The phenomena that I found in the midst of most Malays’ mind is to stereotyping Indonesia workers as illegal immigrants, trouble makers, criminal performers and many other evil attributes. The moderate thinking that sobriety enough to admit the presence of the mentioning workers as a consequence of MUTUAL RELATIONSHIP is rare to be found.
It is hard to understand that the people definitely failed to sense the wit of supply and demand in economy thesis.
Immigrant workers are normal phenomena in the modern world. The circumstance of Europe work-forced can be a good example, while millions of East-Europe workers are queuing for any chance of vacant job in prosper states at West. Indeed, most of the destination states then having problems by how to provide the proportional opportunity for all, especially when the jobs are so limited. But, in competing world like nowadays, while efficiency is prevailed, surely to hire workers with LESSER WAGES IS THE MUST.
Similar circumstance is also happening to Malaysia. Moreover that the economic system of Malaysia has only a slight difference with a Mercantilist system of economy which the ECONOMY DOES NOT GOVERN BY MARKET BUT POLITIC. Means, the system is high-cost due to additional costs to pay the private and public go-betweens, THE MALAYS. Thus, since the choice is not many for the state’s system of economy, the most effective and efficient effort can be attempted to keep the national growth standstill in high-level IS TO HIRE CHEAP WORKERS.
Other thing, being spoiled by New Economy Policy for decades then the Malays transformed to become fancy. Site-work has long ago not becoming an option for make a living; whilst in fact there is a huge vacant job on site yet to be filled. Thus, economically Malaysians have absolutely no other option than have to recruit the immigrant workers whom cheaper and efficient.
The workers, on their behalf, are worthily to get the appropriate reward by recognizing them AS HUMAN BEING. It is not much, only a simple recognition unto their humble contribution in Malaysia is more than enough surely. What the simple recognition is?
TREATING THEM AS HUMAN BEING THE KIND SUCH YOURSELF.
Regards,
Tito
Full Version: INDONESIA WORKERS; A Supply and Demand Thesis
I hope this writing has manners to match this forum's standard. By that, the expecting goal can be shared properly. Sure, the other opinions that may flourish mine are welcome.
To Moderators, I hope the notion of this writing is not under a ban!
Regards,
Tito
To Moderators, I hope the notion of this writing is not under a ban!
Regards,
Tito
Moving to serious chat.
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(And no, I don't think this is a troll-y post this time so well done.)
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(And no, I don't think this is a troll-y post this time so well done.)
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The phenomena that I found in the midst of most Malays’ mind is to stereotyping Indonesia workers as illegal immigrants, trouble makers, criminal performers and many other evil attributes.
Mostly ARE illegal immigrants, which outnumbers the legal Indonesian migrants going through official channel. Most illegals immigrants also committed crimes, social menaces to Malaysian society. Every average Mamat & Minah in MY will confirm such fact.
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The workers, on their behalf, are worthily to get the appropriate reward by recognizing them AS HUMAN BEING. It is not much, only a simple recognition unto their humble contribution in Malaysia is more than enough surely. What the simple recognition is?
We recognised legal Indonesian workers, not the illegal ones. Nowadays, for cheap labours, there's always the Vietnamese, Myanmarese, Bangladeshis & Pakistanis that eager to replace the overwhelming Indonesian foreign workers quotas in Malaysia.
QUOTE(Protoculture @ Oct 27 2007, 08:27 PM) [snapback]3288230[/snapback]
Most illegals immigrants also committed crimes, social menaces to Malaysian society. Every average Mamat & Minah in MY will confirm such fact.
but based on research by ACP Amar Singh Sidhu on his thesis "THE RISE OF CRIME IN MALAYSIA, An academic and statistical analysis", indicates that malaysian commit more crime than foreigners.
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It is this influx of foreign workers that is perceived by many to
impinge upon public safety and security, as some migrant workers,
particularly the illegal migrants are engaged in criminal activities. The
number of crimes committed by migrants has increased three-fold from
1,333 in 1992 to 3,113 in 2002 (refer to Fig. 12 below). Indonesians, by
virtue of their larger presence committed the most number of crimes (about
62 % of the total crimes committed by foreigners). However, the proportion
of crimes committed by foreigners merely hovers around 2 % of the total
index crimes in Malaysia. On a per capita basis, foreigners on average
commit about 3.8 crimes per 1000 foreign population, whereas Malaysians
committed 5.3 per 1000 population. This goes to show that on a per 1000
basis Malaysians commit more crime than foreigners
impinge upon public safety and security, as some migrant workers,
particularly the illegal migrants are engaged in criminal activities. The
number of crimes committed by migrants has increased three-fold from
1,333 in 1992 to 3,113 in 2002 (refer to Fig. 12 below). Indonesians, by
virtue of their larger presence committed the most number of crimes (about
62 % of the total crimes committed by foreigners). However, the proportion
of crimes committed by foreigners merely hovers around 2 % of the total
index crimes in Malaysia. On a per capita basis, foreigners on average
commit about 3.8 crimes per 1000 foreign population, whereas Malaysians
committed 5.3 per 1000 population. This goes to show that on a per 1000
basis Malaysians commit more crime than foreigners
source: http://mpk.rmp.gov.my/jurnal/2005/riseofcrime.pdf
QUOTE(Protoculture @ Oct 27 2007, 08:30 PM) [snapback]3288230[/snapback]
We recognised legal Indonesian workers, not the illegal ones. Nowadays, for cheap labours, there's always the Vietnamese, Myanmarese, Bangladeshis & Pakistanis that eager to replace the overwhelming Indonesian foreign workers quotas in Malaysia.
as far i know malaysian prefer indonesian workers because they have similar language, generally same religion, and finally they are cheapest labor.
QUOTE(Tie @ Oct 25 2007, 11:13 AM) [snapback]3284743[/snapback]
The phenomena that I found in the midst of most Malays’ mind is to stereotyping Indonesia workers as illegal immigrants, trouble makers, criminal performers and many other evil attributes. The moderate thinking that sobriety enough to admit the presence of the mentioning workers as a consequence of MUTUAL RELATIONSHIP is rare to be found.
It is hard to understand that the people definitely failed to sense the wit of supply and demand in economy thesis.
Immigrant workers are normal phenomena in the modern world. The circumstance of Europe work-forced can be a good example, while millions of East-Europe workers are queuing for any chance of vacant job in prosper states at West. Indeed, most of the destination states then having problems by how to provide the proportional opportunity for all, especially when the jobs are so limited. But, in competing world like nowadays, while efficiency is prevailed, surely to hire workers with LESSER WAGES IS THE MUST.
Similar circumstance is also happening to Malaysia. Moreover that the economic system of Malaysia has only a slight difference with a Mercantilist system of economy which the ECONOMY DOES NOT GOVERN BY MARKET BUT POLITIC. Means, the system is high-cost due to additional costs to pay the private and public go-betweens, THE MALAYS. Thus, since the choice is not many for the state’s system of economy, the most effective and efficient effort can be attempted to keep the national growth standstill in high-level IS TO HIRE CHEAP WORKERS.
Other thing, being spoiled by New Economy Policy for decades then the Malays transformed to become fancy. Site-work has long ago not becoming an option for make a living; whilst in fact there is a huge vacant job on site yet to be filled. Thus, economically Malaysians have absolutely no other option than have to recruit the immigrant workers whom cheaper and efficient.
The workers, on their behalf, are worthily to get the appropriate reward by recognizing them AS HUMAN BEING. It is not much, only a simple recognition unto their humble contribution in Malaysia is more than enough surely. What the simple recognition is?
TREATING THEM AS HUMAN BEING THE KIND SUCH YOURSELF.
Regards,
Tito
It is hard to understand that the people definitely failed to sense the wit of supply and demand in economy thesis.
Immigrant workers are normal phenomena in the modern world. The circumstance of Europe work-forced can be a good example, while millions of East-Europe workers are queuing for any chance of vacant job in prosper states at West. Indeed, most of the destination states then having problems by how to provide the proportional opportunity for all, especially when the jobs are so limited. But, in competing world like nowadays, while efficiency is prevailed, surely to hire workers with LESSER WAGES IS THE MUST.
Similar circumstance is also happening to Malaysia. Moreover that the economic system of Malaysia has only a slight difference with a Mercantilist system of economy which the ECONOMY DOES NOT GOVERN BY MARKET BUT POLITIC. Means, the system is high-cost due to additional costs to pay the private and public go-betweens, THE MALAYS. Thus, since the choice is not many for the state’s system of economy, the most effective and efficient effort can be attempted to keep the national growth standstill in high-level IS TO HIRE CHEAP WORKERS.
Other thing, being spoiled by New Economy Policy for decades then the Malays transformed to become fancy. Site-work has long ago not becoming an option for make a living; whilst in fact there is a huge vacant job on site yet to be filled. Thus, economically Malaysians have absolutely no other option than have to recruit the immigrant workers whom cheaper and efficient.
The workers, on their behalf, are worthily to get the appropriate reward by recognizing them AS HUMAN BEING. It is not much, only a simple recognition unto their humble contribution in Malaysia is more than enough surely. What the simple recognition is?
TREATING THEM AS HUMAN BEING THE KIND SUCH YOURSELF.
Regards,
Tito
well said!
QUOTE(padjadjaran @ Oct 27 2007, 06:01 PM) [snapback]3288348[/snapback]
but based on research by ACP Amar Singh Sidhu on his thesis "THE RISE OF CRIME IN MALAYSIA, An academic and statistical analysis", indicates that malaysian commit more crime than foreigners.
Maybe so.
Immigrants are not seen as having "entitlement" though and as such, they are held to a much higher standard than the general population. So even if relatively-speaking, immigrants commit less crime than the natives, if this rate is still of a certain amount, then they will have an unfair portion of blame attributed to them.
QUOTE(Jaimu-Jaimu @ Oct 28 2007, 06:09 PM) [snapback]3289489[/snapback]
Maybe so.
Immigrants are not seen as having "entitlement" though and as such, they are held to a much higher standard than the general population. So even if relatively-speaking, immigrants commit less crime than the natives, if this rate is still of a certain amount, then they will have an unfair portion of blame attributed to them.
Immigrants are not seen as having "entitlement" though and as such, they are held to a much higher standard than the general population. So even if relatively-speaking, immigrants commit less crime than the natives, if this rate is still of a certain amount, then they will have an unfair portion of blame attributed to them.
In Singapore, you are NOT allowed to employ workers from Indonesia with the exception of maid. Only professional or educated workers are allowed. Those who wish to work under work permit scheme is not allowed
Only those with at least S pass (from S$1.8k basic) and Employment Pass holders (from S$2.5k basic) are allowed.
what does this tells you??
QUOTE(ricochet @ Oct 28 2007, 04:30 PM) [snapback]3289694[/snapback]
In Singapore, you are NOT allowed to employ workers from Indonesia with the exception of maid. Only professional or educated workers are allowed. Those who wish to work under work permit scheme is not allowed
...and that's a policy exclusive to Indonesians?
QUOTE(Jaimu-Jaimu @ Oct 29 2007, 03:59 PM) [snapback]3291144[/snapback]
...and that's a policy exclusive to Indonesians?
No. Previously we get workers from India, Bangladesh, Thailand, Myanmar, Indonesia, Philippines, China, etc
These days, we can only recruit those from India and China. According to my recruitment agency, the skill evaluation centre in these countries was closed by the govt.
However, for educated and professionals, the policy is still open to all.
Its not easy to employ general workers here in singapore. U need to show some contracts of at least S$0.5 million with a minimum duration of 6 months before you are qualified to recruit them. These days the law is very strict. You need to make sure you provide them with neccessary accomodation and transportation.
My company went to Chennai twice last year to recruit directly with the source, conduct interview and skill evaluation test. We employed 200 of them for our Shell ECC Houdini project at Bukom Island which commenced in Dec this year
QUOTE(ricochet @ Oct 29 2007, 04:43 AM) [snapback]3291180[/snapback]
These days, we can only recruit those from India and China. According to my recruitment agency, the skill evaluation centre in these countries was closed by the govt.
I suspect that was not the only reasons of the policy behind all this foreign worker regulations.
Did "managing the racial balance" ring a bell to you....?
There was the reason behind the demographic management.
Singapore govt didn't want Indonesian, whom easily fit into "Malay" in racial categorization overwhelmed the country. If Indonesian influx is not well controlled, within several decades Singapore would be Tumasik again.....
, Chinese and Indian would be minority. And what do you know...., certain Singaporean elite whom enjoy previlege all this time would lose their control over the island country.
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but based on research by ACP Amar Singh Sidhu on his thesis "THE RISE OF CRIME IN MALAYSIA, An academic and statistical analysis", indicates that malaysian commit more crime than foreigners.
Yet with the addition of illegal immigrants resorting to crimes are abating the problem. The illegals themselves commit a crime, by illegally entering Malaysia.
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as far i know malaysian prefer indonesian workers because they have similar language, generally same religion, and finally they are cheapest labor.
Immigration policies changes when new Government is being set up. If the Indo Govt. wishes to antagonise Msian Govt over petty issues & our flags continued getting burned in your streets, expect a tougher stance in immigration policies regarding Indo immigrants, & the rise of Myanmarese, Pakistanis & Bangladeshis.
Indeed, other immigrants from those nations has steadily increasing in other sectors, supplanting Indo workers.
QUOTE(Protoculture @ Nov 1 2007, 04:15 AM) [snapback]3294335[/snapback]
Immigration policies changes when new Government is being set up. If the Indo Govt. wishes to antagonise Msian Govt over petty issues & our flags continued getting burned in your streets, expect a tougher stance in immigration policies regarding Indo immigrants, & the rise of Myanmarese, Pakistanis & Bangladeshis.
Indeed, other immigrants from those nations has steadily increasing in other sectors, supplanting Indo workers.
Indeed, other immigrants from those nations has steadily increasing in other sectors, supplanting Indo workers.
Indonesian government is not succumbing to Malaysian government's threat because they know very well that Malaysia just cannot survive without Indonesian labours. Two sectors of the economy which greatly depend on labours from Indonesia are construction and plantation. These two sectors will come to a stand still without Indonesian labours eventhough labours from other countries are allowed to join them. Remember a couple of years back when Malaysian banned new intake of Indonesian workers, most constructions projects then were completely paralyzed. The same thing happened to the plantation sector especially palm oil plantations. These two sectors involved working hard labour and in very unfavorable working condition. Labours from other countries just cannot tolerate these kind of works and even if they do, they are not as good as the Indonesians.
In short, Malaysia and Indonesian need to regulate the migration of the workers in a proper way. Malaysia needs Indonesia to supply Indonesian labour and at the same time Indonesian needs Malaysia to provide employment to their nationals.
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In short, Malaysia and Indonesian need to regulate the migration of the workers in a proper way. Malaysia needs Indonesia to supply Indonesian labour and at the same time Indonesian needs Malaysia to provide employment to their nationals.
We can protect the legal Indonesian migrants rights, but we can't say the same of illegal Indo migrants. They lose their rigts when they choose to enter Malaysia illegally.
Now, you know who you are ..... Hahahaha .... 
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Media Malaysia Cenderung Negatif Pada Pekerja Asing
Kuala Lumpur (ANTARA News) - Media Malaysia cenderung negatif terhadap para pekerja asing karena telah dikuasai parpol berkuasa dan lemahnya jurnalistik investigasi, kata Guru Besar Komunikasi dan Kajian Media Massa di Universiti Teknologi MARA Malaysia, Profesor Dr Kiranjit Kaur.
Hal itu dikemukakan Kiranjit setelah melakukan analisis berita pada empat koran dan satu media online selama enam minggu, 1 Juni hingga 15 Juli 2007, dalam seminar "Current Issues and Problems of Trans-National Migration in Malaysia: A Multi-Disclipinary Perspective," yang diselenggarakan Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia, (UKM), Rabu.
Media Massa Malaysia lebih banyak memberitakan tindak kriminalitas yang dilakukan pekerja asing, keuntungan pekerja asing. Setelah itu kekerasan kepada pekerja asing, dibandingkan dengan minimnya berita mengenai keselamatan kerja, dan kekerasan yang dilakukan majikan.
"Koran yang paling banyak menyoroti mengenai kriminalitas pekerja asing adalah Utusan Malaysia," kata Kiranjit Kaur, yang menganalisis harian Utusan Malaysia, Berita Harian, The Star, New Strait Times, dan Bernama Online.
Media lebih banyak melihat bahwa pekerja asing mencari makan di Malaysia, padahal kerajaan Malaysia dan para pengusaha, atau investor asing menerima keuntungan yang tidak sedikit.
Dicontohkan, pekerja asing (migran) belum menerima gaji, tetapi kerajaan Malaysia sudah menerima levy (pajak pekerja asing).
"Pekerja migran belum lagi dapat menerima gaji, melunasi utangnya, namun kerajaan Malaysia sudah menerima pemasukan," ujar dia.
Ia juga menyoroti banjirnya pekerja migran di Malaysia disebabkan karena strategi industrialisasi yang dimulai sejak 1980-an, meningkatnya wanita pekerja dan pekerja Malaysia sendiri tidak mau bekerja di bidang yang dikenal sebagai 3 D, dirty (kotor), dangerous (bahaya), dan difficult (sulit).
"Hal-hal ini yang kurang disorot oleh media. Cenderung menyalahkan pekerja asing," tambah dia.
Pola pemberitaan media Malaysia sangat terkait dengan partai politik yang berkuasa. Ditambah lagi, regulator media massa adalah Kementerian Keselamatan Dalam Negeri (KKDN) yang juga membawahi bidang keimigrasian, sehingga sering tampak media massa menjadi corong dari kepentingan politik dalam menghadapi isu banjirnya pekerja asing
http://www.antara.co.id/arc/2007/11/...pekerja-asing/
Kuala Lumpur (ANTARA News) - Media Malaysia cenderung negatif terhadap para pekerja asing karena telah dikuasai parpol berkuasa dan lemahnya jurnalistik investigasi, kata Guru Besar Komunikasi dan Kajian Media Massa di Universiti Teknologi MARA Malaysia, Profesor Dr Kiranjit Kaur.
Hal itu dikemukakan Kiranjit setelah melakukan analisis berita pada empat koran dan satu media online selama enam minggu, 1 Juni hingga 15 Juli 2007, dalam seminar "Current Issues and Problems of Trans-National Migration in Malaysia: A Multi-Disclipinary Perspective," yang diselenggarakan Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia, (UKM), Rabu.
Media Massa Malaysia lebih banyak memberitakan tindak kriminalitas yang dilakukan pekerja asing, keuntungan pekerja asing. Setelah itu kekerasan kepada pekerja asing, dibandingkan dengan minimnya berita mengenai keselamatan kerja, dan kekerasan yang dilakukan majikan.
"Koran yang paling banyak menyoroti mengenai kriminalitas pekerja asing adalah Utusan Malaysia," kata Kiranjit Kaur, yang menganalisis harian Utusan Malaysia, Berita Harian, The Star, New Strait Times, dan Bernama Online.
Media lebih banyak melihat bahwa pekerja asing mencari makan di Malaysia, padahal kerajaan Malaysia dan para pengusaha, atau investor asing menerima keuntungan yang tidak sedikit.
Dicontohkan, pekerja asing (migran) belum menerima gaji, tetapi kerajaan Malaysia sudah menerima levy (pajak pekerja asing).
"Pekerja migran belum lagi dapat menerima gaji, melunasi utangnya, namun kerajaan Malaysia sudah menerima pemasukan," ujar dia.
Ia juga menyoroti banjirnya pekerja migran di Malaysia disebabkan karena strategi industrialisasi yang dimulai sejak 1980-an, meningkatnya wanita pekerja dan pekerja Malaysia sendiri tidak mau bekerja di bidang yang dikenal sebagai 3 D, dirty (kotor), dangerous (bahaya), dan difficult (sulit).
"Hal-hal ini yang kurang disorot oleh media. Cenderung menyalahkan pekerja asing," tambah dia.
Pola pemberitaan media Malaysia sangat terkait dengan partai politik yang berkuasa. Ditambah lagi, regulator media massa adalah Kementerian Keselamatan Dalam Negeri (KKDN) yang juga membawahi bidang keimigrasian, sehingga sering tampak media massa menjadi corong dari kepentingan politik dalam menghadapi isu banjirnya pekerja asing
http://www.antara.co.id/arc/2007/11/...pekerja-asing/
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