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LazyAzian
Hmm, I think that Philippines will become an developed country soon. So far current Philippine Government is doing a fairly good job making the economy rise up again. As long as the Government focuses on economy, human rights, and you know things that actually improve the country, I think we can be developed or at least mostly developed soon.

Philippines is already a newly-industrialized country, so far we are actually in the same track or in some ways on a faster track with our fellow South East Asian neighbors. Contrary to popular belief, Philippine economy isn't actually going down, but it's actually rising up in a slow, steady way. I mean the Peso is finally regaining it's wealth one step at a time, after the major drop mainly because of some Government issues and the South East Asia bankrupt thingy that happened.

We are one of the very few Asian countries with the closest and longest lasting ties with strong economy countries like United States, and obviously Spain. We need to take advantage of that I think, also use our language skills into the max use.

I estimate the Philippines will be developed by around 2020-240, that's just a guess from what I have researched. It's time to bring the glory of thee Peso once again! I mean back then in the 1960's-70's, 7 Philippine peso = 1 Dollar! Now it's 44 Peso = 1 Dollar. We where the 2nd richest country in Asia for crying out loud! We were booming in economy, education, and technology's specially with the very strong relationship we had with United States and Spain back then!

Philippines need to be that country again (^^), what ways do you think we can improve our economy, without violence or any harm done to environment and citizens? Will Philippines be one of the top richest countries in Asia again? Opinions and suggestions! I don't THINK Philippines will become rich again, I KNOW it will!!
ham_let
Definitely, but not in the near future. I'd say 2050 to 2100.
iMumble
Didn't I already made a topic like this? Hint: It's titled "Is there hope?"
alibata
with GNp at 8.5% today we multiply it with the number of years

I think in 15 years we can level the current economy of south korea.
Piso
by 2050 filipinos would have conquered the world biggrin.gif
MommyStatus
with our corrupted govt?? i dont think so....maybe when the US takes over the whole country
DCguy
QUOTE(Piso @ Sep 21 2007, 01:31 AM) [snapback]3222374[/snapback]
by 2050 filipinos would have conquered the world biggrin.gif


By 2050, we'll still be trying to figure out what happened to all the money from the previous year's revenue and where it mysteriously dissapeared to. The key to the issue, and what the title of this thread should be is "Do you think the Philippine government will ever function like a developed country?"
garouga
QUOTE(MommyStatus @ Sep 20 2007, 10:37 PM) [snapback]3222384[/snapback]
with our corrupted govt?? i dont think so....maybe when the US takes over the whole country


Or when someone finally establishes a benevolent yet iron-fisted dictatorship like Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew, not Marcos's corrupt dictatorship.
SimonSays
My modest estimate would be 2015-2020 as long as they maintain the momentum that its going right now...so no more actor-actor presidents or maniacal kleptocrats/conjugal dictatorship, stuff like that...

QUOTE(garouga @ Sep 21 2007, 01:03 AM) [snapback]3222430[/snapback]
Or when someone finally establishes a benevolent yet iron-fisted dictatorship like Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew, not Marcos's corrupt dictatorship.

garouga
^ Hm? It worked for Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, and South Korea. Look at where the economies of those countries are now. The fact is that Filipinos need discipline, I'm not gonna say anything more.
P. Bredahl
Philippines can if it wants to it has the conditions needed but needs to tighten up and step up front.

Forget about Spanish and teach Chinese
Discipline, Filipino pride(not spanish pride), overthrow the government me as president
Confucianism.
LazyAzian
^

Dude, way off topic. Also, Philippines is always going to have a Hispanic culture, it's been part of our culture since like 1500's. Roman Catholicism is still the main religion in Philippines. I have nothing against Chinese, but err at least be less aggressive about it. It's like you want Philippines to turn into a Chinese colony or something.
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QUOTE(LazyAzian @ Sep 21 2007, 03:00 AM) [snapback]3222614[/snapback]
^

Dude, way off topic. Also, Philippines is always going to have a Hispanic culture, it's been part of our culture since like 1500's. Roman Catholicism is still the main religion in Philippines.



really, so WHY did the Filipinos natives REVOLT against Spain? If Filipinos think that they are hispanic? honesty this just straight falls into that wannabe elitist if i spoke espanol i'll be seen as elitist.

Revolts in Manila (1570) (Sulayman Revolt, Lakandula Revolt)
First Pampanga Revolt (1585)
Revolt Against the Tribute (1589)
Tamblot Uprising (1621)
Sumuroy Revolt (1649-50)
Dagohoy Rebellion (1744-1829) AN 85 YEARS WAR AGAINST SPAIN!
Agrarian Revolt (1745-46)
Silang Revolt (1762-63) ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS FIGHT AGAINST SPAIN.
Basi Revolt (1807)
Pule Revolt (1840-41)
Cavite mutiny (1871)

and there is alot more.

YOU HAVE NO NO CLUE OF PHILIPPINES HISTORY I SUGGEST YOU STUDY IT.

BTW he is NOT OFF topic. if ppl whom want to strive to be as call center agent so be it. that your goal, be a worker. don't be selfish with your actions. BUT WHAT I WANT FOR FILIPINOS AND PHILIPPINES IS TO HAVE BETTER TOMORROW. I WANT LEADERS NOT FOLLOWERS.

Countries with the Most Internet Users in the World
Rank Country Internet users
1 United States 159,000,000
2 China 79,500,000

3 Japan 57,200,000
4 Germany 39,000,000
5 Korea, South 29,220,000
6 United Kingdom 25,000,000
7 France 21,900,000
8 Italy 18,500,000
9 India 18,481,000
10 Canada 16,110,000
11 Brazil 14,300,000
12 Mexico 10,033,000
13 Spain 9,789,000

14 Australia 9,472,000
15 Poland 8,970,000
16 Malaysia 8,692,100
17 Netherlands 8,500,000
18 Indonesia 8,000,000
19 Thailand 6,031,300
20 Russia 6,000,000

it would be a plus to learn canton/mand vs spanish as for call center agent http://www.aneki.com/internet.html and taken for CIA site.

an interview with Jaime Augusto Zóbel-de Ayala
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FBrN9Ryxi-c

"to fend off india" "we only get in if the value is right" "if can move up the value of the creation scale" "there be more and more need of US based companies and Europe base tp out source call center"

i think Filipinos should polish thier English.

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I have nothing against Chinese, but err at least be less aggressive about it. It's like you want Philippines to turn into a Chinese colony or something.


and you are doing what around here. less aggressive?

the day a Filipino f.o.b. talks to me in spanish is the day i bring there @$$ to the barrio and lets see how much they have in common. confused.gif Talktohand.gif

and yes americans and alike will look down upon you b/c you don't know your history. SHAME.

i went to this and found nothing spanish about it...

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QUOTE(ham_let @ Sep 20 2007, 01:28 PM) [snapback]3221291[/snapback]
Definitely, but not in the near future. I'd say 2050 to 2100.


yeah this would be good time frame or a little closer 2035-2060. can you imagine if half of fil-ams/cans came home to help.


QUOTE(garouga @ Sep 20 2007, 11:53 PM) [snapback]3222480[/snapback]
^ Hm? It worked for Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, and South Korea. Look at where the economies of those countries are now. The fact is that Filipinos need discipline, I'm not gonna say anything more.



and this was Marcos main point, displine. we were second to Japan in the Marcos hands and look at us now... confused parentless kids. bawling.gif bawling.gif
taybenco
i think 2020 is about good enough, without the usual political circus,

any "chinese", "japanese" or "singaporean" discipline won't do any good, just look at the ww2 occupation or the marcos era, which I would see as a typical south american/hispanic dictatorship, his rule having left the philippines behind everyone else in SEA in the economic sense anyway.

don't attract too much attention, work hard and just make the right friends in the world and everything will be right.
iMumble
Ah I dunno, now my opinion may have been swayed, goodness maybe never, My guess it'll be a desert by 2050.
martin_nuke
By 2050 50% of the Philippines is underwater and Antipolo Beach Resort would be the next tourist spot and Antipolo City would be the next Financial Center of the Philippines.
iMumble
Nah, I'd still vote desert by 2050.
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QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Sep 21 2007, 03:58 PM) [snapback]3223484[/snapback]
By 2050 50% of the Philippines is underwater and Antipolo Beach Resort would be the next tourist spot and Antipolo City would be the next Financial Center of the Philippines.



so will california...US should just give it back to mexico. biggthumpup.gif
kaleidoshuffler
it's good that we filipinos are now identifying and pointing out the problems and mistakes of our government and country.

however, i think that it's better if we put some action on as to solve these identified and pointed out problems so as the philippines to actually rise up from its shambles and become a real developed country.

but as for today, one must start that change by being familiar with what's happenning in our country and not on local and international showbiz (which, unfortunately is the most popular news maker in our country >_<)
LazyAzian
Yeah I would say Philippine swill be developed around 240? Also, Philippines should start trading with European and Canadians more, since they are getting richer than America. I live in Canada, and currently our Canadian dollar is getting way more higher compared to American dollar (^^)~.

Also, someone said why the Filipinos revolted against Spain. They didn't revolt because they didn't like Hispanic culture, they revolted because they wanted their own country and freedom. Right after the revolution and the first Philippine Republic was created (which was back then called "Republica Filipina"), and Filipino and SPANISH were the two official languages even after the Spanish rule until the Americans came. Our national anthem was originally written in Spanish. We don't didn't hate the Hispanic culture, we hated the Spanish people (=__=).
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QUOTE(LazyAzian @ Sep 22 2007, 06:07 AM) [snapback]3224957[/snapback]
Yeah I would say Philippine swill be developed around 240? Also, Philippines should start trading with European and Canadians more, since they are getting richer than America. I live in Canada, and currently our Canadian dollar is getting way more higher compared to American dollar (^^)~.

Also, someone said why the Filipinos revolted against Spain. They didn't revolt because they didn't like Hispanic culture, they revolted because they wanted their own country and freedom. Right after the revolution and the first Philippine Republic was created (which was back then called "Republica Filipina"), and Filipino and SPANISH were the two official languages even after the Spanish rule until the Americans came. Our national anthem was originally written in Spanish. We don't didn't hate the Hispanic culture, we hated the Spanish people (=__=).



i don't see a proper logic here if "we hated the Spanish people " and in turn we should also hate the Hispanic culture. you can't hate a person without hating what they are. you can't insult or hate a person for being a person. you will also hate whom they are and their culture.


Dagohoy Rebellion was about the spanish oppression, bandala, excessive tax collection and payment of tributes.


you're talking about the present and current issues that the Moros rebells has with RP and who don't want freedom from their oppressor THEIR SPANISH OPPRESSOR.


embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif sorry try again..
martin_nuke
Whether you like it of not the Philippines is Hispanic and its a fact.

The Philippines is the only Asian country that strongly conserves Hispanic characteristics (such as the name of its people). Many attributes of Philippine culture and language have Hispanic origins. This is due to the fact that Spain ruled the country (through Mexico) for more than 300 years. Even when the country was under American rule for almost 50 years, it hardly erased all characteristics of the Philippine's Hispanic past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanidad
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QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Sep 22 2007, 04:13 PM) [snapback]3225644[/snapback]
Whether you like it of not the Philippines is Hispanic and its a fact.

The Philippines is the only Asian country that strongly conserves Hispanic characteristics (such as the name of its people). Many attributes of Philippine culture and language have Hispanic origins. This is due to the fact that Spain ruled the country (through Mexico) for more than 300 years. Even when the country was under American rule for almost 50 years, it hardly erased all characteristics of the Philippine's Hispanic past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanidad



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Hispanidad (literally Hispanishness) is the community formed by all the people and nations that share Spanish language and culture. The 23 nations that are included are all Spanish-speaking except the Philippines, and can be classified in four geographic areas: Spain, Hispanoamerica, Hispanoafrica and the Hispanopacific. Every October 12 Hispanic Day is celebrated. It is the same day of the Patrona of Our Lady of el Pilar, located in Zaragoza, Spain.[citation needed]


confused.gif so even hispanidad Philippines is an odd ball for being different! laugh.gif Filipinos need to get clue whom they are and their roots.

but serious if you want to play crooks and conquistador go some where else. Filipinos doesn't need to reminded especially from their own that they were once colonized. who in their right mind would continue put thier colonizers on pedal stoll?
iMumble
Now my question is don't ya think the Philippines will eventually become a desert?
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QUOTE(iMumble @ Sep 22 2007, 06:21 PM) [snapback]3225907[/snapback]
Now my question is don't ya think the Philippines will eventually become a desert?


it can't be a desert when Philippines has huge sections of mountianous regions. a deserted beach oasis is more likely to your theory. **grabs a beer** laugh.gif
LazyAzian
I don't think Philippines will ever become a dessert. The Philippines is made up of islands, all surrounded by a large amount of water so I am pretty sure there's plenty of water plus we always have typhoons and such so we can be sure there's also going to be plenty of water for the plants.
iMumble
QUOTE(LazyAzian @ Sep 23 2007, 10:06 AM) [snapback]3227002[/snapback]
I don't think Philippines will ever become a dessert. The Philippines is made up of islands, all surrounded by a large amount of water so I am pretty sure there's plenty of water plus we always have typhoons and such so we can be sure there's also going to be plenty of water for the plants.


Yeah but wasn't Arizona like the Philippines 5,000 years ago?
beckiiChroma
if so, it will take years and years and years and years for our country to develop.
as much as i hate to say it and as much as i love our nation, our country sometimes brings me shame...
its pitiable..
but the point is, how many filipinos would actually help out just to clean the god damn roads filled with garbage?
i dont think they even care.
everywhere you look there's litter here or there
what do we get rich off? our trash? icon_neutral.gif
SimonSays
where did you even get the idea that hispanidad includes every last colonies of spain except the PHilippines???

Why dont just check LAtin Union and Hispanic in wikipedia...the craziest thing ive ever heard in this thread is to erase 'OUR' hispanic heritage and replace it with confucianism?? Somebody who wrote that must be of Tsinoy ethnicity...

FYI, there has been no culture out of our country that has been influnced more than Hispanic culture..arab, chinese, indian, japanese and even american culture only inlfuence little as compared to hispanic culture...

I think this is what happens to the declining quality of education or Filipino parents outside the country who didt educate well their children about their roots...ultranationalistic but highly misinformed, clumsy easily jumps to conclusion, dogmatic in a pathertic way seriously, purist na wla naman talag sa lugar..guys our history are never purely austronesian or hispanic or oriental..ours is a cultural porridge that nobody else in the world could have..which is why the Philippines is a unique nation..Some romantic says that we are the children of the east and west..I say we are neither the children of the east nor west.. we are the children of the Philippines...


QUOTE(*promo @ Sep 22 2007, 08:05 PM) [snapback]3225878[/snapback]
confused.gif so even hispanidad Philippines is an odd ball for being different! laugh.gif Filipinos need to get clue whom they are and their roots.

but serious if you want to play crooks and conquistador go some where else. Filipinos doesn't need to reminded especially from their own that they were once colonized. who in their right mind would continue put thier colonizers on pedal stoll?

Saigonese87
filipinos lack work ethics....
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QUOTE(SimonSays @ Sep 23 2007, 05:36 PM) [snapback]3227814[/snapback]
where did you even get the idea that hispanidad includes every last colonies of spain except the PHilippines???

Why dont just check LAtin Union and Hispanic in wikipedia...the craziest thing ive ever heard in this thread is to erase 'OUR' hispanic heritage and replace it with confucianism?? Somebody who wrote that must be of Tsinoy ethnicity...

FYI, there has been no culture out of our country that has been influnced more than Hispanic culture..arab, chinese, indian, japanese and even american culture only inlfuence little as compared to hispanic culture...

I think this is what happens to the declining quality of education or Filipino parents outside the country who didt educate well their children about their roots...ultranationalistic but highly misinformed, clumsy easily jumps to conclusion, dogmatic in a pathertic way seriously, purist na wla naman talag sa lugar..guys our history are never purely austronesian or hispanic or oriental..ours is a cultural porridge that nobody else in the world could have..which is why the Philippines is a unique nation..Some romantic says that we are the children of the east and west..I say we are neither the children of the east nor west.. we are the children of the Philippines...


SHOW WHERE WE FIT IN HERE AS "Hispanic" SHOW ME! don't understand...

too bad Filipinos are blind to their own culture.

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Hispanic (Spanish Hispano, Portuguese Hispânico, from Latin Hispānus, adjective from Hispānia, the Roman name for the Iberian Peninsula) is a term that historically denoted relation to the ancient Hispania and its peoples.

to the ancient Hispania ....and its peoples.

The term Hispanic

Etymology

Etymologically, the term Hispano/Hispanic is derived from Hispania (whose meaning and derivation is uncertain), the name given by the Romans to the entire Iberian Peninsula — modern-day Spain, Portugal, Andorra and Gibraltar — during the period of the Roman Republic. In the modern era, however, Hispanic/Hispano has usually only been applied to Spain and things related to it. Although some people also use the term "Hispanic" in relation to Portugal and its people (including Brazil and Portuguese-speaking Brazilians), this usage is not appropriate and may cause irritation. It could be compared to calling a North American "British" because in the past both countries were politically connected. When speaking of these peoples, the correct term is Luso/Lusophone.

In Spanish, the word "Hispano" is also used as the first element of compounds referring to Spain and the Spanish, rather like the way Anglo is used in compounds referring to England and the English. Thus, the Spanish-American War in Spanish is known as Guerra Hispano-Estadounidense, the "Spanish-German Treaty" is Tratado Hispano-Alemán, and "Spanish America" is Hispanoamérica.

The usage of Hispanic as an ethnic indicator in the United States is believed to have come into mainstream prominence following its inclusion in a question in the 1980 U.S. Census, which asked people to voluntarily identify if they were of "Spanish/Hispanic origin or descent".[5]

Synonyms and antonyms


Often the term "Hispanic" is used synonymously with the word "Latino", and frequently with "Latin" as well, as they are used in the U.S. Even though the terms may sometimes overlap in meaning, they are not completely synonymous.

"Hispanic" specifically refers to Spain, and to the Spanish-speaking nations of the Americas, as cultural and demographic extensions of Spain. It should be further noted that in a U.S. context, a Hispanic population consists of the people of Spain and everyone with origins in any of Spanish-speaking nations of the Americas, regardless of ancestry of the latter (including Amerindians). In the context of Spain and Latin America, a Hispanic population may consist of the people of Spain, and when regarding the inhabitants of the Hispanic America, includes only criollos, mestizos, mulatos, and others with Spanish ancestry, to the exclusion of indigenous Amerindians, unmixed descendants of black Africans and whites or other peoples from later migrations without any Spanish lineage. This distinction was established in the Spanish Empire in the 17th century, as an institutionalized system of racial and social stratification and segregation (Sistema de Castas) based on the person's heritage. However, when talking of Hispanic in a cultural and linguistic sense, the term refers to even peoples without Spanish ancestry but living in the Hispanic America who have Spanish as mother tongue or as vehicular language.

In regards to the term Latin, in this context it refers to the conception of "Latin America" as a region, a concept which was introduced by the French in the 1860s when they dreamed of building an empire based in Mexico. See French intervention in Mexico. This concept of a "Latin" America was closely connected to the introduction of French positivism into the region's intellectual circles. [6] The French understood "Latin" to include themselves and other continental European Romance speaking nations, to the exclusion of their "Anglo-Saxon" colonial rivals the United States (in the Americas) and the United Kingdom, as well as, the Germanic and Scandinavian peoples (in Europe).

Latinos, meanwhile, is a contraction of "Latinoamericanos", and refers commonly to those from Spanish or Portuguese-speaking countries of Latin America, regardless of ancestry in all contexts. Those from French Canada and Haiti are rarely included, although technically (even more so in Haiti's case) they are Latin Americans.

The confusion that arises is due to a missuse in English of the words Latino and Latin, and between the concept of Hispanic and Latino. Latino (in English) is a shortened version of the noun Latinoamericano (Latin American). In the Spanish language "Latín" (Latin) is the name of the language of the Romans, and Latino the name of the people who spoke the language or speak a modern derivative. This means that Latino in Spanish is not confined solely to Hispanics and Latin Americans, but has always included such European peoples as the Italians, French, Romanians, Portuguese, etc. In Italian however, Latino refers to both the language and the people who spoke Latin.

Thus, of a group consisting of a Brazilian, a Colombian, a Mexican, a Spaniard, a Frenchman and a Romanian, all would be, properly speaking, Latinos; Conversely, the Colombian, Mexican and Spaniard would all be Hispanics, but not the Romanian, the Brazilian or the Frenchman.

It should be noted that the categories of "Latino" and "Hispanic" are used primarily in the United States to socially differentiate people. As social categories they are not mutually exclusive and without ambiguities and cannot be seen as independent of social discrimination (socioeconomic, ethnic or racial).

Besides "Hispanic", "Latino", and "Latin", other terms are used for more specific subsets of the Hispanic population. These terms often relate to specific countries of origin, such as "Mexican", "Mexican-American", "Cuban", "Puerto Rican" or "Dominican", etc. Other terms signify distinct cultural patterns among Hispanics which have emerged in what is now the United States, including "Chicano", "Tejano", "Nuyorican", etc.

Historical usage of the term

Spain is not a uniform country; various ethnicities coexist in its territories, and each one has its own culture, traditions, and idiosyncracies. Some even have their own language or dialect, all of them along the dialectal continuum of Romance languages, with the exception of the Basque language. The term Hispanic, however, often refers only to cultural or ancestral background related to Spanish-speaking Spain, but not to other parts of Spain, such as Catalan-speaking Spain or Basque-speaking Spain. The existence of multiple distinct cultures in Spain allows an analogy to be drawn to the United Kingdom. Using the term Hispanic for someone of Spanish descent would then be expected to be equivalent to using Briton to describe someone descending from some part of the United Kingdom. Cultures within the United Kingdom, such as Anglo, Scottish and Welsh, would then correspond in this analogy to cultures within Spain such as Castilian, Catalan and Basque among others. It is a subtle, yet important, distinction. In other countries, this distinction between the sub-nations that compose the country (for instance, English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish, Cornish, etc.) and the supra-nation that includes them (the United Kingdom) has been clear. In Spain, however, the politically dominant territory (Castile) has often been taken to be equivalent to the supra-nation (Spain). The result of this confusion is that unlike the case of Great Britain, where there is a general awareness of the cultures comprising the supra-nation, Hispanic is taken by many to be not only a synonym for that which is related to the whole of Spain, but also of the cultural identity of the Castilian region within Spain. This, in turn, has the effect of subordinating the role of other cultures within Spain in constituting the national identity of Spain.

In fact, the Spanish exploration and settlement of the New World was marked by a blurring of the distinction between the nation and a constituent culture. The Spaniards identified themselves not as being of Castilian cultural heritage, but instead as people of Hispanic heritage[citation needed]. In using Hispanic as a synonym for the Spanish-speaking world, other non-Spanish-speaking cultures in Spain were obscured.

In the modern times, the Spanish-speaking peoples of the New World have also adopted other cultural labels to identify themselves. The most important of these labels is the term Latino, which stems from a contraction of latinoamericano (Latin American)[7]. But the term Latino already has a meaning in Spanish, which is, literally, Latin[8], and it is used to refer to all the Latin peoples, both from Europe and the Americas. Therefore, using Latino as a contraction of latinoamericano results in a corruption of the Spanish word of the same name. However, the new meaning has rapidly gained popularity, and nowadays it is widely used as a cultural label to identify the peoples of Spanish cultural or ancestral heritage in the Americas. Thus, many of the people to whom the term Latino originally applied would no longer be identified as such under its present usage.

The evolution of the terms Hispanic and Latino has been especially apparent in the United States of America. In the latter parts of the 20th century, the terms went from being cultural labels to being ethnic labels, further confusing the meanings of the terms. The use of the terms in this context groups the Spanish speaking Spaniards together with the large Spanish speaking population in the Americas, which is of predominantly Amerindian ethnicity. As a result, cultural and linguistic issues related to Spaniards are often confused with those of Mexicans or other Hispanic American peoples. While some are conscious of this issue, many of the people to whom the labels Latino or Hispanic are applied are not aware of it. As such, they often help perpetuate further usage of these terms as ethnic labels instead of cultural ones, to the point that it excludes the Hispanics and Latinos to whom the labels originally applied.


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[edit] Hispanics in Asia-Pacific
[edit] The Philippines
Main articles: Philippines, History of the Philippines (1521-1898), and Hispanic influence on Filipino culture

The Philippines
Main articles: Philippines, History of the Philippines (1521-1898), and Hispanic influence on Filipino culture
Europeans first arrived in the Philippine Islands with the Spanish expedition around the world led by Portuguese explorer Ferdinand Magellan in 1521 (March 17, 1521 in real date; Magellan did not realize that they had crossed the International Date Line). Magellan landed on the island of Cebu, claiming the lands for Spain and naming them Islas de San Lázaro[15]. Over the next several decades, other Spanish expeditions were dispatched to the islands. In 1543, Ruy López de Villalobos led an expedition to the islands and gave the name Las Islas Felipinas (after Philip II of Spain) to the islands of Samar and Leyte.[16] The name would later be given to the entire archipelago. In 1565 an expedition led by Miguel López de Legazpi sailing from New Spain (Mexico) landed in Cebu where the first Spanish settlement was created. Legazpi later went on to found Manila in 1571, which later became the capital of the Spanish colony, and the entire Spanish East Indies. During the following four centuries the Philippines remained as a part of the Spanish Empire and territory of New Spain. Consequently, the indigenous culture and Languages of the Philippines received a great influence from Spain and from other parts of the Empire, mainly Mexico. Although the Spanish language was not adopted as the mother tongue by the majority of the population, there is an important group of the population, composed mainly of Spaniards and Filipino mestizos (who include, among others, Filipinos of Spanish descent and Filipinos of Mexican descent), who speaks it. Spanish was introduced in all her territories including the Philippines. At its peak, Spanish was spoken at around 10% to 15% of the population at the end of the 19th century. After the Spanish-American War of 1898; colonists from the United States introduced English on the islands. Spanish remained as co-official languages along with Tagalog and English until 1987, when it lost its status; opting for the Filipino government to used Tagalog and English as the official languages. Other Philippine languages including Cebuano were not entirely replaced, but received significant influences from the Spanish language. New languages also originated, such as the Chavacano, a Spanish-based creole language.

In 2007, an article was recently published on August, while president Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo visiting Argentina, stated that the Spanish language will return as one of the co-official languages of the Philippines in 2008.


influence! there is a difference! we are not hispanic!


that nice that they did not include Lapu-Lapu there! NICE very ARROGENT OF THEM!

Legazpi later went on to found Manila in 1571 ....FOUND? OH THE fu-kING ARROGANCE!!!

THAT DESCRPTION IS FLAWED AND SHOULD BE REWRITEN!

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SimonSays
what the...I do not want to troll around with you boy..if you dont think so, then go get yourself a cup of tea...lolzz...getting nervous brakdown because of this. Please!

Hispanic is not a race boy, its a cultural thing. Deal with it!

Go get a life, play basketball or watch the grass grow in your front yard.


QUOTE(*promo @ Sep 23 2007, 08:21 PM) [snapback]3227926[/snapback]
SHOW WHERE WE FIT IN HERE AS "Hispanic" SHOW ME! don't understand...

too bad Filipinos are blind to their own culture.

influence! there is a difference! we are not hispanic!


that nice that they did not include Lapu-Lapu there! NICE very ARROGENT OF THEM!

Legazpi later went on to found Manila in 1571 ....FOUND? OH THE fu-kING ARROGANCE!!!

THAT DESCRPTION IS FLAWED AND SHOULD BE REWRITEN!

embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

*promo
LOL !!!

are you gonna show me or insult me? LOL

either show me or STFU and sit down and learn to have some backbone! LOL! Hispanic like AMERICAN can be sum up as nationality. even Mexicans don't claim to be Hispanic they rather be called latino apose to hispanic. u call them that and you're insulting them. since you live in RP and i live in california, San Francisco. i have first hand of what "hispanic" culture is and it different and they don't view Filipinos HERE as one too. they may know we have history, their ppl is 60% mixed with spanish blood unlike us.

HEY I PRESENTED YOU WITH FACTS WHY DON'T YOU DO THE SAME! INSTEAD TALKING OUT OF YOUR @$$.
felltohell
the philippines is gonna blow and it's all because of me...

seriously, i wish one goddamn @$$hole drops an a-bomb to the country so we can create something new and interesting and something really filipino...

from chaos comes order and wealth...

it has to be a big chaos..an explosive one!!!!!!!!
EyEsTrAiN
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garouga
QUOTE(SimonSays @ Sep 23 2007, 06:29 PM) [snapback]3227947[/snapback]
what the...I do not want to troll around with you boy..if you dont think so, then go get yourself a cup of tea...lolzz...getting nervous brakdown because of this. Please!

Hispanic is not a race boy, its a cultural thing. Deal with it!

Go get a life, play basketball or watch the grass grow in your front yard.


Whatever, Hispanic is a term that's only used in the United States for statistical, census, and other related purposes. Honestly, have u ever heard a Filipino say "Hispanic ako!"? I don't think most Filipinos would consider themselves Hispanic. It's only in this forum that I've seen people saying we're Hispanic.
beckiiChroma
QUOTE(felltohell @ Sep 24 2007, 12:48 PM) [snapback]3229202[/snapback]
the philippines is gonna blow and it's all because of me...

seriously, i wish one goddamn @$$hole drops an a-bomb to the country so we can create something new and interesting and something really filipino...

from chaos comes order and wealth...

it has to be a big chaos..an explosive one!!!!!!!!


wow. i didnt know thats how you felt about the issue, ate..
but it makes so much sense...
before an explosion though, make sure youre out of the country, ok? biggthumpup.gif
kastila
QUOTE(SimonSays @ Sep 24 2007, 08:36 AM) [snapback]3227814[/snapback]
where did you even get the idea that hispanidad includes every last colonies of spain except the PHilippines???
...

Exactly. In fact, check out this thread: http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...7222&st=200.
martin_nuke
There are 23 members of Hispanidad and the Philippines is a member of it but its only the Hispanidad member which does not use Spanish as the official language.
iMumble
^More like the Philippines should withdraw out of there.
ham_let
QUOTE(Saigonese87 @ Sep 23 2007, 09:56 PM) [snapback]3227874[/snapback]
filipinos lack work ethics....

+warning

don't make baseless claims just to start a flame war. icon_rolleyes.gif
iMumble
You know Americans lack work ethics nowadays.
SimonSays
LOLzz to you too flameboy, hahaha..your stupid to think that hispanic is a nationality..thats the lamest thing ive ever heard!

And so what if you live in california and mingled with them..you know nothing about the pinoy culture biatch! just because youve met mexicans doesnt mean that it disqualifies you as stupid! so what if you claim they are 60% mixed , many native mexicans would even argue with you on that opinion. I would like to show you an article if you want. But i will not stoop down on your IQ level, so this is the last attention you will get from me. Go get some of it on your mother who didnt teach you anything right about the Philippines..

..And what facts?!?! You did copy and paste the articles in wikipedia, didnt you? Well, the fact is right there in front of your face, and you did argue with those facts, right? deal.gif ..hahahah!




QUOTE(*promo @ Sep 24 2007, 12:45 PM) [snapback]3229198[/snapback]
LOL !!!

are you gonna show me or insult me? LOL

either show me or STFU and sit down and learn to have some backbone! LOL! Hispanic like AMERICAN can be sum up as nationality. even Mexicans don't claim to be Hispanic they rather be called latino apose to hispanic. u call them that and you're insulting them. since you live in RP and i live in california, San Francisco. i have first hand of what "hispanic" culture is and it different and they don't view Filipinos HERE as one too. they may know we have history, their ppl is 60% mixed with spanish blood unlike us.

HEY I PRESENTED YOU WITH FACTS WHY DON'T YOU DO THE SAME! INSTEAD TALKING OUT OF YOUR @$$.

SimonSays
Just to make it very clear for you, what im talking about is Hispanic as defined in universal term (see wikipedia)..not the american term used there as an ethicicity for the purpose of census/demographics/racial profiling...Now, this is what im pointing out which is, im sure is very hard for whitewashed Filipino-Americans to grasp and comprehend..

Secondly, the very reason why filipinos are not fully aware that they are actually hispanic is because the philippines was once colonized by the United States of America too and they tried hard to erase (although in vain) the culture that has been 400 years in nation-making as uniquely filipino, which unfortanately has more to do with the Spanish culture than any other cultures they have before it. of course some whitewashed Fil-ams would again find that hard to grasp and understand, they will flame in this thread saying that we are asians...no one here is saying that we are not asian. Again, that viewpoint would come from whitewashed american-centric brown Filams who think the US is the center of the universe.

QUOTE(garouga @ Sep 24 2007, 04:08 PM) [snapback]3229473[/snapback]
Whatever, Hispanic is a term that's only used in the United States for statistical, census, and other related purposes. Honestly, have u ever heard a Filipino say "Hispanic ako!"? I don't think most Filipinos would consider themselves Hispanic. It's only in this forum that I've seen people saying we're Hispanic.



*promo
QUOTE(SimonSays @ Sep 24 2007, 07:49 PM) [snapback]3229974[/snapback]
LOLzz to you too flameboy, hahaha..your stupid to think that hispanic is a nationality..thats the lamest thing ive ever heard!

And so what if you live in california and mingled with them..you know nothing about the pinoy culture biatch! just because youve met mexicans doesnt mean that it disqualifies you as stupid! so what if you claim they are 60% mixed , many native mexicans would even argue with you on that opinion. I would like to show you an article if you want. But i will not stoop down on your IQ level, so this is the last attention you will get from me. Go get some of it on your mother who didnt teach you anything right about the Philippines..

..And what facts?!?! You did copy and paste the articles in wikipedia, didnt you? Well, the fact is right there in front of your face, and you did argue with those facts, right? deal.gif ..hahahah!



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[edit] Latin America
As in the Philippines, colonial mentality can also be seen in much the same form across Latin America. The demographic reality of Latin America is that half of its population is of part-white mixed race, either mestizo (mixed white and Amerindian) or mulatto (mixed white and black) or triracial (of mixed white, black and Amerindian), who together account for approximately 50% of the region's total population. However, these percentages vary by country. Some countries, such as Argentina, Brazil and Chile, have large European-descended populations, while in others, such as Bolivia, European descendants make up a very small percentage of society. A very large minority (perhaps 30%) of Latin Americans is of mainly European descent. Amerindians, Asians, Blacks, and zambos (mixed black and Amerindian) make up the remaining 20%. In the Latin American context, the "Ideal of Beauty" is not to be of mixed European and other ancestry - as most Latin Americans already are of that ancestry - but rather to be unmixed European.

In this instance, the Latin American entertainment industry is saturated with criollos (people of unmixed Spanish ancestry) or other Europeans, with few mestizos, fewer mulattos, and almost no unmixed blacks or Amerindians. In the Dominican Republic, a predominantly mulatto country, skin whitening products are also quite popular and readily available.[citation needed]

This European idealisation of beauty has also lead to a condition of ethnic forgery among many Latin Americans. However, in contrast to the Filipino experience where the majority is composed of unmixed native Filipinos of whom some attempt to claim mix-blooded status, in Latin America the norm is for some within the mix-blooded majority to concentrate on attempting to diminish, hide or deny any non-European admixture. These will then often falsely claim to be pure Spanish or other European in their attempts to conform to the idealized pedigree dictated by their Latin American socio-racial hierarchy. See also Passing - Race

A common joke in the United States, among both Hispanics and non-Hispanics alike, is the presence of more blonde and blue-eyed presenters on US-based Spanish language television networks such as Telemundo and Univisión than on the general public networks such as NBC or CBS. In Mexico the joke is made by suggesting the re-naming of media giant TV Azteca into "TV Blanca" (White TV), because in a country of over 100 million, where 60% is mestizo, 30% is Amerindian and 9% is unmixed European, almost every single presenter is an unmixed Spanish descendant or other European; there are few mestizos, and almost no natives after whom the network is supposedly named after, the Aztecs. [7]


go ahead keep talking $hit! they would have more rights to being hispanic! laugh.gif
Pakimo
I think our govt. is totally completely corrupted beyond repair.

Perhaps if everyone associated with the government was massacred, and whole new people took over, there would still be hope for a better economy for the Philippines...
Pakimo
QUOTE(*promo @ Sep 24 2007, 09:21 AM) [snapback]3227926[/snapback]
SHOW WHERE WE FIT IN HERE AS "Hispanic" SHOW ME! don't understand...

too bad Filipinos are blind to their own culture.

influence! there is a difference! we are not hispanic!


that nice that they did not include Lapu-Lapu there! NICE very ARROGENT OF THEM!

Legazpi later went on to found Manila in 1571 ....FOUND? OH THE fu-kING ARROGANCE!!!

THAT DESCRPTION IS FLAWED AND SHOULD BE REWRITEN!

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Word.


People really shouldn't believe everything they read.
BatangDamo
Warning Given

Stop flaming and personal attacks.
Dette
Hey guys, cool it down. I think some of you are going out of the topic.The author of this thread posted about what do we think about the Philippines becoming a developed country.I think it is obvious now why Philippines are having a hard time becoming a well developed country among its neighboring country in SoutheastAsia. You can easily tell by how the people mostly filipino on this thread behave. No wonder why we can't be united and theres no solidarity in pursuing a successful nation. I believe it should start first with an individual filipino before we can go further.

It is true that the Philippines has been under the Spanish regime during our ancestor's time and we all know about that fact. It has been noted that Philippines is known for being a standout among many nations specially in claiming back its freedom and independence from different invaders whether it be Spanish or other conquerors.It was not only Spanish who invaded Philippines but also some western countries as well. We were influenced with not just hispanic cultures but with other different cultures too such as the western. So dont just focus on hispanic.

The thing is during the time of our ancestors and up to the present time where we are, Filipinos would constantly fight back and drive away any foreign invaders and dictatorship out of our native land in any way we can so to speak. It is a well known character for Filipinos to be independent. Its so sad that our present regime is obviously still under the influence of foreign dictatorship. So guys, we should think that it is possible for the Philippines to become more of what it is now and somehow we can contribute to that being a responsible individual as a Filipino whether you are in or out of the Philippines but still a Pinoy.Unless you forgot about your roots.

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