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bluelakedragon
what a courageous young lawyers here:

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HANOI (AFP) - A Vietnamese court on Tuesday cut the jail terms of two pro-democracy activists in an unusually charged appeal hearing in which the dissidents remained defiant against the one-party communist state.


The Hanoi court reduced the prison sentence of human rights lawyer Nguyen Van Dai, 38, from five years to four, and the sentence of his 28-year-old colleague Le Thi Cong Nhan from four years to three.

But it upheld their May convictions under article 88 of spreading propaganda against the state, charges the two non-violent political activists rejected in their final words to the People's Supreme Court appeal hearing.

"I reject both trials because they never would have brought a fair and objective sentence for me," said Dai, flanked by two police officers. "The reason for my struggle is the lack of democracy and human rights in Vietnam."

Nhan also openly challenged the court, in a hearing that was watched via closed circuit television by foreign media and diplomats, calmly telling the panel that it was "still on the wrong path."

"Even if I had been freed today, it would have been like being moved from a small to a big prison," she said. "I would continue to express my opinion."

The two were jailed in May for their Internet writings, interviews with foreign media, and meetings they held with university students to discuss democracy. They were arrested in March as part of a wider crackdown.

Unlike in previous such trials, the lawyers at times adopted an openly political tone, which led judges to repeatedly cut them off.

One of the defence lawyers, Dang Trong Dung, argued that both his clients had only exercised their rights to free speech, as guaranteed by the Vietnamese constitution and under international law.

"According to international conventions that Vietnam has signed or is a member to, and which have been approved by the National Assembly, citizens have the right to express their views freely and independently," he said.

"Vietnam has become a member of the WTO (World Trade Organisation) and a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council (from January 2008). Therefore, Vietnam should respect the international conventions that it has signed."

He added that "it is necessary to reconsider article 88. It is necessary to redefine the notion of propaganda."

Another defence lawyer, Dam Van Hieu, said: "Dai's words about democracy and pluralism are his personal views... No law in the world imposes punishment for personal views which are expressed peacefully."

Vietnam, a one-party state, says it does not punish anyone for their political opinions and only prosecutes criminals for breaking the law.

Tran Lam, another defence lawyer, said: "Vietnamese leaders on overseas trips have often said there are no political courts. But here, when we are talking about human rights and democracy, we are in a political court."

Dai's lawyer Bui Quang Nghiem also argued article 88 was unconstitutional.

"If a law runs counter to reality and international conventions, courage is needed to change or modify it," he said. "Dai and Nhan are innocent, and I ask for their freedom."

But at the end of the six-hour hearing, the court upheld the convictions.

The judges accepted the prosecutors' recommendation of a one-year term cut for each defendant, citing their clean criminal records and the fact that their activism had been discovered before causing serious harm to the state.

Dai faces an additional four years under house arrest after his release from prison, and Nhan three years.

Outside the closely policed court building, Nhan's mother told AFP: "I don't agree with the verdict of this court. My daughter is a patriot. She has done everything to make this country better."
Englanda
I can't understand why anyone would want to criticise the Communist Party confused.gif

bluelakedragon
QUOTE(Englanda @ Nov 29 2007, 02:58 PM) *
I can't understand why anyone would want to criticise the Communist Party confused.gif



cute school girl and pretty picture btw...
Hope she grows up to a country where she can freely expresses herself and not afraid to speak her mind. biggthumpup.gif
thumbsUp
QUOTE(bluelakedragon @ Nov 29 2007, 06:19 PM) *
cute school girl and pretty picture btw...
Hope she grows up to a country where she can freely expresses herself and not afraid to speak her mind. biggthumpup.gif


I believe you won't need to hope for much longer.
erie07
QUOTE(bluelakedragon @ Nov 29 2007, 05:19 PM) *
cute school girl and pretty picture btw...
Hope she grows up to a country where she can freely expresses herself and not afraid to speak her mind. biggthumpup.gif

She looks quite happy, perhaps because her country is peaceful and independent?

XigonCongchua
I'm happy as a child who grew up in Vietnam embarassedlaugh.gif
erie07
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Dec 1 2007, 07:58 PM) *
I'm happy as a child who grew up in Vietnam embarassedlaugh.gif

I bet you are not the only one. I am sure there are one or two more gowing up happily icon_wink.gif
XigonCongchua
QUOTE(erie07 @ Dec 1 2007, 07:03 PM) *
I bet you are not the only one. I am sure there are one or two more gowing up happily icon_wink.gif

one or two more? lol there is a whole bunch more. I'm sure most of my classmates in Vietnam grew up happily embarassedlaugh.gif
erie07
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Dec 1 2007, 10:30 PM) *
one or two more? lol there is a whole bunch more. I'm sure most of my classmates in Vietnam grew up happily embarassedlaugh.gif

You sounded like you guys having a good time growing up and there are few more happy princesses than I thought.

Bad-mouthing about the goverment is the Vietnamese's national pastime. The Vietnamese don't need some genius to teach them to do that.
bluelakedragon
QUOTE(erie07 @ Dec 1 2007, 10:03 PM) *
I bet you are not the only one. I am sure there are one or two more gowing up happily icon_wink.gif



good for you two: do most kids are happy?

playing with garbage and cigarette butts is entertaining too:

GenomVirues
Playing with garbage and eating BBQ snails, fish, and other critters out of polluted swarm, those were my good ol days living in Nam'. Those things help strengthen the immune system against harmful bacterias and viral agents, that explain why I rarely get sick. Kids should play in the dumpster more often...Be a good parent, build a tree house out of garbage and let them play in it ...don't forget to tell them to invite a friend. Giving your child a head start in life against modern day industrial pollution and future environmental disaster makes you a good parent. Do what's right. icon_wink.gif

yepp article 88 or HH or Heil Hitler stated that they have the right to imprison and punish reactionaries accordingly. Some reactionaries will be executed...no more revolution? Us VNCH cant rise no more? Its unfair, how are we going to get support from within? Well, better think of something new but better think fast if you want to see some war and killing in your life time.
bluelakedragon
QUOTE(thumbsUp @ Nov 29 2007, 06:41 PM) *
I believe you won't need to hope for much longer.


lol... laugh.gif

Tell me 1 forum website in Vietnam where you can express yourself without the VCP put the 88 (handcuffs) on you.

I only see you use this foreign forum and other alike to express yourself. Stop lying to yourself!


People like you keep saying Vietnam has freedom yet you have to use foreign websites like this to express yourself! confused.gif
nomad
QUOTE(bluelakedragon @ Dec 4 2007, 05:26 PM) *
lol... laugh.gif

Tell me 1 forum website in Vietnam where you can express yourself without the VCP put the 88 (handcuffs) on you.

I only see you use this foreign forum and other alike to express yourself. Stop lying to yourself!
People like you keep saying Vietnam has freedom yet you have to use foreign websites like this to express yourself! confused.gif

Intellectual honesty and consistency are not required to be a communist. In fact, it is taught to be avoided at all cost.
bluelakedragon
QUOTE(nomad @ Dec 5 2007, 11:51 PM) *
Intellectual honesty and consistency are not required to be a communist. In fact, it is taught to be avoided at all cost.


lol
here's another one:

commies like to talk about the 1956 election and how much they support free election then I ask them why not we have one NOW in Vietnam?

commie: oh...Viet "dan tri" is low, we can't have free election 'cuz people are basically "dumb"(according to commies)

me: but u support free election in 1956?

commie: hell yeah..... Communists is for the People and by the People. of course yeah

me: what was Viet "dan tri" back then?

commie: around 17%

me: and now?

commie: over 90%

me: so, do you think people now are in better shape to vote than before?

commie: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......(look dumb and speechless)

end of story

embarassedlaugh.gif
nomad
Ðồng chi´, Ðồng chi´!!!

For the benefits of the English speaking public, that is the Vietnamese equivalent of 'comrade' and loosely translated as 'same mind'. Basically, commies are the biggest 'sheeple' around.
asean.asia
Not speechless. Just people are not interested in your naively talk. kiss.gif
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