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pancaindera
Indonesia's blend of democracy and Islam wins award

Mark Forbes, Bali
November 13, 2007

INDONESIA has been hailed for proving that Islam and democracy can co-exist by establishing and maintaining the only functioning democracy in South-East Asia.

Indonesia's people and President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono were yesterday awarded the Democracy Medal by the International Association of Political Consultants. Before delegates in Bali and most of his cabinet, Dr Yudhoyono said Indonesia had transformed itself in less than a decade and would never return to repression.

Although sceptics had claimed Indonesia would splinter or radicalise, "the heart and soul of Indonesia remains moderate and progressive", Dr Yudhoyono said. "In Indonesia democracy, Islam and modernity go hand in hand.

"Democracy in Indonesia has reached a point of no return," said the nation's first directly elected president.

The president of the association, Ben Goddard, said: "Indonesia is a shining example of hope". The most populous Muslim nation had demonstrated that Islamic values were compatible with democracy, he said.

The association's Asian head, Pri Sulisto, said Indonesia's success in implementing democracy "serves as an example for Asian countries, most of which are still ruled by iron-fist regimes".

Political scientist and author Kevin Evans said Indonesia was, along with India, the only truly functional democracy in Asia.

The award highlighted the significant progress made since the dictator Soeharto was forced to resign in 1998, Mr Evans said.

Now, for the first time, every politician is directly elected, he said. "The nation is also passing the terrorism test without winding back human rights and free speech."

The Indonesian people, through demonstrations, brought about the collapse of the Soeharto regime and in 2004 Indonesia held the largest single-day election in the world, Mr Goddard said.

From being ruled by corrupt elites, the "pyramid of power" had been "turned upside down" by bringing democracy to the people, Dr Yudhoyono said. "Indonesia has proved that no matter the size of the population, the difficult geography, ethnic diversity political complexity or historical background, democracy can come and grow."

It is the first time in 25 years the award from political consultants and advisers across the globe has been granted to a nation. Previous recipients include Nelson Mandela and Aung San Suu Kyi.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/indone...4766587447.html
tangawizi
Congratz Indonesia!!!!! beerchug.gif beerchug.gif beerchug.gif beerchug.gif

We should have a party to celebrate! biggthumpup.gif biggthumpup.gif biggthumpup.gif biggthumpup.gif
materialgurl
Congratulation Indonesia! biggthumpup.gif
XxRyoChanxX
that's GOOD NEWS!!!! icon_smile.gif
Bhaskara
Yaay!! Even though our road to democracy hasn't been smooth, we still get through it albeit painstakingly. It's about time that others noticing it too!!
beerchug.gif
Let's celebrate, my sisters and brothers! party.gif
furansizuka
Congrats Indonesia!!! wooohoooo!! yahoo.gif party.gif
Majapahitans
Indonesian democratization was the "blessing in disguise" from 1997 Asian Financial Crisis.
This crisis leads to the fall of Suharto's regime.
What would happen if the crisis didn't take place? Indonesia will be "a little bit" more prosperous, but only can "dream" about democracy. -
Ever think that way guys..? icon_neutral.gif

Although far from perfect, and need lots of work to do, I think many of "misfortune" and "disaster" that happened to Indonesia somehow bring "better" condition and better understanding to our country and lead us to the right track:

1997 financial crisis ------> fall of Suharto and Democratization of Indonesia

Seccession of East Timor------> Despite lost the strategic value of East Timor, and region control, The seccession leads to Indonesian provinces demands of larger share of autonomy, thus gave birth of Indonesian commitment to OTDA (Otonomi Daerah). Indonesian has "cleared" its distorted image as East Timor human rights abuser. Save Indonesian tax payer money from bottomless pit called "East Timor" and now hold no responsibilities of atrocities and chaos happened in East Timor.

Bali Bombing -------> Indonesian majority resentment to terror and denounce using religions to justify criminal act, without winding up democracy back to government controlled totalitarianism

Aceh Tsunami ------> Peace agreement between Indonesian goverment and GAM (Aceh Liberation rebels)

1998 racial riots, May Tragedy -------> Leads to the end of discriminations against Chinese Indonesian.
Chinese Indonesian can practice their culture and language, all Indonesian has equal rights despite their racial origin. Imlek (Chinese new year) is nationally recognize as national holiday, also the recognition of Confucianism as one of official religions.

Have you ever think that similar racial riots (Pribumi vs Chinese) happened in Malaysia in 1969 was giving quite different results; the "social contract arrangement" that gave Malay and other native special "Pribumi" status that gave them advantage that not enjoyed by Indian and Chinese descends. Riots was lead to the "justification" of discriminations? confused.gif
XxRyoChanxX
^ that's why they say "Everything happens for a reason" biggthumpup.gif
skyisdalimit
congrats. btw there is sad thing abt this increasingly democratic nation. People of indonesia seem to not fully understand or could not arrange themselves in an orederly manner so that this so called democracy could benefit the nation. It seems to me that for majority, democracy mean go down to street and yell to governement hoping that they would listen to this "handful of people". Sometimes, they failed to realize that government has weighed their decisions so that the overall benefits outweigh the loss that some people might incurred. Moreover, by going down to street, they also have caused losses like traffic congestions, sometimes they also left rubbish behind and the worst is causing damages to public facilities. I believe the current government is too scared to uphold something that they should do. If the demonstration turns to become an anarchy act, these people should be arrested. they have caused losses to not government but the Taxpayers who keep paying for the reparation cost of these facilities. The democracy also mean greater degree of freedom. this give rise to overlapping in many sector of life. For example, like i said earlier, by stopping the mass from going down to street, the govt have violate the democracy basic principle- freedom of speech- but they(govt) have the duty to ensure the safety of public and society even nation stability. There are many overlapping, such that there are no longer any clear boundaries which the citizens have to set limit to their movements. I believe due to poor education system and also very unequal access to REAL education throughout the nation, majority of Indonesians still currently do not have the capabilities to make full use this newly introduced democracy.

What i have said only my opinions, so I believe it is part of freedom of speech. and dont forget my fellow countrymen, in democracy, we also have to accept ridicule, mockery from those who dont agree with us. (this is what i meant by overlapping, as freedom of speech would mean we could even talk about snesitive issues like race,religion,and other heart breaking stuffs. In democracy, by right, racist remarks are allowed. so there are no longer boundaries to where we must stop due to this so called 'freedom'.)

To conclude, to all those read this, democracy could be a double edges sword. so extra careful handling have to be practised.


cheers =)
furansizuka
Republik Mimpi tv show is one of evidences that democracy rules indonesia. Even France and some europe countries want to adopt this show. They can't believe Indonesian govt allowed this show.
Majapahitans
QUOTE(XxRyoChanxX @ Nov 16 2007, 05:35 PM) [snapback]3315881[/snapback]
^ that's why they say "Everything happens for a reason" biggthumpup.gif


Amen sista.... beerchug.gif
Majapahitans
QUOTE(furansizuka @ Nov 19 2007, 04:51 AM) [snapback]3319612[/snapback]
Republik Mimpi tv show is one of evidences that democracy rules indonesia. Even France and some europe countries want to adopt this show. They can't believe Indonesian govt allowed this show.


Yay.... that's good news...
tangawizi
What's the Republik Mimpi show about??
tangawizi
QUOTE(skyisdalimit @ Nov 19 2007, 05:22 AM) [snapback]3319139[/snapback]
congrats. btw there is sad thing abt this increasingly democratic nation. People of indonesia seem to not fully understand or could not arrange themselves in an orederly manner so that this so called democracy could benefit the nation. It seems to me that for majority, democracy mean go down to street and yell to governement hoping that they would listen to this "handful of people". Sometimes, they failed to realize that government has weighed their decisions so that the overall benefits outweigh the loss that some people might incurred. Moreover, by going down to street, they also have caused losses like traffic congestions, sometimes they also left rubbish behind and the worst is causing damages to public facilities. I believe the current government is too scared to uphold something that they should do. If the demonstration turns to become an anarchy act, these people should be arrested. they have caused losses to not government but the Taxpayers who keep paying for the reparation cost of these facilities. The democracy also mean greater degree of freedom. this give rise to overlapping in many sector of life. For example, like i said earlier, by stopping the mass from going down to street, the govt have violate the democracy basic principle- freedom of speech- but they(govt) have the duty to ensure the safety of public and society even nation stability. There are many overlapping, such that there are no longer any clear boundaries which the citizens have to set limit to their movements. I believe due to poor education system and also very unequal access to REAL education throughout the nation, majority of Indonesians still currently do not have the capabilities to make full use this newly introduced democracy.

What i have said only my opinions, so I believe it is part of freedom of speech. and dont forget my fellow countrymen, in democracy, we also have to accept ridicule, mockery from those who dont agree with us. (this is what i meant by overlapping, as freedom of speech would mean we could even talk about snesitive issues like race,religion,and other heart breaking stuffs. In democracy, by right, racist remarks are allowed. so there are no longer boundaries to where we must stop due to this so called 'freedom'.)

To conclude, to all those read this, democracy could be a double edges sword. so extra careful handling have to be practised.
cheers =)


i think wat u are referring to is known as the 'mob power'. When france first practised democracy, their 'mob power' was just as strong as what u see in Indonesia now. When there is great disparity of wealth and unequal distribution of resources, 'mob power' is natural. It's evolutionary process for democracy to mature. I hope INdo govt will have the will power to lessen the gulf of wealth and distribution of resources. Then 'mob power' will become obsolete hopefuly.
Indofood
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Nov 17 2007, 12:21 AM) [snapback]3315474[/snapback]
Indonesian democratization was the "blessing in disguise" from 1997 Asian Financial Crisis.
This crisis leads to the fall of Suharto's regime.
What would happen if the crisis didn't take place? Indonesia will be "a little bit" more prosperous, but only can "dream" about democracy. -
Ever think that way guys..? icon_neutral.gif

.........

1998 racial riots, May Tragedy -------> Leads to the end of discriminations against Chinese Indonesian.
Chinese Indonesian can practice their culture and language, all Indonesian has equal rights despite their racial origin. Imlek (Chinese new year) is nationally recognize as national holiday, also the recognition of Confucianism as one of official religions.

Have you ever think that similar racial riots (Pribumi vs Chinese) happened in Malaysia in 1969 was giving quite different results; the "social contract arrangement" that gave Malay and other native special "Pribumi" status that gave them advantage that not enjoyed by Indian and Chinese descends. Riots was lead to the "justification" of discriminations? confused.gif


Glad you brought it up man......about this....i've got a story.....a story that differentiates Indonesians and Malaysians to the core.....

I once used to hang out with this guy, he is a Malay and the eldest son of a Datuk (a federal title, just so people would know that the person with this is somewhat important), and he was around 30 somethin. And he was one of the producers of the movie "Maximum Impact" or "Impak Maksima" in malay (a Malaysian movie about car driftings, like Tokyo Drift).....
His father owns a construction company, a big one, and his father has built a highway, a pretty famous one in Selangor (a state where KL is). They live in Damansara (a nice elite city full of expats). So they are rich and well respected.

So anyways, one time when we were out drinking (nope, no alcohol involved, sorry...biggrin.gif), our conversation somehow drifted from business (he wanted to start a business in Indonesia.....well, who doesn't??biggrin.gif) to social politics....and I brought up the topic about that racial riot that happened in malaysia in 1969.....and check this out, the guy goes (in malay of course):

"Saya benci cina.....Dulu bapa saya membunuh 30 orang cina, karena orang cina mau merebut negara ini....hahahaha....nanti kalau saya sudah kaya dan berkuasa, saya mau beli itu bisnis2 cina and saya usir mreka dari negara ini....hahaha"

in english: "I hate the Chinese......My father have killed 30 Chinese during the riot, because the Chinese wanted to take over the country...hahahaha......when i'm rich and powerful i wanna buy all their businesses and kick them outta this country...hahaha"

(yes, he laughed. No, he was not drunk. And yes, some malays are proud with their murderous heritage and of being racist - well, this guy's family is, not all i assure you..)

I could not fu-k*n believe what i just heard....Some people actually are proud having murderous past and being racist.....those Sons of b!tch*s.....
And i gotta tell you, what he said ain't gonna happen, the Malays are lazy as f*ck, and the Chinese and Indians are hard working as hell......so, the Chinese and Indians will still be the among the riches, while the Malays will still be the last......

and the irony is the guy speaks Cantonese.....

anyways, didnt mean the insult anybody, if i did i'm sorry, just wanted to tell a story.....and to all malaysian malays, hope you can look yourself in the mirror before judging Indonesia....there's a lot of skeletons in you closet....

one more thing, thank God that guy didn't manage to do a business in Indonesia....his business partners (which are my friends) lost trust on the guy....hahahaha...biggrin.gif
skyisdalimit
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Nov 20 2007, 03:55 AM) [snapback]3320050[/snapback]
i think wat u are referring to is known as the 'mob power'. When france first practised democracy, their 'mob power' was just as strong as what u see in Indonesia now. When there is great disparity of wealth and unequal distribution of resources, 'mob power' is natural. It's evolutionary process for democracy to mature. I hope INdo govt will have the will power to lessen the gulf of wealth and distribution of resources. Then 'mob power' will become obsolete hopefuly.

thx for the info. This is the first time I encountered this term called mob power. do you mind sending me the link to this mob power term? I believe u have read this from some reliable sources. Btw tangawizi are u an african ? where is yer origin ?

cheers =)
Indofood
QUOTE(furansizuka @ Nov 19 2007, 05:51 PM) [snapback]3319612[/snapback]
Republik Mimpi tv show is one of evidences that democracy rules indonesia. Even France and some europe countries want to adopt this show. They can't believe Indonesian govt allowed this show.



Yeah, i was pretty amazed that Gus Dur didn't complain about the show, since he's got a guy who plays him on it....and the last time when he was just being elected President, and some comedians made fun of him on TV (Gebyar BCA if im not mistaken), Gus Dur was pissed and made them apologize on national TV....hahaha

So yeah, i guess it's a good thing......SBY actually does have a good political agenda....

Congratz Indonesiaku!!! biggthumpup.gif
tangawizi
"mob power" ?? i duno what source to give u as it's something we learnt from political history...maybe u can google French History + mob power??

I come from singapore la, but i live in africa now.. icon_wink.gif
skyisdalimit
I love republik mimpi by newsdotcom. I was wondering when I watched the show, how on earth could they found the people who resemble the indonesia ex-leaders like Megakarti, Gus pur, Habibie and soeharta. Amazing. Then the jarwo kuat is funny, i believe he is the life of the show And also effendy gazaly, PHd as his adviser. I like Mr effendy as he look smart. I heard he is a "dosen"( university lecturer ) but jomblo. LOL.

For tangawizi, republik mimpi is a show that discussing about current indonesia situation. And the issues brought up almost about everything. depend on what are hot at that week. the speakers in the show form an imaginary country that is Indonesia neighbour, but the leaders and the speakers all have the name that almost same as the ex-leaders in indonesia(they twist the name a bit) and i tell you what, they also have similar look as the original persons. So most of the time they critize some of the government decisions but also give some feedbacks and definitely give praise to their achievements. And this Indonesia neighbour country is called Republik Mimpi (Dreaming country). In the show they will come out with jokes and irony when they talk about certain issues. in the same time they also inform the people about certain news. that is roughly what republik mimpi is all about.
If you understand bahasa indonesia, you could watch this show from youtube. or subscribe to this account called "newsdotcom" in youtube.



cheers =)
furansizuka
^ vast explanation biggthumpup.gif
Yes, sista Wizy, just type 'Republik Mimpi' at youtube search tool and you'll find the vids.
furansizuka
oh btw, Republik Mimpi is originally a talkshow in Indosiar channel named 'Republik Benar-Benar Mabuk' (BBM) and it won Best Talk Show @ Asian Television Awards last year. Why did it move to Metro TV? Because Indosiar was too afraid that the govt would censor the show, they set straight limit and rules that couldn't be accepted by Effendy Gozali as the first man behind this show.
skyisdalimit
thx furan for the info. for tangawizi, so you from singapore, i am currently studyin there, but soon, i would leave sg. so we could use singlish to each other now. hahaha.
tangawizi
Speak Singlish???? caaaaaaaaaaaaan.... anytime lar!!!!!! biggrin.gif
skyisdalimit
wizy, wat are u doin there(africa) ? which country ? workin there ?
skyisdalimit
last night, republik mimpi(republik of dreams) was covered on Channelnewsasia.
furansizuka
^ any link so I can watch the rerun? what were they talking about?
beranjakdewasa
What..
Democracy won't make us wealthy...
Stupid word for stupid country...

XxRyoChanxX
QUOTE(beranjakdewasa @ Nov 22 2007, 03:12 PM) [snapback]3326179[/snapback]
What..
Democracy won't make us wealthy...
Stupid word for stupid country...


what the heck are you talking about
beranjakdewasa
jangan terlalu gembira...
ni negara... terlalu bangga dengan kedemokrasiannya...
demokrasi tanpa kesejahteraan sama dengan nothing...

mau makan tu demokrasi...

kelapa
QUOTE(beranjakdewasa @ Nov 22 2007, 10:13 PM) [snapback]3326234[/snapback]
jangan terlalu gembira...
ni negara... terlalu bangga dengan kedemokrasiannya...
demokrasi tanpa kesejahteraan sama dengan nothing...

mau makan tu demokrasi...


without democracy that you criticise, you may not be able to do what you just did, foo ! Grow up! (oh, baru tau situ masih "beranjakdewasa").

Of course we know there are certain economic threshold to make democracy STABLE, but this country could not show its own greatness before due to suppression it has experienced. Do you realise how difficult now for us to choose competent leaders due to many limitation applied before?
skyisdalimit
QUOTE(furansizuka @ Nov 22 2007, 08:00 PM) [snapback]3325741[/snapback]
^ any link so I can watch the rerun? what were they talking about?

sorry furan, I have tried to look for it in the channelnewsasia website but I cannot find it. Btw they are talking about republik mimpi as a show that uses political satire and have successfully draw large audiences and has high rating. something like that.
to kelapa and beranjak dewasa, welcome.....

cheers =)
skyisdalimit
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N3yk22eIIKg&feature=related watch this vid. there are a lot facts abt indonesia. at the end of the vid ther is some form of entertainment. hahahah
Bhaskara
Welcome, beranjakdewasa. Funny, even though you are sending messages that you are an Indonesian, you speak like a Malaysian. Oh well, won't be the 1st though... icon_wink.gif
XxRyoChanxX
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Nov 22 2007, 08:47 PM) [snapback]3326536[/snapback]
Welcome, beranjakdewasa. Funny, even though you are sending messages that you are an Indonesian, you speak like a Malaysian. Oh well, won't be the 1st though... icon_wink.gif


plz don't tell me it's tengku Talktohand.gif
Bhaskara
Convenient timing, don't you think? icon_wink.gif
XxRyoChanxX
yeah it's possible.
furansizuka
bahasa indonesia-nya beranjakdewasa memang agak aneh. Grow up lerr!
skyisdalimit
i think there is abt 20% probability of that(he is tengku). moreover why he sent u a pm bhaskie ? so he might be someone familiar wit the ppl here(this forum). and he doesnt look like a newbie from the way he posted the reply.
firdausj
QUOTE(kelapa @ Nov 23 2007, 05:00 AM) [snapback]3326274[/snapback]
without democracy that you criticise, you may not be able to do what you just did, foo ! Grow up! (oh, baru tau situ masih "beranjakdewasa").

Of course we know there are certain economic threshold to make democracy STABLE, but this country could not show its own greatness before due to suppression it has experienced. Do you realise how difficult now for us to choose competent leaders due to many limitation applied before?


"Democracy requires the institution of basic principles of fairness and openness -- and the rule of law -- to secure good governance and pave the way toward stability and economic prosperity. Without that, the future of a country and its people suffer. It is in this regard that I seek to highlight the debilitating effects of corruption for Indonesia's future" ..


QUOTE
Richard L. Armitage, Arlington, VA

I have watched Indonesia's transition to democracy with great optimism. In the nine years since the demise of the Soeharto regime, the people of Indonesia have taken up the banner of democracy and worked for change. They have demonstrated, gone to the polls, and elected officials with the high hope that they would further the country's advances.

Along this path, there have been great successes. One needs only to look to the 2004 elections for signs of progress. But, in any transition, the path is strewn with hurdles. And, in the case of a democratic transition, it is important to understand that elections are not the end of the road.

Democracy requires the institution of basic principles of fairness and openness -- and the rule of law -- to secure good governance and pave the way toward stability and economic prosperity. Without that, the future of a country and its people suffer. It is in this regard that I seek to highlight the debilitating effects of corruption for Indonesia's future.

I am asked regularly for my advice on the benefits of doing business in Indonesia. Given the optimism I hold for the country, I am genuinely interested in promoting its economic promise. However, in truth, I am also obliged to note the drawbacks of doing business in a country where corruption is perceived to be commonplace.

There are unhappy facts to disclose. Reports suggest that elements within the government and business community remain entrenched in a way of life that accepts corruption as a cost of doing business. There is poor contract enforcement, inconsistent interpretation or arbitrary enforcement of laws and taxes, and inefficient enforcement of intellectual property rights. There have been instances of unequal treatment among foreign investors.

Some have been targeted by unfair allegations and been the subject of negative public opinion campaigns, most often exploiting nationalism as a means to drive certain foreign investors out of the country. Even public bodies meant to enforce correct business practices, such as the Business Competition Supervisory Commission -- the KPPU -- have come under question for their integrity and independence.

For all credible corporations and businesspeople, these facts have a tremendous chilling effect. Large, multinational corporations that otherwise might have approached Indonesian markets with great enthusiasm and resources are considering their options more carefully.

And why wouldn't they when Indonesia is ranked among the lowest third out of 180 countries surveyed for the 2007 Corruption Perception Index prepared by Transparency International, a global anti-corruption civil society organization?

So, predictably, with the uncertainties of doing business in Indonesia have come a dive in investor confidence and a drive to seek opportunities elsewhere. These by-products of corruption are no more clearly seen than in comparisons of economic performance with other ASEAN members. Whereas foreign direct investment in Indonesia fell by a third last year to US$6 billion from $9 billion the previous year, other countries, such as Vietnam, experienced notable increases. In 2006, foreign direct investment in Vietnam topped $10 billion, the highest since it opened its doors to FDI in 1986.

There are also gaps in development where Indonesia lags behind other ASEAN members.

Indonesia's unemployment rate remains high at 10.3 percent in 2006, and approximately 42 percent of the Indonesians are living on $1-2 per day. By any measure, those are poor statistics in a region that is experiencing tremendous economic growth and more particularly for a country that has the intellectual capital, manpower, and natural resources to do better.

Fortunately, there are those in country who are working to improve Indonesia's business environment. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, most notably, has acknowledged corruption as a major problem and has launched initiatives to reform the country's tax, investment, and labor laws. Although these initiatives have stumbled at times in Parliament, their pursuit and ultimate implementation remain vital.

I have no doubt of President Yudhoyono's conviction to stamp out corruption. He has been consistent in highlighting this effort as one of his top priorities. However, his efforts alone have proven insufficient to secure a level of investor confidence that is necessary to meet Indonesia's economic potential. It will take a concerted effort by all Indonesians to reject corrupt practices and demand real reform on the government's part.

As in their drive for democratic processes earlier this decade, Indonesians should turn their attention to what now stands as a significant impediment for stability and prosperity -- corruption. There should be tougher approaches to bringing corrupt officials to justice, efforts to end selectivity in investigations and prosecutions, and further civil service reforms to attract capable, responsible people who can understand and enforce the laws. The Indonesian media also should be encouraged to play a more aggressive role in exposing graft.

I raise this as a burning issue not simply for reasons of financial gain on behalf of foreign investors, but because the effects of corruption for Indonesia are real and stand to undermine the tremendous political and economic strides Indonesia has made in its transition to democracy. Left unchecked, corruption will cause Indonesia to fall further behind in its ability to support its people and their aspirations -- setting the stage for political and economic instability. That would be a terrible tragedy for Indonesia, a country that to date had fostered genuine optimism for its future.

The writer is the President of Armitage International L.C., an international business consultancy. He previously served as U.S. Deputy Secretary of State from 2001 to 2005.
skyisdalimit
gila berat man...... i mean firdausj article
Bhaskara
@sky: Eh? Who sent me a PM?
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