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DrGieL3
Hahaha ... with this "poor and "amateur" legal docs shown by our lawyer...I doubt that Malaysia can win in this "battle" because Singapore is much much smarter than Indonesia ..... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Please remember ... The main reason why Malaysia can "win" Sipadan and Ligitan islands as ours at ICJ because of "stupidity and carelessness" of the Indonesia gov't to let us to "effectively" control those small islands during the "status quo" ....

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Now you see it, now you don't



IN THE HAGUE - AT A glance, the two pictures look alike. Both have Horsburgh Lighthouse and Pedra Branca in the foreground.

But look again - at the background which shows the Johor mainland, with Point Romania and a hill named Mount Berbukit. In one picture the hill is highly visible; in the other, it is hardly visible.

Therein lies the photographic illusion that Malaysia had created to exaggerate the closeness of Pedra Branca to Johor, Singapore said yesterday at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague.

The first photograph, which Malaysia had shown the court last week, was taken by a camera using a telephoto lens.

The second photograph was taken by Singapore, using a camera lens that approximates what the human eye sees. As a result, the Malaysian photograph exaggerated the height of Mount Berbukit by about seven times, Singapore's Attorney-General Chao Hick Tin said when he presented the two photos before the court.

He described it as 'an attempt to convey a subliminal message of proximity between Pedra Branca and the coast of Johor'.But it was not an accurate reflection of what visitors to Pedra Branca would see if they were looking towardsthe Johor mainland, he said.

Mr Chao was speaking before the ICJ as the hearing over the Pedra Branca dispute enters the third week. Yesterday was the first day of Singapore's rebuttals against Malaysia's oral arguments made last week.

Both countries are appearing at the ICJ to resolve their dispute over the sovereignty of the island 40km east of Singapore and which stands at the eastern entrance of the Singapore Strait.

Last week, Malaysia had also claimed the photo in question was taken from an online blog or weblog. The implication was the photo came from an independent source.

But yesterday, Mr Chao raised questions about the blog.

'This blog site is a most unusual one. It was created only last month. There is no information on the identity of the blogger and the photograph used by Malaysia was only put on the website on Nov 2 2007, four days before the start of these oral proceedings,' he said.

Mr Chao also sought to debunk Malaysia's claim that Pedra Branca was near Point Romania in Johor. The phrase 'near Point Romania' was used in an 1844 letter from the Temenggong of Johor to Governor Butterworth in Singapore.

In that letter, the Temenggong gave permission for the British to build a lighthouse on any island near Point Romania.

Malaysia claimed the phrase included Pedra Branca, and that the letter showed Britain acknowledged Johor's sovereignty over the island.

Mr Chao said the letter did not refer to Pedra Branca but to Peak Rock which, in 1844, was where the British planned to build a lighthouse.

He pointed out the distance between Pedra Branca and Point Romania was six times that between the latter and Peak Rock.

In an 1846 letter, Governor Butterworth explained his original preference for Peak Rock as the site of a lighthouse because Pedra Branca was 'at so great a distance from the main land'.

Singapore's rebuttals yesterday were launched by Deputy Prime Minister S. Jayakumar. He highlighted five 'baseless allegations and insinuations' that Malaysia had lobbed against Singapore and rebutted each in turn.

Among them was Malaysia's charge that Singapore wished to 'subvert' long-established arrangements in the Singapore Strait.

On the contrary, he said, it was Kuala Lumpur that tried to alter the status quo through the publication of a map in 1979 that altered its maritime boundaries with seven of its neighbours.

That was also the map that sparked the current dispute.

Prof Jayakumar said he was disappointed that Malaysia had resorted to such allegations in its bid to win the case. 'We should seek to win by stating objective facts and submitting persuasive legal arguments, and not by resorting to unfounded political statements and making insinuations damaging to the integrity of the opposite party,' he said.

lydia@sph.com.sg


See also these:

1. http://www.jeffooi.com/2007/11/malaysia_us...arists_blog.php
2. http://rockybru.blogspot.com/2007/11/if-we...u-know-why.html
maldini
sad... now whole world is laughing at msia... and as a msian.. i m malu with msia....
pancaindera
QUOTE(DrGieL3 @ Nov 22 2007, 12:47 AM) [snapback]3323790[/snapback]
Please remember ... The main reason why Malaysia can "win" Sipadan and Ligitan islands as ours at ICJ because of "stupidity and carelessness" of the Indonesia gov't to let us to "effectively" control those small islands during the "status quo" ....
See also these:


Malaysia won Sipadan and Ligitan fair and square. What makes you think Indonesia deserve it more than us?

About Pedra Branca, Ambalat, etc, i dont know la, im not so familiar with the facts.
DrGieL3
QUOTE(pancaindera @ Nov 21 2007, 10:13 PM) [snapback]3324914[/snapback]
Malaysia won Sipadan and Ligitan fair and square. What makes you think Indonesia deserve it more than us?

About Pedra Branca, Ambalat, etc, i dont know la, im not so familiar with the facts.


"The ICJ ruled that neither Indonesia nor Malaysia had a title-based claim to the small islands, but Kuala Lumpur had shown "manifestations of state authority" over the islands, notably in the 1930s under British rule, while Indonesia did not protest Malaysia's actions until 1969".

Please note that we will not win in this case if Indonesia send their TNI and/or their people to Sipadan and Ligitan to support their claim... This case also showed the high capability of Mahathir to "lobby' and "entertain" Soeharto and his successors .. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

We are stupid ... but Indonesia is more more stupid than us .... So, it is understandable why they can loose Pulau Pasir in 1975, East Timor in 1999, Sipadan Ligitan in 2002, military training area for Singapore at Natuna sea in 2007 and maybe Ambalat and Papua in the near future ... Hahaha ....

See these links for reference:

1. http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?p1...se=102&k=df
2. http://priyadi.net/archives/2005/03/09/sen...rairan-ambalat/
3. www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/DL21Ae01.html
4. http://buletinlitbang.dephan.go.id/index.a...amp;mnorutisi=6
kimyee73
Both Malaysia and Singapore has equal chance of winning this dispute although the evidence provided by Malaysia has more weight. The only incriminating evidence against Malaysia provided by Singapore is a letter from Johore that said Johore did not claim ownership of the island. Malaysian argument is that not claiming ownership does not equal not claiming sovereignty, much like any Singaporean can own a house in Malaysia but does not mean Singapore has sovereignty over the house.
ricochet
QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Nov 22 2007, 04:57 PM) [snapback]3325587[/snapback]
Both Malaysia and Singapore has equal chance of winning this dispute although the evidence provided by Malaysia has more weight. The only incriminating evidence against Malaysia provided by Singapore is a letter from Johore that said Johore did not claim ownership of the island. Malaysian argument is that not claiming ownership does not equal not claiming sovereignty, much like any Singaporean can own a house in Malaysia but does not mean Singapore has sovereignty over the house.


Where the hell is pedra branca la....can someone show me the map

I ask this same question when SR Nathan becomes Singapore President....this mama come from where la embarassedlaugh.gif
kimyee73
QUOTE(ricochet @ Nov 23 2007, 11:57 AM) [snapback]3326871[/snapback]
Where the hell is pedra branca la....can someone show me the map

I ask this same question when SR Nathan becomes Singapore President....this mama come from where la embarassedlaugh.gif

Go to Wikipedia and click on the tiny map to enlarge it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulau_Batu_Putih
DrGieL3
Malaysia: We will win our claim on Spratly islands as ours at ICJ because we have a "strong, concrete and legitimate" evidence ..
Hahahaha ..... Who can deny it ?

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KUALA LUMPUR (15 July) - Malaysian National Front Government Official said Thursday that they would present "a concrete evidence" that Spratly Islands, which contributed a tense dispute among Southeast Asian countries are part of Malaysian exclusive economic zone. Malaysian officials told a national news agency that they have found "a concrete" evidence recently.

An officer who declined to disclose the finding, took reporters to the evidence after being persuaded. "It is rather difficult for me to disclose this mysterious thinglah! But, if you're so eager to know, alright… no problem! Come and follow me lah" he said.

"We are sure to convince the International Court on the matter.. you see!" he added.

The officer then took reporters to an armed forces logistics store said to contain the evidence found on Spratly's Islands. Reporters seemed very, very,very surprise when discovered that the said evidence was a Malaysian made Screamland mattress with 13 semen spots!

"We'll prove that these semens belong to Malaysian!" he added.

source: http://www.angelfire.com/al/islah/spratly.html

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tangawizi
Is there good snorkelling around the island of Pedra branca????
singapak2
I don't mind Malaysia win the case.

The only thing that i don't want is, there's gonna be conflict or protest or watever against Singapore/Malaysia after the case ends.
renzokuken
what does that tiny island worth?


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