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Bhaskara
This time, they claim Reog Ponorogo. Here is the link of how Malaysian claims our heritage.


This made Ponorogo people and other Indonesian very mad. The funny thing is, they claim that the art form was based on the story of Prophet Sulaiman (Solomon)! What a laugh! embarassedlaugh.gif

It's clearly pre-Islamic! For you people who don't know, Reog Ponorogo is a form of art with magical background. It's telling the victorious story of how King Klana Sewandana and his force and their quest to put a beast into submission. Klana Sewandana is the antagonist of the Panji Cycle, a very famous epic which is even well known in Thailand and Cambodia (but they admit that the story has a Javanese origin, not like Malaysia).


An artist with Klana mask on Reog Ponorogo performance in Frankfurt:


My fellow Indonesians, please keep our heritage dearly so these kinds of $hit won't happen anymore in the future!
Betong
QUOTE(Bhaskara @ Nov 21 2007, 11:04 PM) [snapback]3325044[/snapback]
This time, they claim Reog Ponorogo. Here is the link of how Malaysian claims our heritage.
This made Ponorogo people and other Indonesian very mad. The funny thing is, they claim that the art form was based on the story of Prophet Sulaiman (Solomon)! What a laugh! embarassedlaugh.gif

It's clearly pre-Islamic! For you people who don't know, Reog Ponorogo is a form of art with magical background. It's telling the victorious story of how King Klana Sewandana and his force and their quest to put a beast into submission. Klana Sewandana is the antagonist of the Panji Cycle, a very famous epic which is even well known in Thailand and Cambodia (but they admit that the story has a Javanese origin, not like Malaysia).


An artist with Klana mask on Reog Ponorogo performance in Frankfurt:


My fellow Indonesians, please keep our heritage dearly so these kinds of $hit won't happen anymore in the future!

Wow, man wearing a masked. I never know this kind of dance exist in Malaysia but I do know that most of Javanese in Batu Pahat, Johor were from Ponogoro.
Indofood
stupid artless retards...
tangawizi
Maybe Malaysia is in identity crisis, trying to be less arabized.... give them a break lah... bhaskara...

actually, your nick Bhaskara comes from some legendary Indian philosopher, isn't it???
skyisdalimit
Standard ah malaysia. come on lah... though we are in a globalised era, but i still believe there is still clear boundary if we are talking about culture.
Majapahitans
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Nov 22 2007, 05:47 AM) [snapback]3325706[/snapback]
Maybe Malaysia is in identity crisis, trying to be less arabized.... give them a break lah... bhaskara...


I think soo too, identity crisis.
Trying to find their root of native Malay cultural identity.... something to be proud of. To be sold as tourism "package".
But unfortunately most of indigenious cultural masterpiece within Austronesian race are having Indonesian origin....
If they claim it and fail to acknowledge Indonesian origin, fierce Indonesian like Bhas, indofood, desto (and to some degree... me embarassedlaugh.gif ) will ridicule them and attack those poor Malaysian.... hehe...


Oh yeah, if they wanna adapt Reog Ponorogo, why don't they adopt "Gemblak" and Warok tradition too, I heard "sodomie" is already their household name.... embarassedlaugh.gif
furansizuka
You know what? Malaysia also claimed ANGKLUNG. But since they didn't know how to play it, they hired Indonesians to TEACH THEM HOW TO PLAY IT!!!!! rotflmao.gif
kelapa
All of these brouhahas stemmed from Malaysian version of what is 'Malay', which is quite unique (they include the javanese, buginese, etc etc as long as they are muslims. Thus, the dayaks, which have malayo-polynesian features similar to javanese and buginese but are not muslims, cannot be grouped into 'Malay'). You may find this explanation somewhere in internet. Wikipedia can be a starting point.

As I can only say: ABCDE ...

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Wow, man wearing a masked. I never know this kind of dance exist in Malaysia but I do know that most of Javanese in Batu Pahat, Johor were from Ponogoro.


How could they then claim that it is of Malay heritage ? This is what most Indonesian do not understand. Malay in Indonesia has the same pride for their cultures as well as the Javanese. We do not mix them so easily.
XxRyoChanxX
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Nov 22 2007, 06:47 AM) [snapback]3325732[/snapback]
I think soo too, identity crisis.


They're Desperate laugh.gif
skyisdalimit
QUOTE(furansizuka @ Nov 22 2007, 08:18 PM) [snapback]3325756[/snapback]
You know what? Malaysia also claimed keroncong. But since they didn't know how to play it, they hired Indonesians to TEACH THEM HOW TO PLAY IT!!!!! rotflmao.gif

this is the best. good point furan.
Bhaskara
@tangy: Yes, my AF handle is an Indian name and I'm not ashamed to admit it, unlike the Malaysians. icon_wink.gif

@kelapa: My sentiment exactly. My Malay Indonesians friends would never claim these kind of stuff as their heritage, because they are proud of their own "Melayu" culture.

@furrie: Really? The nerve they got!!!
furansizuka
^Edited! It's Angklung, actually!!
Bhaskara
Hehehe.. icon_redface.gif
I wonder what is their base on that claim? We have all the history, we have all the records. I bet they can't explain the origin of Angklung, what was it used for, 'cos they just don't have it in their culture!
furansizuka
and after people get mad and the whole world find out this freud, they will apologize as usual -rolleyes but I bet they'll do the same thing over and over again.
musingx
@Furan: they will apologize ( with finger crossed behind ) but don't expect the formal or exposure on media.

The ridiculous thing is they sounds too desperate by stating the Barongan is based on Prophet Sulaiman, too Arabized I think it's also as an effort on cutting the trace that is end to pre-islamic era in Java.

Btw, people in Batu Pahat pronounce 11 as ' sepuluh siji', yup there are Javanese , the lang has changed a bit.
firdausj
Malaysias think that they are a great great nation, but actually they are not ....
So, as Indonesians, it will be better if we, as "friend and brother" can assist them to re-cover from their "inferiority complex" behavior ..
I agree with Emha .. take a positive side for this case ...

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Seputar Indonesia
Jumat; 24 November 2007

TIGA pekan lagi, 14 Desember, saya akan sediakan panggung-panggung untuk beberapa penyair PENA Malaysia di Pusat Kesenian Jakarta Taman Ismail Marzuki. Besoknya saya ajak ke acara Komisi Yudisial, ada Rendra,Taufiq Ismail,M Sobary,Kiai Kanjeng, dll di sana.

Besoknya lagi saya coba koordinasikan dengan Taman Budaya Yogya. Besoknya sesudah itu di padangbulanan Yogya ”Mocopat Syafaat Yogya". Kemudian sudah saya pesan kerja sama dengan Fakultas Sastra Unair dan Bengkel Muda Surabaya. Justru karena Indonesia dan Malaysia sedang tak enak hati. Orang Indonesia uring-uringan soal ”Rasa Sayange”, ”Reog”, ”Batik”, dll.

Malaysia dianggap ‘ngelunjak’, ang kuh, merendahkan, bahkan semua warga kita yang di Malaysia kebal dengan sebutan ”Indon”. Malaysia sendiri juga punya perasaan yang sama. Heran kenapa Indonesia marahmarah. Pejabat-pejabat di sana mengeluh bahwa pers Indonesia terlalu membesarbesarkan masalah.

Seorang anak muda, dalam acara ”Kongres Budaya Serumpun” mengatakan kepada saya: ”Bangsa Indonesia bersikap seperti itu karena pendidikannya lebih rendah dari bangsa Malaysia”. Sebenarnya agak malas, tetapi saya langsung jawab ketika itu: ”Please don’t ever ever ever say such a word again...”.

Apalagi kalau pas di Indonesia, kalimat itu jangan pernah diucapkan. Saya tidak tergerak untuk membantahnya, meskipun budayawan senior Baharudin Zainal kemudian setengah mati mengatakan: ”Saya dibesarkan secara intelektual di Indonesia.Harsya Bachtiar, Umar Kayam, Goenawan Muhamad,Taufiq Abdullah,dll bukan hanya sahabat-sahabat saya, tapi juga inspirator dan guru-guru saya.

Dalam konteks pencapaian intelektual,kebudayaan dan karya seni, Malaysia sama sekali bukan tandingan kita. Secara keseluruhan, bahkan Indonesia adalah gurunya Malaysia....” Saya sendiri tidak akan membela diri seperti itu.Andaikan dikejar kenapa saya akan bilang ”Do not ever say that again”, saya akan jawab: ke mana pun pergi, saya selalu belajar dan berguru.Apalagi ke Malaysia.

Kalau guru saya merendahkan saya, maka saya batalkan pembelajaran saya, sebab ekspresi superioritas orang lain sudah lebih dari cukup bagi saya untuk merogoh, menyerap, mencuri dan menelanjanginya sampai ia kopong kosong hampa. Ada sangat banyak dan cukup panjang soal Indonesia-Malaysia ini kalau dituliskan.Banyak segi, dimensi, dan nuansa.

Berulang kali saya ke Malaysia, beberapa kali dengan Kiai Kanjeng, tanpa pernah mengalami sikap angkuh atau meremehkan dari mereka. Ada sejumlah fakta dan data bisa dipakai kalau mau pertandingan keunggulan, bangsa Indonesia sesungguhnya tak terlawan oleh siapa pun di muka bumi ini, kecuali (kita juga memiliki) sejumlah kecenderungan seperti ‘selengean’, ‘cengengesan’, ‘iseng’, tidak percaya satu sama lain, terlalu permisif, dan suka menggampangkan sesuatu.

Kita bisa diskusi tentang Indonesia- Malaysia sekian bab. Misalnya kontinuasi perang dingin dan dendam Melaka-Majapahit. Bab lain tentang Hang Tuah dan Hang Jebat.Bab lain tentang Kementerian Pariwisata dan Eny Beatric.Bab lain tentang TKI-TKW sebagai representasi bangsa Indonesia, sehingga generasi terbaru Malaysia membayangkan Indonesia itu hutan rimba, suku terasing, kampung-kampung, dusun-dusun, uneducated dan uncivilized nation.

Bab lain tentang paradoks antara fanatisme Melayu, tetapi orientasi kebaratan yang makin meninggi. Bab lain tentang perlunya bangsa Malaysia dikasih data tentang jumlah orang Jawa di tengah bangsa-bangsa dan sukusuku di wilayah Nusantara. Cukup statistik saja dulu, tak perlu hal Ronggowarsito, Gajahmada, filsafat adiluhung, Tari Bedoyo Ketawang, apalagi sampai Tan Malaka, Pramoedya Ananta Toer atau BJ Habibie. Juga tak perlu hitung dulu berapa jumlah mal di Kelapa Gading saja, tak perlu seluruh Jakarta, dibanding Kuala Lumpur.

Bab lain tentang hal-hal internal di kandungan kehidupan bangsa Malaysia.Tentang posisi persaingan Melayu melawan etnik China dan India.Tentang konstelasi nilai pencapaian akademis mahasiswamahasiswa Indonesia di Malaysia. Tentang bandingan omzet Digi, Maxis, dan Celcom yang mencerminkan prestasi manajemen pada perusahaan-perusahaan ‘etnik’ di belakangnya.

Tentang dangdut dan campur sari,serta sejarah etos ekonomi di Chowkit. Tentang tukang batu, tukang kayu Jawa, bagaimana gerangan prestasi ekonomi mereka. Tentang peran masa depan TKW bagi anak-anak Malaysia. Tentang bangsa yang menghindari ”3D”: dirty, difficult, dangerous....

Tetapi semuanya itu sebenarnya tak perlu diungkap.Kalau SBY punya kalimat yang memenuhi kepiawaian diplomatik sekaligus keindahan budaya dan kearifan rohani, segera semua bisa dieliminasi. Kecuali memilih seperti Bung Karno: ”Ganyang Malaysia!”, meskipun terpaksa kita tambahi ”Tapi selamatkan Siti Nurhaliza”. Atau mungkin bisa duta SBY dan perutusan Pak Lah duduk bersama, kemudian bikin pernyataan bersama.

Bangsa Malaysia adalah bangsa yang sebaiknya dipangku disayang oleh bangsa Indonesia. Soal ribut-ribut hak cipta itu silakan pilih beberapa jalan berpikir, misalnya: ”O, itu orang Jawa Sunda Bugis Ambon sendiri yang berbaju Malaysia yang menggoda Indonesia melalui Rasa Sayange dll supaya bangsa Indonesia bangun dari tidurnya, marah, dan bertindak sungguh-sungguh untuk membangun kembali dan membela martabatnya.

Klaim dan godaan itu dilakukan bersumber dari kandungan rahasia rasa nasionalisme "anak turunan" kita sendiri di Malaysia....

” Menantu Rasulullah Muhammad SAW, Ali ibn Abi Thalib, menang duel, musuh tergeletak dengan ujung pedang Ali di lehernya. Si musuh meludahi wajah Ali, sehingga Ali menarik pedangnya, ngeloyor pergi meninggalkan musuh yang sebenarnya dengan satu gerakan kecil bisa ditumpasnya.

Ketika ditanya, Ali menjawab: ”Karena diludahi, aku meninggalkannya. Karena aku takut gerak ujung pedangku digerakkan oleh amarah, bukan bergerak karena Allah”. Kita tak perlu pergi seperti Ali, sebab kita sangat besar: kita pangku saja Malaysia. (*)

EMHA AINUN NADJIB (source: http://www.seputar-indonesia.com/edisiceta...ara-indon.html)
skyisdalimit
QUOTE(firdausj @ Nov 23 2007, 07:13 PM) [snapback]3327214[/snapback]
Malaysias think that they are a great great nation, but actually they are not ....
So, as Indonesians, it will be better if we, as "friend and brother" can assist them to re-cover from their "inferiority complex" behavior ..
I agree with Emha .. take a positive side for this case ...

btw who is the writer of this essay ? it is a very well written one. i like this part the best, ali meninggalkan musuhnya karena ia takut ayunan pedangnya dipicu oleh amarah bukan karena perintah Allah. I may not be a moslem, but i think this is really good. actually, i have been tryin to control my emotion so that i could be objective when i am encountering the endless claims by our beloved neighbour, Malaysia. But i am still human, frankly, i do sometimes feel that they are too much. (may be we did something wrong with them in the past and they want to avenge it, i have no idea). But the most important thing that i get after reading the article is i could just leave the enemy like what Ali had done. If we are right, the world soon will found out itself. btw, can someone post the link of the claims, so that we all here can be assured that the information about the claims are reliable.
what is the meaning of ganyang malaysia ?
kelapa
QUOTE(skyisdalimit @ Nov 23 2007, 01:29 PM) [snapback]3327305[/snapback]
btw who is the writer of this essay ? it is a very well written one. i like this part the best, ali meninggalkan musuhnya karena ia takut ayunan pedangnya dipicu oleh amarah bukan karena perintah Allah. I may not be a moslem, but i think this is really good. actually, i have been tryin to control my emotion so that i could be objective when i am encountering the endless claims by our beloved neighbour, Malaysia. But i am still human, frankly, i do sometimes feel that they are too much. (may be we did something wrong with them in the past and they want to avenge it, i have no idea). But the most important thing that i get after reading the article is i could just leave the enemy like what Ali had done. If we are right, the world soon will found out itself. btw, can someone post the link of the claims, so that we all here can be assured that the information about the claims are reliable.
what is the meaning of ganyang malaysia ?


Lho kan di bawah sudah tertulis: Emha Ainun Nadjib, bapaknya Letto. Btw, riwayat tentang Ali itu tertulis di salah satu hadits (tp seinget aku tokohnya Umar bin Khattab). Sudah pernah dengar di suatu khutbah jumat. Funny is, a friend of mine who is an Arab, has never heard about this (?). Yes, I think some clearances between both parties will soon end this uneasy situation.

"Ganyang" means "crunch", "eat" (with great appetite)
skyisdalimit
sorry. btw kelapa, i didnt know that Emha Ainun Nadjib is letto father. wait, letto is the name of the band rite. do you mean the vocalist of letto ?
kelapa
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sorry. btw kelapa, i didnt know that Emha Ainun Nadjib is letto father. wait, letto is the name of the band rite. do you mean the vocalist of letto ?


Yes, I mean the vocalist, Noe. icon_redface.gif icon_redface.gif
babyshanker
i hate when people try to claim your heritage
Goombaking209
A lot of nations do this.
skyisdalimit
di post #16, di quotenya fidausj, di sana dikatakan bahwasanya mentri2 malaysia mengeluhkan bahwa pers indonesia terlalu membesar2kan masalah. in other words, they have admitted that they claimed indonesian culture but try to blame the media for fanning the fury among the indonesians. dasar MALINGSIA, udah nyolong pake nyalahin org lain pula.
Bhaskara
@goomby: I know what you mean. In a way, we're on the same boat icon_wink.gif

@sky: It's very hard for them to understand the meaning of freedom of press, 'cos it's all controlled by the government in their country thumbsdown.gif
firdausj
Hahaha ... Merasa terpojok bikin perilaku Malingsia makin aneh dan konyol aja .....

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Bahasa Indonesia Diklaim Malaysia

DIPONEGORO, (GM).- Negara jiran Malaysia mengancam akan mengklaim bahasa nasional Indonesia sebagai bahasa Melayu (bahasa Malaysia). "Pemerintah Malaysia akan mengklaim bahasa Indonesia sebagai bahasa Melayu. Karena bahasa Melayu adalah bahasa Malaysia," ujar Wakil Duta Besar Malaysia untuk Indonesia, Datuk Abdul Azis Harun kepada wartawan di sela-sela helaran "Kemilau Nusantara 2007" di Gedung Sate Bandung, Minggu (25/11).

Ancaman tersebut, katanya, akan dilaksanakan apabila masyarakat dan pemerintah Indonesia masih mempermasalahkan klaim Malaysia terhadap kesenian reog Ponorogo dan lagu "Rasa Sayange".

Menurutnya, lagu "Rasa Sayange" dibuat pada 1907 dan reog Ponorogo jauh lebih tua karena muncul saat bangsa Indonesia belum lahir. Yang ada pada waktu itu, baik Indonesia maupun Malaysia satu rumpun dan disebut Nusantara.

"Masyarakat dan pemerintah Malaysia menganggap Indonesia dengan Malaysia adalah bagian dari Nusantara. Munculnya permasalahan ini, karena bangsa Indonesia mempersempit arti Nusantara tersebut," tambahnya.

Sedangkan negara-negara yang masuk ke dalam Nusantara itu, ujarnya, selain Indonesia dan Malaysia, ada Singapura, Brunei Darussalam, dan Thailand bagian selatan. Jadi apabila ada kesenian lagu tradisional Indonesia yang berkembang di Malaysia, hal itu merupakan sesuatu yang wajar, karena kesenian itu dibawa oleh suku-suku di Indonesia ke Malaysia sejak ratusan tahun lalu.

"Suku-suku di Indonesia datang bersama seni dan budaya tradisional dan dikembangkan di Malaysia. Kami tidak mungkin memisahkan mereka dengan seni budayanya," ujarnya.

Abdul Azis pun menyebutkan, pemerintah Indonesia dan Malaysia telah membicarakan masalah yang saat ini ramai diperbincangkan, seperti seni reog Ponorogo dan lagu "Rasa Sayange". Dalam pembicaraan tersebut, katanya, pemerintah Malaysia lebih mengedepankan persatuan Nusantara. "Namun secara detailnya, saya tidak tahu hasil dari pembicaraan antara Menteri Kebudayaan dan Pariwisata RI dan Menteri Kebudayaan Malaysia," paparnya.

Dia pun menyebutkan, kasus kesenian tradisional reog Ponorogo dan lagu "Rasa Sayange" ini menjadi ramai lebih karena pers Indonesia. Sedangkan pers Malaysia sendiri, tambahnya, tidak terlalu membesar-besarkan masalah tersebut. "Pasalnya, kedua kesenian tersebut sudah ada di Malaysia sejak ratusan tahun lalu, yang dibawa orang Indonesia dan kemudian menetap di Malaysia," paparnya. (B.81)**

Source: http://www.klik-galamedia.com/20071126/kol...=20071126054353
musingx
Another claim ? hahah ha this time will be Bahasa Indonesia ?? C'mon this Malaysian Diplomat is not a real diplomat, dia ini cocoknya sebagai seorang ahli agitasi .

Di beri jantung, minta hati ..... keterlaluan

XxRyoChanxX
^ I think u meant beri hati minta jantung..

i can't believe they're claiming bahasa indonesia as malaysian.
milanogirl
please join this thread
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/malaysia
para malon sakit jiwa juga rupanya
Bhaskara
Hahaha, what a laugh!! This is all the superior Malaysia could came up with as a counter attack? Well, listen to this: we have avery right to use Bahasa Melayu, (and our Bahasa Melayu Riau got nothing to do with your silly-sounding Malaysian Malay).

Remember, the cradle of Malay civilization is in Indonesia, not Malaysia! What was the grandest of all Malay kingdoms? It was Sriwijaya Empire! They were the ones who spread the Malay culture to all over our archipelago. And where was the capital of this mighty empire? It was in Palembang, South Sumatra, present-day Indonesia!

So yes, we have every right to use the language which was born and highly developed in the blessed land of Sumatra. It was where Malay language flourished, with powerful literatures that outlined the whole Malay civilization.

Sumatran Malays created their own scripts (rejang, rencong, lampung, etc), each are beautiful and very sophisticated when peninsular Malays were left in the darkness with their illiteracy. While Peninsular Malays were just some backwater villagers on the sidelines, Sumatran Malays reached their glorious days, ruling from Southern Siam, to the Philippines, until Eastern Indonesia.

I repeat, our Malay Indonesian sisters and brothers are the only ones who can claim as the true guardians of Malay culture, including the language. Yet, we never claim that Malaysian Malay as our language, because we know that it's a part of your culture too. Unlike Reog, Angklung, Batik etc that wasn't part of Malay culture", and wasn't in your attention at all until recently.
furansizuka
The ambassador of Malaysia has admited that Barong is influenced by Reog Ponorogo, and that Barong is actually came from Javanese culture that was brought by Javanese to Malaysia years ago. The lecturer of Malaka University or something like that (I can't remember his name), also said that only Reog/Barong is not recognized by Malays generally and actually this reog or what they call 'barong' is only played between Javanese community in Malaysia. This direct statement came from the interview on Radio Elshinta.
firdausj
claudia
QUOTE(firdausj @ Nov 23 2007, 06:13 AM) [snapback]3327214[/snapback]
Malaysias think that they are a great great nation, but actually they are not ....
So, as Indonesians, it will be better if we, as "friend and brother" can assist them to re-cover from their "inferiority complex" behavior ..
I agree with Emha .. take a positive side for this case ...


Positive side can be excepted but if it just keep happening than it's not brother and sisters anymore rather looking for trouble.
Sharying things with neighbours, sister, brother or anyone is ok but this is different and not about those little thing but big thing that can change anything, from positive turn up to be negative and may not effected today but in the future such our childrens, grandchildrens.
Example: How can we tell them not to copy or stealing if ourself like that?

'Be yourself' is a really nice start for people to be proud of.
furansizuka
QUOTE(firdausj @ Dec 2 2007, 04:26 AM) [snapback]3342484[/snapback]

rotflmao.gif who the hell made this comic?
Bhaskara
Hahaha, that comic strip is funny. But I don't think Malaysia would ever do that, it's too chicken to do that. They only dare to steal from its neighbor which is poor with unpopular (but very refined) culture
Bhaskara
-oops, sorry, double post icon_redface.gif
furansizuka
that's why I wonder who made it laugh.gif It's not The Jakarta Post, I bet.
Bhaskara
Nooo.... last time I checked the Jakarta Post only include comic strips that are politically correct (and foreign) icon_wink.gif
musingx
QUOTE(furansizuka @ Dec 3 2007, 11:58 AM) [snapback]3344253[/snapback]
that's why I wonder who made it laugh.gif It's not The Jakarta Post, I bet.


As far as I know it's created by one of Indonesian Ruby coder
Check http://chickenstrip.wordpress.com/

musingx
I came by to this thread about the Bali Barong Dance by Malaysian, http://www.topix.com/forum/world/malaysia/TAIVQ14R2RI6V0FSB on Topix.net ( thx milanogirl for the info of Topix.net).

Anyone have information on this ? are they really Malaysian ? , this is just ridiculous fake barong dance, whoever perform this fake barong dance, they must be out of their mind, Bali barong dance for Debus-a-like performance ?????? what a joke

This is the original Bali Barong Dance, no doubt.
Bhaskara
Hahaha, after stealing from the Javanese, Ambonese, Sundanese and Minangkabau people, now it's Balinese turn? Hahaha, what a laugh. What a pitiful country, Malaysia, they can only steal 'cos they don't have any real identity on their own. embarassedlaugh.gif

The ironic part is, Malaysians look down and hate the Balinese as they see Balinese people as pagan, idol-worshipers. Now they are stealing from the people they despise? Hahaha... how low can you go, Malaysia?
HangPC2
Barongan In Malaysia


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Writer: Yusrizal Mohd Yusof
Artist: Mohammad Yazid Kamal Baharin
Fythullah Hamzah
Mohd Munadzam Samsudin
Nor Azri Norazmi
Cover Artist: Mahathir Buang
Editor: Saiful Halmi Mohamad Dam


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http://alyridura.multiply.com/jo ... _Bahasa_dan_Pustaka

http://kromosomblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/b...di-pasaran.html






Barongan (Metal Berqasidah Band)


http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumpulan_Barongan
Bhaskara
Great, while you're at it why don't you make comics on "Malaysian" version of the Chinese Lion Dance? Change the plot to some Islamic prophet taming the lion? Oh I forgot, you won't have the nerve to do that kind of thing to China, you only dare to do such thing to Indonesia icon_neutral.gif
singapak2
cool!!
Barongan is practised in Singapore by few organisations.. normally Barongan "dances/performance" come together with Kuda Kepang(called in Singapore, but it is called Kuda "something" in Indonesia)

The only way to watch them is at Malay weddings, but only some Malay weddings have them.
I enjoy seeing the possessed "human-horse" eating glasses.. hahaha.. and the sound of Gamelan

The reason why we Singaporean Malays have lots of Indonesian culture etc, cuz
our greatgrandparents came from Indonesia(however at the point they came to Singapore, there's no such thing as Republic of Indonesia)
so i donno if we are considered as Indonesian descends or just Javanese/Malay/Bugis/Boyanese/Minang ethnics..

below is video of Kuda Kepang taking place at a Malay wedding in Singapore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_LOgaffJF0...feature=related
a little bit of Barongan at a Malay wedding(but the music is a mix of Kompang and "Javanese sound")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CUDlRPT7MA

Thanks
Bhaskara
^It's called Jaran Kepang/Jaran Lumping/Kuda Kepang/Kuda Lumping here in Indonesia. "Jaran" being the Javanese word for "horse", but "kuda" is also commonly used.

Miss Suriname who competed in Miss World 2007 wore a complete costume of the Kuda Lumping dance, complete with the hobby-horse. But there were no objections from Indonesians, in fact we loved the fact that our sister in far away place still holds onto her tradition.

Why? Because unlike Malaysia, Suriname has no problem admitting that it's a Javanese heritage.
tangawizi
Singapak, what was the main dancer doing in the kuda kepang - Tangling 2003 video? Was he smoking marijuana from the ashes??
Bhaskara
I thought the religious Muslim Malays look down on our trance dances which we got from our non-Islamic ancestors.... and yet....
tangawizi
SG Muslims are not that hung up about erasing their Hindu past... it's the Malaysian Muslim elites who have the agenda of erasing their hindu past, cuz of their inferiority complex.... they wanna mimic oil-rich sheikhs and rhetorical holy imams rather than loin clothed sadhus..
claudia
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I came by to this thread about the Bali Barong Dance by Malaysian, http://www.topix.com/forum/world/malaysia/TAIVQ14R2RI6V0FSB on Topix.net ( thx milanogirl for the info of Topix.net).

Anyone have information on this ? are they really Malaysian ? , this is just ridiculous fake barong dance, whoever perform this fake barong dance, they must be out of their mind, Bali barong dance for Debus-a-like performance ?????? what a joke

This is the original Bali Barong Dance, no doubt.



Hahahaha, from the first time I click the link I can recognised the real Bali Barong Dance, noty need to have a look at the video but when I click the Malaysian Barongan, there's no way I would be able to recognise them.

PS: Do you think that the tourist who ever came to Bali wouldn't recognise the Barong Dance?
singapak2
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Singapak, what was the main dancer doing in the kuda kepang - Tangling 2003 video? Was he smoking marijuana from the ashes??


the smoke,ashes were actually called "kemenyan" in BM/BI but i donno what isit called in English..
when they "smell" and sniff in the "kemenyan", they'll get high and turn into some retarded horse..

@Bhas: maybe you can explain more on the Kemenyan. And show some pics or video of Kuda Lumping in Indonesia cuz my maid said its more violent in Indonesia..
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