Who were in China first before the existent of so many minorities in CHINA?
Hmong folklores and Chinese folklores depicted the Hmong and Chinese as brother and the Lolo (aka Ethnic Yi) as neighbor.
Anyways, many Hmong elders still used the sentence, "yuav mus ua Mav thiab Suav" or "zoo nkauj thiab zoo nraug li Suav thiab Mav."
the first one means, going to become Mang(Yi/Lolo) and Swa(Chinese). the second one is, Beautiful and Handsome like Swa(Chinese) and Mang(Yi/Lolo).
Anyways, I never knew what "Man" or "Mang" was even though many Hmong used that word to refer to some ethnic people that many Hmong have never met before.
So, I come to conclude that the three ethnic groups that were in China first were the CHINESE, HMONG and LOLO.
here is a little story from one of the Miao folklore "how the chinese took possession of the land" that were recorded and written down by a westerner in the late 1800s and early 1900s... thank Leyla for the link. lol
Chinese Take Possession of the Land .
They fought several days. The
Chinese could not defeat the Lolos and the
Miao. The Chinese said, 'We need not fight
any longer. If we fight any longer more
people will be killed. We had better determine
the bounds of each other's land and each
one himself mark his boundary." They all
said, "Quite right." The Chinese went and
used stones as boundary markers. The Lolos
used wood to mark their boundaries. The
Miao used grass and vines for boundary
markers.
When they had all established their boundaries
the Chinese said, "Such a forest is so
big that we cannot see our boundaries. We
should burn it with fire so we can see them
clearly." Soon after he had said this the
Chinese used a torch and burnt up the forest.
Then all went to look at their boundaries,
but only the Chinese then had boundaries,
and the Miao had nothing dependable.
Then the Chinese brought their wives and
children to live on the Miao's big plain and
the large land by the streams. The Lolos
were fierce and would not permit the Chinese
to come and live there (on the Lolo
lands), and afterward they fought several
battles. The Miao could only be guests (renters)
of the Chinese and must pay rent every
year, and because of this the Chinese without
farming are still able to get things to eat;
hence they have been called Swa 5T because
they are idle rich. The meaning of Mang is
fierce, daring, brave, so the Lolos are called
Mang. The Chinese saw that the hmong 6s
(hmoY) did their farming well, so they
called them Miao. This is the source of the
names of the three races.
Full Version: THE THREE ETHNIC GROUPS in PRE-Ancient CHINA
Some Chuanqiandian Hmong people refer to themselves as "Meej" also. The Lolo are more commonly referred to as "Yi" people.
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Some Chuanqiandian Hmong people refer to themselves as "Meej" also. The Lolo are more commonly referred to as "Yi" people.
Yes, but Meej does not sound like MAN. So the Yi are Lolo.. cool...
Thank.. I know what the Yi are but I didn't know that Lolo are another name.
I heard of Lolo but I didn't know what they are.
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Who were in China first before the existent of so many minorities in CHINA?
Hmong folklores and Chinese folklores depicted the Hmong and Chinese as brother and the Lolo (aka Ethnic Yi) as neighbor.
Anyways, many Hmong elders still used the sentence, "yuav mus ua Mav thiab Suav" or "zoo nkauj thiab zoo nraug li Suav thiab Mav."
the first one means, going to become Mang(Yi/Lolo) and Swa(Chinese). the second one is, Beautiful and Handsome like Swa(Chinese) and Mang(Yi/Lolo).
Anyways, I never knew what "Man" or "Mang" was even though many Hmong used that word to refer to some ethnic people that many Hmong have never met before.
So, I come to conclude that the three ethnic groups that were in China first were the CHINESE, HMONG and LOLO.
here is a little story from one of the Miao folklore "how the chinese took possession of the land" that were recorded and written down by a westerner in the late 1800s and early 1900s... thank Leyla for the link. lol
Chinese Take Possession of the Land .
They fought several days. The
Chinese could not defeat the Lolos and the
Miao. The Chinese said, 'We need not fight
any longer. If we fight any longer more
people will be killed. We had better determine
the bounds of each other's land and each
one himself mark his boundary." They all
said, "Quite right." The Chinese went and
used stones as boundary markers. The Lolos
used wood to mark their boundaries. The
Miao used grass and vines for boundary
markers.
When they had all established their boundaries
the Chinese said, "Such a forest is so
big that we cannot see our boundaries. We
should burn it with fire so we can see them
clearly." Soon after he had said this the
Chinese used a torch and burnt up the forest.
Then all went to look at their boundaries,
but only the Chinese then had boundaries,
and the Miao had nothing dependable.
Then the Chinese brought their wives and
children to live on the Miao's big plain and
the large land by the streams. The Lolos
were fierce and would not permit the Chinese
to come and live there (on the Lolo
lands), and afterward they fought several
battles. The Miao could only be guests (renters)
of the Chinese and must pay rent every
year, and because of this the Chinese without
farming are still able to get things to eat;
hence they have been called Swa 5T because
they are idle rich. The meaning of Mang is
fierce, daring, brave, so the Lolos are called
Mang. The Chinese saw that the hmong 6s
(hmoY) did their farming well, so they
called them Miao. This is the source of the
names of the three races.
Hmong folklores and Chinese folklores depicted the Hmong and Chinese as brother and the Lolo (aka Ethnic Yi) as neighbor.
Anyways, many Hmong elders still used the sentence, "yuav mus ua Mav thiab Suav" or "zoo nkauj thiab zoo nraug li Suav thiab Mav."
the first one means, going to become Mang(Yi/Lolo) and Swa(Chinese). the second one is, Beautiful and Handsome like Swa(Chinese) and Mang(Yi/Lolo).
Anyways, I never knew what "Man" or "Mang" was even though many Hmong used that word to refer to some ethnic people that many Hmong have never met before.
So, I come to conclude that the three ethnic groups that were in China first were the CHINESE, HMONG and LOLO.
here is a little story from one of the Miao folklore "how the chinese took possession of the land" that were recorded and written down by a westerner in the late 1800s and early 1900s... thank Leyla for the link. lol
Chinese Take Possession of the Land .
They fought several days. The
Chinese could not defeat the Lolos and the
Miao. The Chinese said, 'We need not fight
any longer. If we fight any longer more
people will be killed. We had better determine
the bounds of each other's land and each
one himself mark his boundary." They all
said, "Quite right." The Chinese went and
used stones as boundary markers. The Lolos
used wood to mark their boundaries. The
Miao used grass and vines for boundary
markers.
When they had all established their boundaries
the Chinese said, "Such a forest is so
big that we cannot see our boundaries. We
should burn it with fire so we can see them
clearly." Soon after he had said this the
Chinese used a torch and burnt up the forest.
Then all went to look at their boundaries,
but only the Chinese then had boundaries,
and the Miao had nothing dependable.
Then the Chinese brought their wives and
children to live on the Miao's big plain and
the large land by the streams. The Lolos
were fierce and would not permit the Chinese
to come and live there (on the Lolo
lands), and afterward they fought several
battles. The Miao could only be guests (renters)
of the Chinese and must pay rent every
year, and because of this the Chinese without
farming are still able to get things to eat;
hence they have been called Swa 5T because
they are idle rich. The meaning of Mang is
fierce, daring, brave, so the Lolos are called
Mang. The Chinese saw that the hmong 6s
(hmoY) did their farming well, so they
called them Miao. This is the source of the
names of the three races.
when referring to Suav duh! its the Han Chinese but Mas are not the Lolo/Yi the chinee called the manchu "Maam Tshum" so when saying Mas/mam we are referring to the Manchu using the first syllable for convenience
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when referring to Suav duh! its the Han Chinese but Mas are not the Lolo/Yi the chinee called the manchu "Maam Tshum" so when saying Mas/mam we are referring to the Manchu using the first syllable for convenience
well, i was thinking about the Manchu, but if you read the stories about the Ch'uan Miao (white miao of sichuan) than you'll know who the Lolo/Yi are.
Suav and Mam are given names that we Hmong gave to the Han Chinese and Yi.
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