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Crystallised Dream
QUOTE (SantaKlaws @ Jun 6 2009, 09:26 AM) *
Actually the Dayaks are short, dark-skinned and stupid. Chinese are short, dark-skinned and stupid too. It's only because of their recent admixture with the fair Hobbits from Middle Earth that some of them are fair-skinned and smart. Tallness is an anomalous reaction between Dayak/Chinese and Hobbit genes.


Hahaha what in the world... good answer but I'd still tell you to go to the butterflies!
SantaKlaws
QUOTE (Crystallised Dream @ Jun 6 2009, 12:37 PM) *
Hahaha what in the world... good answer but I'd still tell you to go to the butterflies!


But I hate butterflies!



The song by Carey is great though.
Crystallised Dream
QUOTE (SantaKlaws @ Jun 6 2009, 03:22 PM) *
But I hate butterflies!


I know... which is why I ask you to go to the butterflies icon_smile.gif

QUOTE (SantaKlaws @ Jun 6 2009, 03:22 PM) *


The song by Carey is great though.


Yo man, is that even a butterfly?!
SantaKlaws
QUOTE (Crystallised Dream @ Jun 7 2009, 11:31 AM) *
I know... which is why I ask you to go to the butterflies icon_smile.gif



Yo man, is that even a butterfly?!


First time you see a butterfly with its wings retracted? I hate insects.


Wait... is that a butterfly?

Ah, who cares.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgyYr7EY9hU
Crystallised Dream
QUOTE (SantaKlaws @ Jun 7 2009, 06:02 PM) *
First time you see a butterfly with its wings retracted? I hate insects.


Wait... is that a butterfly?

Ah, who cares.


Facepalm...

ps- the video by Carey 'is not available in your country'. Yesss

QUOTE (SantaKlaws @ Jun 7 2009, 06:02 PM) *


What in the world? Baksu? What does that mean? Disturbing video, since the only thing I understand is that they're doing some... movements.

Btw either you contribute to this thread or go visit a butterfly farm. embarassedlaugh.gif

northstar
Malaysian dream girl TV show:





MyEmpireSEG
QUOTE (northstar @ Jun 27 2009, 10:50 PM) *
Malaysian dream girl TV show:







In this pic, I would say 7 girls at least get part Chinese blood kiss.gif
AwangPembela
QUOTE (MyEmpireSEG @ Jun 28 2009, 04:10 PM) *
In this pic, I would say 7 girls at least get part Chinese blood kiss.gif

Precisely. How smart can you be?

Oh yeah. The majority of Malay girls r constrained by their culture, invisible rules, the Islamic Affairs Department etc. from taking part in such cattle markets. The prettier they are, the more likely they'd be more cosseted n sequestered in their highly protective family environments.

Any Malay girl you would see on such a cheap show would be one of average of less than average aesthetic appeal, in terms of pure, authentic physical beauty, minus all that alabaster. But then thats the best someone like you is gonna get. kiss.gif

By the way, I've seen countless local so called 'beauty pageants' mostly totally participated by your Chinese 'beauties'. You know, I'd be hard-pressed on any day - if requested - to point to anyone who could even blow a candle to my gf, my sister or cousin. Even my mother. All they've got to show for is their pale skin. Other than that, they'd all give the nighbourhood pontianak a good run for her money.
PerisaiLangkasuka
I can see where you're coming from, Awang. Just hv a look at that pathetic pic.

Chingkies hv this erroneous perception that: "That girl has fair skin. Therefore she is beautiful."

They're just not capable of understanding that complete female beauty includes facial bone structure, eye shape n structure, nose shape n structure, chin shape n structure, overall balance, body-length to leg-length ratio. In all of these, overall, I'm sad to say, Chinese cant match Malays n Indians.

Chinese slant/slit eyes, n their short Mongoloid bow legs, r just a total turn off for me.
MyEmpireFKG
QUOTE (PerisaiLangkasuka @ Jun 29 2009, 06:13 AM) *
I can see where you're coming from, Awang. Just hv a look at that pathetic pic.

Chingkies hv this erroneous perception that: "That girl has fair skin. Therefore she is beautiful."

They're just not capable of understanding that complete female beauty includes facial bone structure, eye shape n structure, nose shape n structure, chin shape n structure, overall balance, body-length to leg-length ratio. In all of these, overall, I'm sad to say, Chinese cant match Malays n Indians.

Chinese slant/slit eyes, n their short Mongoloid bow legs, r just a total turn off for me.

MyEmpireFKG
QUOTE (AwangPembela @ Jun 29 2009, 05:57 AM) *
Precisely. How smart can you be?

Oh yeah. The majority of Malay girls r constrained by their culture, invisible rules, the Islamic Affairs Department etc. from taking part in such cattle markets. The prettier they are, the more likely they'd be more cosseted n sequestered in their highly protective family environments.

Any Malay girl you would see on such a cheap show would be one of average of less than average aesthetic appeal, in terms of pure, authentic physical beauty, minus all that alabaster. But then thats the best someone like you is gonna get. kiss.gif

By the way, I've seen countless local so called 'beauty pageants' mostly totally participated by your Chinese 'beauties'. You know, I'd be hard-pressed on any day - if requested - to point to anyone who could even blow a candle to my gf, my sister or cousin. Even my mother. All they've got to show for is their pale skin. Other than that, they'd all give the nighbourhood pontianak a good run for her money.

I would not discount miracles like that, maybe all the better looking malay girls hide in the woodwork or somewhere kiss.gif
northstar
QUOTE (AwangPembela @ Jun 29 2009, 05:57 AM) *
Precisely. How smart can you be?

Oh yeah. The majority of Malay girls r constrained by their culture, invisible rules, the Islamic Affairs Department etc. from taking part in such cattle markets. The prettier they are, the more likely they'd be more cosseted n sequestered in their highly protective family environments.

Any Malay girl you would see on such a cheap show would be one of average of less than average aesthetic appeal, in terms of pure, authentic physical beauty, minus all that alabaster. But then thats the best someone like you is gonna get. kiss.gif

By the way, I've seen countless local so called 'beauty pageants' mostly totally participated by your Chinese 'beauties'. You know, I'd be hard-pressed on any day - if requested - to point to anyone who could even blow a candle to my gf, my sister or cousin. Even my mother. All they've got to show for is their pale skin. Other than that, they'd all give the nighbourhood pontianak a good run for her money.


If Malay girls do not participate beauty pageants and TV shows because of cultural and religious issues, that's fine.
There is no need to bad mouth beauty pageants and TV shows, let other enjoy them.
BTW, I know Malay girls have participated and won Miss Malaysia beauty pageants before.

Also, if you don't like the way Chinese Malaysian girl look, then don't look them, don't date them, don't marry them.
Let them have fun with those beauty pageants and TV shows.
northstar
Miss Malaysia 2009 Joanna Ng Li Vun













AwangPembela
QUOTE (northstar @ Jun 29 2009, 05:24 PM) *
If Malay girls do not participate beauty pageants and TV shows because of cultural and religious issues, that's fine.
There is no need to bad mouth beauty pageants and TV shows, let other enjoy them.
BTW, I know Malay girls have participated and won Miss Malaysia beauty pageants before.

Also, if you don't like the way Chinese Malaysian girl look, then don't look them, don't date them, don't marry them.
Let them have fun with those beauty pageants and TV shows.

I dont need your advice, dude. Redirect it to your friends Mr. Whine Ming n Mr. MyEmpire. They're the ones who started it. They'll get more from me n also others if they try it again.

Oh, I do enjoy beauty pageants too, whatever ethnicity is participating. You should just know from my siggy. But when someone starts shooting their mouth off unnecessarily, I just cant help shooting mine too.
AwangPembela
QUOTE (MyEmpireFKG @ Jun 29 2009, 02:10 PM) *
I would not discount miracles like that, maybe all the better looking malay girls hide in the woodwork or somewhere

You hv a beautiful sister? How about you lend her to me for a night or two then. kiss.gif

Let me make an assessment. Let me see if she's really worth my time without all that lipstick, lotion, cream, mascara, eye shadow etc. etc. etc. Then I'll tell you her score later. kiss.gif

But then, she'd still be short-legged, bow-legged n slant-eyed, right? kiss.gif
Crystallised Dream
QUOTE (AwangPembela @ Jul 5 2009, 12:46 AM) *
You hv a beautiful sister? How about you lend her to me for a night or two then. kiss.gif

Let me make an assessment. Let me see if she's really worth my time without all that lipstick, lotion, cream, mascara, eye shadow etc. etc. etc. Then I'll tell you her score later. kiss.gif

But then, she'd still be short-legged, bow-legged n slant-eyed, right? kiss.gif



Chinese people are short and bow-legged? Not true lah Awang. In fact what you are saying sounds more like the Japanese, who are more well known for such traits. Malays are generally long-legged, but I would say the Chinese have a higher percentage of long-legged people, and Indians the highest. But they all have beautiful women.

edit: And nothing wrong with monolids... I have Malay friends who fall for 'slant-eyed' girls. Our perception of beauty are all different, and none more superior than the other.
Protoculture
QUOTE (Crystallised Dream @ Jul 7 2009, 02:39 AM) *
Chinese people are short and bow-legged? Not true lah Awang. In fact what you are saying sounds more like the Japanese, who are more well known for such traits. Malays are generally long-legged, but I would say the Chinese have a higher percentage of long-legged people, and Indians the highest. But they all have beautiful women.

edit: And nothing wrong with monolids... I have Malay friends who fall for 'slant-eyed' girls. Our perception of beauty are all different, and none more superior than the other.


Not so sure if my reply concurrent with the thread is going, but I do still believed it is relevant to the quote above.

I made this posts waaaayyyyyyyyyy back in December 2005, in Intermarriage In Malaysia thread:

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Hell, I just ploughed the entire 6 pages full of crap on interracial relationships ....

Guys, I'm a proponent & strong advocate of interacial marriages, regardless the spouse is Asian, African or Caucasian ethnicity.

Most Malay guys I know dreamed about getting Chinese chicks. Malay gals lusting after Bollywood heroes (never know what the heck are they so ga-ga toward less & average Bangladeshis) ... its all our not so secret dream.

Me ... got hook up on local Bornean tribes chicks .... the Orang Ulu chicks are simply to die for, or even several Borneo Heights Bidayuh gals ....

God created men & women in various races, for many reason .... let's think that perhaps intermarriages is one of it.

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Why do we Malay boys like slanty-eyed Oriental chicks (like Japanese, or Chinese, even Koreans)?

One simple FACT ... we CAN'T get 'em .... its likely 1 in 100 Malay gus that can bagged a Chinese chick.

But hey, I ain't complaining. Despite everything. I'd settle for a Malay chick because to preserve Malay values. Besides, Malay chicks are likelier more refined in their manners compared to others. I think I'd settled for a simple Malay girl from a kampung .... or make that a Bidayuh / Orang Ulu gal from simple village.

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Bud, it ain't marginalising, just simple observation .... how many Malays bag a Chinese gals/guys ?

We can count 'em with our fingers.

But don't stop hearing the depressing news, do your best to get 'em Oriental chicks ... perhaps gonna do wonders to ya!


Women are beautiful creatures, despite ethnicities or racial barriers. Be thankful to God for creating such exotic pleasing female species on this very planet.

theng
QUOTE (Protoculture @ Jul 7 2009, 04:53 PM) *
Women are beautiful creatures, despite ethnicities or racial barriers. Be thankful to God for creating such exotic pleasing female species on this very planet.


Very well-said lol icon_redface.gif Beauty is indeed very subjective, what u find flaws might be gems in another's eyes

Even as a female, I tend to be attracted to (not in a sexual way, but sheer admiration icon_redface.gif ) those Iban, Bidayuh or girls from other indigenous groups in Borneo. A lot of them in my uni!!!
MyEmpireCCG
QUOTE (AwangPembela @ Jul 4 2009, 11:46 AM) *
You hv a beautiful sister? How about you lend her to me for a night or two then. kiss.gif

Let me make an assessment. Let me see if she's really worth my time without all that lipstick, lotion, cream, mascara, eye shadow etc. etc. etc. Then I'll tell you her score later. kiss.gif

But then, she'd still be short-legged, bow-legged n slant-eyed, right? kiss.gif


Malay are tall? I am sure in a world where pigs can fly malays can be considered tall

Check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

However in this world, the tallest malay I met is one head shorter comparing to me, as for looks, I bet in the end, we all know who looks better and no, none of my sisters get much interests in a malay you know kiss.gif
Crystallised Dream
QUOTE (MyEmpireCCG @ Jul 8 2009, 07:41 PM) *
Malay are tall? I am sure in a world where pigs can fly malays can be considered tall

Check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

However in this world, the tallest malay I met is one head shorter comparing to me, as for looks, I bet in the end, we all know who looks better and no, none of my sisters get much interests in a malay you know kiss.gif


Haha are the stats even accurate? That's Wikipedia man! I'm surprised Malaysia has a similar height average with Nigeria! A couple of years back my church had a special mass for the Nigerian students that worship there as their national holiday fell on a Sunday. There were a lot of Nigerians congregating there and I tell you they were all much taller than we were, including the ladies! My college also has a number of Nigerian students and I think the shortest one is around 5' 1" or 5' 2". In fact I think he's one of the very few short Nigherians in my college.

By the way there are a number of tall non-Chinese people here... I should say they can almost rival the heights of Malaysian Chinese. And unfortunately it's happening in a world where pigs don't fly. embarassedlaugh.gif
Protoculture
Height & stature are subjective. Look @ Japanese, they supposed to be shorter even for average Asians before 1950s, after a significant change in diet in post-WW2 in Japan, nearly next generation of Japanese & its successive generations turn out to be taller!

I've met Malays who're quite tall, some over 6 feet, perhaps that's due to genes & healthy lifestyle.
PerisaiLangkasuka
QUOTE (MyEmpireCCG @ Jul 8 2009, 06:41 AM) *
Malay are tall? I am sure in a world where pigs can fly malays can be considered tall

Check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

However in this world, the tallest malay I met is one head shorter comparing to me, as for looks, I bet in the end, we all know who looks better and no, none of my sisters get much interests in a malay you know kiss.gif

Thats what Chingkies like you still don't understand. You just hv ZERO understanding of OVERALL, HARMONIOUS, WELL-PROPORTIONED beauty. With, nice, rounded, well-shaped body, boobs n bum. Which is not normally found - sad to say - in a typical Chinese female.

What Awang meant was BALANCE, i.e. the RATIO between TORSO (upper body, minus the legs) length and LEG length. He was NOT talking about ABSOLUTE height.

Just to make sure your ARSEHOLE brain will now understand, what Awang meant is that in a Chinese girl of height 172 cm (about 5 ft 8 in) nearly half of that, i.e. 86 cm would be in the TORSO, n ONLY another half, i.e. also 86 cm, would be in the LEGS.

Whereas, in a Malay girl also of height 172 cm, a larger RATIO of it would be in the legs, say 96 cm. Leaving only about 76 cm in her TORSO.

An Indian girl would hv an even larger LEG LENGTH to TORSO LENGTH ratio. We're talking about the average, typical person here. These r natural biological traits among different ethnicities. Observed through scientific observation.

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renzokuken
not really pretty but id tap them all anytime
salamat
hi I just want to ask a question.....
do you think this girl could pass for malay???

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9016/marchphotoshoot006.jpg
Crystallised Dream
QUOTE (salamat @ Nov 25 2009, 08:51 PM) *
hi I just want to ask a question.....
do you think this girl could pass for malay???

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9016/marchphotoshoot006.jpg


Yea.
salamat
QUOTE (Crystallised Dream @ Nov 25 2009, 07:57 AM) *
Yea.


really??? what makes u say yes???
Crystallised Dream
QUOTE (salamat @ Nov 25 2009, 10:00 PM) *
really??? what makes u say yes???


Nothing specific, just the overall look. She almost looks like my Malay friend, albeit with thinner eyebrows and is slightly slimmer.

edit:
The Malay friend I am talking about, on the far left. Don't mind the watermark, it's mine.




The Malays of Malaysia have very diverse looks, they can look Indian, Arab, even Chinese, although there is always this distinct Malay look. Or do you have a particular Malay look in mind?
salamat
QUOTE (Crystallised Dream @ Nov 25 2009, 10:01 AM) *
Nothing specific, just the overall look. She almost looks like my Malay friend, albeit with thinner eyebrows and is slightly slimmer.

edit:
The Malay friend I am talking about, on the far left. Don't mind the watermark, it's mine.




The Malays of Malaysia have very diverse looks, they can look Indian, Arab, even Chinese, although there is always this distinct Malay look. Or do you have a particular Malay look in mind?


like an unmixed malay
Najjiah
QUOTE (Makitty @ Aug 20 2009, 08:18 AM) *


mashallah! this girl is so lovely & fresh. love her innocence.
Ralf
Look at her eyes....... looks rather intense.
nessie09
QUOTE (salamat @ Nov 26 2009, 12:22 AM) *
like an unmixed malay


I'm 100% Malay. Been told I look like a Filipina all the time when I was in Manila biggrin.gif

Here's a photo of me and my Malay friends



And here is one of me with my Filipina friends on their trip to KL.


Not so different after all, eh?
salamat
QUOTE (nessie09 @ Nov 26 2009, 11:40 AM) *
I'm 100% Malay. Been told I look like a Filipina all the time when I was in Manila biggrin.gif

Here's some photos of me and my Malay friends



And here is one of me with my Filipina friends on their trip to KL.


Not so different after all, eh?


nix the older pic i posted...found out she's half morrocan

yes ur friends look filos of malay ethnic...which is quite different from filipino of taiwanese aboriginal ethnic
nessie09
QUOTE (salamat @ Nov 27 2009, 01:25 AM) *
nix the older pic i posted...found out she's half morrocan

yes ur friends look filos of malay ethnic...which is quite different from filipino of taiwanese aboriginal ethnic


well, you are hard to please, aren't you?

My cousins
Ralf
Hi nessie09. A belated welcome to Asia Finest Forum. Hope you stick around and become a regular member.
Crystallised Dream
Yea nessie, you should contribute more when you can. Looking good in the pics by the way! And Selamat Hari Raya Haji beerchug.gif
KeepinItBaller
Not bad, not bad
SyedHussein
There's no true 100% malay in Malaysia. througout the ages, people from outside (Chinese, Indians, Arabs etc) all of them traders have decided to reside in this land, married with the locals and assimilated in local culture. the purest malay you can get is in Philipines which sit almost outside of the main east-west trading route. the rest of the malay archipelago, especially peninsula malaysia, was an ancient hub of the international trading networks. the malay history itself is full of characters with mix ancestries.
SyedHussein
QUOTE (Najjiah @ Nov 26 2009, 02:04 AM) *
mashallah! this girl is so lovely & fresh. love her innocence.


She's mine!!!! shooo!!
salamat
QUOTE (SyedHussein @ Nov 30 2009, 02:46 AM) *
There's no true 100% malay in Malaysia. througout the ages, people from outside (Chinese, Indians, Arabs etc) all of them traders have decided to reside in this land, married with the locals and assimilated in local culture. the purest malay you can get is in Philipines which sit almost outside of the main east-west trading route. the rest of the malay archipelago, especially peninsula malaysia, was an ancient hub of the international trading networks. the malay history itself is full of characters with mix ancestries.


kind of ironic that to find a pure malay u have to look outside of malaysia
trismegistos
QUOTE (SyedHussein @ Nov 30 2009, 02:46 AM) *
the purest malay you can get is in Philipines which sit almost outside of the main east-west trading route. the rest of the malay archipelago, especially peninsula malaysia, was an ancient hub of the international trading networks. the malay history itself is full of characters with mix ancestries.

These might change your point of view that the Philippines is like a No Man's Land in the middle of the ocean with no trade contacts with its neighbors:
A)
Map of Spice Routes or Maritime Silk route as verified by UNESCO:

http://www.maritimeheritage.org/ports/philippines.html
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An important factor in ascertaining the old spice routes from Southeast Asia is the trail of cloves from Maluku and the southern Philippines north to South China and Indochina and then south again along the coast to the Strait of Malacca.
From there the cloves went to India spice markets and points further west. This north-south direction of commerce through the Philippines has recently been recognized by UNESCO as part of the ancient maritime spice route. The Philippine-Maluku hub persisted into Muslim times and is chronicled in Arabic historical and geographic writings.

B)

The Laguna Coppeplate Inscription http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laguna_Copperplate_Inscription is the oldest historical document in the Philippines that dates back to 922 AD and written in ancient Kavi and in a language of mixed Old Malay, Old Tagalog, Sanskrit and Old Javanese. This document records that the ruler of Tondo, Jayadewa, carried the Hindu title Senapati or military commander and acted as supreme judge of all the lords of the nearby settlements. Among the counted allies mentioned in the document includes the Hindu Kingdom of Mataram in MEDANG, JAVA. The KING/CHIEF OF MEDANG IN JAVA was acting as a representative of the KING/CHIEF OF DEWATA OR DIWATA IN BUTUAN
Here is Morrow’s English approximation of his translation:
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Long Live! Year of Siyaka 822, month of Waisaka, according to astronomy. The fourth day of the waning moon, Monday. On this occasion, Lady Angkatan, and her brother whose name is Buka, the children of the Honourable Namwaran, were awarded a document of complete pardon from the Commander in Chief of Tundun, represented by the Lord Minister of Pailah, Jayadewa.

By this order, through the scribe, the Honourable Namwaran has been forgiven of all and is released from his debts and arrears of 1 kati and 8 suwarna before the Honourable Lord Minister of Puliran, Ka Sumuran by the authority of the Lord Minister of Pailah.

Because of his faithful service as a subject of the Chief, the Honourable and widely renowned Lord Minister of Binwangan recognized all the living relatives of Namwaran who were claimed by the Chief of Dewata, represented by the Chief of MEDANG.

Yes, therefore the living descendants of the Honourable Namwaran are forgiven, indeed, of any and all debts of the Honourable Namwaran to the Chief of DEWATA.

This, in any case, shall declare to whomever henceforth that on some future day should there be a man who claims that no release from the debt of the Honourable…



C)Gold of Ancestors and the Philippines' Hindu Past
Forgotten Philippines: Gold Of Ancestors 1 Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIwuvg_VnU

Forgotten Philippines: Gold Of Ancestors 1 Part 2 : THE SACRED THREAD AND THE KINARI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYtBVHrCK5w






An interesting ramification presented by above video link if one will reflect the status of the owner of the Sacred Thread...

which is similar to the Boxer codex
... is the owner a Sovereign of such a High Status, which will intimidate various rulers of other kingdoms in Southeast Asia if they would be standing side by side by each other. A ruler wearing a golden Sash or UPAVITA would intimade or humiliate any Majapahit and Srivijayan royalties from neighboring kingdoms. Imagine a Golden Rajah with his Gold warriours would surely outclass any royals and warriors. Is the owner of that Golden Sacred thread a Srivijayan?

The maritime thalossocracy or alliance of rajanates called by the early Chinese as Sanfotsi and by the early Arabs as Zabag which Coedes collectively called Srivijayas stemming from a Kedukan bukit inscription found near Palembang was said to have a powerful competitor in the south called Wakwak by the early Arabs or Toupo by the early chinese. Is the Butuan-Toubok(Cotobato)area fits the bill for the powerful competitior of Sanfotsi-Zabag? The Tausugs of the Sulu Sultanate were said to be originally Bisayan migrants from Butuan. The Surigao Treasures billed as Gold of Ancestors is in the area of GOLD RICH BUTUAN.

A sword hilt from the Surigao Treasure


http://www.quezon.ph/2008/05/19/our-society-looking-back/
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Philippine gold artifacts in general tend to be more elaborate and better crafted than most from West Borneo.

Harrisson looked at the Dr Arturo de Santos collection (part of which was acquired by the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas) as well, and observed that “…the range of Philippine gold jewelry…includes many pieces of a complexity and finesse that is beyond anything attempted in Borneo” in so far as what had been found at that time (Harrisson 1968: 56).

Throughout Indonesia there was a relationship between gold artifacts and the ruling aristocracy, in the class-power centers which developed on the coastal plains around the middle of the 1st millenium AD (Harrisson 1968:44). Precious metals were worked ‘exclusively in those areas where the influence of Hinduism was strongest’: he includes Java, Bali, southern Celebes and the coastal districts of Borneo. These areas developed as centers with established hierarchies, which necessitated the conspicuous display of wealth (Harrisson 1968: 47).

There was a demand for gold, which the Philippines could have supplied. It would be reasonable to suggest that one of the main sources of Javanese and Bornean gold was the Philippines.

http://www.marketmanila.com/archives/the-m...#comment-104413
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quotes Alcina, a Jesuit writing about a hundred years after Legaspi, the conquistadores of the Philippines in the 16th century:
[b]“I do remember that once when I was solemnizing a marriage of a Bisayan principala, she was so weighed down with jewelry that it caused her to stoop — to me it was close to an arroba or so (1 arroba = 25 lbs.), which was a lot of weight for a girl of twelve. Then again, I also heard it said that her grandfather had a jar full of gold which alone weighed five or six arrobas. Even this much is little in comparison to what they actually had in ancient times.”


D)Southeast Asia Geopolitics
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Controlling the Straits of Malacca

As evidenced by history, the country that succeeded in controlling the narrow strait between the Malay Peninsula and the island of Sumatra would gain complete control of China's maritime silk route and thus become a thalossocracy - a trading empire. The Srivijaya of South Sumatra did so in 670 AD, the Chola of Southeast India in 1026 AD, the Madjapahit of Java in 1343 AD, the Sultanate of Malacca in 1400 AD, and finally the Portuguese in 1512 AD.*17

When the Portuguese arrived in Southeast Asia in 1500 AD, they witnessed LUZON's active involvement in the political and economic affairs of those who sought to take control of this economically strategic highway. For instance, the former SULTAN OF MALACCA decided to retake his city from the Portuguese with a fleet of ships from LUZON in 1525 AD.*18 In 1529 AD, the Sultanate of Atjeh on the northern tip of Sumatra became powerful enough to consider controlling the Straits of Malacca. LUZON ships formed part of the Atjehnese fleet that attacked key settlements along the straits. At the same time, LUZON warriors formed part of the opposing BATAK-MENANGKABAU army that besieged Atjeh or ACEH.*19 On the mainland, LUZON warriors aided the BURMESE KING in his invasion of SIAM in 1547 AD. At the same time, LUZON warriors fought alongside the KING OF THAILAND and faced the same elephant army of the Burmese king in the defence of the Siamese capital at Ayuthaya.*20

The Portuguese were not only witnesses but also direct beneficiaries of LUZON's involvement. Many Lucoes, as the Portuguese called the people of LUZON, chose MALACCA as their base of operations because of its strategic importance. When the Portuguese finally took the MALACCA in 1512 AD, the resident Lucoes held important government posts in the former sultanate. They were also large-scale exporters and ship owners that regularly sent junks to China, Brunei, Sumatra, Siam and Sunda. One LUZON official by the name of SURYA DIRAJA annually sent 175 tons of pepper to China and had to pay the Portuguese 9000 cruzados in gold to retain his plantation. His ships became part of the first Portuguese fleet that paid an official visit to the Chinese empire in 1517 AD.

In 1591 AD, the CAMBODIAN KING Phra Unkar Langara sent a gift of two royal elephants, gems and horses to the lords of LUZON to petition them to aid him in the war against SIAM.


E)Trade Missions to China (source: http://nippihistory.hp.infoseek.co.jp/lusunghis-e.htm )
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The name Lusung(LUZON) first appeared in Chinese History in 1373 AD in the Ming Annals. In this document, Lusung was one of the first to answer the call for tribute missions to the new Ming Dynasty [1368 - 1644]. It was Brunei who first responded in 1371 AD, followed by Liuchiu in 1372, and then by Lusung in 1373 AD*11.

Despite the fact that it made its first appearance on Chinese records as late as 1373 AD, evidences suggests that the Chinese had long known the existence of LUZON as far back as the Sung Dynasty[960 - 1278 AD]. The presence of thousands of recognisable pieces of Sung and Yuan Dynasty porcelains found in ancient burial sites in the Province of Pampanga and Manila suggests an active trade with China long before the Ming period.

In the mid-1400s, the Ming Empire further limited the number of tribute missions from overseas when it did not compensate the cost of maintaining foreign embassies and entertaining foreign envoys. In 1550 AD, the Ming Empire finally put an end to overseas trade altogether.

The Ming Empire's ban on overseas trade ironically became a blessing to LUZON. The port cities in Fujian and Canton that had been profiting from overseas trade since the Sung Dynasty cannot simply end its trade relations with Southeast Asia just because the central government in Beijing does not see profit from it. Chinese ships from Fujian and Canton continue to smuggle goods out of China. They chose the port cities of Tondo and Mainila in LUZON as a drop off point. Ships from other parts of Asia, mostly Brunei and Malacca would then sail to LUZON to pick up their percentage of the Chinese goods.

I looked into the BUTUAN archealogical site, recognized by UNESCO as a world heritage site. I was impressed to learn that they not only had advanced boat making and gold crafting skills, but also traded with countries as far away as Persia.

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The finds were authenticated by the National Museum, and deeper studies by reputable archaeologists were subsequently done. The oldest Chinese ceramic ware found in Butuan were the Yueh and Yueh type ware which dated back to the Five Dynasties (A.D. 907- 960). In a quantitative survey of the ceramics discovered in Butuan, there were representative types from various Asian realms, ranked according to volume: Chinese (10th - 15th centuries A.D.); Khmer/ Cambodian (9th-10th centuries A.D.); Thai (14th - 15th centuries A.D.) pre-Thai Satingpra (900-1100 A.D.); Haripunjaya (800-900 A.D.); pre-trade Vietnamese (11th - 13th centuries A.D.), and PERSIAN (9th - 10th centuries A.D.)


http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/2071/

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the evidence of an advanced civilized Philippine society was suppressed and destroyed while we were conquered by Spain.

Sorry folks for hijacking this thread...
You can continue discussing superficial beauty. embarassedlaugh.gif
Crystallised Dream
Thank you trismegistos, you were getting a bit too deep for our shallow brains...

Anyway here's something I saw in a local magazine recently in my college. It's from the Breeze Magazine, a new lifestyle magazine for East Malaysia and Brunei that has only been launched this year. I must admit Malaysian girls are not as 'dashingly' beautiful as our Filipino and Indonesian counterparts, but I think ours is of an understated, simple beauty. Whether or not it's something the alpha male looks for is another irrelevant story altogether; anyway here are some beauties from Sabah in their traditional costumes.


Photos from Breeze Mag

The photoshoot is a tribute to the Pesta Kaamatan (Sabahan Harvest Festival).


Mandy


Ivonne


Pearl


Fiona



As you can see there are some very interesting details about the costumes in the pages; a clearer write-up of these details will be posted in the Malaysian Traditional Costumes topics one of these days.

salamat
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Thank you trismegistos, you were getting a bit too deep for our shallow brains...

Anyway here's something I saw in a local magazine recently in my college. It's from the Breeze Magazine, a new lifestyle magazine for East Malaysia and Brunei that has only been launched this year. I must admit Malaysian girls are not as 'dashingly' beautiful as our Filipino and Indonesian counterparts, but I think ours is of an understated, simple beauty. Whether or not it's something the alpha male looks for is another irrelevant story altogether; anyway here are some beauties from Sabah in their traditional costumes.


Photos from Breeze Mag

The photoshoot is a tribute to the Pesta Kaamatan (Sabahan Harvest Festival).


Mandy


Ivonne


Pearl


Fiona



As you can see there are some very interesting details about the costumes in the pages; a clearer write-up of these details will be posted in the Malaysian Traditional Costumes topics one of these days.


they r beautiful too...we r all the same race anyway...so malaysians can claim filipina beauty as their own as well
penanginheart
Mandy looks cool !
layersuck
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Airlangga
Serawakian girls so beautiful biggrin.gif
African
Really hot chics
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