll by, the shift of power will increasingly go from the government to the private sector.
Ultimately, there will be a tipping point.We have democracy now. If you want American style democracy in the next 30-50 years, I would recommend you not hold your breath....
In about 30-50 years America's democracy will resemble Vietnam's.....
QUOTE(dalatian @ Sep 16 2007, 12:15 PM)
Of the 3 big boys right now, only Nong Duc Manh is from the north. Both Nguyen Tan Dung and Nguyen Minh Triet hail from the south.
You forget about Mr. Le Hong Anh, Minister of Public Security, ranked No. 2 in the Politburo. This is the person much in charge of our geo-strategic relationships, although all his visits to other countries are not likely to get attention from western media.
QUOTE(VietGuy7 @ Sep 16 2007, 12:34 PM)
^ Lol, I meant in the sense of North Vietnam and South Vietnam.
Edit: I'm predicting that Vietnam (Cuba, China too) will eventually go democratic in about 30-50 years (perhaps longer for China and sooner for Cuba), the same way that the Soviet Union, Nicaragua, etc. have gone. But for this to happen, the old hardliners must die off first--and necessarily peacefully too! Then the younger, western educated, more progressive, more scientific, non dogmatic, fully pragmatic, more dynamic leaders will make reforms that ultimately lead to democracy. As the years and decades roll by, the shift of power will increasingly go from the government to the private sector.
Ultimately, there will be a tipping point.
Edit: I'm predicting that Vietnam (Cuba, China too) will eventually go democratic in about 30-50 years (perhaps longer for China and sooner for Cuba), the same way that the Soviet Union, Nicaragua, etc. have gone. But for this to happen, the old hardliners must die off first--and necessarily peacefully too! Then the younger, western educated, more progressive, more scientific, non dogmatic, fully pragmatic, more dynamic leaders will make reforms that ultimately lead to democracy. As the years and decades roll by, the shift of power will increasingly go from the government to the private sector.
Ultimately, there will be a tipping point.If all countries can be like that ... uhm... I have a sense that the flat world is kind of utopia
, I hope that I'm wrong.
hi iam a vietnamese elder
i say dont passs $hitt. keep the powerr till dey diee denn passs. no explanationn neededd. 
QUOTE(phreezen @ Sep 16 2007, 02:21 AM)
We have democracy now.
Please.
Sure, Vietnam has a one party democracy. Russians used to have Gulags during the Stalinist era. They are far from perfect, but their economy is growing now. Eventually they too will achieve Western style democracy.On the other side of the geopolitical divide, countries under the American empire like South Korea, the Philipines, Indonesia, Taiwan, etc., and so on finally achieved democracy in the late 1970's and 1980's. Mighty S. Korea was still an incompetent and corrupt military junta until 1979. Lets not forget Germany and Japan.
S. Vietnam was never a democracy, all the elections were rigged. Declassified CIA papers prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. But had it survived, it would have eventually evolve in the same manner that is exactly like S. Korea's both in terms of economy and politics.
QUOTE(phreezen @ Sep 16 2007, 02:21 AM)
If you want American style democracy in the next 30-50 years, I would recommend you not hold your breath....
Some people have no ability to read the tea leaves.
QUOTE(phreezen @ Sep 16 2007, 02:21 AM)
In about 30-50 years America's democracy will resemble Vietnam's.....
Sure.
The last bastions of communism are all turning to market economies. Enuff said...
QUOTE(PB. @ Sep 16 2007, 05:40 AM)
hi iam a vietnamese elder
So how is a Viet elder like?
Are they narrow minded or open minded?
QUOTE(VietGuy7 @ Sep 16 2007, 12:11 PM)
Please. Sure, Vietnam has a one party democracy. Russians used to have Gulags during the Stalinist era. They are far from perfect, but their economy is growing now. Eventually they too will achieve Western style democracy.
On the other side of the geopolitical divide, countries under the American empire like South Korea, the Philipines, Indonesia, Taiwan, etc., and so on finally achieved democracy in the late 1970's and 1980's. Mighty S. Korea was still an incompetent and corrupt military junta until 1979. Lets not forget Germany and Japan.
S. Vietnam was never a democracy, all the elections were rigged. Declassified CIA papers prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. But had it survived, it would have eventually evolve in the same manner that is exactly like S. Korea's both in terms of economy and politics.
Some people have no ability to read the tea leaves.
Sure.
Sure, Vietnam has a one party democracy. Russians used to have Gulags during the Stalinist era. They are far from perfect, but their economy is growing now. Eventually they too will achieve Western style democracy.On the other side of the geopolitical divide, countries under the American empire like South Korea, the Philipines, Indonesia, Taiwan, etc., and so on finally achieved democracy in the late 1970's and 1980's. Mighty S. Korea was still an incompetent and corrupt military junta until 1979. Lets not forget Germany and Japan.
S. Vietnam was never a democracy, all the elections were rigged. Declassified CIA papers prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. But had it survived, it would have eventually evolve in the same manner that is exactly like S. Korea's both in terms of economy and politics.
Some people have no ability to read the tea leaves.
Sure.
Wow, you make such a convincing case by citing examples of the lapdog countries under the 'American Empire'. How could we not take that offer to be a lapdog country like them. Perhaps we have pride and determination. Spirit of freedom and a desire to be independent. A desire to be number 1....
While the best these lapdogs could hope for is being number 2 or America's favorite lapdog. We, commies, dare challenge mighty America for the top spot. You see, We are the people America fears. We are the people that keep America up at night. Not a moment that goes by without America thinking about us. From the moment they wake up to the moment they sleep and even in their dream, we are what is on their mind. We are the media darlings and the focus of the world. So, please, spare me the greatness of being a lapdog. There is NO pride in that.
Now back to this dream of yours about what will be of Viet Nam in 30-50yrs. See, here is the funny thing. I know something you don't. We don't have to wait 30-50yrs to settle this. In fact, I'll tell you something about your American democracy that you don't know....
You ever heard of a thing called 'hybrid democracy'? It's the funniest thing. Basically, what it is, is a system that do away with the 2-party system that America has now to get rid of political gridlock. It is quietly being implemented in California and will act as a model for all of America. You see, basically speaking, America is copying Viet Nam...Thanks for playing....
Links about hybrid democracy:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1744175/posts
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20...1e21schrag.html
Is the Two Party Dead, From Suicide?
http://tinyurl.com/yrqcws
Our two-party system has reached a dead-end
http://tinyurl.com/yqmud2
BTW, did you know George Washington warned and was against having a multi party system....LOL.
I can read tea leaves good, yeah?????
QUOTE(phreezen @ Sep 16 2007, 10:39 PM)
We, commies, dare challenge mighty America for the top spot. You see, We are the people America fears. We are the people that keep America up at night.
No, you're an idiot. I'm not one of those VC vs VNCH flamers. But understand this alright: You "commies" are adopting a MARKET ECONOMY.
P.S. That sh!thead Bush, a guy who's as stupid as you, has twice said that the US could have won in Vietnam. He said this while in Vietnam. What did Hanoi say in reply? NOTHING. Learn to read the tea leaves.
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I'm not one of those VC vs VNCH flamers. But understand this alright: You "commies" are adopting a MARKET ECONOMY.
Indeed. The irony... And ps : VC and VNCH trolls make us look bad.
SoCal started this thread, because he wanted to become the president, PM, or Party leader of Vietnam. Right Mr. Future President.
Mr. Future President SoCal. Why can't you organize the vietnamese in the US and become their president.
You should get married and govern your family to see if you can manage a family of around 5 people (wife and couple children).
Governing 85+ million vietnamese is not easy.
Mr. Future President SoCal. Why can't you organize the vietnamese in the US and become their president.
You should get married and govern your family to see if you can manage a family of around 5 people (wife and couple children).
Governing 85+ million vietnamese is not easy.
Wow, I guess this intend intelligence-gathering place proven its usefulness after all. 
QUOTE(VietGuy7 @ Sep 16 2007, 11:23 PM)
No, you're an idiot. I'm not one of those VC vs VNCH flamers. But understand this alright: You "commies" are adopting a MARKET ECONOMY.
P.S. That sh!thead Bush, a guy who's as stupid as you, has twice said that the US could have won in Vietnam. He said this while in Vietnam. What did Hanoi say in reply? NOTHING. Learn to read the tea leaves.
P.S. That sh!thead Bush, a guy who's as stupid as you, has twice said that the US could have won in Vietnam. He said this while in Vietnam. What did Hanoi say in reply? NOTHING. Learn to read the tea leaves.
You seem angry...LOL Drink some tea to relax.
Here is the funny thing about that MARKET ECONOMY statement of yours. I didn't even touch upon what is happening with your economy. You don't even want to know....
BTW, when did this market economy happen?? back when we wanted to do business with the US and they refused or we when we broke the embargo????? I don't think you know anything about communism...
Can you please post some sources about your statement regarding Bush???? Bush and America crying and whining about the US 'could have won' doesn't bother me. Fact is they didn't.....accept it.
Viet Nam>America
Help your VNCH brothers and sisters
Your English is bad, your logic is worse. Pretty damn uninformed too. FYI, I don't disagree with everything you've been saying. But you clearly don't know what the Hell you're talking about.
P.S. Trolling someone who's got some smarts doesn't mean you're smart. It just means you're a troll.
P.S. Trolling someone who's got some smarts doesn't mean you're smart. It just means you're a troll.
If you cannot debate with him, attack him with his english.
^ Seriously, I have a hard time understanding your English. But I see two possible meanings:
1. I'm doing an ad hominen attack. Guilty.
2. I have bad english too. Not Guilty. The language/words I choose are deliberate.
1. I'm doing an ad hominen attack. Guilty.
2. I have bad english too. Not Guilty. The language/words I choose are deliberate.
QUOTE(VietGuy7 @ Sep 16 2007, 11:55 PM)
Your English is bad, your logic is worse. Pretty damn uninformed too. FYI, I don't disagree with everything you've been saying. But you clearly don't know what the Hell you're talking about.
P.S. Trolling someone who's got some smarts doesn't mean you're smart. It just means you're a troll.
P.S. Trolling someone who's got some smarts doesn't mean you're smart. It just means you're a troll.
Well, your english isn't that great either.
Yes, I didn't cap the 'e' in english....so what.
Your comprehension is wacked.
QUOTE(VietGuy7 @ Sep 16 2007, 11:06 PM)
^ Seriously, I have a hard time understanding your English. But I see two possible meanings:
1. I'm doing an ad hominen attack. Guilty.
2. I have bad english too. Not Guilty. The language/words I choose are deliberate.
1. I'm doing an ad hominen attack. Guilty.
2. I have bad english too. Not Guilty. The language/words I choose are deliberate.
QUOTE(lobsterwoman.org @ Sep 16 2007, 11:26 PM)
Indeed. The irony... And ps : VC and VNCH trolls make us look bad.
Funny, but when I first came to AF, I thought that it would be full of VNCH flamers, because that's how it actually is with overseas Vietnamese in real life. I quickly found out that AF and other forums are full of VC flamers. Honestly, the VC flamers are the most obnoxious. Although I actually get along well with most of the rest of them.
Anyway, I can't stand either when they act up.
O well, c'est la vie.
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