So how do you feel about it? (speaking to both occultists and Christians etc on the board).

If in Scientology you have Tom Cruise then in Kaballah you have Madonna.

So how do you feel about it? (speaking to both occultists and Christians etc on the board).

So how do you feel about it? (speaking to both occultists and Christians etc on the board).

What about the Jewish people? Did you think to ask them?

.. Honestly, sounds very bad. The idea that you can "control" demons? Even Kaballists think this whole matter is dangerous, since demons DON'T want to be controlled.

I don't really know anything about Kaballah. I do know the pop star Modanna is into it - or at least her own version of it. But I would suspect I'd like Kaballah mysticism more than I like Modanna.

I heard Kahbahlah is a mixture of all religions and beliefs combined together, like christianity and buddism etc, its interesting from what little I heard about it.I read it in a womans magazine that its religions combined together.And they wear a red peice of yarn or string on there wrist as a simbol of there belief.Id definately go Kahbahlah if I werent just christian, its cool, but nah.I might be a little kahbahlah myself:)but I lean more toward christian.

But is the Kabbalah of the stars the same Kabbalah that Jewish men in Israel have been quietly studying for centuries?
In cryptic and mystical terms, Kabbalah explores the nature of God and the universe. Rabbis have traditionally believed the philosophy behind it is so complicated that it could only be taught to ultra-religious Jewish men over 40 who had spent their lives studying Judaism.

Notice too, if they were really 'in touch' with Yahveh, there would be no need to 'hasten the advent of Messiah', as they would declare that Yeshua came and will come again. So who is it that they are 'in touch' with?

'Jewish religion is in principle opposed to magic because the ultimate source of everything is the absolutely free and sovereign will of God which can never be coerced. The only proper attitude is therefore prayer...'8

Sorcery and magic are prohibited by the Bible (Exod. 22:17) but the Talmud, while proscribing the practice as heathenish, admits its efficacy. Members of the Sanhedrin were supposed to have had a thorough knowledge of magic and sorcery, and legends are told of rabbis using 'white' magic. Healing by magic is condemned only when specifically pagan or idolatrous. The magic of names (Divine names, Tetragrammaton, names of angels, permutations and combinations of Hebrew letters or scriptural quotations), whether in amulets or spoken formulas, flourished at all times but particularly under the influence of Kabbalah... Some scholars believe that the tephillin and mezuzah originated as amulets.'9

8. The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, p. 619. Listed under 'magic'.
9. Ibid.

Ther are quite a number of Jews who practice the Kaballa. I have spoken to some over the net and briefly met some in person. Orthodox Jews supplement the Torah with the Kabbala and consider it to be the esoteric aspect of it.

Hear, O Israel, Adonai Eloheinu Adonai is one. These three are one. How can the three Names be one? Only through the perception of faith; in the vision of the Holy Spirit, in the beholding of the hidden eye alone.…So it is with the mystery of the threefold Divine manifestations designated by Adonai Eloheinu Adonai—three modes which yet form one unity.

Is the Kaballa about controlling demons? I think alot of Kabalist would differ on opinions about that. I think you have some misconception about the Kaballa and Kaballists.
Quite a number of Kaballist believe the Kaballa was secretly given to man to 'reedem' (for lack of a better word) themselves befor the fall.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Additional Information

What is Cabbalism?
Cabbala, Kaballah, Quabalah, and Qabal are all reference of what is commonly referred to as "Jewish (Gnostic) Mysticism." Jews believe that the Hebrew Moseretic Version of the Torah was written by God [Tetragrammaton] himself, prior to the creation. They believe that when Moses went to the top of Mt. Sinai, God gave Him the written Torah as well as oral instructions for Cabbalism. The primary written document concerning Cabbalism is the Zohar, which is contained in the Jewish Talmud. Kaballah texts are only written in their original Hebrew, so non-Jews hopefully cannot read them.
Jews believe that King Solomon was the first great Cabbalist who developed rituals for controlling Demonic and angelic forces. Jewish Cabbalists believe that there are 33 (Masonic) steps to attaining spiritual perfection. Through disciplined study of Cabbalism, Jews believe that they may eventually see God and become his intellectual equal. In the Jewish Talmud, a famous Cabbalistic Rabbi debates God, where God admits the Rabbi has beaten Him (YHWH, God)! Jews also believe that through Cabbalism, they can perform the miracles of Jesus Christ. In this fashion, they can themselves become individual Christs (their own Messiah) through spiritual "perfection?"

R Novosel

Although scholars have attempted to trace the Star of David back to King David himself; to Rabbi Akiva and the Bar Kokhba ("son of the star") rebellion (135 C.E.); or to kabbalists, especially Rabbi Isaac Luria (16th century), no Jewish literature or artifacts document this claim. Rather, all evidence suggests that the early use of the hexagram was limited to "practical Kabbalah," that is, Jewish magic, probably dating back to the 6th century C.E. Legends connect this symbol with the "Seal of Solomon," the magical signet ring used by King Solomon to control demons and spirits. Although the original ring was inscribed with the Tetragrammaton, the sacred Four-Letter Name of God, medieval amulets imitating this ring substituted the hexagram or pentagram (five-pointed stare), often accompanied by rampant lions, for the sacred Name. The star inscribed on these rings was usually called the Seal of Solomon."

The rabbinic authority of Judaism wouldn't want you to because you're not Jewish man. I base this claim on factual evidence provided by Kabbalistic literature. You really should research a religion more before thinking that a religion is right for you.

source:What's Behind Hollywood's Fascination with Kabbalah?

Anyone who says that this is a mix of religions is a liar. There may have been some influences of other religions in Kabbalah, and the Kabbalah shares similarities in the nature of God with Zoarasterism and Christianity. However, it is strictly Hebrew in nature.
Kabbalah is religious philosophy concerning Judaism.

The institute that taught Madonna the ways in which those with the blood of Abraham could control demonic forces is not even condoned by the rabbinic leadership as this institute is very adament about getting Gentile converts. Even though, the tenents of Kabbalism, from the book of Zohar, states that non-Jews emenate from the left-side (left side spirituality and religion is often described as Satanic where as worship in God is seen as right-handed) of the Seifirotic structure and thus are inherently demonic. The Tanya elaborates, stating the the Jewish soul has a higher level of spirtuality that the human soul does not possess.

"The heathen [or otherwise known as the Gentile] nochri, or goi, was not considered to be on the same moral or social-cultural level of the Jew, and he was thought to live an animal-like existence." The dealings between Jews is to conducted through moral and religious demands. However, the gentile, being heathen, does not apply to the same standards when dealing with a Jew. The same set of morals and principles that stem from the Torah do not apply to non-Jews and Jews only have to deal with gentiles so long as not to stir up "emnity". source: The Jews: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices By Alan Unterman, page 213.
The reason for this belief in the gentile not having to be treated with the same moral respect as a Jew would, has to do with the "animal soul" of the gentile and his inability to understand God like those of Jewish blood do. "Judah Halvei argues in his Kuzari that Isreal differs totaly in its spiritual make-up than other peoples. Each individual Jew posses the capacity which alone enables man to know the mind and will of God. Even the prostelyte [convert] does not acquire the capacity when he becomes a Jew." The Jews: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices By Alan Unterman page 213.

However, this Jewish-supremacist view does not originate from the teachings of the Old Testament, who really differentiates Jews from Gentiles in practice and ancestry as oppossed to their soul. "There, unlike the Talmud it is not the practices of the gentile that is at issue, but the very difference in essence between the Jew and gentile. The goi belong to the kabbalistic sub-world of the demonic. He possesses a lower-order soul than the Jew, who at least has the potential to reach the divine... The goi was the tainted child of a woman's carnal relationship with the serpent [devil], the symbol of demonic powers. Since the gentile had not undergone the cleansing experience of the revelation of God's Torah, he remained half-human and half-demon." <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=y3--5jTheDUC&pg=PA214&lpg=PA214&dq=kabbalah+gentiles+demonic&source=web&ots=u3p1GrvQ_p&sig=zQm5NYwpjNQyeHbC9q6q1ZkzIq4#PPA214,M1" target="_blank">The Jews: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices By Alan Unterman, page 214.
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In spite of this pro-Jewish nature of the Jewish-supremist racist rehtoric of the Kabbalah, it is is NOT reflective of the teachings of the Old Testament. As the Bible states that the Isrealites found favor with God for the behavior or their ancestors and was chosen by God to carry His Word until the coming of the Messiah. Yet, the Old Testament doesn't claim that Jewish soul was superior to that of the gentile soul. God's negative feelings towards the enemies of the Jews in the time of the Old Testament were for their wicked practicies (child sacrifice, idol worship, etc.) not so much for them not being born of Jewish blood.

The halakhah does indicate that Jewish converts are still seen as Jews, thus putting the Kabbalah's claims that gentiles are incapable of knowing God as a Jew to lie. However, to prevent Kabbalism from collapsing altogether while still maintaining its claim to Jewish authority, the Zohar explains this as stating that "convert is presented with a new soul from heaven, albeit one inferior to that possessed by Jews." Also, some believed that perhaps the gentiles who did convert into Judaism were always of Jewish blood to begin with, and were lost amongst the gentiles probably through the forced baptism of a Jewish ancestor.

The Kabbalah states that Jews, because their souls emenate from God, are thus God themselves to some extent. "The divine soul is rooted in God, or is in some sense a part of God. The gentile not only lacks a divine soul, his animal soul stems from the lower levels of the demonic than the Jew. (page 215. bold on word "animal" added after publication).

The view that is posited by the Kabbalah, that gentiles are spiritually inferior as they are merely animals and demonic in nature, has probably helped shape the view that some Jews in the Jewish community have about non-Jews. Many Jews believe that inspite of the fact that Christians have begun to defend the Jewish people, the animal-like Gentile demons would never "take of the cudgels for the Jews' behalf." They are highly suspicious of the goi's ability to take out anti-Semitism in his culture. Thus, giving grounds for the basis of Jewish nationalism, and the sovereignity of the Isreal to exist as a state. (page 216)
Although, the West defends the sovereignity of Isreal, some Jews of the Kabbalistic view ascertain that the actions of Christians was not for the benefit of the Jewish people as there was more that they could've done to protect Isreal. The Allied forces of WW2 were seen by Kabbalists as still anti-Jewish in nature, as they believed that Allies' failed attempt in launching an air-raid against Auschwitz shows their "lukewarm" feelings concerning Hitler's persecution of the Jews. (page 216.)

I personally wouldn't want to get into a religion like this, simply because its origins are not that of the Bible and states that only Jews are morally capable of knowing God, and that all Gentiles are animal-demons. There's also the issue of mysticism, that stems from Kabbalah. The Old Testament, such as in Deutoronomy and book of Exodus, ban the use of magic in the followers of God.

source:http://www.seedofabraham.net/kabbalah.html

However, Kabbalists still practice the mysticism of Kabbalah. I don't think that Jews, if they were true Jews, should practice a mysticism when the practice of magic is forbidden in the Torah. I think this behavior of mysticism is similar to when God was angered at the people of Judah for practicing paganism and had them conquered by the Babylonian empire.

This isn't like the teachings of Christianity in that God loves everyone equally, regardless of birth, and that no one is inherently better spirtually than anyone else. The New Testament states that the Jewish people's purpose was to protect the word of God until the coming of the Christ, and that all humans are sinful in nature and thus are inherently evil. No one is like that of God, to have the kind of arrogancy that one is like God, is Satanic in nature. Instead, all have come short of the glory of God and that the only way to salvation is through Jesus Christ our Savior.
Yes, it's origins are that of Hebrew apocraphyl. However, it's origins are not that of the Old Testament and are heretical in nature. The reason why Kabbalism seems similar to other religions such as Buddhism and Zoarasterism is because its a new concept in which Jewish men tried to practice paganistic mysticism while still claiming that their teachings were of Judaic authority.

This false supplement of the Jewish religion, is the cause of much of Jewish arrogance and feelings of Jewish superiority. God may have chosen them to protect His Word, but no where in the Old Testament does it say that Jews are born with a divine soul and that gentiles are born with animal souls. This kind of rhetoric preaches hate and Jewish nationalism from within the Jewish community. The Kabballah is immoral in that it views Jews getting special treatment from other Jews as Jews are obligated to act morally with other Jews but are not with heathens.

However, there is one aspect of Kabbalism that I found interesting, it's their belief in the Trinity. So many places in the original writing of the Old Testament God describes Himself in plural. The rabbis have not been able to offer an explination, but the Zohar explains this occurrence by reporting the composition of God as being that of a Trinity.

source:http://www.appleofhiseye.org/Whatdoyouthin...09/Default.aspx

Well, I don't think I have a misconception, although I don't practice it. I base it on things I know. One of the teachings of the Kabbalah is the control of demons. As the quote I brought up earlier to Sisi says, it is believed by Kabbalists that one can control demons to bend to their will, since God's power cannot be bent to the will of men. However, the Old Testament prohibits the use of magic, and mandates that faithful followers of God use prayer instead. Yet, the Kabbalists (similar to how Lucifer refused to obey God and wanted power for himself) see the use of demons as a way of gaining power for themselves, in spite of their belief that Solomon went mad because of the demons.

Kabbalists believe that King Solomon's wisdom included the knowledge to control demons. That is the mystical aspect of the theosophy known as Kabballah, in which middle-aged Jewish men who are righteous and know the Hebrew Bible well, can control the demonic forces of the world. source:http://mb-soft.com/believe/txo/kabbalah.htm
source:http://www.bibletopics.com/BibleStudy/12.htm

The rabbinic authority of Judaism wouldn't want you to because you're not Jewish man. I base this claim on factual evidence provided by Kabbalistic literature. You really should research a religion more before thinking that a religion is right for you.

Anyone who says that this is a mix of religions is a liar. There may have been some influences of other religions in Kabbalah, and the Kabbalah shares similarities in the nature of God with Zoarasterism and Christianity. However, it is strictly Hebrew in nature.
Kabbalah is religious philosophy concerning Judaism.

The institute that taught Madonna the ways in which those with the blood of Abraham could control demonic forces is not even condoned by the rabbinic leadership as this institute is very adament about getting Gentile converts.

Even though, the tenents of Kabbalism, from the book of Zohar, states that non-Jews emenate from the left-side (left side spirituality and religion is often described as Satanic where as worship in God is seen as right-handed) of the Seifirotic structure and thus are inherently demonic. The Tanya elaborates, stating the the Jewish soul has a higher level of spirtuality that the human soul does not possess.

In spite of this pro-Jewish nature of the Jewish-supremist racist rehtoric of the Kabbalah, it is is NOT reflective of the teachings of the Old Testament.

I personally wouldn't want to get into a religion like this, simply because its origins are not that of the Bible and states that only Jews are morally capable of knowing God, and that all Gentiles are animal-demons.

The Old Testament, such as in Deutoronomy and book of Exodus, ban the use of magic in the followers of God.
source:http://www.seedofabraham.net/kabbalah.html
However, Kabbalists still practice the mysticism of Kabbalah. I don't think that Jews, if they were true Jews, should practice a mysticism when the practice of magic is forbidden in the Torah. I think this behavior of mysticism is similar to when God was angered at the people of Judah for practicing paganism and had them conquered by the Babylonian empire.

Well, I don't think I have a misconception, although I don't practice it. I base it on things I know. One of the teachings of the Kabbalah is the control of demons. As the quote I brought up earlier to Sisi says, it is believed by Kabbalists that one can control demons to bend to their will, since God's power cannot be bent to the will of men. However, the Old Testament prohibits the use of magic, and mandates that faithful followers of God use prayer instead. Yet, the Kabbalists (similar to how Lucifer refused to obey God and wanted power for himself) see the use of demons as a way of gaining power for themselves, in spite of their belief that Solomon went mad because of the demons.

What about the Jewish people? Did you think to ask them? Honestly, sounds very bad. The idea that you can "control" demons? Even Kaballists think this whole matter is dangerous, since demons DON'T want to be controlled.

Kaballists believe that you have to be middle aged and know the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible) very well. And, even then you might fail and demons could end up controlling and destroying you. The Kaballists believe that was King Solomon's fate. The Old Testament seems to state that because Solomon allowed his wives to bring their foreign gods to Isreal and build temples for them, that God punished Solomon. But, the Kabalits think that Solomon ended up being destroyed by the demons who he was controlling.

That sounds scary, and if Kabalah is real, like you believe in this, then you definitely should stay away from it. You're talking about trying to control things that DON'T experience the same limits that you do as a physical being.

Christians don't believe in mysticism per say, but their version of mysticism is the power of the Holy Spirit. It's the power that Jesus used to perform His miracles on Earth. According to the Bible, we could do the same things, like walk on water, heal physical and mental diseases, and cast out demons (Bible seems to make a differentiation between demon posession and insanity). But, all of this stems from Faith in God.

The Jewish religious leaders of the time, tried to accuse Jesus' power to be the result of demons. Although, Kabalists think this is okay, Jesus was angered and said anyone accussing the power of the Holy Spirit to be of the Devil is an unforgivable sin. The Holy Spirit isn't evil like the power of Demons, but is the power of good here on earth.

Also, the Holy Spirit isn't something that you can simply will. God is all powerful, but He isn't a genie and use of the Holy Spirit can only happen for benevolent purposes. Basically, use of the Holy Spirit is just a form of communication between God and you as well as being God itself. It doesn't work when you're selfish, or sinful. Loss of ego is important in worshipping God.

If Kabalah actually works, one can imagine that if EVER you lost any selfless reverence for God, then the demons who COULDN'T hurt you before due to your faith in God will find an opening in which they can enter this world and devour your soul in the process.

I heard Kahbahlah is a mixture of all religions and beliefs combined together, like christianity and buddism etc, its interesting from what little I heard about it.I read it in a womans magazine that its religions combined together.And they wear a red peice of yarn or string on there wrist as a simbol of there belief.Id definately go Kahbahlah if I werent just christian, its cool, but nah.I might be a little kahbahlah myself:)but I lean more toward christian.

Ther are quite a number of Jews who practice the Kaballa. I have spoken to some over the net and briefly met some in person. Orthodox Jews supplement the Torah with the Kabbala and consider it to be the esoteric aspect of it.
Is the Kaballa about controlling demons? I think alot of Kabalist would differ on opinions about that. I think you have some misconception about the Kaballa and Kaballists.
Quite a number of Kaballist believe the Kaballa was secretly given to man to 'reedem' (for lack of a better word) themselves befor the fall.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."