why is this exciting?

Wow, VN's very own arms smuggling & assasination plot, how exciting
Nguyễn Thị Thịnh
http://www.laodong.com.vn/avatar.aspx?ID=4...at=0&ts=236

Cây súng mang vào VN

Điều tra nhóm khủng bố Việt Tân: Vợ chồng Lê Văn Phan thừa nhận súng là của Việt Tân

Vào lúc 11 giờ 15 phút ngày 23.11.2007, trong khi kiểm tra hành lý xuất nhập cảnh, Hải quan sân bay Tân Sơn Nhất đã phát hiện trong valy hành lý ký gửi của vợ chồng Lê Văn Phan - Nguyễn Thị Thịnh một khẩu súng ngắn quân dụng hiệu Ruger, model P85, số súng 300-76577 cùng 13 viên đạn và một hộp tiếp đạn.

Ngay khi phát hiện những dấu hiệu bất thường, cán bộ hải quan yêu cầu bà Nguyễn Thị Thịnh bỏ hết đồ trong valy ra để kiểm tra công khai trước sự chứng kiến của vợ chồng bà Thịnh. Khá bất ngờ, khi soi hành lý không còn hàng hoá, máy soi cho thấy cây súng vẫn còn trong valy; tiếp tục kiểm tra, cán bộ hải quan xác định cây súng được xếp ở một ngăn phía ngoài và được bọc kín trong nhiều lớp nhựa.

Em này hỏi ngớ ngẩn wá à !

^ không thả thì bảo giam giữ người vô cớ, không có nhân quyền

thả rồi thì bảo tại sao lại thả khủng bố

bó tay bó bó tay

I like you XCCC because you seem to care about current events than video games and hello kitty. When I was your age, I was more in videos and cartoons than current news events.

I try very hard not to "nang loi" to you because i'm not that mean and rude like some other members in here. but I have to say, you're kinda naive and I understand and I hope you know that so you can be more careful in what you're going to say. regarding to this thread, please understand my point and intention and not the words I used. Hint: sarcasm written all over my last two posts in here. I know for sure some members get it and I hope you too or else I'm "bó tay " with you too.

I like you XGCC because you seem to care about current events than video games and hello kitty. When I was your age, I was more in videos and cartoons than current news events.

I try very hard not to "nang loi" to you because i'm not that mean and rude like some other members in here. but I have to say, you're kinda naive and I understand and I hope you know that so you can be more careful in what you're going to say. regarding to this thread, please understand my point and intention and not the words I used. Hint: sarcasm written all over my last two posts in here. I know for sure some members get it and I hope you too or else I'm "bó tay " with you too.

Sure you're not the naive one?

Think about it.. terrorist, what makes a person a terrorist? There's no single answer or definition for it. People have their different views and also different laws for them.
"I try very hard not to "nang loi" to you because i'm not that mean and rude like some other members in here."
I think their simple and straightforward attitude is more compelling than your fake complicated one but hey that's just me. I "bo tay" with your lame sarcasm.

As for the couples, nice try, but shame on them for the gun if its true.
I liked the other viet tan members more who tried a more peaceful method in VN.

Even you have doubt about the gun thing, here's an insight to help your doubt: when you are at LAX ( or major US airports), what do the security personnels have you do when u walk thru the security gate? Last time I was there they scanned everything on me and have my shoes off. and when I got to Vietnam: I didn't do this but I heard someone did: one guy handed the security $50 and there he went by the gate. Voila!!!!

With that in mind, back to the gun thing, do you think the gun, 13 bullets, and one extra magazine were there before they got the TSN? And in Vietnam, people get 5-6 years in prison for talking about democracy but why released someone who smuggled a gun into Vietnam? If the CSVN set this all up, what do u think of CSVN now???

Even you have doubt about the gun thing, here's an insight to help your doubt: when you are at LAX ( or major US airports), what do the security personnels have you do when u walk thru the security gate? Last time I was there they scanned everything on me and have my shoes off. and when I got to Vietnam: I didn't do this but I heard someone did: one guy handed the security $50 and there he went by the gate. Voila!!!!

With that in mind, back to the gun thing, do you think the gun, 13 bullets, and one extra magazine were there before they got the TSN? And in Vietnam, people get 5-6 years in prison for talking about democracy but why released someone who smuggled a gun into Vietnam? If the CSVN set this all up, what do u think of CSVN now???

This has to be a set up.

The last time I went through LAX airport with my mother, airport security gave her a hard time for carrying a pair of tweezers in her handbag. A gun and 13 bullets? Is Viet Tan that stupid and naive?

Who knows? Are you sure they were just "talking" about democracy?
I try not to make judgements based on doubts and what i think and hear.
If it really was a set up then I think they're pretty slick but bad of course.

I like you XGCC because you seem to care about current events than video games and hello kitty. When I was your age, I was more in videos and cartoons than current news events.

I'm willing to beg that Viet Tan is actually a Chinese organization.

Viet Tan and Community Leaders Welcome Ambassador Michalak to Little Saigon

* Viet Tan

October 14, 2007

Dr. Nguyen Trong Viet, member of Viet Tan, welcomes US Ambassador Michael Michalak and Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez to his home in Orange County

On Sunday, October 14, 2007, U.S. Ambassador to Vietnam Michael Michalak visited Little Saigon just after two months on the job. Before attending a community town hall meeting organized by Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez, Ambassador Michalak met with community leaders at a private reception hosted by Dr. and Mrs. Nguyen Trong Viet and Mr. and Mrs. Michael and Suzie Matsuda.

Dr. Nguyen Trong Viet welcomed the 60 guests to his home, among them Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez, Thomas J. Bohigian from Senator Barbara Boxer’s office and many community and religious leaders from throughout California. In attendance were young Vietnamese Americans representing the Union of Vietnamese Students Association of Southern California, Doan Thanh Nien Phan Boi Chau Youth for Democracy, Len Duong Youth Network, Vietnamese Alliance to Combat Trafficking and Viet Tan. In addition, local Vietnamese American media were present.

Quoc Phan (Len Duong Youth Network) poses question: How can the US protect Vietnamese Americans going to Vietnam to do NGO work?

Ambassador Michalak expressed his appreciation for the reception and was eager to hear everyone’s view on current issues in Vietnam. Before engaging in a discussion with the community leaders, Ambassador Michalak shared his three priorities: to push for human rights, to build and strengthen the economic relationship between the two countries, and to increase the number of students in Vietnam studying in the U.S. by 100 percent.

The discussion with Ambassador Michalak took place in the intimate setting of Dr. Nguyen Trong Viet’s living room. The community leaders expressed their concerns with the current human rights situation in Vietnam, including the land protests, trafficking of women and children, imprisonment of democracy activists Tran Khai Thanh Thuy, Father Nguyen Van Ly, Attorney Le Thi Cong Nhan and many more. Mr. Lac Nguyen, president of the Vietnamese Community of Southern California, presented to the Ambassador a letter detailing the concerns. Ms. Van Le, representing VietAct, also presented a letter highlighting views of Vietnamese American youth on the social injustices and lack of human rights. Mr. Quoc Phan, representing Len Duong Youth Network, asked about the safety of Vietnamese American who are interested in doing NGO work in Vietnam and whether they would be treated as local Vietnamese.

Viet Tan leaders meet with Ambassador Michael Michalak and Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez to discuss the democracy movement in Vietnam


Q&A session with the guests
Although time was limited, Ambassador Michalak responded to the questions in detail and was genuinely interested in what everyone had to say. He said that this would not be the last time he would be meeting with the Vietnamese American community and that he looks forward to future visits to report on the progress on promoting human rights.

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The original Viet Tan group was formed in the early 1980's and they owned all of those Pho Hoa restaurants throughout the US, France, Australia, etc. In recent years, their leader made peace with CSVN and is currently doing business in Vietnam. The group broke up into several fractions but still carry the same old anti-commie slogan.

It's best to stay clear from these extremists....

If leaders of Viet Tan made peace with CSVN, then why are they listed as terrorists?

any explanation why they smuggle guns to vietnam?

tinman why do you say that?

US Ambassador backs Viet Tan?

On December 11, US Ambassador to Vietnam Michael Michalak held a press conference in Ha Noi to deny that Viet Tan is a terrorist organization.

"Vietnam has said that Viet Tan is on their list of terrorist organizations. Viet Tan is not on any list that I know of, of American terrorist organizations," the diplomat said.

"We have seen no information that would support charges of terrorism that have been suggested by the local media," Michael Michalak added.

The ambassador also said that he knows Viet Tan is not a terrorist group from a website describing a Viet Tan meeting back in 2004 in Berlin. According to this website, Viet Tan claimed it advocated peaceful pro-democracy activities.

However, on November 27, deputy minister of public security Nguyen Van Huong did supply information and evidence relating to Viet Tan’s terrorist activities to the ambassador.

Ironically, while Michael Michalak believed what a website said about Viet Tan, he did not believe a senior Vietnamese official [Huong].

but why do they keep moaning about human rights and religious freedom? I don't see anything wrong with Vietnam.

If you feel comfortable with the commie regime, what on hell are you doing in the US, the pinnacle of capitalism and the godfather of all those "terrorist" activists who keep threatening "peace and unity" in VN ?

If I were you I could'nt wait to settle down in Vietnam.

If you feel comfortable with the commie regime, what on hell are you doing in the US, the pinnacle of capitalism and the godfather of all those "terrorist" activists who keep threatening "peace and unity" in VN ?

If I were you I could'nt wait to settle down in Vietnam.

If you feel comfortable with the commie regime, what on hell are you doing in the US, the pinnacle of capitalism and the godfather of all those "terrorist" activists who keep threatening "peace and unity" in VN ?

If I were you I could'nt wait to settle down in Vietnam.

That argument of yours won't work anymore. There are hundreds of thousands of expats who live and work in Vietnam including Viet Kieu.

Try another one.

It is called being 'two-faced' and being a coward at the same time.

Sure it does...Viet Kieus in Viet Nam are not there for political freedoms and rights they enjoys in the US, they are there for familial reasons first, and being subversives second. Whereas the commie lovers who are living the in the US continues to live in the US for the rights and freedoms their kinsmen hopes for. They certainly are not in the US in trying convert Americans to communism.

Is it me or you who are being two-faced here? My loyal is to Vietnam and I never hid it. For Sideley's question, I have said on the very early day I joined this forum that I would have not been here if my parents didn't bring me here, and if they let me, I'd go back to Vietnam. Seriously, I prefer the Saigon life style over the life style in Orange County.

What's wrong with going back to Vietnam to do business and help your country? Don't you hear of the saying "lá rụng về cội"?

Viet Kieu like nomad are in Vietnam because the communities in the US aren't as strong as they once were

Is it me or you who are being two-faced here? My loyal is to Vietnam and I never hid it. For Sideley's question, I have said on the very early day I joined this forum that I would have not been here if my parents didn't bring me here, and if they let me, I'd go back to Vietnam. Seriously, I prefer the Saigon life style over the life style in Orange County.
What's wrong with going back to Vietnam to do business and help your country? Don't you hear of the saying "lá rụng về cội"?

It is called being 'two-faced' and being a coward at the same time.

Sure it does...Viet Kieus in Viet Nam are not there for political freedoms and rights they enjoys in the US, they are there for familial reasons first, and being subversives second. Whereas the commie lovers who are living the in the US continues to live in the US for the rights and freedoms their kinsmen hopes for. They certainly are not in the US in trying convert Americans to communism.

^Thanks for the article blacklight, I always thought the VK population was around 3 million, but I guess it's actually 6 million today.

BTW, you know what they will say, it's VC propaganda, blah, blah, blah.

There's a difference between living in one country, and supporting the oppressive burden of the regime of this country. I used to live in VN, I had no choice and I knew little about outside world, my freedom was limited by what others allowed me to do, and I didn't stand it.
Now I'm living in a free country, I've choice to go back to VN and I went back to VN several time, have I betrayed my belief ? No, I went there to pay a visit to my impoverished relatives. I went there to pay a visit to the landscape, to the ancient places my ancestors built, just before they are confiscated by the local authorities to be turned into...land tax offices...

I've also a lot of expat who didn' want their children to be raised there: pollution, no access to free culture, no safety, unfairness...

I don't think you've ever lived a long time enough in Vietnam to understand life there. If life in Saigon were so ideal, There wouldn't be so many Vietnamese students trying to stay in the West after they have finished their studies. Not to mention those Vietnamese brides constantly in search for a foreign husband.

No one is talking about your loyalty to Viet Nam. The issue here is not about what is 'wrong' with either Viet Nam or the US but about which one is more tolerable in terms of individual rights and freedoms. I can find plenty things 'wrong' with the US without any help from anyone here. I call the commie lovers here 'two-faced cowards' because all they can do is talk about Viet Nam without having the courage to actually live under the despotic, corrupt and inept communist regime they so blindly support. Do not bother to tell me what your parents can or cannot do to you. If you are serious enough about wanting to go back to Viet Nam, the one you find 'nothing wrong' about, you would have done so.

if you don't like the life in Vietnam then it's your problem. i love it and that's all I need to say.

Không việc gì phải nhắc đến mấy chuyện cô dâu Việt Nam. Nước mình bây giờ không giàu như những nước khác, nhưng điều đó không có nghĩa là mình không yêu nó và xấu hổ vì nó. Mình không phải là một trong những kẻ chỉ yêu đất nước khi đất nước phồn vinh và chê bai đất nước khi đất nước nghèo đói. Nước mình có giàu có nghèo, có mạnh có yếu thế nào đi chăng nữa thì đó cũng là nơi quê cha đất tổ của mình mà.

^Thanks for the article blacklight, I always thought the VK population was around 3 million, but I guess it's actually 6 million today.

BTW, you know what they will say, it's VC propaganda, blah, blah, blah.

I didn't know there were that many Vietnamese living oversea. The Vietnamese American population is about 2 millions. I thought the population of Vietnamese oversea is like 5 millions.

An accomplished sucker of French colonialist cocks like you is not qualified to tell who is brave and who is not. As I said, you are a piece of garbage with zero credibility.

You're a loudmouth who is full of $hit as usual.

That goes will with your NCO accomplishment.

Some economic engines that are driving Vietnam, by Andrew S. Ross, Sun 16 Dec 2007
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...6/INUMTSV3D.DTL

""Viet Kieus." Attracted by the growing economy, increasing numbers of the Vietnamese diaspora (an estimated 6 million Vietnamese live abroad, including more than 500,000 in California), are returning home with their skills and capital to open small and medium-size businesses - boutiques, online music services, bars, restaurants, office equipment franchises. Others are applying their Western know-how at Vietnamese corporations and local companies. "I have friends working in architecture, banking, oil, real estate - all from the U.S. or France," said Nguyen Qui Duc, founder of KQED radio's now defunct "Pacific Time," who returned last year from San Francisco to live full-time in Hanoi. The Hanoi government is well aware of the Viet Kieus' potential and, I was told, is working on a plan to grant them dual citizenship."

How? I don't have money? I can't drive. and I'm under 18

Prove that communists are not very smart, else they would not be communists in the first place. The Viet Kieus you despise are the ones your beloved communists needed to repair the damages done to the people. Needless sufferings and miseries. I heard that Hanoi is the only place left on Earth that still has a statue of Lenin. Why? Does the Hanoi regime admire failure and incompetency that much? But in trying to get others to cover up for their screw-ups, they are going to offer me dual citizenships. So who are the real 'cocksuckers' now?

They were smart enough to drive away your French and American masters. They were smart enough to give you guys an @$$ kicking that 30+ years later you guys are still b!tching about it around the world. The Hanoi regime is smart enough to sustain 8% annual growth for the past 2 decades. And smart enough to be the real rulers of Vietnam with the overwhelming majority supporting them. Whereas losers like you cling on to your $hitty "little saigons" around the world, whereas they have the real one firmly in their grasp.

Ah...yes...The old 'French colonialist' canard whenever any commie lovers have no credible arguments. 'The French' is long gone. No Viet here is a product of that generation. Not even me. So the real accomplished 'cocksucker' here is YOU for swallowing whatever the despotic, corrupt and inept Hanoi regime spewed.

Kid...I lurked for nearly a year before signed on to this forum. The real loudmouths are the likes of YOU and your kind who so readily hurl insults at anyone who dares to be critical of the despotic, corrupt and inept communist regime in Viet Nam. Did I mention the communists in Viet Nam are despotic, corrupt and inept? Have to make sure.

That's 'Admiral' to you, sonny.

Prove that communists are not very smart, else they would not be communists in the first place. The Viet Kieus you despise are the ones your beloved communists needed to repair the damages done to the people. Needless sufferings and miseries. I heard that Hanoi is the only place left on Earth that still has a statue of Lenin. Why? Does the Hanoi regime admire failure and incompetency that much? But in trying to get others to cover up for their screw-ups, they are going to offer me dual citizenships. So who are the real 'cocksuckers' now?

But apparently not smart enough to convince 'two-faced cowards' like YOU to live in Viet Nam. If YOU are smart enough to live in the US that means they are just smart enough to know how stupid they are.

As I said, you are nothing but a sucker of French colonialist cocks - that's the beginning and the end of your credibility.
Am I supposed to give a $hit whether you lurked or did not lurk for one year? You were an enthusiastic sucker of French colonialist c@ck before and after you lurked, so what's the difference?.
Admiral in charge of your bathtub, most likely.
I doubt very much that the government would give a dual citizenship to a sucker of French colonialist cocks like you, when so many Viet Kieus are far more deserving. You ain't worth the oxygen you breathe.

You are repeating the same loser argument that I shot down, loser punk. There are tons of expats who live and work in Vietnam, so keep feeding yourself on your own $hit.

Admiral in charge of your bathtub, most likely.