obviously this type of "turning over old rock" to see what's underneath is not a pretty sight. we best stop making this kind of old war topics. you countryman tofu101 keep making topic of vietnam war in korean chat. some korean will come to viet chat and make war topics too. this type of behavior is not good.

Its really no better than when Koreans go to China chat or Japanese chat and do the EXACT same thing.

I noticed that some Commie "atrocities" were committed against the Montagnards; if the VC didn't kill them than those cowardly VNCH motherfu-king American-cocksucking soldiers would've massacre them as well.

Have nothing to say? Kissing any guys online lately? Its funny how youre not spamming those Vietnamese topics you made in K-chat. Maybe its because of how badly you were owned in them . All the whiny uber nationalists here can make up all the lies they want about kill ratios. It still doesnt change the fact that most of the world recognizes the truth. Nor do they even know what kill ratios are(military deaths not civilian deaths).

You know jack squat and make laughable excuses about those kill ratios. This one guy here utterly destroyed his own credibility when he claimed that Koreas kill ratios factored in airstrikes even though the South Korean air force played virtually no role in Vietnam . I guess certain blind nationalists here just love to make up lies.

Viet Cong Assassins killing people who supported the RVN................................

"Ap Quang Nam's mayor was something special too. Slight, gaunt of face behind a thick mustache, Ngo Tuong, 49, was a Popular Forces soldier who had come back home to serve as mayor only last month. Tuong liked to wear a black beret and a camouflage suit in making the rounds of his constituency, was both efficient and remarkably honest. Though he carried a pistol, he disdained a regular Marine guard detail, rightly judging that it would not sit well with his villagers. Anyway, there seemed little danger. Ap Quang Nam had been so thoroughly pacified after the marines drove the Viet Cong north of the Ca De River eight months ago that only occasional mines had shattered its tranquillity. Until last week, that is, when Tuong called a Buddhist prayer meeting at the house of his aunt in the village.

Suddenly two Viet Cong, who had slipped into the village the night before and hidden in a nearby house, burst in on the 40 worshipers. One fired a Czech burp gun, instantly killing the two officiating priests and Tuong's aunt, and hitting Tuong in the shoulder. Unable to draw his pistol, Tuong ran. A second burst cut him down in mid-courtyard. As so often happens in the terrorist war, the two assassins escaped in the confusion. In angry frustration, Tuong's nephew seized a long knife, raced next door and stabbed to death the man who had taken the assassins into his house overnight.

Tuong's death was another grim example of the Communists' use of terrorism and atrocity against South Viet Nam's 37,000 local officials, more than 1,400 of whom were killed or kidnaped last year alone."

This article was taken from TIME's "Death at Prayers" , Feb. 25th, 1966.

hey all you koreans...no use trying to use logic to have discussions with these vc nationalists like phreezen and asean. they only understand monkey sign language and sounds because they are from the jungle.

Tell me what do you understand about records of history ? tell me what do you understand about war ?
Tell me if you understand about these two things, then I will explain to you WHY your country is still divided,
why your people are still paying US (military) living in your own home, why your brothers and sisters are
living in vain under KYI, and why the Japanese 'til this day has not made an official apology to the atrocities
on the soul of your countrymen.

I agree, which is why I refrain from responding continually on this thread. The Vietnamese members can handle this themselves. His intention to create a thread exclusively about VC atrocities isn't going to justify the crimes committed by the Korean troops. This bait-n-switch strategy is utterly pointless.



True, but that will just go against my true intention to even why I created my first flaimbait thread on Korean Chat, the "Koreans should stop spreading lies about Vietnam war" thread. My threads after that was appraoched more seriously, in which my goal was to EXPOSE the crimes and lies about Korean involvement in Vietnam. However, many ethnocentric Korean members could not handle the truth, which was why EAD desperately requested for the threads to be closed.



Hmm, never thought about that. You sure know a lot of these things. Did you or are you majoring in history? If I continue to troll on K-Chat, I will only focus on my main goal in trying to expose the war atrocities commited by Koreans further.



Actually, I don't feel they are "huanting" me at all. I don't understand why Chuckie resorted to creating a thread exclusively about VC atrocities. It's not like it has anything to do with the Korenas. Again, it will not justify the atrocities commited by the Koreans in Vietnam. If some Koreans wish to be in denial, so it be. I've changed my tactic now to only EXPOSING the issue and less trolling.

How on earth am I suppose to answer this question? Its so vague.



Again, how am I suppose to answer a question this vague?



I already know why my country is divided. You learn about it in 1st grade lol.

And sorry to burst your bubble and credibility but we dont really pay the US military. It comes from American taxes lol.



Uhh because they live in a communist dictatorship. Why are you asking me such an obvious question? And who the hell is KYI? Do you mean Kim Jong Il(KJI)?

I have a better question for you. Why is it that the average South Korean person makes 22 times more per year than the average Vietnamese person based on GDP nominal? If you think that sounds snobbish then quit being a tool and mentioning North Korea.



Ask the Japanese and their right wing politicians, not me.

EAD, your stamina for arguing on internet forums is impressive

From your answers, it is obviously you don't understand the fundamentals of the two things I mentioned above.
Those questions are rhetorical questions. Should you understand the fundamentals of those two things I mentioned,
your answers would not be unintelligent as I had expected. Obviously, your responses had answered my one question about you.
So, this is Korean intelligent huh? I hope you don't represent the rest of your countrymen.

Evil Asian Dude, get the fu-k out of Viet chat if you're here spreading your Kill Ratio Bull$hit.
Since Civilian deaths were included in that Kill Ratio, what would you consider the Kill ratio of the Japanese occupation in Japan?

You question is out of context and insensitive. If Korea was bombed and ravaged like Vietnam, I don't believe that S. Korea would have been where it is today. Another thing is the other half of Korea is still being isolated while Vietnam is unified. I just hate when people think Vietnam is poor because the Vietnamese is not a capable and intelligent people. No country had endured war like Vietnam in the modern history, mind you.

Don't worry about EAD. Like always, he comes to Viet chat to troll. I mean, just look at his comment you responded to:

"Have nothing to say? Kissing any guys online lately? Its funny how youre not spamming those Vietnamese topics you made in K-chat. Maybe its because of how badly you were owned in them . All the whiny uber nationalists here can make up all the lies they want about kill ratios. It still doesnt change the fact that most of the world recognizes the truth. Nor do they even know what kill ratios are(military deaths not civilian deaths).

You know jack squat and make laughable excuses about those kill ratios. This one guy here utterly destroyed his own credibility when he claimed that Koreas kill ratios factored in airstrikes even though the South Korean air force played virtually no role in Vietnam . I guess certain blind nationalists here just love to make up lies."

Wasn't he the one coming in here first bragging about kill ratios? Not to mention, leaving out the civilians who were included in such delusional claim. He mentions the kill ratio being 1:20, then changed it to 1:25, while some other Koreans say it's 1:15 or 1:17. OMG what is it already? That's percisely the reason why I urged this fool him not to going around teaching other Koreans such undisputed claim. By ignoring my exposure of Korean atrocities in Vietnam, he resort to accusing me of lying about everything. Also, he ignores how the Koreans sold out when they entered Vietnam to receive freebies from America. Not to mention, killing tens of thousands of innocent lives and raping Vietnamese civilians by doing so. Shame, shame, shame. Anyway, I also hope EAD do not represent the entire Korean race.

I wonder really and is tofu101 Vietnamese? or not
if he is not vietnamese
His Chinese is sure as look id and.Conduct written banishment
For alienation

if he is not vietnamese
vietnamese must kick out this stupid spy(tofu101) from vietnam

Did you know Vietnam helped South Korea industrialized? It's true, check this out: LINK

Also, Vietnam today is developing quite well (SEE HERE)If it had not been for the trade embargo imposed on us by America and the war in which they created; not to mention the crimes and destruction committed by South Korean troops, we would NOT be in the same condition as we are today. As for South Korea, they started industrializing mainly in the 70's, even though their war ended in the 50s. Not to mention, both America and Japan took responsibility in helping South Korea industrialize. Without them, South Korea would still be a $hithole farm country like it was during the 60s. In addition, the economic aid in which they received for their crime in Vietnam went straight to industrializing their farm country. So, EAD is being ignorant by bragging about SK income per captia being higher than Vietnam, leaving out these important factors. Also, both Vietnam and North Korea are communist countries, but Vietnam is sure doing hell of a lot than North Korea, bc we have better economic ideologies and dont have a crazy man running our country. With that said, cheers to Vietnam!

this dude is very fun

Garbage...Since when is trade with the US is a right? A trade embargo is the same as no trade, correct? Then why was Viet Nam in such sorry state when there was no trade with the US while the Soviet Union was supporting the country?

South Korea fared better because the country did not subscribed to the failed 'economic' policies of communism, and the fact that Viet Nam has 'better economic ideologies' today should be construed as an indictment to the communists for creating suffering and miseries for the unified Viet Nam. The Soviet Union supported unified communist Viet Nam and the country was an economic sh!thole. But the US and Japan invested in South Korea and made the country a global economic power and it is a shame. But then we know by now that communists are not that smart anyway.

"A trade embargo is the same as no trade, correct?"


No you are not correct. A trade embargo is known as economic warfare.


Not to mention the South Korean economy collapsed and had to be bailed out.

Don't bothr with this guy nomad. He's caught in time warp in the 60's.

You guys are probably too young to know that the U.S. (Jimmy Carter) wanted to normalize full relations with Vietnam in 1977 but the communist regime at the time was kinda stiff in negotiations with the U.S., so it was a missed opportunity. They admit it now:

Sau khi đảng Dân chủ thắng cử, Tổng Thống Jimmy Carter muốn cải thiện quan hệ với Việt Nam vì một số lý do, trong đó có việc ổn định tình hình khu vực Đông Nam Á. Tháng 3 năm 1977 phái đoàn Woodcock sang Hà Nội để thăm dò khả năng bình thường hóa quan hệ với Việt Nam và cho rằng Việt Nam sẵn sàng bình thường hóa quan hệ không điều kiện với sự hiểu biết rằng sau khi quan hệ đã bình thường hóa thì Mỹ sẽ viện trợ, cuộc đàm phán Mỹ-Việt bắt đầu từ tháng 5 năm 1977. Theo nguyên Thứ Trưởng Ngoại Giao Trần Quang Cơ :

Cuộc đàm phán diễn ra khá lâu, phải qua 3 vòng đàm phán trong tháng 5, tháng 6 và tháng 12 năm 1977. Địa điểm luân phiên ở đại sứ quán ta và đại sứ quán Mỹ tại Pháp. Trong đàm phán vòng 1 (ngày 3-4/5/1977), lập trường của Mỹ là hai bên thiết lập ngoại giao đầy đủ ngay và vô điều kiện, còn những vấn đề khác giữa hai bên để lại giải quyết sau; Mỹ sẽ không cản Việt Nam vào Liên Hiệp Quốc. Còn về điều 21 Hiệp định Pa-ri về ngưng chiến tranh ở Việt Nam, Mỹ có khó khăn về pháp luật nên không thực hiện được, hứa sẽ thực hiện khi đã có quan hệ, bỏ cấm vận buôn bán và xét viện trợ nhân đạo. Theo chỉ thị đã nhận trước khi đi, ta kiên quyết đòi phải giải quyết “cả gói” 3 vấn đề: ta và Mỹ bình thường hóa quan hệ (bao gồm cả việc bỏ cấm vận và lập quan hệ ngoại giao đầy đủ), ta giúp Mỹ giải quyết vấn đề MIA và Mỹ viện trợ 3,2 tỷ đô-la cho Việt Nam như đã hứa hẹn trước đây. Trở ngại lớn nhất cho việc bình thường hóa quan hệ là việc ta đòi Mỹ viện trợ 3,2 tỷ đô-la cho ta vì Quốc hội Mỹ khi đó dứt khoát không chấp nhận viện trợ làm điều kiện cho việc bình thường hóa quan hệ với Việt Nam. Ngày 2-3/6, đàm phán vòng 2, Mỹ nêu lại các đề nghị hồi tháng 5. Ngày 19/7/1977, tại Hội Đồng Bảo An Liên Hiệp Quốc, Mỹ rút bỏ việc phủ quyết Việt Nam vào Liên Hiệp Quốc. Sau vòng 2, anh Phan Hiền đã bay về Hà Nội báo cáo và xin chỉ thị, thực chất là đề nghị trên nên có thái độ thực tế và đối sách mềm dẽo hơn, nhưng nghe nói cả 4 vị lãnh đạo chủ chốt của ta lúc đó (các ông Lê Duẫn, Lê Đức Thọ, Trường Chinh và Phạm Văn Đồng) đều nhất trí lập trường trên. Trước đòi hỏi kiên quyết của ta, tại vòng 3 (19-20/12/1978), Mỹ đề nghị nếu chưa thỏa thuận được về thiết lập quan hệ ngoại giao đầy đủ thì có thể lập Phòng Quyền lợi (Interest section) ở thủ đô hai nước, nhưng như vậy thì chưa bỏ cấm vận được. Sau khi có Phòng Quyền lợi thì sẽ tùy tình hình mà xét bỏ cấm vận, song ta vẫn giữ lập trường cứng nhắc đòi giải quyết “cả gói” 3 vấn đề. Rõ ràng năm 1977 chính quyền Carter thực sự muốn bình thường hóa quan hệ với Việt Nam và năm 1977 đã có khả năng thực tế để ta bình thường hóa quan hệ với Mỹ nhưng ta đã bỏ qua.[23] Rồi từ giữa năm 1977, Quốc hội Mỹ thông qua luật cấm viện trợ cho Việt Nam. Quan hệ Việt-Mỹ ngày càng thêm trở ngại và có ảnh hưởng đến các chính sách liên quan đến người làm việc trong chính quyền của nước Việt Nam Cộng Hòa. Cũng từ năm 1978, Mỹ đẩy nhanh quá trình bình thường hoá quan hệ với Trung Quốc (từ tháng 2.73, khi Kissinger đi thăm Bắc Kinh. Trung Quốc và Mỹ đã ký thoả thuận lập Cơ quan liên lạc ở thủ đô 2 nước với quy chế như một sứ quán). Nước cờ "chơi lá bài Trung Quốc để ngăn chặn Liên Xô" của cố vấn an ninh quốc gia Z.Bzrezinski đã dần dần lấn lướt chủ trương của ngoại trưởng Cyrus Vance và R.Holbrooke là "thúc đẩy song song việc cải thiện quan hệ với Việt Nam và Trung Quốc". Ngày 23.8.78, trong lúc Mỹ đàm phán về bình thường hoá quan hệ với ta ở Paris, ngoại trưởng Mỹ C.Vance đã đi thăm Bắc Kinh. Cho đến khi Đặng Tiểu Bình tuyên bố "Trung Quốc là NATO phương Đông" và "Việt Nam là Cuba phương Đông" (19.5.78) và Bizezinski đi thăm Trung Quốc (20.5.78) thì chính quyền Carter đã chọn con đường bình thường hoá quan hệ với Trung Quốc và gác sang bên việc bình thường hoá quan hệ với Việt Nam.

Như vậy sự cứng rắn trong chuyên chính với kẻ thù đã có quan hệ mật thiết với quá trình bình thường hóa quan hệ ngoại giao với Mỹ.

I created this thread to expose Vietnamese crimes against humanity which has been covered up. I wanted to show everyone the flaws of Vienamese blaming for their atrocities and failures on the foreigners (everyone else except themselves). Reading all the Vietnamese replies to my thread, I obviously did not do a good job of sharing the information. Vietnamese should admit what they did was wrong.

Let me punch you in the face and be your friend right afterward.

Why do you try to sound like self-righteous, honorable, and upright? Such a hypocritical act...

And by the way,
1- instead of crimes against humanity replace it with crime against Vietnameses. The word usage of "humanity" is such an exxageration and out of proportion.

2- The only flaw of Vietnamese, or more specifically VNCH, was that VNCH allowed foregin troops' presence on their soils. This not only caused the deterioration of VNCH troops' morale but also created unrest among civilians (expecially after incidents of foreign troops went on rampage killing whoever was on sight)

3- Foreign influences helped aggrevate and start the war.

4- And what failure from the VietNamese are you talking about? Viet Nam endured through the independent war against France, civil war, 1979 war and Vietnamese army's occupation in Cambodia, and the trade embago.

5- It's always easy to accumulate hatred toward foreigners. for example, would you feel more enraged and disturbed if a Korean woman was rape by a foreigner in Korea? and vice versa, would you have the same degree of outrage if that sexual assault cased committed, instead, by a Korean culprit in Korea?
I assume that Tofu was just angry at that fact that foreigners, in this case Korean, killed innocent Vietnameses. And you came here and retaliated by posting some bad deeds committed by the VC against VietNamese which is totally irrelevant.


Most Vietnameses are aware that the VC isn't an "impeccable" government. So it's kinda redundant and unnecessary to have someone who "dont care about Viet Nam or its people" to google some thing from the internet and post whatever they found here. Hint: you can point out how bad the other person is but that doesn't prove you are a good one either.

eh.. double post.. srry

Everyone, stop arguing with these good-for-nothing VNCH motherfu-kers.


All these VNCH motherfu-kers are just jealous because the VC now have the reign over VietNam, whilst their washed-up VNCH grandfathers, fathers, uncles and other relatives overseas are no longer in control in VietNam to squander the country's wealth at the expense of the blood, sweat and tears of the VietNamese people. While sucking American d!cks at the same time.

Dear VNCH motherfu-kers, if you animals want to suck a d!ck you're all welcome to suck mine.

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I want a meal, not a snack. I want a Big Mac, not a couple of Chicken McNuggets.

good to see you still around nomad. you see the VC e-gangsters starting to get personal whenever you enter these discussions because they don't have any real answers.

You have further confirmed that communists are not very smart. A trade embargo is indeed an ACT of (economic) 'war', but we are talking about the effects of an embargo, which is no trade. After Viet Nam was unified and a communist 'economic' system and policy was forced upon the people, were there any trade between the US and Viet Nam? No. Were there any trade between Viet Nam and the USSR? Yes.

So let us see...

Viet Nam + USSR = sh!tty economy.
Viet Nam - USSR = sh!tty economy.

So how can you say that the trade embargo by the US is the cause of Viet Nam's sh!tty economy? May be it is a good thing for Viet Nam that you are not able to have any effect on policy making.

South Korea + US = regional economic power.
Japan + US = regional and global economic power.
Taiwan + US = regional economic power.

What difference does it make if South Korea was bailed out by the US? Was it a good thing that South Korea and Japan bailed out Thailand a while back? Why should it be 'shameful' that South Korea was aided by the US and succeeded but not shameful for Viet Nam for being supported by the USSR and still cannot rise above the poverty line?

You sound like a worn-out record. VN is a capitalist socialist country nowadays like China and they are both doing well. If you refer to the past, well the past no longer exist. So learn to accept what is now and not what was in the 70's and 80's. Based on your assertion, then the corollary is that a Western-style government would have a great economic development, right? So, then please explain why Philippines is not doing all that well after 50 years of democracy.

Apparently, in the eyes of Koreans--two wrongs make a right, which is exactly what is being portrayed here. It's hilarious to see how these "Corean Pryde" people keep insisting on the VC crimes, yet at the same time--completely fail to see the countless number of Overseas Vietnamese railing against the Communist government for its mishaps. But the thing is, since when was the crimes of VCs of any concern to these Koreans? Let's not forget the countless atrocities commited by the ROK government against its own citizens during the Korean War (see below), which by the way, are many times greater than what the VCs could ever hope to achieve. As far as I'm concerned, Koreans--amongst all people--are the last ones to be complaining about anything related to the Vietnamese civil war, especially when the very reason why South Korea is where it is today is due to the tainted blood of innocent Vietnamese civilians. It goes without saying that the South Korean model of "industrialization" is hardly one worthy of being imitated.





-- Committee for the Abolition of the Third World Debt

The ones with the broken records are the commie lovers who usually trot out 'the French' as if somehow to be critical of communism, a failed ideology, is automatically to be with 'the French'. The past, as far as relevancy goes, exists only for the generation who were directly involved in the history making process. That mean 'the French' no longer matter but the communists does. That means what happened in the 70s and 80s remains relevant as the kids here and their parents are products of that history making process. I am in my mid-40s. How old are you what memories do you have of Viet Nam as far as the war goes? Do not bother bringing up the failures of some nominally 'democratic' regimes as if somehow that would validate the imposition of communism and ALL the failed regimes communism produce. It is an intellectually shallow argument. Why do SOME democratic/capitalist regimes succeeded where others failed? That inconsistency beggars the examination of individual regimes. Next question is why do ALL communist regimes utter failures? That consistency beggars the examination of the ideology itself. Which is more damning?

You can grow old but not necessarily wiser. I don't want to get in a duel with you about age and yes I did live in Vietnam through its trial and tribulation. The difference between you and me is that you are stuck in the 80's and I am moving on since I see progress in Vietnam. You keep dragging on commie and soviet union. Last time I check, neither exist anymore.

Funny how the commie lovers here never hesitate to demand 'the French', the US and the VNCH motherf*ckers be held responsible for the war, but whenever the incompetent, bloody and despotic communist regime of unified Viet Nam be taken to task for the needless suffering and miseries of the people, I am 'stuck' in the past, that Viet Nam is making 'progress' ad nauseum.

I don't think you know what an embargo is. If you agreed it is economic warfare...then I suggest you look up what economic warfare is....


"South Korea + US = regional economic power.
Japan + US = regional and global economic power.
Taiwan + US = regional economic power.

What difference does it make if South Korea was bailed out by the US? Was it a good thing that South Korea and Japan bailed out Thailand a while back? Why should it be 'shameful' that South Korea was aided by the US and succeeded but not shameful for Viet Nam for being supported by the USSR and still cannot rise above the poverty line?"

What difference you asked?....S. Korea, Japan, and Taiwan are known to be the lapdogs of America. Lapdogs shouldn't be angry when they boast about how great it is to be a lapdog and when someone calls them that, they get angry.


Not to mention S. Korea is a foreign owned country. Known fact.

Is that the best you got? How pathetic. So here it is again...

Viet Nam + USSR = sh!tty economy.
Viet Nam - USSR = sh!tty economy.

Explain this consistency please.

As if Viet Nam, Cuba, North Korea and all of Eastern Europe were not the lapdogs of the Soviets. And ALL of them are/were abject failures. Communists shouldn't get angry when successful countries call their ideology and what they produce 'failures'. That is the greatest difference of all.

Why so angry, lapdog? Don't be bittered.


I believe I've answered all your questions. And you keep agreeing with me. Pretty sad. Now you are just copying everything I say....


If you need any more answers let me know...Thanks.

Oh, and regarding the kill ratio of Korean marines:



Source

So basically, 13 Koreans against an entire "Elite North Vietnamese Army Regiment". 2 Koreans and 400+ NVA dead. And here's the real kicker: It broke down into hand-to-hand combat! Lol, I am at a complete loss for words right now. You Koreans sure have a great sense of humor, just make sure the shit doesn't hit the fan when those Norks/Chinese/Japanese come to your little village for your heads and your sisters, again.

The only hand to hand combat korean do is beats off Japaneses soldiers and give away their young women and girls as "comfort women" when the Japanese enters the country. Their last queen was raped and burnt alive by Japanese imperialist and they couldn't do $hit. Where was your hand to hand combat skills then? Oh wait...that's right..

Puny little corea trying to act tough by making up bull$hit stories. buhuhahahaha!

Angry and bitter? Nonsense, fool. You cannot answer even one simple question -- Why was Viet Nam so economically depressed despite the billions the Soviets poured into the country? A trade embargo means no trade. Soviet support take the place of the US. Yet Viet Nam remained an economic sh!thole. Why?

13 Koreans killing 400 NVAs were nothing.

John Rambo killed an entire Division of the NVA with a knife, an M-16, a pistol, and some explosives. now that's fuking amazing!

remember a Division has tens of thousands of soldiers!


John Rambo! Single handed took down an NVA Division!

Rambo and Chuck Norris are my heroes!!!!

damn and i thought Viets hated Khmers more

Vietnam should just do whatever best serves her-people's interest. Base on recent news and historical events, I say the Vietnamese's leadership had learned it well; the Vietnamese armed force is there to protect and serves the people and the nation alone. I hope it will never be use to serve other-people's interest where Viet's blood are split for the sake and security of foreigner.

Hey, lapdog.

I've told you I've already answered that in a previous post. I've told you if you don't know what economic warfare is, I suggest you look it up. It isn't my fault if you don't understand it.

A trade embargo doesn't mean no trade....I've told you to look it up if you don't know what a trade embargo is.

And I've told you many times over that your posts doesn't make sense....please clarify. Have I not stated this?


The 'billions the Soviets poured into the the country' as you so ignorantly stated, refers mostly to military. In fact, President Putin stated that Russia is willing to forgive 85% of the total 11 billion Viet Nam owed during the Soviet period.





And yes, you lapdogs are very angry and bittered....

You really are a mental midget. If a trade embargo does NOT mean no trade, then what is it? Here is the definition of 'embargo'...



What is the common denominator here? How about no trade? Did the US imposed a naval blockade off Viet Nam? We know from history that did not happen. So what did the US do? How about option 2? And what is the effect of option 2? How about no trade? But does that mean the US was able to force other countries from trading with communist Viet Nam? We know from history that did not happened as well since South Korea, Japan and several other European countries were in trade with communist Viet Nam while the US trade embargo on its own country was in full effect. The only thing your peanut size brain can comprehend is that a trade embargo can be qualified as an act of war. Nothing more, but then by now it is obvious to everyone that is the limit of your intellect. Further, there are many reasons for 'no trade' and an embargo is only one of those reasons. If a country has nothing worthwhile to trade with neighbors, then 'no trade' occur. Simple enough for you?

So here are some updated equations to show everyone how limited your intelligence really is:

(Viet Nam + communism) + embargo = sh!tty economy
(Viet Nam + communism) + USSR + embargo = sh!tty economy
(Viet Nam + communism) + South Korean trade = sh!tty economy
(Viet Nam + communism) + South Korean trade + Japanese trade = sh!tty economy

See a common theme here?

From a wannabe 4 star general to now expert economist. LOL
You're a joke, just like all Ngo Dinh Diem type Catholics.
BTW, why rag so much on communism, when ironically you types indirectly brought them into power?

The Murder of a P.O.W.

"35 Years After His Death, Army Vietnam POW Earns a Medal of Honor for Bravery in Captivity

By Steve Vogel
Thursday, May 23, 2002

More than 35 years after he was executed by his Viet Cong captors in Vietnam, Rocky Versace is close to receiving his nation's highest honor.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld recently forwarded to the White House a package that would award Versace, a former Alexandria resident, the Medal of Honor, according to family members and military officials. Legislation authorizing the medal for Versace already has been passed by Congress and signed by President Bush. A date for presenting the medal will be set by the White House.

"The family is just elated about this," said Rocky's brother, Steve Versace, an administrator with the University of Maryland in College Park.

Unlike the Air Force, Navy and Marines, the Army has never awarded the Medal of Honor to a POW from Vietnam for actions during captivity. Pentagon officials said it would be the first time in the modern era that the medal has gone to an Army POW for heroism during captivity in any war.

Green Beret Capt. Humbert Roque Versace was taken prisoner in October 1963, during an operation near U Minh Forest, a Viet Cong stronghold. Over the next two years, Versace defied his captors' attempts to indoctrinate him, so infuriating them that they executed him in 1965. He was 27.

"He told them to go to hell in Vietnamese, French and English," one of Versace's fellow captives, Dan Pitzer, who died in 1997, told an oral historian. "He got a lot of pressure and torture, but he held his path. As a West Point grad, it was duty, honor, country. There was no other way. He was brutally murdered because of it."

Another prisoner who was held with Versace, Maj. Nick Rowe, escaped after five years and later made an impassioned plea to President Richard M. Nixon that Versace receive the Medal of Honor, describing how his resistance deflected punishment from other captives and steeled their will to resist. "

You betcha...I ghost authored Alan Greenspan's current tome. During the Cold War, I trained James Bond, the real one. I am also a fully trained astronaut.

Indirectly? Come now, you can do better than that. The communists played a cruel joke on humanity and Viet Nam paid a price. You are laughing on the blood of your countrymen.