Anyone lived in these areas or been there before? How was it like? I heard that they're Canada's ghettos.

Most consider Jane-Finch in Toronto to be the roughest ghetto in Canada. But I was amused when some article (I think it was from Chuckie Akenz's website) stated that Jane-Finch is comparable to South Central Los Angeles. I'm not even sure if the author of that article was really being serious.

I mean, honestly, I've never been to Jane-Finch but to compare it to South Central? The real amusing thing was that the thugs of Jane-Finch bang Crips and Bloods. "Northside" is Crips and Southside is "Bloods". Are they trying to be like Compton (Westside - Bloods and Pirus and Eastside - Crips) or something? Why the hell are they copying LA's black gangs? How the hell is Jane-Finch comparable to South Central when they bang for gangs that aren't even from their hood? Was it from watching NWA, Snoop Dogg or The Game or something?

If all of South Central LA was a city itself, it's avg. homicide rate would be as high as Detroit's (about 40-41 homicides per 100,000). And that's not even the end of the story. There exists safe neighborhoods even in South Central, places like Baldwin Hills, most parts of Crenshaw, Ladera Heights, Windsor-View Park, View Heights, etc. That means that most of the homicides/killings would be concentrated in terrible neighborhoods like Watts, Compton Athens, Florence, etc. and mean that the homicide rates for these neighborhoods would be much higher than the avg. rate of 40-41 homicides per 100,000 people of all South Central.

I wonder if they still do that old $hit of Crips vs. Bloods thing in Jane-Finch and I reckon they probably do, probably from watching the movie Colors or something. Because down in South Central, it's more like this: 1. Crips vs. Crips, 2. Bloods vs. Bloods, 3. Crips vs. Bloods, 4. Blacks (Crips + Bloods) vs. Eses (Mexicans).

1 and 2 outnumber conflict #3 by far, and #4 is slowly increasing.

I wonder how the hell these "Crips" and "Bloods" from Jane-Finch will react when they really do come to South Central LA's hoods, to the birthplaces of the C's and B's, meeting Blood and Crip sets like Grape Street Crips, Bounty Hunter Bloods, Eight-trey Gangsta Crips, etc. and not to mention the various eses runnin around like 18th St., Florencia 13, etc? Or maybe even hardcore Cambodian/Asian gang TRG from neighboring North Long Beach.....

1. Why is this in Australia chat?
2. LOL. They are nothing like south central. Canadian ghetto is like.. the equivalent of... your average American city. Terrifying.
3. I grew up in Malvern, which as of right now is one of TOronto's worst neighbourhoods, and it's not that bad. my entire life I've never witnessed anything that bad... there was a driveby kind of close to where I live, couple of shootings... they had to call a swat team toa house close to my school when I was around 10... That's about it though. Just lots of people that THINK they're ghetto.
4. Homicide rate of 40-41 per 100,000? Toronto has a rate of 56 gun related homicides PER YEAR. That's why I'm not s fond of calling my old neighbourhood a 'ghetto', evne when everyone else does.

Sorry, my bad. Feel free to move this to Canada chat. I was browsing in the wrong place.........



LOL.......and the average American city is not that terrifying. Yea, some areas, usually in downtowns at night, can get shady, but most of the time, if you're not in a dangerous ghetto, it's not dangerous.



Lol. We got people like that in the US too, usually living in the suburbs or in some upper middle-class neighborhood in the city.

Chuckie akenz

That would be about 2-3 gun-related homicides per 100,000 a year for Toronto since Toronto has about 2.5 million people.

South Central LA alone averages to about 259-260 homicides a year, having a population of about 650,000-750,000. Most of them are gun-related, no doubt. But LAPD actually put in work and the murders have been reducing this year.

Um, can some mod please move this thread to Canada chat?

Rexdale is kinda shady especially at night but why someone would want to wander around a poorly lit neighbourhood filled with black and hispanic gangs is beyond me

I've heard a couple of gunshots go off; maybe once or twice a week

Absolutely nothing at all in the 7 years ive lived in the Buttonville area near Richmondhill.

Quiet as hell here.

damn why is this place so safe : |

Yeah, those Canadian "ghettos" are a joke. When I was up there this summer my cousin was always warning me that I could get shot in some of those bad parts. Please... Now i'm not claiming to live in the ghetto or anything, but I live right by Memphis TN. So i've been through some pretty bad areas, a lot worse than anything I saw in Canada. And the Memphis metro area was recently named the most violent metro area in the country.



http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2007/...-violent-crime/

Lol, if you say so. Driving through Buffalo in the middle of the day is still kind of eerie. That city is slowly descending into hell.


That's nice to hear. It's kind of ridiclous how a lot of people think that if their city is dangerous it gives them more street cred or something. Please, no one wants to hear about how tough it was for you on the streets of Gary, Indiana.

North Winnepeg is pretty scary though. For different reasons. I wouldn't be scared of dying in Winnepeg, but there are so many druggies and rapists in cities like that. Lol. Just stay in well lit areas... no one is going to stab you, but you gotz to watch yo' vaginaz.

lol rexdale used to be filled with ginos, but then black people moved in and now there's quite a bit of crime and the land value plumetted. haha. same thing happeend to malvern except chinese people were the first people in da hood. my parents bought their DETACHED home for around $400K and we sold it for half the price. isn't that retarded? people forget that malvern is mostly a middle class neighbourhood... the majority of homes there are detached or semi detached. why there's still gang violence is beyond me. nowadays, the only people that want to buy detached homes in malvern are tamils. and it took us so fu-king long t sell our house because south asians want convertible basements so that they can rent them out to tenants or house extra relatives... our basement was a finished basement with a library, entertainment centre and guestroom. no one wants something like tht in one of the $hittest neighbourhoods in canada. LOL.

^ When I went through Buffalo it was full of old homeless-looking white ppl walking around pushing grocery carts and gathered around burning barrels for warmth. I'd never seen anything like that before. Yeah that city is dead.

I think ppl from Gary could have street cred. That place is pretty ghetto.

BUT LIFE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT STREET CRED. THAT'S THE POINT. WTF IS WRONG WITH AMERICA OMG.

I'm fully moving to France or the Netherlands or some $hit once uni is over with. Just you watch. North America is really starting to piss me off.

EDIT: (Point is, why should anyone publicly state that their town is a haven for violence and poverty? I would be ashamed, not proud. What the helll....?)

No I wasn't agreeing that someone should have street cred. I guess I just misunderstood your original statement. I thought you were trying to say that Gary wasn't a bad place to live.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bV9xsMerH00

This is Jane-Finch? LOL. Gimme a fu-king break. The Freshy guy even admits to using beebee guns to get cash from little kids......wow........ghetto man.............hahah ghetto my @$$. Playing around with guns......man, that just seems so.......I don't know the word ----suburban...

No wonder Chuckie Akenz is getting away with acting all hardcore and $hit; Jane-Finch is still Canada. Man, I'm afraid if he did that in the US, he'd probably get his @$$ beaten up or even get shot at, especially since he made that video "You Got Beef?" with the two black kids getting beat up by like 10 Viet guys. At best, Chuckie would get dissed so many times by African American rappers that he might even quit the rap game all together. I mean, no offense to Chuckie Akenz, I do like some of his music, but it's just too bad and such a pity that he is getting away with acting hardcore in Canada, and NOT IN THE US, which just makes me really doubt some of his songs where he raps about his supposedly "ghetto childhood". Makes him lose a lot of the street cred that he claims to have. He would have my full respect if he got away with acting all hardcore $hit in the US. But.... sigh. No true Asian g's in the rap game making it big yet...

And, finally, the ridiculous comparison to South Central LA was found on the Jane-Finch.com, in an article written by Annie Han Nguyen, probably out of sensationalism and excitement: http://jane-finch.com/articles/anguyen_yougotbeef.htm

Man, all those Canadian wankstas from Jane-Finch would get murked and blasted by semis, uzis, shotugns, or glock .40's in less than an hour in some place like South Central LA. Especially that Freshy wanksta - let his pussy @$$ try that $hit with the beebee guns in South Central LA and he'll get his @$$ blasted on by a real gangsta.

Real Crips in Compton, South Central LA:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dnP1hZFMCMA


Rising Mexican vs. Black Gang Killings in South Central LA:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-SNBUe52zYc&...C8&index=12 - Compton

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e6odDIkMIDw&...ted&search= - Black gangsta expressing his opinion on the rising Black vs. Mexican conflict

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hsk81vrbsT4&...ted&search= - South Central in general


Gangstas shooting at the LAPD in Southeast Division:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MnnP7mXwSig


$hit, even Asian gangs here are crazy as hell, look at this one:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U2MvbNUnmME&...ted&search= - "LocTown Crips" (a possible set of the Asian Boyz Crips, a Cambodian gang with HQ in North Long Beach area in Los Angeles County, IIRC, Asian Boyz members use to be part of TRG - the famous Asian/Cambodian gang that fought against East Side Longos [Mexican gang] in a race/gang war in North and Central Long Beach) in Stockton, Central Cali

I know what you're thinking. No, Asian Boyz Crips are not wankstas. They're one of the few non-black gangs claiming Crip or Blood that actually do get respect and recognition from the real black Bloods or Crips. The only other ones I could think of are Five-Deuce Oriental Bloods and some Samoan and Tongan Bloods and Crips in Inglewood and the hoods of South Central.


Finally, real Asian/Cambodian g's living in the Pueblo Del Rio projects in South Central LA with the blacks:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JF7ZvdcQzkI

Um, I think you confused me with Graham_Cracker07.

Uh, no, just read post 14.

Not all Americans care about street cred. Please don't generalize. For me, personally, I really don't like people lying about things that never happened to them or were greatly exaggerated, so I usually could care less about street cred. But, since we're talking about Chuckie Akenz and his rap crew's claims about Jane-Finch being as dangerous as South Central LA (which is gradually revealing itself to be false), we're dealing with street cred here since that's what Chuckie Akenz and his rap crews wants us to think about the world in terms of. By revealing the facts, he loses alot of the street cred he wants people to recognize in him. By this way, we can arrive at the facts. It has nothing to do with being American. I'm pretty sure there are tons of wankstas in Jane-Finch, North Winnipeg, etc. other Canadian "ghettos" who wants more street cred.

First off, I don't live in LA although I've been there before many times.

Second of all, none of the stuff I provided was my own personal experiences. I never claimed that I walked the streets of places like Compton or Watts because I never really did. Even if I did and if something did happen to me, like I got shot at or something, I could care less to tell any of you guys about it.

Third of all, most the information comes from reliable sources dealing with the street gangs of Los Angeles, and also official data from the FBI and the U.S. Census Bureau. Why the focus on LA? Because it is related to the claims of Jane-Finch's ghettoness.

Fourth of all, it was you who linked cities with street cred. You were also the one who added in personal experiences. I only talked about street cred because it was related to Chuckie Akenz's personal agenda in which he makes wild claims of Jane-Finch = South Central LA. As I did more research, I'm beginning to realize that he seems to be bull$hitting. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Fifth of all, Los Angeles street gangs like the Crips and Bloods, and even eses like those from 18th St. Florencia 13, and MS-13 have spread nationwide across the US and Canada. This doesn't even suggest that the entire US or Canada is becoming dangerous/ghetto or anything. It just means that there are lots of copycat wankstas in both the US and Canada who probably watch too much BET or something and just want to be like Snoop Dogg or The Game so much. They just don't know that gangbanging is not a fad like grills/gold teeth, dreads, or baggy pants is. Gangbanging is something that cats in South Central LA take very seriously, so much that it revolves around life and death, and I personally think that it's stupid that some Canadian wankstas are adopting this stuff like it is a fad or something.

^ The only personal experience I added was the thing about my cousin telling me that Toronto was dangerous. She assumed that it was gonna be scary to me since i'm from a small town in TN. But I guess she didn't know that I live 10 minutes away from Memphis so i've seen much worse. I never claimed to live in the ghetto or anything like that.

I think I haven't made my points very clear. The point was that I was not the one talking about how Gary, Indiana could have street cred. He might've confused my username with yours or something since he was telling me about how he doesn't care about Gary, Indiana's street cred. On the other hand, I don't have a problem with Gary, Indiana having street cred or anything. As a matter of fact, I don't have any problems with people talking about their personal experiences passing by ghettos or living in the ghettos, as long as: 1. They don't freakin lie about it to try to act all hard and $hit, to make it appear that they themselves have "street cred" too; 2. They don't exaggerate their experiences because of their own close proximity to or actually living in a hood. But, back to Gary, just by looking at the homicide statistics, Gary, Indiana is pretty ghetto/dangerous.

^ Actually he brought up Gary, he was just using it as an example. Saying that just because you come from a dangerous city doesn't mean you need to claim street cred. I see what he meant now, but at first I interpreted it as "Gary isn't a dangerous place so they don't need to claim street cred"

You think Buffalo is a typical American city? Ever been to places like Honolulu, most parts of San Diego and San Jose, etc.? Big cities with very low crime. Yea, they have ghettos too but probably not as dangerous as the more famous ones like the ones in South Central LA, Bayview-Hunters Point in SF, South Bronx in NYC, Southside Chicago, etc.

And, besides, last time I checked, Buffalo's homicide rate is at least average. Not exactly safe but not exactly dangerous either. The crime might be evenly spread out across neighborhoods in the city or the crime could be concentrated in just several neighborhoods in the city while the rest are safe. I don't know.

I think you also have to understand that just because a city/neighborhood looks dangerous does not necessarily mean it is actually dangerous. Crime is a very general term, and it can range from drunk driving to drug-offenses to intentional manslaughter/homicide. Different cities and different neighborhoods have different "crimes". For example, in SF, the Tenderloin is often stereotyped as a dangerous hood; for one, it has tons of homeless people and crackheads wondering the streets and also many liquors and buildings that look kind of old and run-down. Yet, many people never even bothered to check up on the statistics because they reveal that there's actually not much homicides in the Tenderloin, but most of the crime happens to be drug-related offenses (and this makes sense because the Tenderloin is drug-haven in SF) and, occasionally, muggings. So, if you stay in well-lit corners of the streets with several people and don't walk in alleys, mind your own business and don't deal in drugs, there's a very low chance that you'd get mugged or robbed. And, the chance that you would get killed is even lower.

Sorry to disappoint you, but most big cities in just about every country in the world have their own shady areas too. Yes, the degree of shadiness of neighborhoods in different cities can vary intensely, from average places with 15-year-old gangsta wannabes causing trouble and claming gang sets that they don't even know where the hell came from, to drug-haven places with alot of petty pickpcketters to places that are literally warzones between rival gangs and rival races. But there is "crime", if you want to be exact about it, just about everywhere you go.

My bad, I got the numbers a bit wrong. Actually, South Central LA averages to about 309 murders per year. This was from the years 2002-2005. And the population is about 749,000-781,000 from 2002-2005.

But, like I said again, the LAPD and the LASD is actually putting in work and the murders have been reducing for this year. Compton's homicide rate used to be 67.1 murders per 100,000 in 2005. But because the LASD deployed double the amount of patrolling officers in Compton in 2006, the murder rate for that year dropped to about 40.4 per 100,000. Don't get me wrong, that homicide rate is still pretty high. But at least it's dropping. Same thing going on for Watts this year. Before this year, Watts probably had a homicide rate of over 100 (less than 107-109 probably) per 100,000 people. We can already tell it's dropping because there's only about 24 YTD (year-to-date; 8/26/07-9/22/07 latest statistics) homicides that occurred in LAPD Southeast Division where Watts is patrolled by while the YTD murders for 2006 for Southeast Division was 50, and 54 for YTD 2005 for Southeast Division respectively. Probably related to the combination of the gang injunction placed on the Grape Street Crips gang (arguably the most dangerous Crip gang in LA) in the Jordan Downs project and the latest security/surveillance cameras installed in the said project as well as the increasingly large number of patrol officers in the area.

This year, however, most of the killings are concentrated in places like Westmont, Athens, Florence in LAPD 77th St. Division. Also, LAPD Newton Division (same division that patrols the Pueblo Del Rio project where the Cambodians and blacks live together) seems to have increasing homicides as well, at 39 right now, more than last year's YTD 35 and 2005's YTD 34.

And I ain't even boasting or anything so don't gimme that bull$hit. I'm just correcting myself, stating the facts whenever possible.

Ah, kkz.

Yes, yes and yes. Yet I do not consider any of the three to be typical American cities.

Mmm. That's the point I'm trying to make. Jane and Finch is about as dangerous as Buffalo, IMO. A Canadian 'ghetto' is not 'ghetto' at all. I think you're saying the same things I am.

I udnerstand that. I've been to Vancouver.


I know, but the mentality is different, IMO. I think Canada used to have the same mentality, but it's gone downhill since then, as you can see from any Chuckie Akenz video. What was up with that video where a billion viets beat up ike 2 black people. What the hell is that. Thank god I've never seen that on Canadian television. Gotta look on youtube or myspace to see that nonsense. I thought a friend of mine was joking when he described the video. :/

LOL. The point is that there isn't really any "typical" American cities. It would be overgeneralization and stereotyping to assume that there is a "typical" American city. There are American cities with homicide/crime rates that vary immensely. At the top, you have safe and nice cities like Honolulu while at the bottom you have murder capitals like Gary or Compton.

As a matter of fact, if you want a "typical" American city, Buffalo is not by any means a "typical" American city. Buffalo's homicide rate in 2006 was 26.4 homicides per 100,000 people. As a nation, the US's homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants was 5.7 homicides in 2006/latest data available. Thus, how could Buffalo be your typical American city? Cities such as New York NY or Long Beach CA make far better candidates than Buffalo.



Well, you said that Buffalo is slowly descending into hell and that it was kind of eerie even though all you've done is just drive through Buffalo. What I'm saying is that even though Buffalo may look eerie/slowly descending into hell doesn't necessarily mean that it actually is. You seem to think that the average American city is terrifying and that Buffalo is a good example. You don't know if you were actually driving through a bad neighborhood or a good neighborhood in Buffalo because the crime could either be: 1. evenly distributed across the neighborhoods in the city or 2. crime unevenly distributed in just a few terrible neighborhoods. That Buffalo is not a "typical" American city is almost clear, especially looking at its homicide rate per 100,000 to be 4.6 times the U.S. national average. Far better candidates for "typical" American cities would include NYC or Long Beach, both cities with crime and homicides very unevenly distributed among their neighborhoods, ie there are neighborhoods in those cities with homicide rates as low as those of Iceland while there are a few neighborhoods in those cities with homicide rates as high as El Salvador.



I think we should separate Chuckie Akenz "gangsta"-wannabe mentality from his actual "gangsta experience". Looking at it that way, Chuckie Akenz does not necessarily symbolize a Canada spiraling downward towards an era of crime and murders. Chuckie Akenz might actually just be what he is mentally - a wannabe at best. He could only do that in the music video but probably not in real life. What I'm trying to say is that Chuckie Akenz' "gangsta"-wannabe image might just be in the music world only, and not necessarily reflective of what's actually happening in Canadian society as a whole.

South Africa pawns you all in shootings.

Alright. I was never one to be scared of generalizing. That's the only way people get points across quickly and effectively.

I don't know. I can't look at a city and guess it's homicide rate. I've been to a lot of places in America and it seemed pretty 'typical'. Lol. 4.6 times the national average seems pretty average for a city in any country, IMO. The average is probably brought down by small towns that can't even be considered cities, so 4.6 appears to be a lot. Cities have higher crime rates.

Lol, if it doesn't happen now, it'll happen soon. Canadians are notorious for copying American culture. At least that's what Ameicans say. I think it's somewhat true.

Because generalizing doesn't actually let people get their points across effectively. It only obscures the facts. Generalizing and stereotyping "typical" American cities as terrifying does no good for yourself; you'd miss out on all the good things that some American cities have to offer. Compton and Gary are not representative of America.



I got my stats from the FBI.



Like?



I'm not too sure that the average has been brought down by small towns. Look at Compton CA, a "small town"/suburb with less than 100,000 people unofficially considered to be a part of South Central LA and yet had a murder rate of 67.1 in 2005. Gary IN and Richmond CA only have populations slightly more than 100,000 and yet Gary IN averages to about 60 homicides per 100,000 a year and Richmond CA averages to about 34 homicides per 100,000 a year. Not to mention other places like East Chicago IN (suburb of about 32,000-33,000 people), Irvington NJ (61,000-62,000) and East Palo Alto CA (31,000-32,000), all of whose avg. homicide rates aren't too far off from Richmond CA's. This is not to say that all American suburbs are dangerous; as a matter of fact, there are tons of safe suburbs in America, but there's still some notoriously dangerous "suburbs"/small towns like the ones mentioned above.

LOL. You just said "4.6 times the national average seems pretty average for a city in any country." And then you say 4.6 appears to be a lot.



To be honest, I think there's much more other factors that could result in a dramatic homicide/crime increase in Canada than just simply copying American culture. Have you looked at other, far more important factors like dramatic increase in unemployment, increasing cost of basic goods, unpopular administrators, dramatic increase in gun sales and imported drugs, etc.?

And I also don't get why a dramatic increase in homicides/crime has to be attributed to "copying American culture". So you're saying that this is only exclusive to America and nowhere else? That if it happened to Canada, it was because of copying American culture? How accurate is that?