NEW DELHI (AFP) — A racism row refuses to go away in India where fans repeatedly taunted Australia's only black player, tarnishing the country's sporting image.
Andrew Symonds was subjected to monkey chants from the crowd during the fifth game of seven in the India-Australia one-day series and booed and mocked in the final game in Mumbai on Wednesday.
A front-page picture in Friday's Hindustan Times caught a section of the Mumbai crowd where at least two men appeared to be making monkey gestures.
"The ugly Indian?" asked the accompanying headline.
The daily's sports page appealed to Indian fair play: "C'mon Mumbai, this isn't us," pleaded a major story.
The episode has been a wake-up call for Indian authorities, who earlier condemned the behaviour after initially trying to downplay the issue.
Some officials had suggested the chants were to invoke the powerful and popular Hindu monkey god Hanuman.
And Indian cricket chief Sharad Pawar was quoted in the Australian press saying it was a "misunderstanding" and a "language issue."
But as the debate rumbled on, he Wednesday issued a joint statement with the Australian board condemning racism of any kind in the game.
India lost the series 4-2 and its reputation as a sporting also took a battering, just two months before a Test series in Australia.
Fears of retaliatory behaviour in Australia are mounting.
"If a random trawl of the blogosphere is any indication, Indian players travelling to Australia this winter should expect to cop more than a bit of heat in retaliation," The Hindustan Times said.
"There is talk of 'paying the effing Indians back in the same coin' and 'getting one back for Symmo (Symonds)'," it noted.
Sri Lankan players have reportedly expressed worries they could be among the first to feel the backlash when they arrive Down Under this month for a two-Test series.
The series will also see the return of ace off-spinner Muttiah Muralitharan, who has often expressed his unhappiness at Australian fans' comments over his controversial bowling action.
The Sri Lankan is just nine short of breaking retired Australian leg-spinner Shane Warne's Test world record of 708 wickets.
The Australians, and especially Symonds, have tried to keep the racism row low key in India.
"I am not disappointed it happened, but I heard people refused it happened ... and that's disappointing," Symonds admitted after the sixth one-dayer at Nagpur, where he smashed an unbeaten century.
Australia skipper Ricky Ponting said he hoped the matter was closed and there would be no repetition during a Twenty20 match in Mumbai on Saturday.
"I am sure there will be a lot of embarrassed people around this country to know that this stuff has happened again at one of their venues. It's done now, hopefully in the Twenty20 match it does not happen," he said.
International Cricket Council (ICC) chief executive Malcolm Speed urged members to be true to the zero-tolerance approach to racism.
"If people are seen or heard behaving in a racist way then our message to the ground authorities and host boards is clear: find the culprits, throw them out and keep them out because racism has no place in our sport," he said.
"It's pleasing to hear that some offenders in Mumbai were ejected and that is the type of zero tolerance we want in relation to this despicable behaviour.
"Traditionally, racism has not been a significant issue for cricket. It's a sport that we are proud to say is well-known for respect, tolerance, diversity and fair play and we are keen to ensure it stays that way."
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gp1OBl...-aDL2PY5tKx_82g
Full Version: Racism row haunts India
Hello @moviez why you are posting under some other username? 
Australia is the most racist country in the world. Australian fans have the dubious dictinction of harrasing foreign players. When Australian players got treatment of their own medicine they are making hue and cry.
Australia is the most racist country in the world. Australian fans have the dubious dictinction of harrasing foreign players. When Australian players got treatment of their own medicine they are making hue and cry.
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Oct 20 2007, 06:52 AM) 
Australia is the most racist country in the world. Australian fans have the dubious dictinction of harrasing foreign players. When Australian players got treatment of their own medicine they are making hue and cry.
The gestures,insults,racial epithets and taunts where only directed toward the black player so how is any of what you expressed an excuse?Live Long?
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The Atrocity That Walks Like A Man.
This australian player had previously made a catch like a monkey mocking the Indian audience. the Indian crowd merely retaliated back.
QUOTE(Yuyutsu @ Oct 20 2007, 10:44 AM)
This australian player had previously made a catch like a monkey mocking the Indian audience. the Indian crowd merely retaliated back.
Please post a link in support of your assertion. wIe would very much like to have the full story.Live Long.
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QUOTE(VAMAN @ Oct 20 2007, 11:52 AM)
Hello @moviez why you are posting under some other username?
Australia is the most racist country in the world. Australian fans have the dubious dictinction of harrasing foreign players. When Australian players got treatment of their own medicine they are making hue and cry.
Australia is the most racist country in the world. Australian fans have the dubious dictinction of harrasing foreign players. When Australian players got treatment of their own medicine they are making hue and cry.
Retaliating with the same disgusting manner is unnacceptable imo, as it means those fans have stooped to the level of the Australians who were racist (assuming this is true). Instead, as Indians we should have made an extra effort to show kindness to the Australians and embrace their differences.
why pick on the black guy though?
Monty Panesar is a player of Indian origin and he plays for English Cricket team. He was racially abused by some Australian fans in Sydney. So tell me why an Asian guy being targeted among the team of English players?
Here is an article on racial abuse of foreign players in Australia. Some posters here are asking for the proof, what a shame when Aussies are getting back what they always used to do to visiting teams people are asking Indians to restrain. Where were those people when Aussies were abusing foreign players?
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Panesar racially abused
By James Phelps
November 14, 2006
AUSTRALIA'S cricket fans are already pushing the boundaries of the new hardline anti-racism laws after England bowler Monty Panesar was called a "stupid Indian" during a tour match against New South Wales at Sydney Cricket Ground.
Panesar - a bearded Sikh who wears a black patka - was targeted by a group of fans during day one of the match as he fielded near the boundary fence under the Clive Churchill Stand.
One fan was witnessed calling the left-arm spinner a "stupid Indian who can't speak English".
"Give us a wave Monty," the spectator shouted.
"You can't speak English you stupid Indian, I'll have to say it in Indian. What are you doing playing in the English side, you're not English."
While no official complaint was made, the England camp is understood to have been subjected to abuse since touching down in Australia just over a week ago.
Fans face lifetime bans if found guilty of racial abuse while nations failing to uphold penalties may lose the international playing status at the venue where the incident occurred.
Both Panesar and South Africa-born Kevin Pietersen are understood to have been abused while playing in the Prime Minister's XI match at Manuka Oval, Canberra, last week.
Australian Federal Police confirmed last night that eight people were ejected from Manuka Oval on Friday for disorderly behaviour.
Panesar underwent counselling before leaving England for Australia, fearing he would be targeted by the Australian crowds.
The attack comes a year after the South Africa team complained about being racially abused by Australian crowds.
The tourists were unhappy after spectators shouted "kaffir" - a racist term used against black people in southern South Africa - from the stands.
The International Cricket Council was forced to make hardline changes to its anti-racism policy following the complaints.
A spokesman for the England team called on Australian fans to show respect for the team.
"We have come out here to play the game with dignity," he said.
"And we expect the Australian fans will show the sportsmanship they are renowned for and hope they will respect the players both on and off the field."
South Africa captain Graeme Smith warned before the England tour began that Panesar would face an "unbelievable amount of abuse" during the Ashes series.
"I was chatting to some of our team just the other day and we all shivered at the prospect of what he could be in for," Smith said.
"I sincerely hope for everyone's sake, but especially his, that it isn't of a racist nature, but our own experience obviously leaves us with doubts."
The SCG Trust said security officials had not been made aware of any racial abuse on Sunday, and only three people were ejected for being intoxicated.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,20752777-23212,00.html
By James Phelps
November 14, 2006
AUSTRALIA'S cricket fans are already pushing the boundaries of the new hardline anti-racism laws after England bowler Monty Panesar was called a "stupid Indian" during a tour match against New South Wales at Sydney Cricket Ground.
Panesar - a bearded Sikh who wears a black patka - was targeted by a group of fans during day one of the match as he fielded near the boundary fence under the Clive Churchill Stand.
One fan was witnessed calling the left-arm spinner a "stupid Indian who can't speak English".
"Give us a wave Monty," the spectator shouted.
"You can't speak English you stupid Indian, I'll have to say it in Indian. What are you doing playing in the English side, you're not English."
While no official complaint was made, the England camp is understood to have been subjected to abuse since touching down in Australia just over a week ago.
Fans face lifetime bans if found guilty of racial abuse while nations failing to uphold penalties may lose the international playing status at the venue where the incident occurred.
Both Panesar and South Africa-born Kevin Pietersen are understood to have been abused while playing in the Prime Minister's XI match at Manuka Oval, Canberra, last week.
Australian Federal Police confirmed last night that eight people were ejected from Manuka Oval on Friday for disorderly behaviour.
Panesar underwent counselling before leaving England for Australia, fearing he would be targeted by the Australian crowds.
The attack comes a year after the South Africa team complained about being racially abused by Australian crowds.
The tourists were unhappy after spectators shouted "kaffir" - a racist term used against black people in southern South Africa - from the stands.
The International Cricket Council was forced to make hardline changes to its anti-racism policy following the complaints.
A spokesman for the England team called on Australian fans to show respect for the team.
"We have come out here to play the game with dignity," he said.
"And we expect the Australian fans will show the sportsmanship they are renowned for and hope they will respect the players both on and off the field."
South Africa captain Graeme Smith warned before the England tour began that Panesar would face an "unbelievable amount of abuse" during the Ashes series.
"I was chatting to some of our team just the other day and we all shivered at the prospect of what he could be in for," Smith said.
"I sincerely hope for everyone's sake, but especially his, that it isn't of a racist nature, but our own experience obviously leaves us with doubts."
The SCG Trust said security officials had not been made aware of any racial abuse on Sunday, and only three people were ejected for being intoxicated.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,20752777-23212,00.html
Here is an article on racial abuse of foreign players in Australia. Some posters here are asking for the proof, what a shame when Aussies are getting back what they always used to do to visiting teams people are asking Indians to restrain. Where were those people when Aussies were abusing foreign players?
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Racism in cricket? Refer to Australian report just out
Wednesday October 17, 03:42 AM
The noise coming out of the Australian cricket camp over its star Andrew Symonds being taunted by "monkey chants" during last week's one-day international in Vadodara seems a bit over the top-when you consider the startling contents of an Australian government-backed report that was released today.
Racial abuse is prevalent across the sporting world of Australia, including its cricket grounds, says the report titled ' What's the Score? A survey of cultural diversity and racism in Australian sport' that was released today by Australia's Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission (HREOC).
On Australian cricket, the report points to "racial sledging" of South African cricketers who "were referred to as kaffirs by a small section of spectators" at Perth in December 2005. It says that cricketers from Sri Lanka were "subjected to calls of 'black c--' at Adelaide, and adds that an ICC security official was punched by spectators in Melbourne.
"It is clear that incidents of racial abuse and vilification are prevalent across all major sporting codes, involving professional sportspeople, amateurs, coaches and spectators. The fear of racism in Australian sport is also a major barrier to participation for Indigenous people and those from various ethnic and cultural groups," says Race Discrimination Commissioner Tom Calma about the report that has been put up on the commission's website www.hreoc.gov.au.
Focusing on Cricket Australia, apart from 16 other national sporting organisations Down Under, the report says: "Don't believe the spin doctors - racism still exists in sport."
Under the heading 'A Summer of Discontent', the report says about racism in Australian cricket:
"It is not surprising that Cricket Australia was highly embarrassed by the racist taunts directed at visiting cricketers during the 2005-06 international series, which led to an International Cricket Council (ICC) investigation into the behaviour of Australian crowds.
"The racist sledging of players by spectators started during the Perth Test in December 2005, when some South African players were referred to as 'kaffirs' by a small section of spectators in the crowd. Similar taunting was also reported by the South African players in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. Members of the Sri Lankan team were subjected to calls of 'black c--' from spectators at the Adelaide Oval during a One Day International match on Australia Day.
"Players haven't been the only targets. The International Cricket Council's regional anti-corruption and security chief, John Rhodes, was punched by a drunken spectator at Melbourne's Telstra Dome after being identified as South African."
Under another heading 'Deep Concerns Remain', the report says, "For racism to have infected Australia's national summer pastime and a sport long regarded as one of the world's most 'civilised' games is deeply concerning for a country that prides itself on being fair-minded and multicultural."
It adds: "So too is a recent survey of cricket fans, which indicates opinion is divided on the contentious behaviour of Australian crowds. Many seem to think there is no problem at all. A poll on cricket website baggygreen.com.au found that 46 per cent of 12,000 respondents believed crowd behaviour had been acceptable during the 2005-06 summer season."
Then, it quotes Cricket Australia CEO James Sutherland as saying, " I think it's embarrassing for Australian cricket that we are put in a position where this review has been implemented."
However, the report acknowledges that "Cricket Australia acted quickly to reinforce its zero-tolerance policy towards racist abuse, with security staff ordered to eject any perpetrators from the ground and heavy fines for racist behaviour".
In Vadodara, Australian all-rounder Symonds had alleged that he faced racial taunts from spectators during the one-day international, following which the ICC sent a letter to the BCCI, citing media reports, asking it to explain. The Australian media has also launched a high-pitched campaign against the Indian cricket board for its "inaction".
BCCI's Anti-Racism Commissioner Prof Ratnakar Shetty told The Indian Express: "All of us know how Sri Lanka's Muttiah Muralitharan was taunted by crowds in Australia. We know how they treated England's Monty Panesar. Look who is talking."
Shetty, who is also the BCCI's Chief Administrative Officer, added: "I was present in Vadodara during the match, and the noise from the crowd was deafening. I don't understand how you could make out monkey noises from all that. What is this monkey noise, anyway? Or Mr Andrew Symonds should report to us exactly what was said to him. Then, it makes sense. But he has not done that, either."
In fact, the Symonds episode is the latest in a one-day series of heated tempers - Australia leads 4-1 with the final match coming up tomorrow in Mumbai - with Indian off-spinner Harbhajan Singh earlier accusing the Australian cricketers of "ungentlemanly behaviour".
http://in.sports.yahoo.com/071016/48/6m10k.html
Wednesday October 17, 03:42 AM
The noise coming out of the Australian cricket camp over its star Andrew Symonds being taunted by "monkey chants" during last week's one-day international in Vadodara seems a bit over the top-when you consider the startling contents of an Australian government-backed report that was released today.
Racial abuse is prevalent across the sporting world of Australia, including its cricket grounds, says the report titled ' What's the Score? A survey of cultural diversity and racism in Australian sport' that was released today by Australia's Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission (HREOC).
On Australian cricket, the report points to "racial sledging" of South African cricketers who "were referred to as kaffirs by a small section of spectators" at Perth in December 2005. It says that cricketers from Sri Lanka were "subjected to calls of 'black c--' at Adelaide, and adds that an ICC security official was punched by spectators in Melbourne.
"It is clear that incidents of racial abuse and vilification are prevalent across all major sporting codes, involving professional sportspeople, amateurs, coaches and spectators. The fear of racism in Australian sport is also a major barrier to participation for Indigenous people and those from various ethnic and cultural groups," says Race Discrimination Commissioner Tom Calma about the report that has been put up on the commission's website www.hreoc.gov.au.
Focusing on Cricket Australia, apart from 16 other national sporting organisations Down Under, the report says: "Don't believe the spin doctors - racism still exists in sport."
Under the heading 'A Summer of Discontent', the report says about racism in Australian cricket:
"It is not surprising that Cricket Australia was highly embarrassed by the racist taunts directed at visiting cricketers during the 2005-06 international series, which led to an International Cricket Council (ICC) investigation into the behaviour of Australian crowds.
"The racist sledging of players by spectators started during the Perth Test in December 2005, when some South African players were referred to as 'kaffirs' by a small section of spectators in the crowd. Similar taunting was also reported by the South African players in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. Members of the Sri Lankan team were subjected to calls of 'black c--' from spectators at the Adelaide Oval during a One Day International match on Australia Day.
"Players haven't been the only targets. The International Cricket Council's regional anti-corruption and security chief, John Rhodes, was punched by a drunken spectator at Melbourne's Telstra Dome after being identified as South African."
Under another heading 'Deep Concerns Remain', the report says, "For racism to have infected Australia's national summer pastime and a sport long regarded as one of the world's most 'civilised' games is deeply concerning for a country that prides itself on being fair-minded and multicultural."
It adds: "So too is a recent survey of cricket fans, which indicates opinion is divided on the contentious behaviour of Australian crowds. Many seem to think there is no problem at all. A poll on cricket website baggygreen.com.au found that 46 per cent of 12,000 respondents believed crowd behaviour had been acceptable during the 2005-06 summer season."
Then, it quotes Cricket Australia CEO James Sutherland as saying, " I think it's embarrassing for Australian cricket that we are put in a position where this review has been implemented."
However, the report acknowledges that "Cricket Australia acted quickly to reinforce its zero-tolerance policy towards racist abuse, with security staff ordered to eject any perpetrators from the ground and heavy fines for racist behaviour".
In Vadodara, Australian all-rounder Symonds had alleged that he faced racial taunts from spectators during the one-day international, following which the ICC sent a letter to the BCCI, citing media reports, asking it to explain. The Australian media has also launched a high-pitched campaign against the Indian cricket board for its "inaction".
BCCI's Anti-Racism Commissioner Prof Ratnakar Shetty told The Indian Express: "All of us know how Sri Lanka's Muttiah Muralitharan was taunted by crowds in Australia. We know how they treated England's Monty Panesar. Look who is talking."
Shetty, who is also the BCCI's Chief Administrative Officer, added: "I was present in Vadodara during the match, and the noise from the crowd was deafening. I don't understand how you could make out monkey noises from all that. What is this monkey noise, anyway? Or Mr Andrew Symonds should report to us exactly what was said to him. Then, it makes sense. But he has not done that, either."
In fact, the Symonds episode is the latest in a one-day series of heated tempers - Australia leads 4-1 with the final match coming up tomorrow in Mumbai - with Indian off-spinner Harbhajan Singh earlier accusing the Australian cricketers of "ungentlemanly behaviour".
http://in.sports.yahoo.com/071016/48/6m10k.html
QUOTE(yuiop @ Oct 20 2007, 02:04 PM)
why pick on the black guy though?
There is no concept of western racism in India. They are merely mimic-ing what they think will rile the australian team - for their decades long abusive behavior towards Indians and Sri Lankans.
You can see that this in this Sreesanth Video
deleted. repeat post.
QUOTE(Yuyutsu @ Oct 21 2007, 01:24 AM)
There is no concept of western racism in India. They are merely mimic-ing what they think will rile the australian team - for their decades long abusive behavior towards Indians and Sri Lankans.
Yes totally agreed. People with western sensibilities need to understand that there is a big difference between social situation in India and western countries. Now Srilankan team is going to Australian tour in two months you people just watch how nasty Australians get to foreign players.
QUOTE(Yuyutsu @ Oct 21 2007, 01:24 AM)
You can see that this in this Sreesanth Video
I like his killer instincts.
QUOTE(Mythlore @ Oct 20 2007, 08:31 AM)
[color=#FF0000]The gestures,insults,racial epithets and taunts where only directed toward the black player so how is any of what you expressed an excuse?
see the comment by one Vidyadhar Akkaraju
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Racism: who are the real monkeys in the crowd? If indeed an Australian player mocked the crowd after taking a catch like a monkey, then can they really complain if the crowd paid them back. WHO then was really being racist. Come off your high horses and take an unemotional look. Australians wrote the book on crowd taunting visiting players including using racial epithets. This was rampant during India''s last tour when words such as coolie were widely used. Last year Ashes series it was rampant also. Now a small minority taunted Symonds and they kick up a row. How oblivious were they to their own mis behaviour.
I read an article written by Rahul Bose after the Shilpa thing about racism in India and some incident where a black American man was kicked out of a club in Mumbai was mentioned...
Social dynamics in the west are determined by ideological principles, eg the idea of the superiority of certain "races". This is not true in Asia. Ideology is foreign to Asia and was only imported with the Abrahamic creeds, including Communism.
Even the category of "religion" is foreign to Asia. If you ask a Chinese person whether he is Buddhist or Taoist or what religion he/she is, more likely than not, you will get a quizzical look back - because that question is 'nonsensical' to them. Same is also true in India, only that we have swallowed western categories more and their imposed identities such as Hinduism have started to make sense us.
The following paper by S.N. Balagangadhara explains these points in detail. It is a must read.
http://colonial.consciousness.googlepages....ploration...%22
Excerpt:
Caste and Territoriality
I would now like to speculate that one of the results of the Indian 'caste system' has been the creation of ethnies cutting across linguistic and territorial differences. A Brahmin is one, irrespective of where he lived or what language he spoke. 'Territorial behaviour', it could be said, was minimized by transforming the nature of interethnic relations. It is as though the aggression between such groups resembles not an intra-species aggression, but an inter-species one, i.e., aggression between different 'caste groups' took the form of aggression between members of different species.
A Brahmin and a sudra could share the same territory in the same way a dog and a cow can; a basic tolerance (or, if you prefer, indifference) coupled with overt aggressive behaviour every now and then. A very familiar example to all of us in India is the existence of shops and restaurants, all in the same street, catering to different 'caste groups' living in the same territory. The extraordinary significance of this will become apparent to those of you who know Europe a bit: Turkish cafes and shops in areas hardly populated by the indigenous people, Indian restaurants and shops in areas where only Indians live, etc. I am aware of the presence of all kinds of eating houses in the big shopping streets of Europe. This post-war phenomenon, which is due to the rise of the opulent middle classes in Europe, does not provide a counter-example to what I am saying. The ghetto formation along ethnic lines is a typical phenomenon of European culture and not, I submit, of Asian culture. It is difficult even in our modern day cities to come across a phenomenon so typical of, say, America: Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, or Hispanics generally, Blacks, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc., all have their own ghettos, territories and turf. I submit that the only thing that resembles such territories in our cultures are the cantonments -- a British creation. The separate living quarters of the different 'caste groups' are only superficially similar to the kind of territoriality of ethnies that we are talking about.
Even the category of "religion" is foreign to Asia. If you ask a Chinese person whether he is Buddhist or Taoist or what religion he/she is, more likely than not, you will get a quizzical look back - because that question is 'nonsensical' to them. Same is also true in India, only that we have swallowed western categories more and their imposed identities such as Hinduism have started to make sense us.
The following paper by S.N. Balagangadhara explains these points in detail. It is a must read.
http://colonial.consciousness.googlepages....ploration...%22
Excerpt:
Caste and Territoriality
I would now like to speculate that one of the results of the Indian 'caste system' has been the creation of ethnies cutting across linguistic and territorial differences. A Brahmin is one, irrespective of where he lived or what language he spoke. 'Territorial behaviour', it could be said, was minimized by transforming the nature of interethnic relations. It is as though the aggression between such groups resembles not an intra-species aggression, but an inter-species one, i.e., aggression between different 'caste groups' took the form of aggression between members of different species.
A Brahmin and a sudra could share the same territory in the same way a dog and a cow can; a basic tolerance (or, if you prefer, indifference) coupled with overt aggressive behaviour every now and then. A very familiar example to all of us in India is the existence of shops and restaurants, all in the same street, catering to different 'caste groups' living in the same territory. The extraordinary significance of this will become apparent to those of you who know Europe a bit: Turkish cafes and shops in areas hardly populated by the indigenous people, Indian restaurants and shops in areas where only Indians live, etc. I am aware of the presence of all kinds of eating houses in the big shopping streets of Europe. This post-war phenomenon, which is due to the rise of the opulent middle classes in Europe, does not provide a counter-example to what I am saying. The ghetto formation along ethnic lines is a typical phenomenon of European culture and not, I submit, of Asian culture. It is difficult even in our modern day cities to come across a phenomenon so typical of, say, America: Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, or Hispanics generally, Blacks, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc., all have their own ghettos, territories and turf. I submit that the only thing that resembles such territories in our cultures are the cantonments -- a British creation. The separate living quarters of the different 'caste groups' are only superficially similar to the kind of territoriality of ethnies that we are talking about.
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Oct 20 2007, 07:52 AM)
Australia is the most racist country in the world. Australian fans have the dubious dictinction of harrasing foreign players. When Australian players got treatment of their own medicine they are making hue and cry.
that doesn't justify their actions...
QUOTE(ham_let @ Oct 21 2007, 08:30 AM)
that doesn't justify their actions...
I need not get defencive on this I suggest you read the articles I posted in my other post (Post #8) in this thread and read them carefully before arriving at any conclusion. I am wondering why people get so touchy on racism shown by non-whites, when for whites it is like a daily habit no one says anything to them.
mythlore if u get some time .......... tell this piece of $hit to stay out of india ............. he is trying to create disunity among indians the same way the british used the divide and rule policy in india ...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8j4ozFf1R4
also he uses stupid archaic photos over and over again ..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8j4ozFf1R4
also he uses stupid archaic photos over and over again ..........
QUOTE(the_falcon @ Oct 21 2007, 10:49 AM)
mythlore if u get some time .......... tell this piece of $hit to stay out of india ............. he is trying to create disunity among indians the same way the british used the divide and rule policy in india ...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8j4ozFf1R4
also he uses stupid archaic photos over and over again ..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8j4ozFf1R4
also he uses stupid archaic photos over and over again ..........
I remember someone mentioning this Dr. Runoko Rashidi before in AF. Now watching this video I realized that he is some kind of pseudo-intellectual trying to brainwash already ignorant people. He is categorizing ST tribals Dalits in the same category and by showing slides of people what he is trying to prove? I closed the video half-way I have never heard that much ignorance before in my life.
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Oct 21 2007, 06:13 AM)
I need not get defencive on this I suggest you read the articles I posted in my other post (Post #8) in this thread and read them carefully before arriving at any conclusion. I am wondering why people get so touchy on racism shown by non-whites, when for whites it is like a daily habit no one says anything to them.
Vaman, I don't think anyone excuses the Australians being racist, but Indians shouldn't retaliate in the same way, two wrongs don't make a right.
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Oct 21 2007, 12:55 AM)
I remember someone mentioning this Dr. Runoko Rashidi before in AF. Now watching this video I realized that he is some kind of pseudo-intellectual trying to brainwash already ignorant people. He is categorizing ST tribals Dalits in the same category and by showing slides of people what he is trying to prove? I closed the video half-way I have never heard that much ignorance before in my life.
remember how the british used their fair skin and tried to divide the indians ....... this guy did the opposite he went to a village grabed a couple of dark people and started saying that they were different to the light skin indians in the village ......... then when the police came to resolve the situation he called them aryan supressors and claimed that they were putting down the villagers .......
if i ever see this bastard again i swear i will shoot him ..... i dont care wether it is a european , chinese, african if anyone tries to create more disunity among indian people he should be shot ..... we have a lot of problems in india we dont need more of this bull$hit in our lives ....
The Australian captain Ricky Ponting is blatantly setting double standards.
A few years ago, when Sri Lanka toured Australia all kinds of gross racial abuse was hurled at the Sri Lankan players in particular towards Muttiah Muralitharan. Murali was constantly taunted as a "chucker" by the crowd combined with a whole load of expletives. Also, Darren Lehmann an Australian player yelled out racist remarks as he was getting back to the dressing room during one match. What did Ricky Ponting do? Nothing. He was completely indifferent to the appalling actions of those racist Australian supporters when he should've taken the initiative to condemn that kind of behaviour, and encouraged the fans to take a more civilised approach.
Now his mate Symmo is receiving monkey chants from some sections of the Indian crowd, and little Ponty is out there whinging, whinging and whinging.
Though I feel sorry for Symmo. I met him once in Melbourne and he signed my hat. A really nice bloke. Just unfortunate to be in this kind of situation.
A few years ago, when Sri Lanka toured Australia all kinds of gross racial abuse was hurled at the Sri Lankan players in particular towards Muttiah Muralitharan. Murali was constantly taunted as a "chucker" by the crowd combined with a whole load of expletives. Also, Darren Lehmann an Australian player yelled out racist remarks as he was getting back to the dressing room during one match. What did Ricky Ponting do? Nothing. He was completely indifferent to the appalling actions of those racist Australian supporters when he should've taken the initiative to condemn that kind of behaviour, and encouraged the fans to take a more civilised approach.
Now his mate Symmo is receiving monkey chants from some sections of the Indian crowd, and little Ponty is out there whinging, whinging and whinging.
Though I feel sorry for Symmo. I met him once in Melbourne and he signed my hat. A really nice bloke. Just unfortunate to be in this kind of situation.
QUOTE(Yuyutsu @ Oct 20 2007, 05:34 PM)
see the comment by one Vidyadhar Akkaraju
Dhanyawaad/Shukriya,Yuyutsu.QUOTE(the_falcon @ Oct 21 2007, 01:19 AM)
mythlore if u get some time,tell this piece of $hit to stay out of india. he is trying to create disunity among indians the same way the british used the divide and rule policy in india.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8j4ozFf1R4
also he uses stupid archaic photos over and over again.
weI'm're appreciative for the link but have a care! Jinn don't take orders from humans..unless The Maker wills it so..and though oMuYr current host is an african-american,contrary to popular belief,all black people don't know each other. Neither wIe nor oMuYr current mount have ever met the man. To even suggest wIe would "know" him without reason,even in jest, is racist. Heh..wIe like that about you. Why do you consider this man rashidi a section of excrement? On the link you provided he said nothing disparaging about india. Also,why do you harbour ill-will toward old pictures?also he uses stupid archaic photos over and over again.
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Oct 21 2007, 01:55 AM)
I remember someone mentioning this Dr. Runoko Rashidi before in AF. Now watching this video I realized that he is some kind of pseudo-intellectual trying to brainwash already ignorant people. He is categorizing ST tribals Dalits in the same category and by showing slides of people what he is trying to prove? I have never heard that much ignorance before in my life.
The entity that mentioned rashidi may have been MusE. wIe must inquire what was "ignorant" about what he said in the aforementioned video?QUOTE(the_falcon @ Oct 21 2007, 05:32 AM)
remember how the british used their fair skin and tried to divide the indians ....... this guy did the opposite he went to a village grabed a couple of dark people and started saying that they were different to the light skin indians in the village ......... then when the police came to resolve the situation he called them aryan supressors and claimed that they were putting down the villagers.if i ever see this bastard again i swear i will shoot him.i dont care wether it is a european , chinese, african if anyone tries to create more disunity among indian people he should be shot.we have a lot of problems in india we dont need more of this bull$hit in our lives.
Apparently,the english and/or the Aryans were very successful. Even to this day most of the films based out of mumbai showcase the actors and actresses that could be mistaken for french,italians or greeks whereas most of the population of india is of far darker hue in comparison. wIe like the fact your willing to commit murder but wIe still would like to now what..exactly..is this rashidi doing that has you so...blood-thirsty. Is he trying to overthrow the indian-government? Is he ridiculing hinduism? Is he telling the "untouchables" that they are worth more than the prevailing society at large would indicate? What is the man's fault? Live Long.
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QUOTE(Yuyutsu @ Oct 20 2007, 04:54 PM)
There is no concept of western racism in India.
QUOTE(Yuyutsu @ Oct 20 2007, 10:55 PM)
Social dynamics in the west are determined by ideological principles, eg the idea of the superiority of certain "races". This is not true in Asia.
Whether the concept of racism exists or not in India and in other Asian countries doesn't matter. That doesn't mean there isn't racism against blacks in Asia; that just means that people don't have a term down for it. And if you don't want to call it racism, call it bigotry.
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Oct 21 2007, 02:13 AM)
I am wondering why people get so touchy on racism shown by non-whites, when for whites it is like a daily habit no one says anything to them.
Because it's expected from them lol.
QUOTE(Mythlore @ Oct 21 2007, 11:21 AM)
most of the films based out of mumbai showcase the actors and actresses that could be mistaken for french,italians or greeks
To be honest, not really. The vast majority of them will never be able to pass as Southern Europeans.
QUOTE(Mythlore @ Oct 21 2007, 09:21 AM)
Dhanyawaad/Shukriya,Yuyutsu.weI'm're appreciative for the link but have a care! Jinn don't take orders from humans..unless The Maker wills it so..and though oMuYr current host is an african-american,contrary to popular belief,all black people don't know each other. Neither wIe nor oMuYr current mount have ever met the man. To even suggest wIe would "know" him without reason,even in jest, is racist. Heh..wIe like that about you. Why do you consider this man rashidi a section of excrement? On the link you provided he said nothing disparaging about india. Also,why do you harbour ill-will toward old pictures?The entity that mentioned rashidi may have been MusE. wIe must inquire what was "ignorant" about what he said in the aforementioned video?Apparently,the english and/or the Aryans were very successful. Even to this day most of the films based out of mumbai showcase the actors and actresses that could be mistaken for french,italians or greeks whereas most of the population of india is of far darker hue in comparison. wIe like the fact your willing to commit murder but wIe still would like to now what..exactly..is this rashidi doing that has you so...blood-thirsty. Is he trying to overthrow the indian-government? Is he ridiculing hinduism? Is he telling the "untouchables" that they are worth more than the prevailing society at large would indicate? What is the man's fault?
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typical afrocentric nonsense ........... u will do anything to put indians down ......... aryan invasion is a myth it never happened ......... jus because u wish that it happened so that u can ridicule indian people and go around claiming them is not going to make it true ..........
this fool runoko is trying to divide indian people who have no phenotypical difference apart from skin colour and u r asking me what is the problem .......... if that is the case i should go to africa and create hatred among different african tribes and watch them kill each other i should make sure that africans hate each other ........ yup thats a good idea ..............
this untouchable nonsense does not exist ......... we have stamped it out .......... stop bothering us these are our people (not the dumb fake 50 year old photos that he shows) and we will educate them not u .......... u r not indian this is NONE of your business ........ if it was me i would shoot runoko on site ......... how dare he try to divide us indians .........
the sad part is that hard working africans who come to india to get an education because it is cheap ........ have to put up with racism ....... because of fools such as runoko who is going around creating hatred in india ..........
im not going to show u dark or fair indians ........ i dont give a damn what u think .......... here is an indian i am proud of and hope for his success ...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEs82ZKn8IQ
is this dark enough for you ?? ................ now get lost ...........
ps: apologies andrew symmonds for the manner in which indian people behaved they should have know better .......
QUOTE(the_falcon @ Oct 22 2007, 04:31 AM)
typical afrocentric nonsense. u will do anything to put indians down. aryan invasion is a myth it never happened. jus because u wish that it happened so that u can ridicule indian people and go around claiming them is not going to make it true.
...Tsk,tsk. Someone break out the midol! "Typical afrocentric nonesense" wIe never even mentioned "africa" or the people therein. All of oMuYr questions..(which you haven't answered)..pretained to india and your reason for objecting to runoko being in contact with some of india's populous. If that now falls under the banner "afrocentrism" then it's definition is expanding like the universe! "Ridicule indians"?! This from someone that thinks because a person is black they "know" all other black people and have the responsibility to pass along all asinine messages concerning passport status!
QUOTE(the_falcon @ Oct 21 2007, 01:19 AM)
mythlore if u get some time tell this piece of $hit to stay out of india.
Where did the insult take place in oMuYr post?!!..Point it out and explain why it's a slight. "Go around claiming them as my own"?!! wIe are not human! wIe are A Jinn! oMuYr species predates you sapiens! wIE have more than enough kin and why would somebody want to "claim" what they "ridicule"?!! Perhaps your ire is stoked at the thought of your having lineage back to africa. Deny and hate all you wish,it's still the truth,not just for you but all humans. For that is where The Maker formed all hominids from stinking mud:1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV6A8oGtPc4
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybji0axp6s0...ted&search=
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M25Ez4HW104...ted&search=
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA3aINMIWMw...ted&search=
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m2-RwYXkWg...ted&search=
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this fool runoko is trying to divide indian people who have no phenotypical difference apart from skin colour and u r asking me what is the problem.
Traditionally,the best way to get an answer is to pose a question. How were wIe to know that you wouldn't be capable or willing to fulfill your end of the verbal contract! "Trying to divide the indian people"?! Are the crowds runoko visited threatening to secede from india and form a "country within a country"??! Provide evidence to substantiate your accusation if your of those who speak the truth..otherwise your views are categorically what they appear to be..(A "kind" word would be:unsubstantiated!)QUOTE
if that is the case i should go to africa and create hatred among different african tribes and watch them kill each other i should make sure that africans hate each other.yup thats a good idea.
Africa is a graveyard. it's just that all the corpses don't have the decency to hurry up and bury themselves and the rest of humanity will follow soon enough..but for now,onward..QUOTE
this untouchable nonsense does not exist. we have stamped it out.stop bothering us these are our people (not the dumb fake 50 year old photos that he shows) and we will educate them not u. u r not indian this is NONE of your business.
If belonging to a group is to be the criteria by which you deem the allowance for someone to participate in a discussion about a certain group then you should abstain from making posts such as #252 in this thread: http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...9348&st=240 or starting topic like this one: http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=131988
Your not african,chinese or white so by your judgment these topics are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
*Point made:check Point thrust into falcon's skull:check Profuse hemorrhaging and screaming by falcon:check..next.*
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if it was me i would shoot runoko on site.how dare he try to divide us indians.
..sounds not dissimilar to the reaction the english initially had when Mohandas Karamchand Ghandi inspired indians to stand up to their oppressive rule. QUOTE
the sad part is that hard working africans who come to india to get an education because it is cheap have to put up with racism because of fools such as runoko who is going around creating hatred in india.
So now you blame this runoko rashidi for bringing the caste system and racism to india.. 
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im not going to show u dark or fair indians.i dont give a damn what u think.here is an indian i am proud of and hope for his success. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEs82ZKn8IQis this dark enough for you ??
Clear case of the early stages of mad cow disease or onset of alzheimer's. You just said you wouldn't show MusE any "dark or fair indians" and that you "don't give a damn what wIe think". wIe like Heroes and wIe like him on the show.QUOTE
now get lost.
heh..wIe have all 3 seasons,burned to disk!Live Long,phallus?
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lol when asked why the indians made a monkey noises toward this dude, they say they were praying to hanuman.
nice excuse.
nice excuse.
Racism sucks. It happens in every nation and should not be tolerated. Good people from all nations need to stand up and denouce it.
QUOTE(Mythlore @ Oct 21 2007, 07:51 PM)
The entity that mentioned rashidi may have been MusE. wIe must inquire what was "ignorant" about what he said in the aforementioned video?
@Mythlore will you agree with me on a very famous saying that "Ignorance is bliss", and this is the diference between you and other Indian posters here as far as knowledge about India is concerned.
Just watch that Runuko Rashidi's video again, he was spelling each Indian word so that the people sitting there could understand, and those people were clapping on anything that Runoko was saying. I am sure that those sitting there must have heard those words for the first time in their lives, they will believe anything Runoko would tell them and will clap on his speech, so Ignorance is Bliss.
Now I will tell you why I equated you with those people. Because you told me to 'inquire' about what Runuko said in that video. Why I need to inquire about such simple things? You will know if someone pronounces your name wrongly, it is that simple for me. So you see.
QUOTE(Mythlore @ Oct 21 2007, 07:51 PM)
Apparently,the english and/or the Aryans were very successful. Even to this day most of the films based out of mumbai showcase the actors and actresses that could be mistaken for french,italians or greeks whereas most of the population of india is of far darker hue in comparison. wIe like the fact your willing to commit murder but wIe still would like to now what..exactly..is this rashidi doing that has you so...blood-thirsty. Is he trying to overthrow the indian-government? Is he ridiculing hinduism? Is he telling the "untouchables" that they are worth more than the prevailing society at large would indicate? What is the man's fault?
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Aryans don't exist, they never existed, they are just hypothetical people. Answering your second assertion let me ask you that have you ever watched a single Bollywood movie in your life before? If yes, which one? If you never watched any Bollywood movie then you shouldn't post that crap in the first place. And please no googling for a name of any Bollywood movie.
The worst mistake that Runoko is committing is that he is trying to prove that same lies that British created when they interpreted Indian society in their own way. Which lead to a great disaster in Indian society, and the wounds of this disaster are still prevellant and they refuse to heal even today.
People in USA and Europe cousider any type of association with Hitler or Nazis as inappropriate. So they also need to be aware of things inappropriate in other countries and cultures.
mythlore you are turning me on with your intelligentsia! you better go boy! 
for everybody else, the untouchables category is STILL in full effect. today, more than 160 million people in india are considered "untouchable." if ya don't believe me, google the topic. class dismissed!
for everybody else, the untouchables category is STILL in full effect. today, more than 160 million people in india are considered "untouchable." if ya don't believe me, google the topic. class dismissed!
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Oct 22 2007, 05:37 PM)
@Mythlore will you agree with me on a very famous saying that "Ignorance is bliss", and this is the diference between you and other Indian posters here as far as knowledge about India is concerned. Just watch that Runuko Rashidi's video again, he was spelling each Indian word so that the people sitting there could understand, and those people were clapping on anything that Runoko was saying. I am sure that those sitting there must have heard those words for the first time in their lives, they will believe anything Runoko would tell them and will clap on his speech, so Ignorance is Bliss. Now I will tell you why I equated you with those people. Because you told me to 'inquire' about what Runuko said in that video. Why I need to inquire about such simple things? You will know if someone pronounces your name wrongly, it is that simple for me. So you see.
Now,this is what weI'm're talking about! Now,wIe got some edification going on "up in here"! Without a doubt,wIe are ignorant about this subject matter. wIe ask to see and falcon wants to try to $hit in The Atrocity's eye...but VAMAN takes a little time to try to bring MusE up to speed. Thank you! You'd VAMAN!...still,here was a small misunderstanding. Here are oMuYr words that your referring to:QUOTE
wIe must inquire what was "ignorant" about what he said in the aforementioned video?
As you can see wIe weren't telling any to inquire what he said but rather wIe were asking what it was runoko said that was ignorant.QUOTE
Aryans don't exist, they never existed, they are just hypothetical people. Answering your second assertion let me ask you that have you ever watched a single Bollywood movie in your life before? If yes, which one? If you never watched any Bollywood movie then you shouldn't post that crap in the first place. And please no googling for a name of any Bollywood movie.
Heh..no googling..cool...Wie don't know if these films were made in mumbai but numbers1,2,3,4 were made in india.The Bandit Queen...with subtitles..
Motherland...with subtitles...
Karma Sutra...with subtitles...
Fire...with subtitles...so-so!
Ghandi...
Now this one wIe know was filmed in america..Mississippi Masala...better than so-so.
The remainder..wIe don't know their names..and to tell the truth,wIe fast forwarded though all the singing to watch sexy women dance in the monsoon rains...no nudity!
oMuYr name is The Atrocity! Singing and dancing is not oMuYr thing...period..most assuredly not in movies..of any language..well,Jesus Christ,Superstar..Fiddler on the Roof..Yentle didn't quite kill MusE..Satuday Night Fever...Footloose reruns...ahhh,hell,you get the point! As for the "aryans,how did this myth begin? Oh and falcon..you forgot Naveen Andrews: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004710/ and Parminder Nagra:http://watt-up.com/j_gallery/Parminder_Nag...nder_Nagra.html
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The worst mistake that Runoko is committing is that he is trying to prove that same lies that British created when they interpreted Indian society in their own way.
And which lies are these..again wIe dont know. QUOTE
Which lead to a great disaster in Indian society, and the wounds of this disaster are still prevellant and they refuse to heal even today.
What are these "wounds and how does their legacy manifest in today's india?QUOTE
People in USA and Europe cousider any type of association with Hitler or Nazis as inappropriate. So they also need to be aware of things inappropriate in other countries and cultures.
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QUOTE(delicia @ Oct 22 2007, 08:01 PM)
for everybody else, the untouchables category is STILL in full effect. today, more than 160 million people in india are considered "untouchable." if ya don't believe me, google the topic. class dismissed!
What does that have to do with this thread?
people dont bother with these two nuts - mythlore and delicia ......... they are just two dumb afrocentric crackpots wanting to claim indians .......... nothing new its been going on for a decade now ...........
LMAO at 160 million ........... hahahahahahaha .......... how is a country supposed to function .......... stupid runoko likes to add a zero at the end to every number he gives out ...............
everyone else dont bother explaining .......... some people are just plain stupid .......... so ignore them .......
LMAO at 160 million ........... hahahahahahaha .......... how is a country supposed to function .......... stupid runoko likes to add a zero at the end to every number he gives out ...............
everyone else dont bother explaining .......... some people are just plain stupid .......... so ignore them .......
the falcon, are you even Indian yourself lol?
QUOTE(the_falcon @ Oct 23 2007, 04:16 PM)
people dont bother with these two nuts - mythlore and delicia,they are just two dumb afrocentric crackpots wanting to claim indians
Again with the "Afrocentric" and the "wanting to claim indians"..as if indians were discarded or lost luggage just piling up at airports terminal baggage claim waiting for the legitimate owners or an clever imposter to come? 
You do have a remarkable ability to hear,read and see what you wish..bet that comes in handy when taking vacations to hawaii in your workplace bathroom stalls during lunchbreaks!QUOTE
LMAO at 160 million ..hahahahahahaha how is a country supposed to function stupid runoko likes to add a zero at the end to every number he gives out
The number of dalit/harijan/scheduled castes were between 55-65 million in the 1960 if that makes the numbers more pleasing to you. What makes you think the number came from runoko?..Oh,nevermind..You finally answered a direct question..witness:QUOTE
some people are just plain stupid. so ignore them
Good,falcon. Admitting you have a problem is the first step toward recovery. As for ignoring you..well..you may starve..you'd keep falling down and hurting yourself,if not for your blindfold..which wIe now remove so you can perhaps glimpse reality! Fetch MusE some pheasent and quail while your at it! 
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QUOTE(delicia @ Oct 23 2007, 04:31 AM)
for everybody else, the untouchables category is STILL in full effect. today, more than 160 million people in india are considered "untouchable." if ya don't believe me, google the topic. class dismissed!
What is the relevance of your post to this thread? You are very ill informed, half knowledge is dangerous you know. Some people think that they have become the greatest intellectuals in the world because they can Google everything.
But you know what are the ill effects of Googling? It gives you only a little information on something. But you need to be knowledgeable enough to add to that little knowledge you got from internet.
QUOTE(Mythlore @ Oct 23 2007, 04:33 AM)
Thank you! You'd VAMAN!...still,here was a small misunderstanding. Here are oMuYr words that your referring to:As you can see wIe weren't telling any to inquire what he said but rather wIe were asking what it was runoko said that was ignorant.
I took out wrong meaning of your post so sorry. Okey then I will explain briefly where Runoko got wrong. I failed to understand why he goes around the world looking for so called black people and try to unite them? Is he some kind of Black supermist of a non-violent type? Why he failed to understand that India is a tropical country? As we go North people get lighter in skin complexion and if we go South people get darker in complexion. And further well to do rich people tend to remain more indoors so they are a shade fairer than people who work out in the fields, labourers or jungle people who are always outside. Tribals in the upper reaches of North India are fairer in complexion. So darker Indians are not similar to Africans and lighter skin Indians are not similar to Europeans. Indians are more identical to each other genetically. That guy is so cunning, Runoko only went to those places where the general population is all dark then he told people that only tribals and untouchables there are black, that is an utter lie, because all the people in those regions are dark. So Runoko need to be made aware of this simple common sense. And yes there was surely some migration from other parts of the world to India but that is another thing.
QUOTE(Mythlore @ Oct 23 2007, 04:33 AM)
Heh..no googling..cool...Wie don't know if these films were made in mumbai but numbers1,2,3,4 were made in india.
The Bandit Queen...with subtitles..
Motherland...with subtitles...
Karma Sutra...with subtitles...
Fire...with subtitles...so-so!
Ghandi...
Now this one wIe know was filmed in america..Mississippi Masala...better than so-so.
The remainder..wIe don't know their names..and to tell the truth,wIe fast forwarded though all the singing to watch sexy women dance in the monsoon rains...no nudity! oMuYr name is The Atrocity! Singing and dancing is not oMuYr thing...period..most assuredly not in movies..of any language..well,Jesus Christ,Superstar..Fiddler on the Roof..Yentle didn't quite kill MusE..Satuday Night Fever...Footloose reruns...ahhh,hell,you get the point!
The Bandit Queen...with subtitles..
Motherland...with subtitles...
Karma Sutra...with subtitles...
Fire...with subtitles...so-so!
Ghandi...
Now this one wIe know was filmed in america..Mississippi Masala...better than so-so.
The remainder..wIe don't know their names..and to tell the truth,wIe fast forwarded though all the singing to watch sexy women dance in the monsoon rains...no nudity!
oMuYr name is The Atrocity! Singing and dancing is not oMuYr thing...period..most assuredly not in movies..of any language..well,Jesus Christ,Superstar..Fiddler on the Roof..Yentle didn't quite kill MusE..Satuday Night Fever...Footloose reruns...ahhh,hell,you get the point! Okey "The Bandit Queen" is a Bollywood movie but all others you mentioned are co-prodcutions involving American studios and many diferent countries. Actors in all these movies do look like typical Indian people. So please tell me, from where you got the impression that Indian actors look more European? I have heard that a lot of times from people of other countries of Indian actors looking Europrean crap so you please explain.
QUOTE(Mythlore @ Oct 23 2007, 04:33 AM)
As for the "aryans,how did this myth begin? And which lies are these..again wIe dont know.What are these "wounds and how does their legacy manifest in today's india?Here,here!
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Aryan myth began when European colonialists came in contact with the Indian Subcontinent. Europeans had direct contacts with North Africa, the Middle East and Persia since ancient times. But never had first-hand experince of this part of the world known as India. So European anthropologists and historians began to interpret things about India in their own way. Thus was born the Aryan Invation theory according to this theory,
India was invaded and conquered by nomadic light-skinned Indo-European tribes around 1500-1000 BC, who defeated an earlier and more advanced dark-skinned Dravidian civilization. Then both got mixed and it later became Hindu culture. British historians also discovered a so-called pre-Aryan civilization called the "Indus valley civilization" as an evidence that there was a civilization of natives before Aryans set foot in India.
When British colonised India, they began to make this theory favourable to their own understanding and need. British society was divided into classes so they interpreted the Indian society in the same format. So the all upper caste Indians, North Indians became Aryans and South Indians became Dravidians. British employed divide & conquer theory to divide the Indian society and make their hold in India more firm. Then a guy named Thomas Macaulay introduced British education in India. Then Indians absorbed all British point of view false or true, good or bad into their mindset.
The result of all this crap bul$hit theory by Europeans have had very bad effect on Indian society. And still people have hatred towards each other since they think that they are different people. Then politicians are good catalysts to increase that divide further for their own political gains.
QUOTE(Mythlore @ Oct 23 2007, 10:32 PM)
Again with the "Afrocentric" and the "wanting to claim indians"..as if indians were discarded or lost luggage just piling up at airports terminal baggage claim waiting for the legitimate owners or an clever imposter to come? You do have a remarkable ability to hear,read and see what you wish..bet that comes in handy when taking vacations to hawaii in your workplace bathroom stalls during lunchbreaks!The number of dalit/harijan/scheduled castes were between 55-65 million in the 1960 if that makes the numbers more pleasing to you. What makes you think the number came from runoko?..Oh,nevermind..You finally answered a direct question..witness:Good,falcon. Admitting you have a problem is the first step toward recovery. As for ignoring you..well..you may starve..you'd keep falling down and hurting yourself,if not for your blindfold..which wIe now remove so you can perhaps glimpse reality! Fetch MusE some pheasent and quail while your at it!
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You do have a remarkable ability to hear,read and see what you wish..bet that comes in handy when taking vacations to hawaii in your workplace bathroom stalls during lunchbreaks!The number of dalit/harijan/scheduled castes were between 55-65 million in the 1960 if that makes the numbers more pleasing to you. What makes you think the number came from runoko?..Oh,nevermind..You finally answered a direct question..witness:Good,falcon. Admitting you have a problem is the first step toward recovery. As for ignoring you..well..you may starve..you'd keep falling down and hurting yourself,if not for your blindfold..which wIe now remove so you can perhaps glimpse reality! Fetch MusE some pheasent and quail while your at it! Live Long?
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dalit can be punjabi nepali gujarati anything .......... dalit means people who are downtrodden and poor, dalit does not equal dark skin ..... if that was the case south indian superstar in hollywood sendhil would be dalit ........ people claim dalit so that they can get handouts from the indian government ....... the number u quoted is as usual bull$hit im not even going to bother with that ......
by the way south indian population is 200 million yet they have made majority contributions to IT, nuclear and aeronautics industry ........ the south is more educated than the north and has been more successful in controling population ......... the population explosion of india is happening in the north and central india where i am from not the south .............
indians remember united we stand ......... divided we fall ........ all indians have the same phenotype caucasoid and we differ only in skin colour ......... dont let these bastard afrocentrics divide us ........
put in a one child policy and start heading towards success ..........
i will make a seperate thread in the other culture section regarding black supremacist attitude and racism .......
i will not reply in this thread anymore ........... vaman i advise you to ignore these crackpots .........
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Oct 24 2007, 07:44 AM)
I took out wrong meaning of your post so sorry. Okey then I will explain briefly where Runoko got wrong. I failed to understand why he goes around the world looking for so called black people and try to unite them? Is he some kind of Black supermist of a non-violent type?
wIe don't believe so. There is only one way to ascertain his motivations. Ask the man himself! wIe found this on the web:Runoko at Runoko@yahoo.com. Visit Runoko's award winning Global African Presence Web Site at http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/runoko.html
Contact Rashidi at RRashidi@swbell.net or call Rashidi at (210) 648-5178. Let's hope these leads are accurate.
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Okey "The Bandit Queen" is a Bollywood movie but all others you mentioned are co-prodcutions involving American studios and many diferent countries. Actors in all these movies do look like typical Indian people. So please tell me, from where you got the impression that Indian actors look more European? I have heard that a lot of times from people of other countries of Indian actors looking Europrean crap so you please explain.
Basically,for the most part,that what it seems like. There was this eatery wIe use to frequent owned by indians. It was small and comfy,so they set up a television/DVD enabling customers and themselves to watch movies from back home. Fridays was "bollywood night." The resturant was always packed. They would have at least 4 movies a day. In every single one of them,were it not for the dress,language and locale depicted in these films all of the featured thespians could pass for europeans with a very slight tint. The owners of this cafe were darker than oMuYrself. Is it possible that outside india only films with light-skinned indians find a market?..you know..indian film makers just give the overseas consumers what they want or do a lot of marketers just want to portray india as a perdominately "light" country?QUOTE(the_falcon @ Oct 24 2007, 08:17 AM)
dalit can be punjabi nepali gujarati anything. dalit means people who are downtrodden and poor, dalit does not equal dark skin.if that was the case south indian superstar in hollywood sendhil would be dalit. people claim dalit so that they can get handouts from the indian government.by the way south indian population is 200 million yet they have made majority contributions to IT, nuclear and aeronautics industry.the south is more educated than the north and has been more successful in controling population. the population explosion of india is happening in the north and central india where i am from not the south.
NOW THIS IS USEFUL INFORMATION! Why could you have not just answered my respectful questions like this earlier??!..but,NO..you assumed wIe were some card-carrying radical!..wIe must point out that wIe never insinuated that "dalit" was to be equated with "dark-skin"..at least not intentionally!QUOTE
i will make a seperate thread in the other culture section regarding black supremacist attitude and racism.
The Atrocity eagerly awaits your thread!Live Long.
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QUOTE(Mythlore @ Oct 26 2007, 02:39 AM)
wIe don't believe so. There is only one way to ascertain his motivations. Ask the man himself! wIe found this on the web:
Runoko at Runoko@yahoo.com. Visit Runoko's award winning Global African Presence Web Site at http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/runoko.html
Contact Rashidi at RRashidi@swbell.net or call Rashidi at (210) 648-5178. Let's hope these leads are accurate.
Runoko at Runoko@yahoo.com. Visit Runoko's award winning Global African Presence Web Site at http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/runoko.html
Contact Rashidi at RRashidi@swbell.net or call Rashidi at (210) 648-5178. Let's hope these leads are accurate.
Why we need to ask that man? I can clearly see that man is a liar. Travelling all over the world trying to unite black people? He desn't even care if his presence and his actions are not in sync with ethos of that place. Does you or anyone supporting him even thought once that why police was after him? What he is upto? Why it gets pollitically incorrect if a white person goes around the world uniting fair skin people? Just open the link you gave, the information regarding India is a complete trash and full of ignorance. I am wondering how he earned his doctorate degree. There is only one difference between White Supremists and Runoko that he says that black people are downtrodden and white supremists says that white people are superior. But the motives behind both of them are the same.
QUOTE(Mythlore @ Oct 26 2007, 02:39 AM)
Basically,for the most part,that what it seems like. There was this eatery wIe use to frequent owned by indians. It was small and comfy,so they set up a television/DVD enabling customers and themselves to watch movies from back home. Fridays was "bollywood night." The resturant was always packed. They would have at least 4 movies a day. In every single one of them,were it not for the dress,language and locale depicted in these films all of the featured thespians could pass for europeans with a very slight tint. The owners of this cafe were darker than oMuYrself. Is it possible that outside india only films with light-skinned indians find a market?..you know..indian film makers just give the overseas consumers what they want or do a lot of marketers just want to portray india as a perdominately "light" country?
Bollywood represents Hindi/Urdu speaking population of India, which essentially is in North India. There are also other regional languages cinemas as well. I have to say, there is a preference for lighter skin but those lighter skinned people are also natives of India. India is a very big country. Just to make you aware if you add pupulations of both North and South Americas it is still very less than the population of India.
I gave a brief explaination in my previous post about fair and dark skinned Indians. India lies in a tropical climate, it is neither near the equator nor near the poles. If you go North, people tend to get light skinned when you move towards the south people get dark in complexion. Also migrations always happened since ancient times due to invasions or natural causes which culminated in mixuture of population. Same culture and religion also tend people to intermingle and marry. So in India we can find fair and dark skinned individuals in the same family, it is very normal in this part of the world.
Just look at Arabs in Africa, Saudi, Iraq, Syria they also have different skin complexions but they all are Arabs right.
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Oct 20 2007, 05:52 AM)
Hello @moviez why you are posting under some other username?
Australia is the most racist country in the world. Australian fans have the dubious dictinction of harrasing foreign players. When Australian players got treatment of their own medicine they are making hue and cry.
Australia is the most racist country in the world. Australian fans have the dubious dictinction of harrasing foreign players. When Australian players got treatment of their own medicine they are making hue and cry.
I'm Australian Sri Lankan and for the most part having lived and stayed here for most my life I say this statement is not true. Yeah sure there are rascists out there I'm not saying there is no rascism but mostly Australians however do make cheeky comments which may or may not be taken wrongly by opposing team members and fans. When Sri Lankans go there Australian fans may often make cheeky comments like 'Murali's the greatest chucker of them all' which I don't believe but its not rascism offcourse Sri Lanka responds by punishing the ball left right and centre and thats when the taunts subside..lol
I think the Sri Lankan team are quite use to the taunts now they sometimes give a bit of cheek back by commenting on Shanes weight. But I think the best was when the then overweight captain Arjuna was still in bat Australian wicket keeper Ian Healy commented to square leg "I believe the only way to get him out is to place a Mars bar in the center of the pitch wait till he leaves the crease" I know I Sri Lankan but by far the most funniest taunt I've heard and rightly so I think he was too unfit and at times up himself.
QUOTE(ACMILAN1983 @ Oct 21 2007, 03:18 AM)
Vaman, I don't think anyone excuses the Australians being racist, but Indians shouldn't retaliate in the same way, two wrongs don't make a right.
Agreed
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