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firdausj
Turkey will not become Malaysia

The domestic debate about whether there is a threat of Islamicisation in Turkey has been stoked by American comparisons of Turkey and Malaysia.

Tolga KORKUT

There were many who had interpreted the overwhelming victory of the religious Justice and Development Party (AKP) in the general elections of 22 July as the beginning of a new era.

It was thought that now the AKP would show its real colours and start on its project of Islamicisation. The party's current efforts to write a new constitution, albeit up to now with no participation from other segments of society, has been seen as an effort to allow the headscarf into public life.

American comparison of Turkey and Malaysia

Now there is a heated debate on whether or not Turkey faces a threat of increasing Islamicisation. Recent American comparisons of Turkey and Malaysia as two moderate Muslim states have had strong reactions in Turkey.

President Gül himself has argued that Malaysia is very different from Turkey. Now the domestic media has taken up the theme, asking, "Could Turkey become a Malaysia?"

Reporters sent to Malaysia

"Milliyet" newspaper has sent its reporter Ece Temelkuran to Malaysia to make comparisons. In her "This is Malaysia" series, today's headline is "No food or money for children during Ramazan". Underneath it says, "The practices in Malaysia, the centre of 'moderate Islam' show how 'personal' it is when 'political Islam' is described as a 'personal choice'."

"A typical example are primary school children who are forced to stay hungry: during Ramazan the school does not give a lunch break, the canteen is closed, but people are free not to fast!"

The "Vatan" newspaper also continues a series analysing Malaysia. Today, Prof. Dr. Nur Vergin, "Zaman" journalist Ali Bulac and " Posta" journalist Mehmet Barlas try to answer the question of whether the AKP will Islamicise society through state mechanisms.

"Turkey will not become Malaysia"

Ezgi Basaran and Sebati Karakurt of the "Hürriyet" newspaper spoke with Zeinah Anwar, from the Sisters in Islam (SIS) group for the newspaper's series "Malaysian women from tradition to modernity". Anwar told the journalists that Turkey would not turn into a Malaysia.

Alev Alatli of the "Zaman" newspaper took an ironic stance; comparing the Turkish and the Malaysian economy, she said, "I wish we could become Malaysians."

In Turkey "no pressure on uncovered women"

In Hasan Bozkurt's interview with Prof. Dr. Metin Heper of Bilkent University, the academic said that "I have never seen pressure put on uncovered women."He was referring on current discussions of "neighbourhood pressure" (read peer pressure) which covered women are said to apply.

Powerful Fetva Council

The "Sabah" newspaper covered a series published by the weekly "Yeni Aktüel" magazine, owned by the same group. Under the heading "Malaysia: Neither Fully Laicist Nor Fully Islamic" it read "Malaysia, which together with Turkey Americans had shown as an example of moderate Islam, has a "laicism" article in its constitution, but it also has quite a powerful Fetva Council".

The newspaper's editor-in-chief Ergun Babahan wrote, "As there is talk of a constitution which could change the balance of power in Turkey, those who favoured education for headscarved women recently have suddenly started saying that it is too early."

In the Kemalist "Cumhuriyet" newspaper, Mahmut Güler has prepared a series entitled "The reality of Malaysia", with today's heading being "A country of compulsory Islam".

Underneath it says, "The official religion of Malaysia, which is 60 percent Muslim, is Islam. Those who do not fast are punished with prison sentences or fines. At university graduation ceremonies all women, be they Muslims or not, have to wear a headscarf. If a woman wears revealing clothes, she is taken to court for corrupting morality." (TK/AG)


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PM Erdogan and Holbrooke share laughter over "Malaysia" comparison

Hürriyet

In a panel this week sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan made reference to recent debates in the Turkish media over whether the AKP-led administration is leading Turkey onto a path that resembles that taken by Malaysia over recent years.

Following a question from the audience at the panel, PM Erdogan turned to former US Foreign Secretary Assistant Richard Holbrooke and said, smiling "There's a new debate that has come up in Turkey. Mr. Holbrooke is involved in this debate. The question is 'Will Turkey turn into Malaysia?'" Holbrooke, laughing at this comment, said "I'm sorry," at which point general audience laughter broke out in the salon where the panel was being held.

Holbrooke had made a well-publicized comment immediately in the wake of the July 22 general elections in Turkey in which he said "The US says it wants moderate Islamic democracies in the world. There are only two of these though. Turkey and Malaysia." Holbrooke has since noted that "Turkey can become neither like Iran nor like Malaysia."
etano
Turkey will never become Malaysia but Malaysia has started to become Arab countries
xalili02
QUOTE(etano @ Sep 30 2007, 11:17 AM) [snapback]3239926[/snapback]
Turkey will never become Malaysia but Malaysia has started to become Arab countries


NO
Malaysia is always Malaysia's way of style. Arabs are too fanatic while Turkey is too secular. Simple isn't it?
HangPC2
QUOTE(etano @ Oct 1 2007, 12:17 AM) [snapback]3239926[/snapback]
Turkey will never become Malaysia but Malaysia has started to become Arab countries



Malaysialized in 10 years, whereas Malaysia will become a new Iran in the same period of time. If we are to trust this claim, it’s incumbent upon us to conclude that Turkey, which hasn’t Iranized in the last 30 years, will indeed Iranize in 20 years time via Malaysialization


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ComeClean
But Turks were asian like malaysians before.

so turks have become more like arabs and malaysians more like oceanic islanders.
HangPC2
Iranization + Malaysialization


Good Mix






fadlee
QUOTE(xalili02 @ Oct 1 2007, 12:50 AM) [snapback]3239963[/snapback]
NO
Malaysia is always Malaysia's way of style. Arabs are too fanatic while Turkey is too secular. Simple isn't it?

truee.. malaysia is unique on its own way beerchug.gif
HangPC2
Malaysian Muslim Dress Code In Military


Malaysian Army (TDM)








Royal Malaysia Air Force (TUDM)




Royal Malaysian Police (Polis)








Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (APMM)






National Service (PLKN)






kimyee73
Is it a must for Muslim ladies in the MA to wear tudong? I saw Penggempur documentary on PAC that some did not wear.
triplex
no.its their own choice..
tujue
well if there is a threat of becomeing an Islamic republic

the army will step in. They did it in the 60's and 80's and they'll do it again
HangPC2










Betong
Turkey want to become like Malaysia.... Good good....
Nice to know that Malaysia become a household name now....
BuminQhan
In the Ottoman Empire Islam have erased turkish language and culture. Even we have lost our identity and don´t look like our ancestors, but like arabs and persians. Now after Ataturks reforms we are searching for our lost turkishness and we don´t want to find it in Islam. Except Erdogan and the powerfull islamic fundamentalists.

let me say this, before Islamic revolution no one thought that the bikini-staate Iran could turn into a sharia ruled state, so nothing is impossible...

HangPC2









HangPC2
How Ataturk Destroyed Islam in Turkey


Bismillah,

Turkey is gradually regaining the global attention it once enjoyed albeit for different reasons. The main international focus has been on Turkey’s EU entry talks which began in October 2005 on joining the European Union (EU). But the subtler and the less pronounced is the revival of Islam in Turkey despite nearly 90 years hostile secular Governments.

Although today Turkey seldom figures in Muslim or Islamic discourse, it was for five centuries the center of the Muslim world, until that fatal day, March 3rd, 1924, when Mustafa Kemal Pasha Ataturk abolished the Caliphate -office of the successors to prophet Muhammad, the supreme politico-religious office of Islam, and symbol of the Turkey sultan’s claim to world leadership of all Muslims—was abolished.

Turkey Ottoman Islamic architecture mosqueToday 98% of Turkey’s population is officially Muslim but the proportion of practicing Muslims is as low as 20%. However unlike in Europe where church attendance gradually fell in Turkey it is the result of a systematic attempt to constrain and weaken Islam by successive Kemalist secular governments and the military.

The hostility towards Islam began in early 1920s. A military commander, Mustafa Kemal Pasha led the Turkish War of Independence to form the Republic of Turkey as the successor state of the defunct Ottoman Empire. For this Mustafa Kemal became very popular and adored by all Turks. Thereafter he became the first President of the Republic of Turkey. The Turks venerated him so much he was given the name ‘Atatürk’, meaning Father of the Turks, (honorific name formally presented to him by the Turkish Grand Assembly in 1934.)

Ottoman Mustafa Kemal Pasha Ataturk Father of TurkeyBut Mustafa Kemal Pasha Ataturk was no ordinary leader. He was an astute statesman and strewed strategist. He didn’t express to the public how he would develop Turkey until he got the power to execute his vision (i.e. not until he was President of Turkey.)

Then Atatürk carefully constructed and deployed a master plan, today known as the Kemalist ideology or Kemalism. Believing in this strategy Ataturk and his associates started to publicly question the value of religion and held the view religion was not compatible with modern science and secularism was imperative for modernity.

Ataturks reforms Ottoman Islamic TurkeyThus Ataturk regime began step by step to implement the Kemalist ideology with a radical reformation of the Turkish society with the aim of modernizing Turkey from the remnants of its Ottoman past. In line with their ideological convictions the Ataturk government abolished Islamic religious institutions; replace the Shariah law with adapted European legal codes; replaced the Islamic calendar with the Gregorian calendar; replace the Arabic script which was used to write the Turkish language with the Latin script and closed all religious schools.

In addition Ataturk took over the country’s 70,000 mosques and restricted the building of new mosques. Muftis and imams (prayer leaders) were appointed and regulated by the government, and religious instructions were taken over by the Ministry of National Education. Mosques were to preach according to the Ataturk’s dictates and were used to spread the Kemalist ideology.

For Sufi Muslims it was worse. Atatürk confiscated Sufi lodges, monasteries, meeting places and outlawed their rituals and meetings.

Turkey mosque muslim hijab girlAccording to Ataturk modernity was valued and represented as not wearing any religious dress or being non-religious. So he ordered what cloths Turkey’s citizens should wear. The traditional garb of local religious leaders was outlawed. The fez (Turkish hat) was banned for men and the veil and hijab (headscarves) were discouraged and restricted for women.

Atatürk and his colleagues even wanted to Turkify Islam. They ordered Muslims to use the Turkish word Tanri instead of Allah for God and use the Turkish language in Salaath (the 5 times prayers) and Azaan (the call for prayers). These preposterous changes deeply disturbed the faithful Muslims and caused widespread resentment, which led in 1933 to a return to the Arabic version of the call to prayer.

After some time the Atatürk regime moved towards more extreme measures. Ataturk prohibited religious education. The existing mosques were turned into museums or used for the regimes secular purposes.

Turkey oppress Kurds Sufi Sunni Shia IslamThe faithful Turkish and Kurdish Muslims be they Sunni, Shia or Sufi were powerless against Mustafa Kemal Ataturk’s regime and his military. But they tried to resist the oppression and even led rebellions. But he was too strong for them and Ataturk suppressed the rebellions after massive bloodsheds. (e.g. Seyh Sait rebellion in southeastern Turkey which claimed nearly 30,000 lives before being suppressed had its roots in religious grievances.)

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk died in 1938. After that some of his preposterous laws were revoked by his successors due to their harshness and the fact that Islam was always a strong force at the popular level despite the suppression.

Ottoman Islam mosque in Turkey since then there have been occasional calls for a return to Islam. But the secular governments and military true to the Kemalist ideology have managed to suppress them. Amidst this environment in the 1980s a new generation of educated, articulate and religiously motivated leaders emerged to challenge the dominance of the Kemalist political ruling elite. By their own example of piety, prayer, and political activism, they have helped to spark a revival of Islamic observance in Turkey.

But the Turkish military and the state bureaucracy are infiltrated with (Kemalist) secularists and act as the guardians of Ataturk’s reforms and work to preserve Kemalism and weaken Islam. This situation has gradually led to a polarization of the Turkish society and today Turkey remains as someone observed a ‘torn society’.
HangPC2
Erdogan mahu batal larangan pakai tudung


Cadangan sebahagian daripada rombakan Perlembagaan Turki


ANKARA:Perdana Menteri Turki Tayyip Erdogan menyuarakan hasrat menarik balik pengharaman pemakaian tudung di universiti di negara yang majoriti penduduknya beragama Islam.

Beliau dipetik Financial Times berkata, cadangan itu adalah sebahagian daripada rombakan Perlembagaan Turki.

"Hakwanita mendapat pendidikan tidak seharusnya disekat hanya kerana ketrampilan mereka. Perkara itu tidak pernah wujud di kalangan masyarakat Barat, tetapi keadaan sebaliknya di sini. Sehubungan itu,saya percaya ia menjadi tanggungjawab utama ahli politik menyelesaikan masalah itu," katanya dalam temubual dengan akhbar itu di sini.

Kenyataan oleh pemimpin Parti Pembangunan dan Keadilan (AK) yang memerintah selepas meraih kemenangan besar mandat lima tahun dalam pilihan raya Julai lalu, dilihat boleh mencetuskan ketegangan baru dengan kelompok elit sekular, termasuk kalangan jeneral tentera.

Ini disebabkan jeneral tentera menuduh Erdogan sememangnya mahu memantapkan kedudukan Islam di Turki.

Pihak sekular sememangnya menganggap pemakaian tudung sebagai ancamansimbolik terhadap dasar lama Turki mengasingkan negara dan agama.

Mereka juga bimbang sebarang tindakan pembatalan pengharaman itu boleh memberi tekanan sosial terhadap wanita yang tidak menutup aurat untuk mula memakai tudung di Turki yang sememangnya di diami ramai umat Islam.

Bagaimanapun,Parti AK sudah menegaskan yang persoalan itu membabitkan hak kebebasan bersuara. Larangan pemakaian tudung di kampus dikuatkuasakan pada 1982 iaitu selepas berlakunya rampasan kuasa oleh pihak tentera.

Kerajaan Erdogan sudah berikrar menggantikan Perlembagaan era tentera dengan dokumen baru yang memberi tumpuan khusus kepada hak asasi individu dan kebebasan yang selaras dengan syarat ditetapkan Kesatuan Eropah (EU) �blok yang ingin disertai Ankara.

"Kami mahukan Perlembagaan yang dapat memberi perlindungan serta jaminan yang negara itu berlandaskan undang-undang demokratik, sekular dan kepentingan sosial. Perlembagaan ini bakal meletakkan Turki di haluan sebenar dan sudah menjadi kewajipan kita membahaskannya serta membincangkannya dengan seberaparamai rakyat," katanya.

Parti AK ketika ini membahaskan derafteks yang dirangka sepasukan pakar undang-undang. Media tempatan sebaliknya berkata mereka masih bertelagah mengenai cara sesuaimenyenaraikan isu tudung dalam Perlembagaan itu.

Pihak tentera yang sejak sekian lamanya menganggap dirinya sebagai �penjamin mutlak�peraturan sekular, sememangnya memantau debat itu dengan rapat. Malah,selain pihak tentera, pasaran saham Turki juga tidak terkecuali melihat perkembangan itu.

- Reuters-

HangPC2
Sultanate Of Johore (Johor Darul Takzim)


The Ottoman (Uthmaniyah) Empire Influence In Sultanate Johore-Riau






Selain dari Kesultanan Aceh, Jika dilihat asal-usul Johor, ia berasal dari perkataan Arab ‘Jauhar’ yang bermakna permata. Hubungan Johor dengan Khilafah amat akrab khususnya sejak 1885 (Johor diperintah oleh Sultan Abu Bakar) hingga 1922 (Johor diperintah Sultan Ibrahim). Beberapa buah bangunan khasnya istana-istana dan masjid-masjid dipengaruhi oleh bentuk-bentuk bangunan lama di wilayah Khilafah. Pada 22 Februari 1893, Sultan Abu Bakar (Johor) dan Dato’ Abdul Rahman bin Andak (Dato’ Seri Amar DiRaja Johor) melawat ibukota Khilafah Uthmaniyyah dan berjumpa dengan Sultan Abdul Hameed Ke-2 di Turki. Sultan Abu Bakar dan pengiring-pengiringnya dikurniakan bintang-bintang kebesaran Darjah Utama Khilafah Uthmaniyah. Hikayat Johor meriwayatkan:

“… hingga pada akhirnya lantaslah Yang Maha Mulia (Sultan Johor) berjumpa dengan Yang Maha Mulia Sultan Abdul Hamid Khan di Konstantinopel (Istanbul). Maka diterimalah oleh baginda dengan sebaik-baik terimaan serta diraikan dengan secukup-cukupnya kerana amatlah gemar Yang Maha Mulia Sultan Turki itu melihatkan seorang raja sebelah timur begitu baik bawaan dan aturannya pada hal beragama Islam.”

Hubungan Sultan Abu Bakar dengan Sultan Abdul Hamid Ke-2 tetap merujuk kepada Khilafah. Sultan Abdul Hamid Ke-2 telah menjalin hubungan keluarga dengan mengurniakan dua orang wanita Turki, Khadijah Hanim untuk bernikah dengan Sultan Abu Bakar dan Ruqaiyah Hanim untuk bernikah dengan Engku Majid bin Temenggung Ibrahim (adinda Sultan Abu Bakar). Mereka dari wanita-wanita kesayangan ibu sultan dan isteri sultan. Tugasnya sebagai pengelola di istana Khilafah. Kebanyakan mereka dari Kaukasia (utara Turki, kini Georgia, Rusia).


antara bukti tinggalan sejarah hubungan erat ini ialah:

1) Bendera Johor
2) perkahwinan diraja.waris = keluarga Dato' Onn, keluarga Prof Ungku Aziz.
3) bandar skudai asal perkataan ialah Uskundar-terletak berhampiran jambatan untuk ke Turki sebelah Eropah.Kedudukan Ukundar agak sama dengan bandar Skudai,Johor.
dan banyak lagi bukti lain.

dipetik dari:

KHILAFAH ISLAMIYAH DAN ALAM MELAYU
“SEJARAH YANG DISEMBUNYIKAN”

Dr. Sallehuddin Ibrahim
Ikatan Intelektual Nusantara, [IKIN]
HangPC2
Sultanate Of Aceh Darussalam

(1496 - 1903)






Free Aceh Movement (GAM)






1950-1963 - Federation of Malaya





1963 - present - Malaysia





Melaka (Malacca) Negeri Melaka Darul Azim





Sultanate Of Johore (Negeri Johor Darul Takzim)





Sultanate Of Kelantan (Negeri Kelantan Dar ul-Naim)





Sultanate Of Selangor (Negeri Selangor Darul Ehsan)




HangPC2
Johor Darul Takzim


Coat Of Arms Or Seal





The Most Esteemed Family Order Of Johore - Grand Commander (DK) Collar And Collar Badge





The Most Esteemed Family Order Of Johore - Grand Commander (DK) Breast Star (L) And Collar Badge ®









The Most Illustrious Order Of The Crown Of Johore - Companion (SMJ) Badge.






Sultan Abu Bakar





Sultan Ibrahim











firdausj
I hope Turkey will not become Malaysia ... But, PM Ardogan can learn from DTM who succeed to manipulate "islam" and "race" for maintaining his power under UMNO ...


QUOTE
Malaysia warns about Malaysia

The Prime Minister of Malaysia compared to Turkey: "we are on the verge of disaster".

The Prime Minister Abdullah Bedevi said: "50 years passed since the day of independence; however, racial and religious issues still separate the country. I do not want to act like no problems exist in our country. We should be aware of the truth even if it is bitter."
Betong
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Oct 3 2007, 09:11 PM) [snapback]3246723[/snapback]
Hubungan Sultan Abu Bakar dengan Sultan Abdul Hamid Ke-2 tetap merujuk kepada Khilafah. Sultan Abdul Hamid Ke-2 telah menjalin hubungan keluarga dengan mengurniakan dua orang wanita Turki, Khadijah Hanim untuk bernikah dengan Sultan Abu Bakar dan Ruqaiyah Hanim untuk bernikah dengan Engku Majid bin Temenggung Ibrahim (adinda Sultan Abu Bakar). Mereka dari wanita-wanita kesayangan ibu sultan dan isteri sultan. Tugasnya sebagai pengelola di istana Khilafah. Kebanyakan mereka dari Kaukasia (utara Turki, kini Georgia, Rusia).
antara bukti tinggalan sejarah hubungan erat ini ialah:

1) Bendera Johor
2) perkahwinan diraja.waris = keluarga Dato' Onn, keluarga Prof Ungku Aziz.
3) bandar skudai asal perkataan ialah Uskundar-terletak berhampiran jambatan untuk ke Turki sebelah Eropah.Kedudukan Ukundar agak sama dengan bandar Skudai,Johor.
dan banyak lagi bukti lain.

After Engku Majid died Roqayah married two times more... First with Dato' Jaafar and Syed Al-Attas...
From Roqayah, many great name in Malaysia being born. With Dato' Jaafar she got Dato' Onn Jaafar, first UMNO president, Tun Hussien, Third Malaysia PM and Dato' Onn son and Dato' Hishamuddin, Tun Hussien son, Minester of Education. From Engku Majid borned Ungku Aziz and his daugther Zeti Akhtar Aziz, Malaysia Bank Negara Chairman. From Syed Al-Attas, borned Hussein and Naquib Al-Attas, both of them famous proffessor who devouted their life challanged British theory in Malaysia. Ali Tawfik, current IKIM chairman was son of Naquib

See we got alot from Ottoman....
HangPC2
Advertisement billboards with Jawi inscription and decent looking model are very unique to Kota Bharu.
Perhaps no where else in Malaysia, for similar trend to be found.




























Sources : http://raykinzoku.fotopages.com
HangPC2
malaccan
QUOTE(Betong @ Oct 9 2007, 04:48 AM) [snapback]3257464[/snapback]
After Engku Majid died Roqayah married two times more... First with Dato' Jaafar and Syed Al-Attas...
From Roqayah, many great name in Malaysia being born. With Dato' Jaafar she got Dato' Onn Jaafar, first UMNO president, Tun Hussien, Third Malaysia PM and Dato' Onn son and Dato' Hishamuddin, Tun Hussien son, Minester of Education. From Engku Majid borned Ungku Aziz and his daugther Zeti Akhtar Aziz, Malaysia Bank Negara Chairman. From Syed Al-Attas, borned Hussein and Naquib Al-Attas, both of them famous proffessor who devouted their life challanged British theory in Malaysia. Ali Tawfik, current IKIM chairman was son of Naquib

See we got alot from Ottoman....

Betong, I'm impressed! eek.gif
HangPC2
There is probably no way for a first timer to Kelantan,
venturing into the state's supermart or hypermart ( the groceries section )
to miss this common but unique sight :






Perhaps by now,
every Malaysian might have already known that Kelantan,
the only Malaysian state governs by the Pan Malaysian Islamic Party ( PAS ),
required all supermarkets to have separate lines for male and female at the paying counters.
More on the list are public concerts, public functions or gatherings and some other related activities
and even goes to anyone who would like to reintroduce the cinema back to the state.

So far I dont see the locals complaining about it and me, I choose to stay optimistic.







* The newspaper article is a trimmed version of the original article from
The Times, " Battle of the sexes leaves men groping for equality ".



As in Kelantan, the rule is " State-imposed ".
Rather unfortunate as it happens at times when most Malaysians prefer to see every move
by the politicians as merely a " political stunt " rather than a " practical solution ",
resulting only a handful few takes the rule seriously. *
And to make matters worst, Kelantan is currently under the Oppositions,
which explains why some Malaysians choose to be sceptical or critical whenever it comes to the state's matter.

But if that is really the case,
I wonder whether the following is a political stunt too...

In July 2006, a well known Kelantanese express bus operator,
minus the government intervention or pressure, managed to come up with a revolutionary
new idea for their service :






HangPC2
Betong
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Oct 18 2007, 09:14 AM) [snapback]3273646[/snapback]
Advertisement billboards with Jawi inscription and decent looking model are very unique to Kota Bharu.
Perhaps no where else in Malaysia, for similar trend to be found.









Sources : http://raykinzoku.fotopages.com

Thanks Hang PC2...
My home sweet home...
tangawizi
QUOTE(BuminQhan @ Oct 3 2007, 01:20 PM) [snapback]3245593[/snapback]
In the Ottoman Empire Islam have erased turkish language and culture. Even we have lost our identity and don´t look like our ancestors, but like arabs and persians. Now after Ataturks reforms we are searching for our lost turkishness and we don´t want to find it in Islam. Except Erdogan and the powerfull islamic fundamentalists.

let me say this, before Islamic revolution no one thought that the bikini-staate Iran could turn into a sharia ruled state, so nothing is impossible...


I dunno who u are whether u are Turkish but your message is pointedly true. Yet it is lost to many Malaysian folks cuz they too have lost their original identity and culture with the arrival of Islam and the British empire. It is necessary for Malaysians (be they Malay, Chinese or of Indian origin) to search and rediscover their lost heritages. This makes a people united and proud of their origin. Right now, unfortunately, the foistering of an alien civilization (arab) on the multi-racial peoples of Malaysia is causing a clash of values not juz between the various ethnic groups, but also a clash of the kampong psyche governed by cycle of harvests and prayers versus the drudge but prosperous city.

PB.
Outside of all of this article posting,I enjoy sucking on tangawizi`s toes
tangawizi
quit talking and keep sucking frodo! laugh.gif

galvatron
Turkey will not become Malaysia because Turkey soccer team is much stronger than Malaysia,Turkey have finish 3rd in World Cup even soccer arrive in Malaysia first before Turkey ,Turkey are real Muslim because they are antiracist and respect other religion unlike those Malay,some have blood of Attilia The Hun and Khazar laugh.gif .
Protoculture
Guys, some may accused & despised Kemal Ataturk for his secularism, but pls refer to your Malaysian history. Thanks to Kemal, the Young Malay movement revolutionised Malay traditional religious schools in 1917 - 1920s period, from which these young idealist 'Malay-Turks' as they were known contributed in a new cream of Malay nationalists in 1930s, which spawned UMNO in late 1940s.

The secularist-nationalism mantra carried by Kemal's iedology is the basis of Malay nationalism!
HangPC2
Kelantan Scenery




Armageddon
"Turkey will not become Malaysia"...that much is true,...even if Malaysia itself is following middle east countries implementations like what they have introduced to those banking facilities.....Malaysia proven to be a copycat.

corky
not if they want any chance of joining europe... Talktohand.gif
tangawizi
QUOTE(Protoculture @ Nov 1 2007, 11:53 AM) [snapback]3294318[/snapback]
Guys, some may accused & despised Kemal Ataturk for his secularism, but pls refer to your Malaysian history. Thanks to Kemal, the Young Malay movement revolutionised Malay traditional religious schools in 1917 - 1920s period, from which these young idealist 'Malay-Turks' as they were known contributed in a new cream of Malay nationalists in 1930s, which spawned UMNO in late 1940s.

The secularist-nationalism mantra carried by Kemal's iedology is the basis of Malay nationalism!


interesting! any more info on that Young Malay movement? Was Tengku Abdul Rahman one of the Young Malay Turks?
HangPC2
Ottoman In South East Asia














simonsaysgerard
Islamization... be careful when you go down this route because if you do, it can be very hard to turn back. And they don't just send you to jail or slap you with a fine. They stone you to death.
tangawizi
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Nov 28 2007, 05:53 PM) [snapback]3335133[/snapback]
Ottoman In South East Asia


These docs seem to relate to Aceh's petition to the Ottoman Caliphate to grant it protectorate status and extra army to fight against the Dutch colonial rule. Did Malaysia have to make the same petition to the Ottomans?
HangPC2


HangPC2
Cinemas allowed ‘with conditions’





KOTA BARU: After the last cinema was closed down in 1995, the state government is now willing to consider allowing them or cineplexes.

However, only movies with strong moral values could be screened.

State Finance Planning Committee chairman Datuk Husam Musa told a press conference yesterday that the state government would welcome investors keen to set up cinemas or cineplexes.

Actress Maya Karin, during a visit to Kota Baru on Tuesday, supported the revival of the cinema or cineplex industry in the state, saying that it could boost the local film scene.

State Education Committee chairman Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah said that the state had not banned cinemas or cineplexes but that they died a “natural death” due to the advent of VCDs, DVDs and the Internet.

Husam said the approach to invite local celebrities such as Mawi and Maya Karin was to bring about a positive effect to an Islamic form of entertainment.

“We must bring stars such as Mawi or Maya as they can woo the public on advocating an Islamic form of entertainment which dwells more on strong morals, spiritual and human qualities rather than the current crop of commercialised movies which border on excessive sex and violence.”

Husam said he was delighted to see Maya donning a headscarf and was polite during her brief visit here.

At another function, Husam said he welcomed the Anti-Corruption Agency (ACA) to investigate corruption and abuse of power claims made against him.

- The Star -
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Maya all for cinemas


KOTA BARU: Local celebrity Maya Karin has thrown her support behind local efforts to revive the cinema or cineplex industry in Kelantan, saying it could boost the local film scene besides increasing box-office receipts.

If local cineplexes were reopened, good quality shows could be screened that could reach out to large audiences, she said during a one-day visit to the state yesterday.




Industry input: Maya leaving the hall after taking part in a three-member panel to discuss films made by Iranian director Majid in Kota Baru yesterday.


Three states in Malaysia – Kelantan, Terengganu and Perlis – do not have cinemas or cineplexs.

State Education committee chairman Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah denied the state had banned cinemas and cineplexes saying they had died a natural death with the advent of VCDs, DVDs and the Internet.

However, he declined to comment when asked if the state would now okay the revival of the movie houses in Kelantan except to say that it might be possible if they only screened movies with Islamic values and qualities.

Maya, who visited the state government complex, was demurely dressed in a simple dark outfit and a blue scarf. She graciously fielded questions at a crowded press conference. Mohd Amar was also there.

When Mohd Amar asked her about her impressions during her visit here, Maya said “the food and people are nice – great and friendly”, neatly sidestepping any controversial remarks related to Kelantan’s contentious dress code for women in entertainment.

Maya noted that she was a billboard poster girl in Kelantan, which had her featured wearing a scarf and promoting a certain telecommunication firm.

She said her success as a model posing confidently in a scarf showed that a woman’s beauty came from within.

Earlier Maya, of German-Malay parentage, was part of a three-member panel that debated and discussed the moral and humanity attributes in films made by renowned Iranian film director Majid Majidi.

The other panellists were academician Dr Hatta Azad Khan and movie director Mamat Khalid. The moderator was Hassan Abd Mutalib.

Maya was given red-carpet treatment with her limousine escorted by an auxiliary police vehicle during her journey to the Siti Khatijah wet market, a local landmark.

She was mobbed by the elderly women traders, shoppers and the young and sportingly posed for photographs while buying batik.

Later, she attended the Kelantan Mini-Film Festival that screened Majid’s award-winning film Baran.

She returned to Kuala Lumpur in the evening.

- The Star -
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hi, please post the link for this article??? thx!
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The AKP is as much of an "Islamic party" as the Republican Party is a "Christian party". In other words, they're not religious at all, but some members of the party are.

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The Kota Baru Municipal Council (MPKB) has announced that it would “no longer tolerate indecent dressing” by women, both Muslim and non-Muslim.

Public relations officer Mohd Azman Daham said that under local council by-laws women who “dressed sexily or indecently” could be fined up to RM500.


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Psssstttt HangPC, mu ni oghe PAS ko?

Ummm, on other note, yup, Turkey do not need to become MY. Erdogan knows well, if AKP starts Islamization, the Turkey military will usurp power & dethroned the Islamists. Turkey's staunchly secular armed forces are the stalwart of Kemal's secular ideology. So, Erdogan placate the military, given them greenlight to bomb the hell outta Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq, & defy USA pressure. On the other hand, the identity of Turkish Muslims grow more evident thanks to his party overwhelming victory in Turkey.

Besides, MY is far different ballgame than Turkey. Although the Muslims Malays are moderate, we/re still considered far more conservative than Muslim Turks, given Muslim Malays close affinity with Islam as prescribed in MY. One more thing, MY is unique since we've significant non-Muslim populations that necessitates the need not to be 100% Sharia compliant nation.

In short, we're still far better example in Muslim world, that stands ideally with Islamic principles, & adjusting secular needs to serve the people from different walks of religions.
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Psssstttt HangPC, mu ni oghe PAS ko?


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