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Beyond the pale?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7010885.stm






One of Bollywood's biggest film stars is being criticised by Asian campaigners for promoting a skin-lightening cream - a product that is now on the shelves of British shops.

The 40-second advertisement from India starts like so many others promoting razors or hair dye - but it's an ad with a very big difference.

There's a man who has no luck with the girls. He has markedly darker skin than his friends and the girl he is after. In a real song-and-dance Bollywood extravaganza, one of the biggest heart throbs of Indian cinema, Shahrukh Khan, hands over a cream to the hapless chap, along with some mild admonishment.

Within a few weeks, the young man has turned much lighter-skinned and confident. As he strides down the road like a modern-day answer to John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever, the girls start flocking to him and chanting: "Hi handsome, hi handsome." Khan comes back into view with the product, Fair and Handsome.

The skin-lightening cream for men, along with its more feminine counterparts, has found its way into Asian supermarkets and stores in the UK.

While Khan's advert has not been shown yet in the UK, it too has made its way to British consumers via YouTube. And the product's success or failure in the British market place may say something about the nature of beauty and the politics of race.

Kiran Kaur - a Sikh human rights activist in west London, one of the epicentres of Asian cultural life in the UK - says the arrival of Fair and Handsome, with a Bollywood name in tow, is a step back in time.

'Age-old prejudices'

"The ad simply reinforces the idea that you've got to be fair to be anything in life," says Kiran. "It says that if you're fair and good looking, you'll be a wonderful daughter-in-law or husband, your skin colour determines how successful you'll be in life. The ad reinforces age-old prejudices."

The skin-lightening industry is worth at least £100m in India and the Fair-and-Handsome-for-Men range is the latest product from one of the market's big players.

Manufacturers say they are responding to a demand, but in recent years protests in India have seen at least one advert taken off air. Other lightening products targeted at black women have been on sale for years, some of them containing chemicals banned for years from British goods.

Actress Rani Moorthy knows first hand about the prejudice suffered by Asians with darker skin. She is currently touring the UK with her play that focuses on skin colour, Shades of Brown.

"When I was a child my grandmother took me to one side and said make sure you're good at something, no man will ever marry you for your looks," she says.

"I knew this was because I was dark skinned. It was treated as a disease and every Friday I had to have oil baths in an attempt to lighten my skin".

'A huge star'

She feels a major Bollywood star backing a skin-lightning cream will intensify the prejudice that already exists within the South Asian community, in which the darker skinned can find themselves looked down upon - just as it still happens in parts of India today.

"Deep within this 5,000-year-old culture is the thought that high ideals, nobility and high caste are associated with fair skin," she says. "Dark skin is regarded as low status and low caste."

But what chance do voices like Rani's stand against the screen presence of Shahrukh Khan? Perhaps the best measure of Khan's influence on British Asians is to look at the success of his films.

Dil Se, released in 1998, was the first Bollywood movie to make it into the British box office Top 10.

The film's key clips, including an exhilarating dance upon a moving train, have totted up more than one million hits on YouTube. Khan, a big enough brand to be known just as SRK, is the equivalent of Tom Cruise - and then some.

His Fair-and-Handsome advert won't be missed by British Asians as they follow every Bollywood move, says Sunny Hundal, the editor of Asians in Media, a website that charts the rise of British Asian culture.

'Immoral'

"Shahrukh Khan is a huge star in India and his endorsement will no doubt raise the profile of this product," he says. "Impressionable young men will get the idea that if they want to be attractive like him, they should also use it."

"The cult of media personality, especially cricket or Bollywood stars, is a much bigger phenomena in India and so brands are much more partial to celebrity endorsements.

"But what SRK is essentially doing is confirming and promoting the condescending attitude that many Indians have towards dark-coloured skin. His endorsement is completely immoral."

Neither the manufacturers nor a spokesman for Khan would comment on his involvement in the campaign.

But Manish Shah, a distributor for Fair and Handsome says skin lightening creams are very important because "everybody wants to look really good".

"They're not bad for the skin," he says. "If people have an inferiority complex because of their skin colour, then this product will really help. It does what it says. It makes you fair and handsome. There's a lot of interest in this product and quite simply it makes people look really good."


Actor promotes skin-lightening cream (Video Clip)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/p...ram=1&asb=1



Skin colour and Asian dating
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6763443.stm

Since when did skin shade, religion and the prospect of living with your in-laws become a concern for educated, career women looking for Mr Right? For British Asian females, who are facing a shrinking pool of eligible men, Bridget Jones had it easy.

I can personally vouch that for every miserable, white Bridget Jones

singleton out there, there is a brown Bridget having a worse time.

Many young British Asian women, be they Muslim, Sikh or Hindu, are struggling to find a life partner. Alongside their white peers they have delayed marriage, putting education and careers first.

Brown Bridgets, however, have more to moan about, working around religious and cultural limits leaves them with a small pond to fish in when it comes to finding their Mr Right.

Samina (not her real name) is 32-year-old lawyer in Manchester and her experiences are typical of many Asian women.

"My friend Sarah is white and we're both around the same age and single," she says. "But the difference is I want to find someone of the same faith, so I have a much smaller choice of men."

It's not just religion that Samina has to contend with.

"A lot of Asian men want you to move into their parental home, some because they love living at home and being looked after, some because in Asian culture it's the son's duty to look after ageing parents.

"I'm independent and successful and it's daunting to think I might have to up sticks and move to another town to move in with my in-laws as soon as I'm married."

Matchmakers

Statistics seem to be against Asian women too. The last census showed that more British Asian men are marrying outside of their ethnic group than British Asian women.

For Asian men the option to "marry out" is made easier by the fact that it is culturally, and in some cases religiously, less frowned upon to choose a partner outside of their faith than it is for Asian women.

Other men choose to marry a partner from their parents country of origin. In 2005 the government recorded just over 10,000 women coming to the UK from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh as part of a marriage.

Whatever the reasons are for marrying a woman from "back home", it leaves an even smaller pool of men for British Asian women to fish in.

In the scramble to find the perfect Asian husband, women are using every tool available to them.

The choice ranges from looking for love online to matrimonial matchmakers - people within the community who bring suitable matches together, whether it's through family or through organised events.

Another option is the traditional parental route, where parents introduce their son or daughter to a prospective match with family present.

It can be successful and some do meet the man or woman of their dreams in their mother's living room over a nice cup of tea. However, a parent's idea of a suitable boy or girl can of course be very different to what their offspring has in mind.

For young British Asian Maha Khan, setting up an Asian speed dating company was an obvious move.

'Shade-ism'

"Successful, career-focussed Asian women want to find their equal," she says. "But because they don't always socialise in Asian-only groups they don't easily come across the right man.

"I realised there was a huge demand for a platform to bring Asian singles of the same religion together in an environment that didn't need to involve the whole family.

"Our first speed dating event four years ago in London attracted over 150 professional Asian singles. We went on to organise events in bars and restaurants in other cities including Birmingham and Manchester."

But some online dating sites reveal the extent of the problem Asian women face, with great emphasis on appearance, and in particular, complexion.

In Asian culture, skin-shade snobbery is rife, with the general consensus the browner you are, the less desirable.

One website offers a drop-down menu of skin shades. "Wheatish" appears to be one of the most common categories, with a choice of "wheatish", "wheatish medium" or "wheatish brown".

Despite the many challenges, including shade-ism, that British Asian women face, many find suitable partners and enjoy happy marriages. As we're still in the first generation of well-educated, career-minded Asian women who have delayed marriage, drawing any conclusions about what will happen to those who don't is difficult.

'Cultural clashes'

A recent Muslim matrimonial event held in London offered a glimpse into the current climate. The male host asked: "How many women in the room today would be willing to move in with their in-laws after marriage?"

A 33-year-old government analyst next to me sighed and put up her hand, swiftly followed by other women in the room. She later explained: "It's not something I want to do, but if I want to get married it looks like I have to consider it."

But while compromise is the option for some, other cultural shifts are emerging.

"We've started to notice a few more Asian women marrying outside of their own cultures," says Sat Bhatti, partner in wedding planning company OccAsianZ. "In fact, we recently organised the weddings of two Sikh women who married white men.

"But you tend to only see this in cities where Asian communities are more liberal. Outside of London, for example, a mixed marriage is still a big deal."

While "marrying out" offers a new avenue, some women are still wary because of the cultural clashes that a mixed union can bring.

Surprisingly, it was a first generation British Asian mother who recently offered some Bridget Jones-like idealistic insight that got straight to the heart of the matter.

"There's nothing wrong with a nice white boy, as long as he likes curry I'm sure it could work," she said.
Jasel
Well white is right for a lot of people out there. No huge secret.
moviez
Brothers in the States always like to say this : The lighter you are , the weaker you get.
Jasel
I've never heard that. And just say "Black" next time. Although I'm not going to pretend there isn't a bit of colorism in the black community.
Ichigo_Zangetsu
lol so its like anal bleach but for the rest of your body

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Jc2
Michael Jackson wannabe
dariush4444
That's terrible...That is just blunt racism. They are basically saying that only white skin is attractive.

That ad should be banned.
Jasel
QUOTE(dariush4444 @ Sep 25 2007, 10:55 AM) *
That's terrible...That is just blunt racism. They are basically saying that only white skin is attractive.

That ad should be banned.


I don't think it's racist as much as it's just pathetic
Jor
I think it's funny!

I'm rather fair-skinned and if you idiots want to be jealous of me over something that idiotic then knock yourselves out. I can always use a laugh.

And, btw, you're still "colored." laugh.gif
Najjiah
WTF? how can SRK do this? he is wheatish skin tone just like me.
beerlao
THE BLACKER THE BERRY, THE SWEETER THE JUICE

so i dunno what the problem is....centuries of embedded colonialism at its core. pukeface.gif
ssjasper2003
Doesnt this guy have enough money already?

VAMAN
King Khan is only concerned about money he will do anytype of advetisement as long as there is good money in it. I have never seen any Indian man using a skin whitening cream in my life nor I have heard about it.

QUOTE(beerlao @ Sep 26 2007, 01:01 AM) *
THE BLACKER THE BERRY, THE SWEETER THE JUICE

so i dunno what the problem is....centuries of embedded colonialism at its core. pukeface.gif

How come it is colonialism? Indians are either fair or tanned it depends on which region they belong to. Since ancient times the fair skin was more prized than tan by majority of the Indians and it was like this before any european set foot in India. But yes it all depends on individual preferences. There are also a lot of people who teasure tan skin more, also you can find a lot of literature on dark beauties as well as fair skinned women.
Tenjikuronin
QUOTE(beerlao @ Sep 25 2007, 12:31 PM) *
THE BLACKER THE BERRY, THE SWEETER THE JUICE

so i dunno what the problem is....centuries of embedded colonialism at its core. pukeface.gif


The darker the flesh and the deeper the roots.......

Jagger
The controversial commerical is now on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSZ-pDScd5I

QUOTE(Jor @ Sep 25 2007, 04:12 PM) *
I think it's funny!

I'm rather fair-skinned and if you idiots want to be jealous of me over something that idiotic then knock yourselves out. I can always use a laugh.

And, btw, you're still "colored." laugh.gif

The fairness cream industry in India/Southeast Asia/Africa is hardly any different to the tanning industry in Europe/America/Japan. It's not just dark people that are insecure about their colour. There are some pale people with similar insecurities.
Patton
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Sep 25 2007, 01:07 PM) *
How come it is colonialism? Indians are either fair or tanned it depends on which region they belong to. Since ancient times the fair skin was more prized than tan by majority of the Indians and it was like this before any european set foot in India. But yes it all depends on individual preferences. There are also a lot of people who teasure tan skin more, also you can find a lot of literature on dark beauties as well as fair skinned women.


This thread started in the other culture chat and was moved. I guess because the actor is from India but it could have been almost any Asian celebrity whose ad got exposed to America or Europe.

Well many of us post from outside of Asia where advertisements for such products are politically unacceptable. Those outside of the homeland tend to pretend that the subethnic and class differences don't exist and when we see it instead of blaming ourselves we blame the outsider. The colonial masters and we accuse those who buy these products as being sellouts and trying to emulate them.
Tenjikuronin
QUOTE(Jagger @ Sep 25 2007, 04:15 PM) *
The fairness cream industry in India/Southeast Asia/Africa is hardly any different to the tanning industry in Europe/America/Japan. It's not just dark people that are insecure about their colour. There are some pale people with similar insecurities.

Thank-You for metioning that. I'm glad that people other than myself have also noticed this.... beerchug.gif
Jor
QUOTE(Jagger @ Sep 25 2007, 07:15 PM) *
The fairness cream industry in India/Southeast Asia/Africa is hardly any different to the tanning industry in Europe/America/Japan. It's not just dark people that are insecure about their colour. There are some pale people with similar insecurities.


But that derives from a sexual insecurity rather than a racial one. Pale people feel sexually inferior to darker people--not nessarily of a different race, just darker. That's a far more palatable insecurity than "I want to be white because I can't be beautiful unless I look like a white person." It's stupid and people who subscribe to it deserve to be laughed at and that's just what I do.

I also don't think this type of racial insecurity issue applies to India as it does to the West. The caste system is a whole other thing. From what I see, blacks, whites and Asians will be living in perfect utopian peace and harmony and brotherly love before you could ever hope to put even a tiny dent in India's caste system.
kkdkckrl
I think it is disgusting that Shah Rukh Khan is doing this. He as a dark guy achieved the ultimate dream, and now this bozo is advertising a fair cream ad! WTF!

A lot of ppl say as tanning is to white ppl, lightening is to darker ppl. I don't think its the same, ppl tan when they are exposed to sun, ppl just don't lighten naturally. Using the example of being in the sun, and getting darker and then getting lighter in winter is not the same, because u returned to ur natural state, u didn't get naturally lighter.
Tenjikuronin
QUOTE(kkdkckrl @ Sep 25 2007, 06:30 PM) *
I think it is disgusting that Shah Rukh Khan is doing this. He as a dark guy achieved the ultimate dream, and now this bozo is advertising a fair cream ad! WTF!

A lot of ppl say as tanning is to white ppl, lightening is to darker ppl. I don't think its the same, ppl tan when they are exposed to sun, ppl just don't lighten naturally. Using the example of being in the sun, and getting darker and then getting lighter in winter is not the same, because u returned to ur natural state, u didn't get naturally lighter.

Shah Rukh Khan is of pathan lineage, I think that his skin is light to begin with. But thise whole commercial is just money in the pocket for him. I bet he would advertise bras for the right price.

White people may tan, but its a very light tan. They undergo tanning to get a dark tan that they otherwise couldn't get. Its all for cosmetic reasons, just like skin whitening cream. Also, you are right that people don't whiten naturally in the winter, but people do naturally whiten (usually due to disease or malnourshment though).
Jagger
QUOTE(Jor @ Sep 26 2007, 02:16 AM) *
But that derives from a sexual insecurity rather than a racial one. Pale people feel sexually inferior to darker people--not nessarily of a different race, just darker. That's a far more palatable insecurity than "I want to be white because I can't be beautiful unless I look like a white person." It's stupid and people who subscribe to it deserve to be laughed at and that's just what I do.

I also don't think this type of racial insecurity issue applies to India as it does to the West. The caste system is a whole other thing. From what I see, blacks, whites and Asians will be living in perfect utopian peace and harmony and brotherly love before you could ever hope to put even a tiny dent in India's caste system.

If you watch the ad, the guy used the lightening cream to get the girl. That's obviously a sexual insecurity, not a racial one.

The caste system has plenty of dark Brahmins and light Dalits. It has nothing to do with colour.

QUOTE(kkdkckrl @ Sep 26 2007, 02:30 AM) *
I think it is disgusting that Shah Rukh Khan is doing this. He as a dark guy achieved the ultimate dream, and now this bozo is advertising a fair cream ad! WTF!

A lot of ppl say as tanning is to white ppl, lightening is to darker ppl. I don't think its the same, ppl tan when they are exposed to sun, ppl just don't lighten naturally. Using the example of being in the sun, and getting darker and then getting lighter in winter is not the same, because u returned to ur natural state, u didn't get naturally lighter.

He's not that dark anymore. I saw him in person a few months ago, and it looked like he's been using lighenting cream himself.

I was referring to artifical tans, not natural tans.
felltohell
wow gay!
ProudAsianGay
I wonder how white people react if they see this
Patton
QUOTE(ProudAsianGay @ Sep 26 2007, 04:23 AM) *
I wonder how white people react if they see this

Western people will say its racist. Over the past 40 years we have learned not to accept this anymore. Which is why the ads stay in Asia. It is only through the internet that this particular ad leaked out to the UK and a controversy started.

As the Godfather of soul taught us:
SAY IT LOUD,I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD
moviez
QUOTE(ProudAsianGay @ Sep 26 2007, 07:23 AM) *
I wonder how white people react if they see this


White people will be happy and they will tell the world how good they are because non-white are trying to look like them with the help of skin-lightening cream.
ExpressYourself
ShahRukh khan is pretty dark or at least he started that way. I wouldn't call him light..maybe he became a lighter brown, but that's not light.
Tenjikuronin
QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Sep 26 2007, 08:00 AM) *
ShahRukh khan is pretty dark or at least he started that way. I wouldn't call him light..maybe he became a lighter brown, but that's not light.

Maybe its all the make-up on his face, but he looks pretty light on tv and in person.
Patton
QUOTE(moviez @ Sep 26 2007, 05:12 AM) *
White people will be happy and they will tell the world how good they are because non-white are trying to look like them with the help of skin-lightening cream.

No they won't. My evidence the one time King of Pop Micahel Wacko Jacko Jackson. As the most public figure to do this look how he is treated. Secondary evidence, the ad will never be shown in the UK except as a news cast.

The ideal of whitening is politically unacceptable outside of Asia. And through out the west the products, if you find them outside of specialty asian stores, come under different names but the primary pupose to whiten is never mentioned. It might be balance or some other euphemism.
Jor
QUOTE(Jagger @ Sep 26 2007, 07:15 AM) *
If you watch the ad, the guy used the lightening cream to get the girl. That's obviously a sexual insecurity, not a racial one.


That's exactly what I'm saying. This ad is not about race. It's about a much more complicated, even contradictory system. Where pigmentation matters due to what is found in certain Hindu scriptures but is not necessarily encountered in real life.

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The caste system has plenty of dark Brahmins and light Dalits. It has nothing to do with colour.


Again, that is EXACTLY what I just told you!!!! This ad NOT about race, goddamnit! I just told you that! In the West, it would be racial but the caste system is way more ingrained, rigid and complicated and probably cannot be understood very well by non-Indians. I know of a case where a man of high caste refused to eat a meal served to him because the SHADOW of a person low caste fell over his plate.
Henry123
I remember seeing that on tv last night. I dont know what to say about it.

I know in countries like Jamaica, Haiti etc. light skin blacks are consider more attractive.
Jasel
QUOTE(Patton @ Sep 26 2007, 02:50 PM) *
No they won't. My evidence the one time King of Pop Micahel Wacko Jacko Jackson. As the most public figure to do this look how he is treated. Secondary evidence, the ad will never be shown in the UK except as a news cast.

The ideal of whitening is politically unacceptable outside of Asia. And through out the west the products, if you find them outside of specialty asian stores, come under different names but the primary pupose to whiten is never mentioned. It might be balance or some other euphemism.


Michael Jackson had a skin disease. While he did bleach his skin (apparently to fulfill some Peter Pan fixation he has, hence the repeated nose surgeries as well) I don't think he's really associated with trying to look whiter or less black.

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I remember seeing that on tv last night. I dont know what to say about it.

I know in countries like Jamaica, Haiti etc. like skin blacks are consider more attractive.


Pretty much every colonized groups of people have a large degree of colorism in their society, whether it existed there previously or not, that's at least somewhat related to European colonization, occupation, and beauty standards although you'd find very few people of these countries who are outright willing to admit it.
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(Tenjikuronin @ Sep 26 2007, 11:30 AM) *
Maybe its all the make-up on his face, but he looks pretty light on tv and in person.



Can you post a recent pic? He even looked brown in that "abs pic."

Patton
QUOTE(Jasel @ Sep 26 2007, 02:12 PM) *
Michael Jackson had a skin disease. While he did bleach his skin (apparently to fulfill some Peter Pan fixation he has, hence the repeated nose surgeries as well) I don't think he's really associated with trying to look whiter or less black.

But the question was how do white people see those who use skin whitening products. And in Jackson's case because of the rest of his manurisms many people think he faking. That he found a condition to explain his treatment after the fact.

How people see Michael Jackson is how the majority of whites after the 1960 social revolutions feel about it. And when they hear about asians using this products be they Indian, Chinese or Filipino they are shocked that you do it.
Jagger
QUOTE(Jor @ Sep 26 2007, 08:29 PM) *
That's exactly what I'm saying. This ad is not about race. It's about a much more complicated, even contradictory system. Where pigmentation matters due to what is found in certain Hindu scriptures but is not necessarily encountered in real life.

Again, that is EXACTLY what I just told you!!!! This ad NOT about race, goddamnit! I just told you that! In the West, it would be racial but the caste system is way more ingrained, rigid and complicated and probably cannot be understood very well by non-Indians. I know of a case where a man of high caste refused to eat a meal served to him because the SHADOW of a person low caste fell over his plate.

It's not just Hindus, but many Muslims/Christians/Sikhs/Buddhists from South Asia (and probably Asia in general) also seem to have a preference for lighter skin (not white skin, but a lighter shade of brown). The Indian actor promoting the lightening cream is a Muslim himself. I'm not too sure if this preference existed before colonial times, but colonialism did certainly escalate the preference for lighter skin.

QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Sep 26 2007, 11:55 PM) *
Can you post a recent pic? He even looked brown in that "abs pic."

Although he is brown (and darker than most other Bollywood stars), he is still lighter than the average Indian.
Kimpuchea05
Question does this product actually work?
piazza
do you think this is sold in Nepal? my sister is currently in nepal and i don't think she's heard about it as she's as stubborn as can be.. she wants to look white ... she's not black, only tanned but she doesn't like it!! i'm trying to locate pharmacies in Nepal to give to her. .can yo uhelp me? i've only found an empty pharmacy directory at http://www.drugdelivery.ca/xx-NP-13-A-xx/S...a-Pharmacy.aspx
but find nothing else!
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(Jagger @ Sep 27 2007, 09:33 PM) *
Although he is brown (and darker than most other Bollywood stars), he is still lighter than the average Indian.





Being lighter than the average Indian doesn't mean anything..It's still not "light" or "fair."

I saw the pictures Vaman posted in the other thread..he looks straight up sanwala to me.
felltohell
QUOTE(Kimpuchea05 @ Sep 28 2007, 12:20 AM) *
Question does this product actually work?


so you're interested ? embarassedlaugh.gif
Proud_Panjabi
Im happy with my light-brown complexion, do not want to change it...the 'white' fairer skinned people want to get tanned when the suns out...so I think its silly. But the world we live in, like in Bollywood being 'fair' is accepted more.
Jagger
QUOTE(piazza @ Sep 28 2007, 09:28 AM) *
do you think this is sold in Nepal? my sister is currently in nepal and i don't think she's heard about it as she's as stubborn as can be.. she wants to look white ... she's not black, only tanned but she doesn't like it!! i'm trying to locate pharmacies in Nepal to give to her. .can yo uhelp me? i've only found an empty pharmacy directory at http://www.drugdelivery.ca/xx-NP-13-A-xx/S...a-Pharmacy.aspx
but find nothing else!

Thank goodness Nepal isn't selling any of that [insert random swear word here] skin-lightening cream.

QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Sep 28 2007, 01:56 PM) *
Being lighter than the average Indian doesn't mean anything..It's still not "light" or "fair."

I saw the pictures Vaman posted in the other thread..he looks straight up sanwala to me.

Then what exactly would you consider to be fair skin? If you mean like Mediterranean olive skin, only a minority in India have that kind of skin tone.

...And I'm afraid you're gonna have to explain what Sanwala means.
ACMILAN1983
QUOTE(felltohell @ Sep 28 2007, 01:58 PM) *
so you're interested ? embarassedlaugh.gif


If that's you in the avatar then I doubt you'll need the product, maybe a tanning one? biggthumpup.gif

Btw, are you the poster that created a topic about getting a henna tattoo?
ExpressYourself
QUOTE(Jagger @ Sep 28 2007, 01:47 PM) *
Thank goodness Nepal isn't selling any of that [insert random swear word here] skin-lightening cream.
Then what exactly would you consider to be fair skin? If you mean like Mediterranean olive skin, only a minority in India have that kind of skin tone.

...And I'm afraid you're gonna have to explain what Sanwala means.



Aishwarya, Preity, the Kapoor sisters, and Hrithik are what I consider fair. ShahRukh is in the same category as other Bollywood brownies like Priyanka, Rani, Abhishek, Upen Patel, etc.



Sanwala/sanwali is one of those nice words for brown-skinned Desis that fall in between....like "dusky" and "wheatish."

They're not that dark, but they're not light either.
Henry123
QUOTE(Kimpuchea05 @ Sep 28 2007, 01:20 AM) *
Question does this product actually work?

You know I heard it does. Well at least thats what the news said. It must have some sort of bleaching effect???
shreya
I can’t understand why you people are so possessive about this topic. We know that the companies are launching this kind of beauty products with innovative features almost everyday. So why are you paying too much attention to this company? confused.gif
VAMAN
QUOTE(Jagger @ Sep 28 2007, 08:03 AM) *
It's not just Hindus, but many Muslims/Christians/Sikhs/Buddhists from South Asia (and probably Asia in general) also seem to have a preference for lighter skin (not white skin, but a lighter shade of brown). The Indian actor promoting the lightening cream is a Muslim himself. I'm not too sure if this preference existed before colonial times, but colonialism did certainly escalate the preference for lighter skin.

In my opinion this perception is very wrong. The preferance for fair skin is not related to colonial mentality at all. Remember the word Gori (fair) used to refer to a beautiful and attractive girl.

QUOTE(Jagger @ Sep 29 2007, 12:17 AM) *
Thank goodness Nepal isn't selling any of that [insert random swear word here] skin-lightening cream.
Then what exactly would you consider to be fair skin? If you mean like Mediterranean olive skin, only a minority in India have that kind of skin tone.

I am afraid, Nepalis are are not any better. I found them even worst. They discriminate with darkers Nepalis of low-land (terai) region. Read this article -

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When the author talks about his feeling as a “foreigner” in Biratnagar, it reminds me of one of my friends who hailed from a village in Terai, himself a Bihari by ethnicity, and whose ancestors migrated to Terai from Bihar for over a couple of centuries ago when the most of Terai was still a forest and heavily infested with malaria. A very few “hilly” Nepali then dared to settle in the plains of Terai. My friend enrolled in a school in Kathmandu as a child. His experiences in Kathmandu were horrible. Over the duration of ten years of his schooling in Kathmandu, he had to endure countless encounters of racism and harassment from his colleagues, general public and even his teachers, often by the use of such popular derogatory and racist remarks as “dhoti,” “Madhise,” “Kaale,” etc. Not only he, but also his parents on their trips to Kathmandu had to face similar occasions of harassment by general public in the bus parks and other places around Kathmandu. It is hard to imagine what psychological impacts these events might have had on the young mind of my friend. However, it is evident now that his bitter experiences in Kathmandu have left him wondering about his “identity.” He still questions himself, who really is he — a Nepali or an Indian? I am sure he felt more of a “foreigner in his own country” than the author felt in Biratnagar.

http://madhesi.wordpress.com/2007/01/01/indo-nepal-border-and-the-state-of-bihari-nepali/




Savan
What is the big deal? If you've seen advertisements for tanning lotion on TV, why can't there be one for lightening cream? If you're secure with having dark skin, don't take it so personally. We all have our own preferences.
risip
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Mar 3 2008, 11:28 PM) *
I am afraid, Nepalis are are not any better. I found them even worst. They discriminate with darkers Nepalis of low-land (terai) region. Read this article -


Hmm, I've been to Kathmandu. But later moved to the terai in Badhrapur and particularly in Damak, Jhapa; and I think a large population seems mixed there. The only thing people are telling me over there is that the discrimination still lies in the caste system (still practiced in some areas); professionals and non-skilled workers; and only few because of skin colour. Today, I think they could've cared less for such minor squibbles about skin color, etc., as they have more problems to attend to (high oil prices, shaky government, etc...).

(Just early this year, I've been there and was stuck in my hotel when $hit hits the fan with the mob burning tires everywhere in protest of the oil hikes... Anyway, nvm... heck, I would be rambling again. I would've know better about the people of Nepal, if I had decided to stay there for a longer time...)

Henry123
QUOTE(Savan @ Mar 4 2008, 01:55 AM) *
What is the big deal? If you've seen advertisements for tanning lotion on TV, why can't there be one for lightening cream? If you're secure with having dark skin, don't take it so personally. We all have our own preferences.

You make a good point Savan.
Nobody is complaining about tanning lotion. Why shoud anyone make a big deal about lightening cream.
dude543
wow so they really do value that there...

i remember when i was with an indian friend, an irish kid was there and saw a bottle of suntan lotion in his room and asked why he had it because he was "really dark". (he was actually lighter than most south asians i've seen) but the indian dude seemed all upset and quiet after that for some reason, and tried avoiding the topic. i guess it might have been to prevent skin cancer though, i dont know
Jagger
QUOTE(ExpressYourself @ Sep 28 2007, 11:45 PM) *
Aishwarya, Preity, the Kapoor sisters, and Hrithik are what I consider fair. ShahRukh is in the same category as other Bollywood brownies like Priyanka, Rani, Abhishek, Upen Patel, etc.

Sanwala/sanwali is one of those nice words for brown-skinned Desis that fall in between....like "dusky" and "wheatish."

They're not that dark, but they're not light either.

That's what I meant by Mediterranean olive skin, but in Kareena Kapoor's case, she's almost as pale as a Northern European (I saw her in person as well).

QUOTE(VAMAN @ Mar 4 2008, 04:28 AM) *
In my opinion this perception is very wrong. The preferance for fair skin is not related to colonial mentality at all. Remember the word Gori (fair) used to refer to a beautiful and attractive girl.

I am afraid, Nepalis are are not any better. I found them even worst. They discriminate with darkers Nepalis of low-land (terai) region. Read this article -

I am already aware of the preference for lighter skin in many pre-modern Asian societies, but how can you be so certain that colonial rule never had any impact on this preference?

Couldn't the Nepali racism towards that guy be due to him being an ethnic Bihari? I doubt they would treat a darker person of native Nepali descent in the same way.

QUOTE(dude543 @ Mar 5 2008, 05:01 AM) *
wow so they really do value that there...

i remember when i was with an indian friend, an irish kid was there and saw a bottle of suntan lotion in his room and asked why he had it because he was "really dark". (he was actually lighter than most south asians i've seen) but the indian dude seemed all upset and quiet after that for some reason, and tried avoiding the topic. i guess it might have been to prevent skin cancer though, i dont know

I don't think I've come across an Indian who uses suntan lotion before.
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